RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
I used to be a neat freak, germ freak, ocd.. The cats will cure you!!
You will be healed of that condition and learn to pick up poop with your own
hands. You will learn to just 'scoot over' a bit if there's vomit on one side
of the bed. I think we could start an ocd therapy program with cats!
tonya
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is
run across my bed, romp on it and rummage in my pillow! So sometimes there are
poopy footprints left on my bed! It's so gross- and I have a multiple junky
covers I use as my top sheet to protect my actual bedsheets from getting the
Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm tired of changing it every day
after his little party on my bed! He really trashed it one time and my mom was
like, I would rather die than sleep in that bed! And I'm a
clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony!
caroline
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions. Very rare
though. Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going
to have to discuss some grooming issues. Transmission is a fecal to oral
route. So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}No. I didn't want
to give him anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon.
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures
and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what
I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone
know about this?
Caroline
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat
for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to
detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug
that does it...
On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.-
nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no
difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I
stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night
lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency
people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every
friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the
same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say:
Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every
meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?!
What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and
lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter
box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Have you tried kaopectate? Ask Dr. first, but it used to be recommended. Also
try white rice made with chicken broth. Try each one at a time so you'll know
what works. Pumpkin tends to help as well. Just mix with wet food.
tonya
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }Okay, thanks. We are not desperate
yet, but it is definitely affecting my ability to adopt him. He's getting
bigger and bigger every day and he's now a juvenile and past that adorable
teeny kitten stage that all the people seem to want. And I sometimes hold off
taking him to cat adoption because want to get the diarrhea solved, rather than
dump the problem on someone else. But then the agency people are like why
didn't you bring Yoda? and well Dr. so and so didn't find anything, so we
really need to get him in here and adopted out... (these people drive me
crazy!) and I feel sometimes like I am going crazy. Like people think I'm
making it up b/c I just want to keep Yoda or something. Which I wouldn't make
up some random diarrhea excuse if that was the case...I'd just keep him and
tell everyone to go to H*ll! I need to at least try another vet. That's
what we are going to do next week. I'll let you know what happens.
Caroline
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: diarrhea in 6 month old kitten
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:04:52 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Caroline I've been battling diarrhea for months. It began as giardia and we
used everything beginning with Panacur on down and nothing has worked. We
used a remedy, Thullium met which worked for several months
but it is back again and we in the same state that you are.
Nina has a cat (Gypsy) who eats a home prepared 'turkey mush' recipe that
cured her chronic diarrhea which
was the result of IBD. You might check with her.
I use both a homeopath and an allopathic vet and neither of them have been
able to get rid of it. Her stools are negative
too, and her diet (Whole Foods/PetGuard) is unchanged. She is Felv, and one
of the vets indicated that it could be
a result of FeLV, which I do not believe to be true. I'm in the process of
consulting another vet. If I learn anything
new, I'll let you know. Please keep us posted on Yoda. We are desperate. It
is really awful.
Jane
On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty
much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember
me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just
the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first
weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing.
We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really.
And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up
of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed
to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've
been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no
difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering
those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not
an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people
(those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin
week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If
anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm
trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and
tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?!
What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and
lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter
box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then
he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes
he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The
Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great,
his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had
a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow
pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and
goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration
issues,
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Cats are good therapy for all kinds of stuff:) Kelley On Dec 25, 2007 7:20 AM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to be a neat freak, germ freak, ocd.. The cats will cure you!! You will be healed of that condition and learn to pick up poop with your own hands. You will learn to just 'scoot over' a bit if there's vomit on one side of the bed. I think we could start an ocd therapy program with cats! tonya *Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is run across my bed, romp on it and rummage in my pillow! So sometimes there are poopy footprints left on my bed! It's so gross- and I have a multiple junky covers I use as my top sheet to protect my actual bedsheets from getting the Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm tired of changing it every day after his little party on my bed! He really trashed it one time and my mom was like, I would rather die than sleep in that bed! And I'm a clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony! caroline -- Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions. Very rare though. Untreated giardia is far more dangerous. And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going to have to discuss some grooming issues. Transmission is a fecal to oral route. So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK. *Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: No. I didn't want to give him anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon. Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone know about this? Caroline -- Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Consider tritrichomonas foetus, which is similar to giardia but requires
treatment with ronidazole. (Info at
http://www.bengalcatclub.com/downloads/HealthDIARRHEA1-06.pdf or via google.)
A lot of times, fecal tests show nothing even when something is definitely
there.
And a lot of times (thankfully) not all cats in a population are equally
susceptible, at least not all at the same time. (Thankfully because, based
upon my experience with tritrichomonas more than a year ago, if I had a lot of
cats with the same issue all at once I would have gone stark raving insane.)
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten
named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him
(Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back
then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't
been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet
ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't
remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with
probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic
Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with
Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?)
to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food
and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin
questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot.
I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda
going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!)
and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat
Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed
Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do
you think that could be it?!
What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and
lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter
box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then
he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes
he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The
Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great,
his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had
a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow
pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and
goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration
issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel
like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is
nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's
not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting
there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something?
I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that
is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In
the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with
Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer
and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the
wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended Purina
(no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the
runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so I kind of think this vet's
a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium
brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina? (plus that
means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is
underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of the best brands of food).
Has anyone heard anything like this? Has anyone had any
problems with the newer premium foods with their cats? I just wonder if Yoda
has a gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or something--
something that isn't life threatening, but still a problem that can be managed
by diet. I just wonder if the newer premium foods- with the emphasis being on
the high protein content- maybe that is harder to digest for some cats? I
switched him on Monday to
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. *Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot*- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? *I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens *(whatever the H that means?) in the day. In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. *The vet said that kitten food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. * *He recommended Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), *so* *I kind of think this vet's a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina? (plus that means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of the best brands of food). *Has anyone heard anything like this? Has anyone had any problems with the newer premium foods with their cats? * I just wonder if Yoda has a gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or something-- something that isn't life threatening, but still a problem that can be managed by diet. I just wonder if the newer premium foods- with the emphasis being on the high protein content- maybe that is harder to digest for some cats? I switched him on Monday to adult, regular wellness wet at night and he's now only getting 1/4 of a can. I haven't changed the dry food yet b/c I haven't decided what to do about that? We're status quo with the runny poo. I just don't know what to do/try and I'm so frustrated! Someone help! Caroline -- The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. Get it now!
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
I think Flaglyl for Coccidia== All these parasites are real tough to find---they require repeated fecal test as unless the sample is from a particular spot of the feces that happens to have one of the little buggers-it will go undedected.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so I kind of think this vet's a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina? (plus that means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of the best brands of food). Has anyone heard anything like this? Has anyone had any problems with the newer premium foods with their cats? I just wonder if Yoda has a gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or something-- something that isn't life threatening, but still a problem that can be managed by diet. I just
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
No. I didn't want to give him anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon. Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone know about this? Caroline Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kittenYou know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so I kind of think this vet's a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina? (plus that means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is underweight that I am rehabbing and needs
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions. Very rare though.
Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going
to have to discuss some grooming issues. Transmission is a fecal to oral
route. So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage {
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }No. I didn't want to give him
anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon.
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures
and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what
I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone
know about this?
Caroline
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat
for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to
detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug
that does it...
On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.-
nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no
difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I
stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night
lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency
people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every
friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the
same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say:
Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every
meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?!
What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and
lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter
box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then
he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes
he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The
Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great,
his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had
a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow
pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and
goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration
issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel
like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is
nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's
not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting
there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something?
I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that
is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In
the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with
Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is run across my bed, romp on it and rummage in my pillow! So sometimes there are poopy footprints left on my bed! It's so gross- and I have a multiple junky covers I use as my top sheet to protect my actual bedsheets from getting the Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm tired of changing it every day after his little party on my bed! He really trashed it one time and my mom was like, I would rather die than sleep in that bed! And I'm a clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony! caroline Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kittenTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions. Very rare though. Untreated giardia is far more dangerous. And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going to have to discuss some grooming issues. Transmission is a fecal to oral route. So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. I didn't want to give him anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon. Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone know about this? Caroline Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kittenYou know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Yep, treat that boy! I'd go with ronidazole rather than flagyl/metronidazole.
Ronidazole will treat giardia and tritrich.
What dosage of metronidazole was he previously on and for how long? Don't
count on fecal tests to be accurate. They really aren't especially in the
early stages.
A cat with chronic diarrhea needs to be treated. Otherwise it can damage the
anal sphincter and the cat has a lifelong incontinence issue.
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage {
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is
run across my bed, romp on it and rummage in my pillow! So sometimes there are
poopy footprints left on my bed! It's so gross- and I have a multiple junky
covers I use as my top sheet to protect my actual bedsheets from getting the
Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm tired of changing it every day
after his little party on my bed! He really trashed it one time and my mom was
like, I would rather die than sleep in that bed! And I'm a
clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony!
caroline
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions. Very rare
though. Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going
to have to discuss some grooming issues. Transmission is a fecal to oral
route. So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass
EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}No. I didn't want
to give him anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon.
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures
and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what
I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone
know about this?
Caroline
-
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat
for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to
detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug
that does it...
On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.-
nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no
difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I
stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night
lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency
people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every
friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the
same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say:
Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every
meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?!
What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda
butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled
with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they
don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's
healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and
lean
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Caroline I've been battling diarrhea for months. It began as giardia and we used everything beginning with Panacur on down and nothing has worked. We used a remedy, Thullium met which worked for several months but it is back again and we in the same state that you are. Nina has a cat (Gypsy) who eats a home prepared 'turkey mush' recipe that cured her chronic diarrhea which was the result of IBD. You might check with her. I use both a homeopath and an allopathic vet and neither of them have been able to get rid of it. Her stools are negative too, and her diet (Whole Foods/PetGuard) is unchanged. She is Felv, and one of the vets indicated that it could be a result of FeLV, which I do not believe to be true. I'm in the process of consulting another vet. If I learn anything new, I'll let you know. Please keep us posted on Yoda. We are desperate. It is really awful. Jane On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/ c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended Purina (no, I'm not kidding-- my mom and I would have laughed, but we're tired of the runny poo, so it's not as funny as it should be), so I kind of think this vet's a quack at this point (for this an other reasons) and with all the premium brands on the market, why in the world would I feed him Purina? (plus that means I'd have to switch over two other cats who eat with Yoda- one who is underweight that I am rehabbing and needs the best of the best brands of food). Has anyone heard anything like this? Has anyone had any problems with the newer premium foods with their cats? I just wonder if Yoda has a gastrointestinal problem like IBS, UC or even Crohns or
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
I had a calico Persian kitty (Priscilla) who when I got her was just a kitten (she passed away at age 15 last year) and had the same kind of diarrhea problem when she first came to live with me--while otherwise perfectly healthy. When I switched her to Max Cat, it immediately went away and she never had diarrhea again in her entire life. Other kitties I have had with diarrhea but not as persistent - I have given kaopectate and/or Immodium AD (with my vet's concurrence) with good success. - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten Caroline I've been battling diarrhea for months. It began as giardia and we used everything beginning with Panacur on down and nothing has worked. We used a remedy, Thullium met which worked for several months but it is back again and we in the same state that you are. Nina has a cat (Gypsy) who eats a home prepared 'turkey mush' recipe that cured her chronic diarrhea which was the result of IBD. You might check with her. I use both a homeopath and an allopathic vet and neither of them have been able to get rid of it. Her stools are negative too, and her diet (Whole Foods/PetGuard) is unchanged. She is Felv, and one of the vets indicated that it could be a result of FeLV, which I do not believe to be true. I'm in the process of consulting another vet. If I learn anything new, I'll let you know. Please keep us posted on Yoda. We are desperate. It is really awful. Jane On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in the day. In the evening, he gets half a can of the small can of Wellness kitten with Brewer's Yeast and Lysine added. The vet said that kitten food can be richer and to try switching him to adult cat food- maybe all dry b/c he thinks the wet, with the extra moisture can contribute to diarrhea. He recommended Purina (no, I'm
RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Okay, thanks. We are not desperate yet, but it is definitely affecting my ability to adopt him. He's getting bigger and bigger every day and he's now a juvenile and past that adorable teeny kitten stage that all the people seem to want. And I sometimes hold off taking him to cat adoption because want to get the diarrhea solved, rather than dump the problem on someone else. But then the agency people are like why didn't you bring Yoda? and well Dr. so and so didn't find anything, so we really need to get him in here and adopted out... (these people drive me crazy!) and I feel sometimes like I am going crazy. Like people think I'm making it up b/c I just want to keep Yoda or something. Which I wouldn't make up some random diarrhea excuse if that was the case...I'd just keep him and tell everyone to go to H*ll! I need to at least try another vet. That's what we are going to do next week. I'll let you know what happens. Caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: OT: diarrhea in 6 month old kittenDate: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:04:52 -0500To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been battling diarrhea for months. It began as giardia and we used everything beginning with Panacur on down and nothing has worked. We used a remedy, Thullium met which worked for several months but it is back again and we in the same state that you are. Nina has a cat (Gypsy) who eats a home prepared 'turkey mush' recipe that cured her chronic diarrhea which was the result of IBD. You might check with her. I use both a homeopath and an allopathic vet and neither of them have been able to get rid of it. Her stools are negative too, and her diet (Whole Foods/PetGuard) is unchanged. She is Felv, and one of the vets indicated that it could be a result of FeLV, which I do not believe to be true. I'm in the process of consulting another vet. If I learn anything new, I'll let you know. Please keep us posted on Yoda. We are desperate. It is really awful. Jane On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out like nothing happened! But it smells horrible and sometimes he can't help but getting it on him and we're all just really tired of it! The Vet said he looked great- which I already knew- and his hydration was great, his temp was fine, etc. But I'm not crazy! He's having this diarrhea! He had a whole puddle of it last night in the litter box! Sometimes it more cow pie-like, so that is why I say it comes and goes. It's obviously not sustained diarrhea or else he would have hydration issues, which he doesn't. But I really want to solve this problem and I feel like I'm at a loss. Yoda also seems to pass gas a lot- especially when he is nervous- like when we go to the cat adoption day-- he kind of smells and it's not his fur b/c I kitty wet wipe him before each adoption day- it's him sitting there nervously passing gas like he has IBS or something? I've been feeding Yoda kitten food- the Eagle Pack Holistic Chicken flavor that is for adult cats and kittens (whatever the H that means?) in
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Just a suggestion, have you ever tried a raw diet? I feed raw, and one thing I've read many times, is that cats with chronic IBD often develop normal poo when fully switched to raw. - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is run across my bed, romp on it and rummage in my pillow! So sometimes there are poopy footprints left on my bed! It's so gross- and I have a multiple junky covers I use as my top sheet to protect my actual bedsheets from getting the Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm tired of changing it every day after his little party on my bed! He really trashed it one time and my mom was like, I would rather die than sleep in that bed! And I'm a clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony! caroline Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions. Very rare though. Untreated giardia is far more dangerous. And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going to have to discuss some grooming issues. Transmission is a fecal to oral route. So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK. Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. I didn't want to give him anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon. Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone know about this? Caroline Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug that does it... On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.- nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say: Yeah, I'm trying this new thing were I feed Yoda something different for every meal...and tons of table scraps! Why? Do you think that could be it?! What else? Oh, I took him back to the vet this Monday so they had the Yoda butt to really test for giardia- which I knew it wasn't b/c Yoda is mingled with other fosters and personal cats and they would all have it by now and they don't, but just in case...They did another fecal-- nothing. And I know he's healthy-- he looks like a little greyhound he's so healthy- he's all muscle and lean and just doing wonderful. He never feels bad, but he'll go in the litter box and I will hear these horrible diarrhea, squirty sounds (sorry!) and then he just comes out
Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten (Questions for Caroline)
Please do not assume IBD. That's basically a default diagnosis when nothing
else makes sense.
1. How long was he on metronidazole and at what dosage?
2. Has your vet considered tritrichomonas foetus and treatment with
ronidazole? (Tritrich is really pretty common. Until recently however it was
often mistaken as metronidazole-resistant giardia. So don't rule it out as
some rare bug.)
Parasites are very likely. Fecal tests have been estimated at around 50%
accurate. Sometimes you have to treat the symptoms even when the cause is not
certain.
C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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diet? I feed raw, and one thing I've read many times, is that cats with
chronic IBD often develop normal poo when fully switched to raw.
- Original Message -
From: Caroline Kaufmann
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
Well, Yoda's favorite thing to do is run across my bed, romp on it and rummage
in my pillow! So sometimes there are poopy footprints left on my bed! It's so
gross- and I have a multiple junky covers I use as my top sheet to protect my
actual bedsheets from getting the Yoda-prints...but still, it's gross and I'm
tired of changing it every day after his little party on my bed! He really
trashed it one time and my mom was like, I would rather die than sleep in that
bed! And I'm a clean-freak/germaphobe-- that's the irony!
caroline
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:06 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Metronidazole can in very rare instances cause convulsions. Very rare
though. Untreated giardia is far more dangerous.
And, uh, Caroline, if you ever catch giardia from a foster kitty, we're going
to have to discuss some grooming issues. Transmission is a fecal to oral
route. So don't take playing mamma cat too literally and you should be OK.
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}No. I didn't want
to give him anything that he didn't need. But I do have access to Albon.
Incidentally, one of the other fosters told me on Sat.- when I was complaining
about Yoda's on going saga- that some of her cats- or a litter that was
recently adopted, not sure which, just tested positive for giardia, but they
haven't treated yet b/c the vet said that the drug for it can cause seizures
and that scared her to death. This is another one of those this is just what
I heard. But she wanted to know if Yoda tested pos for giardia (which he
didn't and I'm sure he doesn't have- it's a Yoda-specific problem and if he had
had giardia, I'd have it by now!), b/c she wanted to know what I decided to do
b/c the vet really freaked her out about treating the cats for giardia. Anyone
know about this?
Caroline
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:14 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: diarreah in 6 month old kitten
You know - has he been treated for coccidia? A lot of times my vet will treat
for coccidia even if nothing shows up on the fecal, because it is so hard to
detect. Metronidazole doesn't cure coccidia...Albon or there is a new drug
that does it...
On Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a 6 month old non-felv kitten named Yoda that has had diarrhea
pretty much off and on ever since I've had him (Labor Day). Some of you may
remember me asking you about Yoda's diarrhea back then (at first I thought it
was just the antibiotic for his URI, but he hasn't been on an antibiotic since
the first weeks of Sept., so that is out). The vet ran a fecal back in Oct.-
nothing. We treated with metro...zole (can't remember the name)-- no
difference really. And I have treated him with probiotics just for H of it- I
used a whole can up of the Eagle Pack Holistic Remedy for Diarreah (added to
his food)- it seemed to make no difference with Yoda, so when it ran out, I
stopped using it. I've been adding benebac (sp?) to his wet food at night
lately- again, no difference. Don't ask about food and diet changes-- I'm so
TIRED of answering those friggin questions-- I mean, this isn't my first time
up to bat-- I'm not an idiot. I'm tired of the adoption agency
people (those that have to approve Yoda going to the vet) asking me every
friggin week about diet changes (um, none!) and the vet's office asking the
same. If anyone asks this on Sat. at Cat Adoption Day, I'm going to say
