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Ha ha, Susan, those scientists are probably Dog People! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 19, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: I am certain that cats can taste sweets and that some cats actually have a sweet tooth. I've had a few who had a definite preference for sugary things. The scientists who claim otherwise should live with more cats. Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Tigger likes donuts. He gets a small taste every now and again. I was very surprised when he took a bite right out of the mini-donut I had in my hand! Gina Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 3 Orange Boyz will try anything! Muffins are a great favorite and since they are not supposed to like sweet things I assume it's the texture. And doughnut holes! Although, I have to say, I don't think those scientists know everything. Maybe some kitties DO enjoy sweet things! Also, my cat Jack used to gaze at himself in the mirror--it was just so neat! And one evening I was snacking on prunes and that's when I discovered that Billi Bi my tuxedo boy runs off with the plastic lid. He looks so funny going down the hall with that big yellow lid in his mouth! The first time he walked around with it he misjudged it's width and bumped into the doorframe! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:55 PM, Belinda wrote: That seems to be true for the most part because those I've had since kittenhood have had a greater variety in their diet, including human food and Joey being one will eat just about anything, he is not picky at all. My others I got as strays with unknown past histories, some will eat a variety and some will not, they will eat one or two things and that is it!! i was just fascinated by the part about cats, as a species, imprinting on food and non-food when very young. makes so much sense in terms of those who will kill for human food while others couldn't care less, and how difficult it is to change their diets. i'm hoping that one of the books will go into that aspect more fully.. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com Visit my Tigger Tales site! Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
My Tigger likes donuts. He gets a small taste every now and again. I was very surprised when he took a bite right out of the mini-donut I had in my hand! Gina Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 3 Orange Boyz will try anything! Muffins are a great favorite and since they are not supposed to like sweet things I assume it's the texture. And doughnut holes! Although, I have to say, I don't think those scientists know everything. Maybe some kitties DO enjoy sweet things! Also, my cat Jack used to gaze at himself in the mirror--it was just so neat! And one evening I was snacking on prunes and that's when I discovered that Billi Bi my tuxedo boy runs off with the plastic lid. He looks so funny going down the hall with that big yellow lid in his mouth! The first time he walked around with it he misjudged it's width and bumped into the doorframe! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:55 PM, Belinda wrote: That seems to be true for the most part because those I've had since kittenhood have had a greater variety in their diet, including human food and Joey being one will eat just about anything, he is not picky at all. My others I got as strays with unknown past histories, some will eat a variety and some will not, they will eat one or two things and that is it!! i was just fascinated by the part about cats, as a species, imprinting on food and non-food when very young. makes so much sense in terms of those who will kill for human food while others couldn't care less, and how difficult it is to change their diets. i'm hoping that one of the books will go into that aspect more fully.. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
I am certain that cats can taste sweets and that some cats actually have a sweet tooth. I've had a few who had a definite preference for sugary things. The scientists who claim otherwise should live with more cats. Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:My Tigger likes donuts. He gets a small taste every now and again. I was very surprised when he took a bite right out of the mini-donut I had in my hand! Gina Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 3 Orange Boyz will try anything! Muffins are a great favorite and since they are not supposed to like sweet things I assume it's the texture. And doughnut holes! Although, I have to say, I don't think those scientists know everything. Maybe some kitties DO enjoy sweet things! Also, my cat Jack used to gaze at himself in the mirror--it was just so neat! And one evening I was snacking on prunes and that's when I discovered that Billi Bi my tuxedo boy runs off with the plastic lid. He looks so funny going down the hall with that big yellow lid in his mouth! The first time he walked around with it he misjudged it's width and bumped into the doorframe! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:55 PM, Belinda wrote: That seems to be true for the most part because those I've had since kittenhood have had a greater variety in their diet, including human food and Joey being one will eat just about anything, he is not picky at all. My others I got as strays with unknown past histories, some will eat a variety and some will not, they will eat one or two things and that is it!! i was just fascinated by the part about cats, as a species, imprinting on food and non-food when very young. makes so much sense in terms of those who will kill for human food while others couldn't care less, and how difficult it is to change their diets. i'm hoping that one of the books will go into that aspect more fully.. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
Have you tried mixing some ground turkey or turkey thigh meat with the chicken? Dixie seems to like the thighs better than the breast. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:45 AM Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. Wish my guys liked turkey but they really don't, they like chicken so that's what I get. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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No actually I usually do one or the other, will have to give that a try. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
i was just fascinated by the part about cats, as a species, imprinting on food and non-food when very young. makes so much sense in terms of those who will kill for human food while others couldn't care less, and how difficult it is to change their diets. i'm hoping that one of the books will go into that aspect more fully.. On 4/18/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No actually I usually do one or the other, will have to give that a try. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Yay! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 18, 2007, at 12:37 AM, Belinda wrote: I will post some of the recipes when I get the book. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
The 3 Orange Boyz will try anything! Muffins are a great favorite and since they are not supposed to like sweet things I assume it's the texture. And doughnut holes! Although, I have to say, I don't think those scientists know everything. Maybe some kitties DO enjoy sweet things! Also, my cat Jack used to gaze at himself in the mirror--it was just so neat! And one evening I was snacking on prunes and that's when I discovered that Billi Bi my tuxedo boy runs off with the plastic lid. He looks so funny going down the hall with that big yellow lid in his mouth! The first time he walked around with it he misjudged it's width and bumped into the doorframe! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:55 PM, Belinda wrote: That seems to be true for the most part because those I've had since kittenhood have had a greater variety in their diet, including human food and Joey being one will eat just about anything, he is not picky at all. My others I got as strays with unknown past histories, some will eat a variety and some will not, they will eat one or two things and that is it!! i was just fascinated by the part about cats, as a species, imprinting on food and non-food when very young. makes so much sense in terms of those who will kill for human food while others couldn't care less, and how difficult it is to change their diets. i'm hoping that one of the books will go into that aspect more fully.. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly cheap but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the pitcairn book until the first or second week of May and the other the end of April. I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually switch the others, right now I just want to get Fred eating enough, he's my CRF guy. My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh him each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining, maintaining or losing. So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the 16th. He doesn't look like it he is so bony. Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food as soon as possible. I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their food has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are very texture oriented. But the right vitamins and minerals they need is where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books, plus to get a little variety in their diet. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Good luck! Kitties can be sooo fussy--which is why we LOVE them! I still have not found the correct mix of vities, mins and other goodies cats must have so when you find out. . . . . Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Belinda wrote: I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly cheap but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the pitcairn book until the first or second week of May and the other the end of April. I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually switch the others, right now I just want to get Fred eating enough, he's my CRF guy. My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh him each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining, maintaining or losing. So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the 16th. He doesn't look like it he is so bony. Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food as soon as possible. I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their food has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are very texture oriented. But the right vitamins and minerals they need is where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books, plus to get a little variety in their diet. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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What about a single source protein, like turkey or chicken, and a separate vitamin/mineral supplement. Most of mine will kill you to get at roast bird of any sort. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck! Kitties can be sooo fussy--which is why we LOVE them! I still have not found the correct mix of vities, mins and other goodies cats must have so when you find out. . . . . Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Belinda wrote: I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly cheap but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the pitcairn book until the first or second week of May and the other the end of April. I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually switch the others, right now I just want to get Fred eating enough, he's my CRF guy. My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh him each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining, maintaining or losing. So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the 16th. He doesn't look like it he is so bony. Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food as soon as possible. I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their food has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are very texture oriented. But the right vitamins and minerals they need is where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books, plus to get a little variety in their diet. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Mine average one such meal a day and two meals of commercial catfood. Wish turkey was as cheap yearround as it is around Thanksgiving. I could afford to increase the shredded deboned turkey and decrease the catfood. It seems like every day something new lands on the recall/contaminated list. Now that Natural Balance, which does not even contain wheat gluten, has been recalled, it feels like nothing is safe. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, absolutely! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: What about a single source protein, like turkey or chicken, and a separate vitamin/mineral supplement. Most of mine will kill you to get at roast bird of any sort. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck! Kitties can be sooo fussy--which is why we LOVE them! I still have not found the correct mix of vities, mins and other goodies cats must have so when you find out. . . . . Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Belinda wrote: I just ordered both of those books on Amazon.com it was exactly cheap but they are getting hard to find, as it is I won't get the pitcairn book until the first or second week of May and the other the end of April. I've been cooking for Fred and will gradually switch the others, right now I just want to get Fred eating enough, he's my CRF guy. My vet is still fighting me on the feeding tube, I'm going to weigh him each day until the 25 and then we'll see if he's gaining, maintaining or losing. So far he gained an oz from the 15th to the 16th. He doesn't look like it he is so bony. Wish me luck, my guys are having a hard time giving up their Fancy Feast, I'm so worried and want to get them off any processed food as soon as possible. I've got the texture stuff pretty well figured out, because their food has to have the same texture as their Fancy feast, my guys are very texture oriented. But the right vitamins and minerals they need is where I'm having problems, that's why I ordered the books, plus to get a little variety in their diet. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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I will post some of the recipes when I get the book. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Good idea. Consider adding a bit of mashed potatoes to the liquid mix to provide a gravy. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Wish my guys liked turkey but they really don't, they like chicken so that's what I get. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.howl911.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
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Pitcairn has a book out (available at Amazon.com) that has recipes as do several other people (same source). I've started doing a lot of cooking for Dixie Louise. She isn't really fond of the change but will get used to it. A can of mackerel runs about $1 a pound and chicken and turkey can be had on sale. Even beef gets thrown in. I started figuring the per pound cost of cat food vs the ingredients and I'm not sure there is a lot of difference. Then I have one cat and 3 ferals + whoever shows up). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:12 AM Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.howl911.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
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i've got a copy of dr pitcairn's book (newest is the 3rd edition) on order, as well as a used copy of donald strombeck's. those are the two that my source highly recommends--but the strombeck one is a veterinary textbook and very pricey unless you look around. (it says it has 210 recipes in it, tho, so they won't get bored!) On 4/11/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pitcairn has a book out (available at Amazon.com) that has recipes as do several other people (same source). I've started doing a lot of cooking for Dixie Louise. She isn't really fond of the change but will get used to it. A can of mackerel runs about $1 a pound and chicken and turkey can be had on sale. Even beef gets thrown in. I started figuring the per pound cost of cat food vs the ingredients and I'm not sure there is a lot of difference. Then I have one cat and 3 ferals + whoever shows up). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:12 AM Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.howl911.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Where did you find it? I don't mind checking the (one) grocery regularly for sales on meat (right now I am fixing sirloin steak for her--the last day they could market it so it is very affordable) but I am concerned about the needed add ins. I am putting Just Born and Transfer Factor Feline Complete into some of her food but..well, you know the concerns. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:35 AM Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. i've got a copy of dr pitcairn's book (newest is the 3rd edition) on order, as well as a used copy of donald strombeck's. those are the two that my source highly recommends--but the strombeck one is a veterinary textbook and very pricey unless you look around. (it says it has 210 recipes in it, tho, so they won't get bored!) On 4/11/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pitcairn has a book out (available at Amazon.com) that has recipes as do several other people (same source). I've started doing a lot of cooking for Dixie Louise. She isn't really fond of the change but will get used to it. A can of mackerel runs about $1 a pound and chicken and turkey can be had on sale. Even beef gets thrown in. I started figuring the per pound cost of cat food vs the ingredients and I'm not sure there is a lot of difference. Then I have one cat and 3 ferals + whoever shows up). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:12 AM Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.howl911.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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i just did a search for donald strombeck, and actually found a deal where you could get both the 3rd edition of pitcairn AND strombeck for less than what a lot of used bookstores have strombeck alone for. um, i think it was amazon.com-- i don't have a credit card, so i sent the link to a friend who loves me enough to order it for me so i don't remember the details? (but will probably make up food for her to take home whenever she visits!) On 4/11/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where did you find it? I don't mind checking the (one) grocery regularly for sales on meat (right now I am fixing sirloin steak for her--the last day they could market it so it is very affordable) but I am concerned about the needed add ins. I am putting Just Born and Transfer Factor Feline Complete into some of her food but..well, you know the concerns. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:35 AM *Subject:* Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. i've got a copy of dr pitcairn's book (newest is the 3rd edition) on order, as well as a used copy of donald strombeck's. those are the two that my source highly recommends--but the strombeck one is a veterinary textbook and very pricey unless you look around. (it says it has 210 recipes in it, tho, so they won't get bored!) On 4/11/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pitcairn has a book out (available at Amazon.com) that has recipes as do several other people (same source). I've started doing a lot of cooking for Dixie Louise. She isn't really fond of the change but will get used to it. A can of mackerel runs about $1 a pound and chicken and turkey can be had on sale. Even beef gets thrown in. I started figuring the per pound cost of cat food vs the ingredients and I'm not sure there is a lot of difference. Then I have one cat and 3 ferals + whoever shows up). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:12 AM Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.howl911.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
www.howl911.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I have a couple of those.. its very difficult to pill a cat anyway what I do with those a difficult cat is to, first crush pill and mix it in a small amount of the baby food and put the baby food (with crushed pill) in a syringe and squirt in their mouth.. it works pretty well they usually dont spit back either as the baby food covers the taste of the medicine. you just have to be careful to direct into the side pocket of their mouth and not directly to throat.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sigh... I don't know. I've rescued lots and lots of cats over the years, plus worked at the shelter, and pilled hundreds and hundreds. BUT, I have one cat, Popeye, that I've discussed on here before, that I absolutely cannot pill. He is in my face all the time. I can't sit down without him laying on me. I can't talk on the phone without including him in the conversation, etc Definitely not a scaredy cat or mean cat. But he clamps down his mouth and I can't hold it open. There are sharp teeth in there. And he scratches and KICKS at me with all 4 paws. I've tried everything. If I give ANOTHER cat some medicine in a treat or some wet food he wants it. But if I put his medicine in a treat or wet food he won't touch it. If by some miracle I do get the pill in I will hold his mouth closed for a while, but eventually I will find the pill spit back out! How do you hold a cat's mouth open when he is trying to bite you!? t Dudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle, That's genius. Will definitely keep that one tucked away for future reference. Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Sigh... I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I do to pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat supplement. Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get behind the cat and hold the cat with one hand, while with the other opening the cat's mouth. With the hand opening the cat's mouth, use one finger to hold the lower jaw down so the cat cannot close the mouth and then with the finger that has the goo/pill on it stick the gob on the back of the tongue or down the throat. This always works for me, even with cats hard to pill. Another version is to cut the tip off a 1 cc or 3 cc plastic syringe so it has a wide opening, suck up some Nutrical or other goo in it, stick the pill in that, and use the syringe like a piller to pop the pill and goo down the cat's throat. Michelle
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I will most certainly give it a try!Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I have a couple of those.. its very difficult to pill a cat anyway what I do with those a difficult cat is to, first crush pill and mix it in a small amount of the baby food and put the baby food (with crushed pill) in a syringe and squirt in their mouth.. it works pretty well they usually dont spit back either as the baby food covers the taste of the medicine. you just have to be careful to direct into the side pocket of their mouth and not directly to throat.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:41 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sigh... I don't know. I've rescued lots and lots of cats over the years, plus worked at the shelter, and pilled hundreds and hundreds. BUT, I have one cat, Popeye, that I've discussed on here before, that I absolutely cannot pill.He is in my face all the time. I can't sit down without him laying on me. I can't talk on the phone without including him in the conversation, etc Definitely not a scaredy cat or mean cat. But he clamps down his mouth and I can't hold it open. There are sharp teeth in there. And he scratches and KICKS at me with all 4 paws. I've tried everything. If I give ANOTHER cat some medicine in a treat or some wet food he wants it. But if I put his medicine in a treat or wet food he won't touch it.If by some miracle I do get the pill in I will hold his mouth closed for a while, but eventually I will find the pill spit back out!How do you hold a cat's mouth open when he is trying to bite you!?tDudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle,That's genius. Will definitely keep that one tucked away for future reference. Sandy- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:35 AMSubject: Re: Sigh...I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I do to pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat supplement. Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get behind the cat and hold the cat with one hand, while with the other opening the cat's mouth. With the hand opening the cat's mouth, use one finger to hold the lower jaw down so the cat cannot close the mouth and then with the finger that has the goo/pill on it stick the gob on the back of the tongue or down the throat. This always works for me, even with cats hard to pill. Another version is to cut the tip off a 1 cc or 3 cc plastic syringe so it has a wide opening, suck up some Nutrical or other goo in it, stick the pill in that, and use the syringe like a piller to pop the pill and goo down the cat's throat.Michelle
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I don't know. I've rescued lots and lots of cats over the years, plus worked at the shelter, and pilled hundreds and hundreds. BUT, I have one cat, Popeye, that I've discussed on here before, that I absolutely cannot pill.He is in my face all the time. I can't sit down without him laying on me. I can't talk on the phone without including him in the conversation, etc Definitely not a scaredy cat or mean cat. But he clamps down his mouth and I can't hold it open. There are sharp teeth in there. And he scratches and KICKS at me with all 4 paws. I've tried everything. If I give ANOTHER cat some medicine in a treat or some wet food he wants it. But if I put his medicine in a treat or wet food he won't touch it.If by some miracle I do get the pill in I will hold his mouth closed for a while, but eventually I will find the pill spit back out! How do you hold a cat's mouth open when he is trying to bite you!? tDudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle, That's genius. Will definitely keep that one tucked away for future reference. Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Sigh...I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I do to pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat supplement. Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get behind the cat and hold the cat with one hand, while with the other opening the cat's mouth. With the hand opening the cat's mouth, use one finger to hold the lower jaw down so the cat cannot close the mouth and then with the finger that has the goo/pill on it stick the gob on the back of the tongue or down the throat. This always works for me, even with cats hard to pill. Another version is to cut the tip off a 1 cc or 3 cc plastic syringe so it has a wide opening, suck up some Nutrical or other goo in it, stick the pill in that, and use the syringe like a piller to pop the pill and goo down the cat's throat. Michelle
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Patti, Even though we have never actually corresponded on the list before personally, I just wanted to let you know that I ALWAYS make a point to read your posts. (Been reading your FeLVTALK posts for three (3) years now.) Despite all of bitterness, burn-out, or ranting that you may do, I seriously admire you for what you have to say. You tell it like it is, without candy-coating the truth. (And although the truth may not be pretty, at least you are brave enough to speak it aloud!) You know SO much about EVERYthing that I have been trying to educate people about here locally i.e. breeder mills, spay/neuter advocacy, animal cruelty (misdemeanors that SHOULD be Class A felonies), veganism, not to mention several feline diseases/treatments, just to name a few! I wish I had the honor of knowing YOU years ago before your burn-out set in. (It happens to the best of us.) And I wish we actually had the opportunity to meet. For years now, I have been on my own with these views that not only society looks down upon, but my family as well! It is a breath of fresh air to hear you (and the other members) sharing the exact same views! I just wish there were more of us. Unfortunately, our voices are not yet loud enough to be heard, but they WILL be...some day. What you refer to a BYB (Back-Yard-Breeders) is called Hobby Breeding via the USDA when dealing with exotic Sugar Gliders. Please do not let the fancy USDA license mislead you, there is NO difference in BYB and Hobby breeding. The license just makes it legal NOT right! It is SO sad to hear (and KNOW) that there are inexperienced, incompetent and irresponsible human beings that are too lazy to work, thus resort to making a fast buck via breeding cats, dogs, exotics, horses, etc.! My mom has aggravated me for years about breeding my rescue sugar gliders due to their rarity and financial value, but ANYone lazy and stupid enough to make money off ANY innocent animal is no better than pumping out babies for the financial gain of the welfare-system! Parents making dollars off of their kids is sick, but alleged responsible pet-guardians who make money off of their PETS is even sicker! What kind of person can exploit innocent souls that way? You might as well be human trafficking i.e. mail-order-brides, child prostitution, etc. your own family member for there is NO difference! I do not apologize. You absolutely CANNOT advocate proper spay/neuter for some animals and then turn around and breed others! Not only is it hypercritical, it is immoral! So many queens and runts of the little die of birthing complications and yet their owners just stand there and let the animal suffer! What do the breeders do? They breed MORE queens to replace the ones who are worn out and sell THOSE babies to make up for the ones who died! GAG! PUKE! It is NO life for ANY animal! The poor souls who DO die get off easy. God, rest their souls! It is hell-on-earth for the ones who are fortunate to survive...if you can ever call a breeder-mill baby fortuante. Have you ever seen a queen who was physically used up from breeding? I pray that you never have to. Thank you SO much for sharing. Lora --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, I don't ever see an end to breeding. You have these high profile dog/cat shows. The reputable (choke, choke - ) breeders, only in it for the betterment of the breed. All the $$$'s involved. Very sad. Then you have the BYB's and the millers. Very sad. No, it's not going to end in my lifetime. (I hate to be such a pessimist, BUT I've seen too much, and what I've seen, I hate.) Gosh, I wish I'd known you 2 years ago, MC. Actually, it's only a few days past the 2 year mark since our shelter acquired a total of 34 persians. One breeder busted for neglect, 21 cats seized. One person, presumed to have been a chickensh*t breeder, dumped 13 persians in the woods surrounding a shelter volunteers' house! (Yeah, those cats did real well in snow covered woods with temperatures below freezing!!) Never knew too much about the breed til then. Poor things, we lost 4 immediately, and later lost 6 more. Serious health issues that had never been addressed. Females, geriatric, that had been used as baby machines their entire lives!! What a mess! These breeders/BYBs/Millers look at this as a means of making $$$s off the flesh blood of poor, innocent creatures. With the way most laws are written, they get a slap on the hand, pay a measly fine and then proceed to set up shop somewhere again. I know only too well. I am right next door to Lancaster, Pa. and the blood-sucking Amish and their puppy mills. Grr! (It's no surprise I feel totally burnt out after all these years, yes, and a wee bit bitter.) Patti __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
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Rebecca, I don't say much but read the emails. Guess you might say I lurk alittle bit...LOL If the last resort is taking your baby in to the Vet getting pilled or whatnot then do it. You could arrange for it certain times of the day for them to do it. Like the Vet Techs or Vet Assistants can do it to keep the stress down on you some are very good about doing it. That way you wouldn't have to do it. All you have to do is put him in the carrier and off you go. Cats feel the stress from you when they are being butts...so it makes matters worse. I don't know how far you are from them but it sounds like this is the only option for you unless you board the kitty. I have done this myself. I have a kitty that will fight you tooth and nail myself, he is the only oneout of 10 that I owned. My others are okay with it but him. He is a "Demon" he can be your worse nightmare. So I pray and hope that he doesn't get sick when the others do. Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
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also see if you could hire one of the vet assistants to come over and medicate poor kitty some of my friends have done that for pilling and doing sub-qs. there might be folks in local rescue groups who could help out, too. i truly have found that most don't mind injectibles at all; i think the idea of the transdermal gel is an excellent suggestion--i've never done it, but certainly would if need be. as i said, i've gotten incredibly good at pilling even the most difficult cases, but that was from lots of practice at the sanctuary--and seriously STUDYING how the sanctuary director was able to do it so successfully. it was always terribly depressing to walk into a room of 100 cats and have them all run away at medication time--but lots of good exercise! (i repeat my earlier comment, tho, that persians are the hardest to medicate. luckily, as they get older, they tend to fight less--and they don't run as fast as some others, either) -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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not all persians are so badly bred, but way too many are but their personalities are so wonderful. sadly, the one good thing about loving persians is that there are ALWAYS more than enough of them in rescue, so i will never have to be without one in my life. (one? yeah, i can't remember how far back it was that i only had one persian!) i STILL think they're incredibly funny-looking, but in such an endearing way On 11/29/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, MC is right, if you ever want a challenge, try pilling a Persian! They don't have mouths, they have little cracks in the front of their heads which somehow is able to suffice as an orifice to get food into their bodies. Those two I had here for a while in rescue were a totally new experience. I used to love Persians (the look of them) before I had one, now I view them as deformed creatures built by humans in a way that pleases humans but is not the best design for the cats themselves. Their little mouth crack opens only about 3/4 an inch, they constantly struggle to breathe right, and they are known as a breed that commonly has heart murmurs. One of the two I had had a grade5 murmur, and died from it. I will never support the breeding of that breed now, miserable little deformities is what they are! I can't understand why we humans find so much happiness in building animals that can't even function normally. It baffles me. Stupid stupid stupid us! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/186 - Release Date: 11/29/2005 -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I didn't know humans created the Persian??? Were they created by breeding a Pug with a long haired cat? No seriously...how did Persians come about? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, MC is right, if you ever want a challenge, try pilling a Persian! They don't have mouths, they have little cracks in the front of their heads which somehow is able to suffice as an orifice to get food into their bodies. Those two I had here for a while in rescue were a totally new experience. I used to love Persians (the look of them) before I had one, now I view them as deformed creatures built by humans in a way that pleases humans but is not the best design for the cats themselves. Their little mouth crack opens only about 3/4 an inch, they constantly struggle to breathe right, and they are known as a breed that commonly has heart murmurs. One of the two I had had a grade5 murmur, and died from it. I will never support the breeding of that breed now, miserable little deformities is what they are! I can't understand why we humans find so much happiness in building animals that can't even function normally. It baffles me. Stupid stupid stupid us! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/186 - Release Date: 11/29/2005 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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well, humans didn't INVENT them, but they certainly have been responsible for turning them into the extreme-faced things you see at shows now. doll-faced persians have much less extreme faces, and far fewer breathing and eye problems here's one take on their origin: http://www.persian-cat-persian-cats.com/ On 11/29/05, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know humans created the Persian??? Were they created by breeding a Pug with a long haired cat? No seriously...how did Persians come about? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, MC is right, if you ever want a challenge, try pilling a Persian! They don't have mouths, they have little cracks in the front of their heads which somehow is able to suffice as an orifice to get food into their bodies. Those two I had here for a while in rescue were a totally new experience. I used to love Persians (the look of them) before I had one, now I view them as deformed creatures built by humans in a way that pleases humans but is not the best design for the cats themselves. Their little mouth crack opens only about 3/4 an inch, they constantly struggle to breathe right, and they are known as a breed that commonly has heart murmurs. One of the two I had had a grade5 murmur, and died from it. I will never support the breeding of that breed now, miserable little deformities is what they are! I can't understand why we humans find so much happiness in building animals that can't even function normally. It baffles me. Stupid stupid stupid us! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/186 - Release Date: 11/29/2005 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I do to pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat supplement. Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get behind the cat and hold the cat with one hand, while with the other opening the cat's mouth. With the hand opening the cat's mouth, use one finger to hold the lower jaw down so the cat cannot close the mouth and then with the finger that has the goo/pill on it stick the gob on the back of the tongue or down the throat. This always works for me, even with cats hard to pill. Another version is to cut the tip off a 1 cc or 3 cc plastic syringe so it has a wide opening, suck up some Nutrical or other goo in it, stick the pill in that, and use the syringe like a piller to pop the pill and goo down the cat's throat. Michelle
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Wow, a home-made piller! Aren't you the ingenious little cookie?! I like the idea of the Nutrical in the syringe behind the pill, pleasant tasting way to help it slide down their throat. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I do to pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat supplement. Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get behind the cat and hold the cat with one hand, while with the other opening the cat's mouth. With the hand opening the cat's mouth, use one finger to hold the lower jaw down so the cat cannot close the mouth and then with the finger that has the goo/pill on it stick the gob on the back of the tongue or down the throat. This always works for me, even with cats hard to pill. Another version is to cut the tip off a 1 cc or 3 cc plastic syringe so it has a wide opening, suck up some Nutrical or other goo in it, stick the pill in that, and use the syringe like a piller to pop the pill and goo down the cat's throat. Michelle
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I don't get the credit. The woman who runs the shelter where my cats came from showed it to me. She alwayssaid, jokingly, thatshe should patent it and market it as a way to raise money for the cat shelter, because it really does work well. Michelle In a message dated 11/29/2005 12:43:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow, a home-made piller! Aren't you the ingenious little cookie?! I like the idea of the Nutrical in the syringe behind the pill, pleasant tasting way to help it slide down their throat.N
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All domestic cat breeds were a creation of humans. Humans find a quality they like in a cat, and find other cats that have that quality, and breed those cat together, to keep that quality, then those are bred to others like them and back into future generations, until a breed is born. That is how ALL cat AND dog breeds were created. There were no cat and dog breeds before humans came around and tinkered with it. There were wild dogs, like African wild dogs, and wolves, coyotes, etc, and there were wild cats like the African golden cat, or the ocelot, or the caracal. Humans used those animals to eventually create the common domestic cat and dog. Then some odd breeds came around from genetic abnormalities (such as the hairless breeds), while others were a direct result of humans breeding for certain qualities, such as a smushed in face (like Persian cats and Pug dogs), or for size (specifically creating smaller lap dogs), or for certain personality traits (like how retrievers like to fetch things, or how Siamese are very outgoing and talkative). Some very sick people even breed for deformities, like the sickos who breed Twisty Cats (who are born with no legs or little paddles and have to hop on their back legs or scoot on their bellies) or on a lesser level of sickness Munchkin cats, who have deformed short legs, or like Dachshund dogs (short deformed legs). Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/186 - Release Date: 11/29/2005
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That makes me sick. Again, why isn't this illegal? I think a serious flogging is in order here Or worse --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All domestic cat breeds were a creation of humans. Humans find a quality they like in a cat, and find other cats that have that quality, and breed those cat together, to keep that quality, then those are bred to others like them and back into future generations, until a breed is born. That is how ALL cat AND dog breeds were created. There were no cat and dog breeds before humans came around and tinkered with it. There were wild dogs, like African wild dogs, and wolves, coyotes, etc, and there were wild cats like the African golden cat, or the ocelot, or the caracal. Humans used those animals to eventually create the common domestic cat and dog. Then some odd breeds came around from genetic abnormalities (such as the hairless breeds), while others were a direct result of humans breeding for certain qualities, such as a smushed in face (like Persian cats and Pug dogs), or for size (specifically creating smaller lap dogs), or for certain personality traits (like how retrievers like to fetch things, or how Siamese are very outgoing and talkative). Some very sick people even breed for deformities, like the sickos who breed Twisty Cats (who are born with no legs or little paddles and have to hop on their back legs or scoot on their bellies) or on a lesser level of sickness Munchkin cats, who have deformed short legs, or like Dachshund dogs (short deformed legs). Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/186 - Release Date: 11/29/2005 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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I'm always, always learning with this group, and so perhaps I'll realize there are good reasons for breeding. But I've always had a gut reaction against all breeding, and the buying and selling of animals, when there are so many homeless animals that need homes. I am always so disappointed when people I know buy dogs, instead of going to a shelter and rescuing one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sigh... All domestic cat breeds were a creation of humans. Humans find a quality they like in a cat, and find other cats that have that quality, and breed those cat together, to keep that quality, then those are bred to others like them and back into future generations, until a breed is born. That is how ALL cat AND dog breeds were created. There were no cat and dog breeds before humans came around and tinkered with it. There were wild dogs, like African wild dogs, and wolves, coyotes, etc, and there were wild cats like the African golden cat, or the ocelot, or the caracal. Humans used those animals to eventually create the common domestic cat and dog. Then some odd breeds came around from genetic abnormalities (such as the hairless breeds), while others were a direct result of humans breeding for certain qualities, such as a smushed in face (like Persian cats and Pug dogs), or for size (specifically creating smaller lap dogs), or for certain personality traits (like how retrievers like to fetch things, or how Siamese are very outgoing and talkative). Some very sick people even breed for deformities, like the sickos who breed Twisty Cats (who are born with no legs or little paddles and have to hop on their back legs or scoot on their bellies) or on a lesser level of sickness Munchkin cats, who have deformed short legs, or like Dachshund dogs (short deformed legs). Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/186 - Release Date: 11/29/2005 hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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In a message dated 11/29/05 1:54:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll realizethere are good reasons for breeding. Sorry, with the number of innocents MURDERED every day in shelters, I personally can not see ANY REASON, GOOD OR OTHERWISE, FOR BREEDING Patti
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Ditto my dear. I love some of the purebred dogs, but I love ALL dogs and if it's a choice between giving up the purebred cats, or dogs and saving the lonely little souls out there dying everyday for lack of a home, well then, that's not much of a choice is it? N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/05 1:54:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll realize there are good reasons for breeding. Sorry, with the number of innocents MURDERED every day in shelters, I personally can not see ANY REASON, GOOD OR OTHERWISE, FOR BREEDING Patti
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Another thing.. People desiring a pure-bred cat, dog can do "searches" on Petfinder/similar sites. It's amazing how many ofthese pure-breds also suffer the same fate as the "others". Shelters are way over crowded, more animals are being "dumped" than adopted, so the cycle continues. And, when their time is up, well there's no exclusion just because these poor souls have pedigrees. Death does not discriminate. Patti
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my comment about there always being enough persians came from this reality--i, too, cannot sanction breeding, yetlove the specific characteristics of persians so i feel sort of guilty that i can have the best of both worlds yet, if people were to stop taking in rescued persians, would that really stop the people who keep breeding them? if it truly would, i guess i'd get along fine without them. -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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In a message dated 11/29/05 6:48:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: would that really stop the people who keep breeding them? Unfortunately, I don't ever see an end to breeding. You have these high profile dog/cat shows... The "reputable" (choke, choke - ) breeders, only "in it" for the "betterment" of the breed. All the $$$'s involved. Very sad. Thenyou have the BYB's and the millers Very sad. No, it's not going to end in my lifetime. (I hate to be such a pessimist, BUT..I've seen too much, and what I've seen,I hate) Gosh, I wish I'd known you 2 years ago, MC. Actually, it's only a few days past the 2 year marksince our shelter acquired a total of 34 persians.. One breeder busted for neglect, 21 cats seized. One person, presumed to have beena "chickensh*t" breeder, dumped 13 persians in the woods surrounding a shelter volunteers' house! (Yeah, those cats did real well in snow covered woods with temperatures below freezing!!) Never knew too much about the breed til then. Poor things, we lost 4 immediately, and later lost 6 more. Serious health issues that had never been addressed. Females, geriatric, that had been used as "baby machines" their entire lives!! What a mess. These breeders/BYBs/Millers look at this as a means of making $$$s off the flesh blood of poor, innocentcreatures. With the way most laws are written, they geta "slap on the hand", pay a measly fine and then proceed to set up shop somewhere again... I know only too well. I am right next door to Lancaster, Pa. and the "blood-sucking" Amish and their puppy mills. Grr.. (It's no surprise I feel totally burnt out after all these years, yes, and a "weebit" bitter ) Patti
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Michelle, That's genius. Will definitely keep that one tucked away for future reference. Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Sigh... I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I do to pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat supplement. Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get behind the cat and hold the cat with one hand, while with the other opening the cat's mouth. With the hand opening the cat's mouth, use one finger to hold the lower jaw down so the cat cannot close the mouth and then with the finger that has the goo/pill on it stick the gob on the back of the tongue or down the throat. This always works for me, even with cats hard to pill. Another version is to cut the tip off a 1 cc or 3 cc plastic syringe so it has a wide opening, suck up some Nutrical or other goo in it, stick the pill in that, and use the syringe like a piller to pop the pill and goo down the cat's throat. Michelle
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"I am right next door to Lancaster, Pa. and the "blood-sucking" Amish and their puppy mills. Grr.." The Amish treat their horses horribly too, many a horse bound for slaughter was sent there by the Amish once they had broken it down so much with over work and neglect that it wasn't "useful" to them anymore. I'm sure you know about the New Holland sale, being close to it there HORRIBLE! Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/186 - Release Date: 11/29/2005
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In a message dated 11/29/05 11:31:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sure you know about the New Holland sale, being close to it there HORRIBLE! OMG!! That is horrid! I went to a sale once with a friend in Horse Rescue, and I must say I have NEVER felt so helpless and disgusted in my entire life!! I seriously will never be able to go to another auction like that. I was so sickened, disgusted, totally fed up with the world!! My friend has a Horse Rescue, and bless her soul, she goes to that place and helps as many as she can escape the slaughterhouse or glue factory. (Or pet food companies, UGH!!) One time she brought back a baby pig she found on the "dead" pile Only thing was the piglet was NOT dead. Just too ill to be sold, so he was thrown out like garbage. And that's exactly what they do to ALL the poor creatures that don't "fare" well on their "final journey" _ toss them into a pile with all the other "downed" animals! Like garbage, let them rot there! Good God, what kind of world are we living in??!! And what "slays" me is Lancaster County makes millions, maybe billions of dollars with their tourism. People flock from all corners of the world to see the "quaint, God-fearing" Amish. Quaint, God-fearing, my a$$!!! Blood suckers. Epitome of evil. Makes me sick, hiding behind their "faith". Bull Sh*t! Well, all I can say, if there is indeed a God, those people should fear him!! Patti (I rant, therefore, I am...)
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"Well, all I can say, if there is indeed a God, those people should fear him!!" I couldn't agree with you more! I never knew how bad it really was til I bought a movie called Peaceable Kingdom. It's all about farm animals, and the way they are treated. They showed a scene of a sale much like New Holland, and showed them dragging a live but downed cow by her hind leg out to the dead pile, where still living (but horribly suffering) animals were writhing in misery under dead ones, and such. Really horrible. I've never been to New Holland myself, but have seen much film and pictures of it, and it's bad. I have gone to many horse auctions, many where killer buyers are present, and I have seen some bad things, but nothing like on that scale. Boy we are going way off topic again, better take this private... Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/186 - Release Date: 11/29/2005
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Thank you everyone for your replies to my cries! lol. I was really upset. I'm so upset that he's sick and doesn't feel well, but won't take the pill. I tried explaining it to him, and told him how sorry I was...he ran away a few times and then when he was comfortable again he let me come back and pet and cuddle with him and he purred. I talked it over with him but I don't think he'll be receptive to the idea ever again. lol. Are they more receptive to shots than syringe? Forget the turkey juice, he wont even LOOK at the syringe much less let it near him. In a panic at 915 I called Petco (my LAST resort EVER) as one of the retailers listed for pill pockets. This week is a rough week as far as extra cash goes, I've had to stretch it a LONG ways. The site said and for only 4 or 5 dollars! yea right, I walk into Petco and THEY'RE selling them for 11 bucks for the bags sold for under 5 online! I yelped to the lady who helped me find them Holy crap! Eleven dollars! These are 4 bucks online! I walked out astounded and ran to look for them elsewhere. I couldnt find them anywhere else, by the time I'd gone, it was too late they were closed so i got some soft cat treats thinking I could shove the pills into the treat (which I was able to) but he turned his nose up at them. Sigh. Jenn, i did try sitting on him, but again, as you said, there's the problem with there being just me and no one to help with the front legs. At least not every day. I only see my boyfriend on weekends so the rest of the week would be shot. :( I'll call the vet tomorrow and discuss other options. Maybe I will have him boarded for treatment. I dunno. I hate having animals at the vet even for just that. I'm such a baby. I cried my eyes out when I had to leave Linus overnight. Of course he was having surgery under anesthesia so I was a MESS. If only I could describe his expression and behavior when we went to pick him up. I'll never forget it. (As he sits here with his head and front paws on my lap my little puggy. I call him babyhead because his head is so little and he looks like a baby pup. lol.) Gosh my emails are really long. Does everyone wanna kill me yet? lol. Thanks so much everyone. I was so distressed. I dont want him to be sick anymore. I'm so worried and I hate stressing him out. I cry easy when I get overwhelmed at things like this so I was a little over the edge earlier. Anyhow, tomorrow's a new day and I can speak with the vet. Hugs, Rebecca
