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I use PetTinic, along with some other vitamin products - but it does have a bit of sugar in it, so something to be aware of. Gloria On Mar 10, 2007, at 8:15 PM, elizabeth trent wrote: OMG -- let me just say this about Pet Tinic. This is in no way a normal story...but Mama Kitty hated it so bad...she took other meds with no problem..but the last time I gave her Pet Tinic she honest to God had a siezure. I thought she was dead -- gave me a heart attack. Mama Kitty will never have to take that nasty stuff ever again. I've had other cats who just loved it. Not on Mama's menu. elizabeth On 3/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/8/07 7:30:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So no one here has heard much about the use of ovaban for itching and calming them down? Debbie I had to give a male cat ovaban for his urinating (outside of box, ANYWHERE!!!). But, the poor boy was traumatized, owner was fleeing town after we had the Three Mile Island incident here [Sorry, my memory stinks, but I KNOW it was early '80's, at least I think]. She was just going to dump him in a KILL-SHELTER! And, at the time, I did have one of his sisters, so, regardless of that fact, he came home - to me He DID calm down, used box ALL the time, BUT. That was my Mr. Chow - [my very first encounter w/ Felv.].. And, to make matters worse, when he got older and sickly, he was diagnosed w/ cancer... Upon necropsy [something I detest], his lymphosarcoma was due to being Felv+. (Keep in mind, this was prior to Snap or Elisa testing..) I was devastated... I still wonder about just how they were able to diagnose Felv. () And, he lived w/ me my furbabies MANY years, and all his friends lived to a ripe [healthy] age. On the subject of amytryptilline, we used that at the shelter on many stressed-out cats. And, Blossom [See? I CAN remember some things!], used to chew her fur terribly PRIOR!!! Her nickname was Bald Blossom. After giving her the meds, she was Beautiful Blossom! And, as far as I know, which lately isn't too much, she is a healthy senior w/ lots of fur What dosage were you RX'ed? Improper dosage can lead to many problems. And, don't ask me what we had our Blossom on. that memory is gone I know I am rambling am even going to switch topic, but. For vitamins, yes, PetTinic is very good, but we also used Fela-Vite [sp?]. It's a flavored gel, I even think it's made by the same mfg. as Laxatone. () Just don't quote me on that.. And, since I'm changing topic, I also want to say that I am seriously contemplating having my Buster put on amytryptilline.. He was Cornelius's best friend (the rest of my gang are snooty, AND THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY). I rescued Buster shortly after Cornelius, and when Corny passed, well, I was really concerned about Buster. And, he is also a Maine Coon, but now he is a DSH!!! And, he is perfectly healthy, according to my vet. He's on a good [great] diet, no fleas, no allergies... What's a Mom to do And, I DO have to go back to vet, as soon as I figure out a way to get dear Charity into a carrier.. For those of you not familiar w/ my Charity, she's the feral I've been looking after [spayed, tested, vaccinated, plus food shelter], who led me to Black Bart, another REALLY, REALLY mean feral tom [in a BLIZZARD!!!] when he was so ill... They both put their trust in me that night.. Sadly, for Bart it was too late. :( But, Charity allowed me to carry her back to house, and she's been inside ever since In a large crate, but until I ever get her to vet, I don't want to expose her to my other babies I even have Timmy, her baby.Who I had to bottle feed 'cause the j*rk that dumped them, put them in a cardboard box Of course, Mom got out, but I had her 2 teeny babies The other baby, Thomas, was adopted, but Timmy won't have any of that [He did get adopted while I was in hosp., thank heavens for adoption contracts!!! He made it purr-fectly clear that this was his home] I'm rambling [again], back to CharityWe DID have a vet appt., BUT..., upon seeing another human, she went ballistic (I can't drive among other handicaps after MVA), so when my rescue buddy came to get us, there was NO way to get her in carrier! I knowmy fault, should have already had her in carrier. But, she has to be at least semi manageable for vet appt. And, she does not like any person but me!!! And, at least prior to MVA I could draw blood. Now...FORGET IT!!! My room mate even asked why I brought the EVIL CAT in (Her house is in my laundry room and she freaks whenever he goes in there!!!) So just how can I expect a vet staff to handle her??? With me, she's a mush She allows
Re: ovaban and other stuff....Nina
Dear Nina, I've been thinking much about you also. (And now w/ my vision going so bad, unless I put you on speed-dial...well. And, my mobility is also going to he!!, so it's almost impossible for me to answer phone. And, that portable phone my room mate got me, well, it has TOO many things and I have a great record of disconnecting incoming calls.. I give up! Think positive - great idea, but hard to do when you're steadily going [further] down- hill. After reading your post, I remembered how the vet visit went w/ Bart... (I also have a great vet, compassionate but MILES awayHe does give me Rescue Rates - thank heaven).. When I sadly had Bart PTS he asked me what did I want to do w/ his remains.I jokingly said I'd put him in freezer w/ Fred, my [very LARGE] goldfishWe have been in such a deep-freeze, snow, sleet...I don't think ground will thaw 'til June So, I did have him cremated That fee was larger than I expected..But, as always, the critters come first. I didn't now how Bart would react - strange place, strange people.. And he was in so much pain.. But I did explain to him why I was doing this, promised him he would be taken care of [NOT what I wanted, but I've promised all my critters I'd never let them suffer]. He was so amazing though. He did growl, hiss - but only once. I just stroked him, explained to him what was going on, and he even let me kiss him I really believe he knew I was doing the best [only] option. When the vet gave him the sedative prior to the euthanol, well, he looked at me w/ those big, beautiful eyes - I think telling me, It's ok Mom thank you. And, for Charity's appt., I do have a carrier that has the metal thing on top that you can just open, and that will probably be much less stressful - for both her me. I'm just concerned about how we can draw blood.. She was negative when I had her spayed, but she's been out the last 2 years, And, Bart, [NEVER tested], was old, intact had all the textbook symptoms of wet FIP(He was so full of fluids...) Poor 'ole boy. A lousy life. Is it any wonder I prefer critters over people? And believe me, doing Rescue for so long, the things I saw, the idiots I encounteredG.. I could go on on. Especially since I just watched Animal Cops (Heroes). Ughh.. I'll let you all know how it goes w/ Charity. I do talk to her every day, try to explain what we're [trying] to accomplish. And, yes, she does trust me so hopefully it will be smooth sailing w/ excellent results And, I do use Feliway RR. And w/ the Feliway, it's so wonderful - stroking this former feral girl. I actually thinks she actually enjoys the touching...I still can't believe the turn-a-round..Makes me cry, tears of joy. SIMPLY AMAZING! This girl had me in ER so many times! Oh, I am rambling again, sorry, but I have gotten so much love support from this group, And, it really helps me, emotionally. I really need that, especially now. So, thank you Nina and everyone for all your support. You'll never know how much it means to me, Oh, look at the time (Takes me forever to write). The insomniac is going to attempt to get some rest. Hopefully anyway. Much love, hugs thanks, Patti her gang BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
Re: ovaban and other stuff....Nina
*Dearest Patti, Your vet visit with Charity is going to be peaceful and smooth, I just know it. As far as drawing blood... What we've done is keep the kitty completely covered and just gently extracted a back leg to draw blood from. If you stroke, or gently tap her head through the towel while the vet pulls the blood it will distract her from the prick of the needle. I'm so sorry to hear how horrendous your disabilities are. Please hang in there. All the animals love and need you. I know it's not as important, but some of us two leggers love and need you too. I remember the first time I met you on the list. You hadn't been posting for awhile and the very first post back was so full of compassion and helpful information that I fell in love with you on the spot. I even wrote to tell you how happy and grateful I was that you started posting to the list again. Those feelings have continued to grow. You are a very special person Patti, an inspiration in so many ways. Thank you for making the effort necessary to continue sharing your life and stories with us. Please know you are always in my thoughts and prayers, Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Nina, I've been thinking much about you also. (And now w/ my vision going so *bad*, unless I put you on speed-dial...well. And, my mobility is also going to he!!, so it's almost impossible for me to answer phone. And, that portable phone my room mate got me, well, it has TOO many things and I have a great record of disconnecting incoming calls.. I give up! *Think positive* - great idea, but hard to do when you're steadily going [further] down- hill. After reading your post, I remembered how the vet visit went w/ Bart... (I also have a great vet, compassionate but MILES awayHe does give me Rescue Rates - thank heaven).. When I sadly had Bart PTS he asked me what did I want to do w/ his remains.I *jokingly* said I'd put him in freezer w/ Fred, my [very *LARGE*] goldfishWe have been in such a deep-freeze, snow, sleet...I don't think ground will thaw 'til June So, I did have him cremated That fee was larger than I expected..But, as always, the critters come first. I didn't now how Bart would react - strange place, strange people.. And he was in so much pain.. But I did explain to him why I was doing this, promised him he would be taken care of [NOT what I wanted, but I've promised all my critters I'd never let them suffer]. He was so amazing though. He did growl, hiss - but only once. I just stroked him, explained to him what was going on, and he even let me kiss him I really believe he knew I was doing the best [only] option. When the vet gave him the sedative prior to the euthanol, well, he looked at me w/ those big, beautiful eyes - I think telling me, It's ok Mom thank you. And, for Charity's appt., I do have a carrier that has the metal thing on top that you can just open, and that will probably be much less stressful - for both her me. I'm just concerned about how we can draw blood.. She was negative when I had her spayed, but she's been out the last 2 years, And, Bart, [NEVER tested], was old, intact had all the textbook symptoms of wet FIP(He was so full of fluids...) Poor 'ole boy. A lousy life. Is it any wonder I prefer critters over people? And believe me, doing Rescue for so long, the things I saw, the */idiots/* I encounteredG.. I could go on on. Especially since I just watched Animal Cops (Heroes). Ughh.. I'll let you all know how it goes w/ Charity. I do talk to her every day, try to explain what we're [trying] to accomplish. And, yes, she does trust me so hopefully it will be smooth sailing w/ excellent results And, I do use Feliway RR. And w/ the Feliway, it's so wonderful - stroking this former feral girl. I actually thinks she actually enjoys the touching...I still can't believe the turn-a-round..Makes me cry, tears of joy. SIMPLY AMAZING! This girl had me in ER so many times! Oh, I am rambling again, sorry, but I have gotten so much love support from this group, And, it really helps me, emotionally. I really need that, especially now. So, thank you Nina and everyone for all your support. You'll never know how much it means to me, Oh, look at the time (Takes me forever to write). The insomniac is going to attempt to get some rest. Hopefully anyway. Much love, hugs thanks, Patti her gang AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339.
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Patti, I for one am always happy when I see you've posted something. Your presence here is simply, right. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 3:27:10 AM Subject: Re: ovaban and other stuffNina Dear Nina, I've been thinking much about you also. (And now w/ my vision going so bad, unless I put you on speed-dial...well. And, my mobility is also going to he!!, so it's almost impossible for me to answer phone. And, that portable phone my room mate got me, well, it has TOO many things and I have a great record of disconnecting incoming calls.. I give up! Think positive - great idea, but hard to do when you're steadily going [further] down- hill. After reading your post, I remembered how the vet visit went w/ Bart... (I also have a great vet, compassionate but MILES awayHe does give me Rescue Rates - thank heaven).. When I sadly had Bart PTS he asked me what did I want to do w/ his remains.I jokingly said I'd put him in freezer w/ Fred, my [very LARGE] goldfishWe have been in such a deep-freeze, snow, sleet...I don't think ground will thaw 'til June So, I did have him cremated That fee was larger than I expected..But, as always, the critters come first. I didn't now how Bart would react - strange place, strange people.. And he was in so much pain.. But I did explain to him why I was doing this, promised him he would be taken care of [NOT what I wanted, but I've promised all my critters I'd never let them suffer]. He was so amazing though. He did growl, hiss - but only once. I just stroked him, explained to him what was going on, and he even let me kiss him I really believe he knew I was doing the best [only] option. When the vet gave him the sedative prior to the euthanol, well, he looked at me w/ those big, beautiful eyes - I think telling me, It's ok Mom thank you. And, for Charity's appt., I do have a carrier that has the metal thing on top that you can just open, and that will probably be much less stressful - for both her me. I'm just concerned about how we can draw blood.. She was negative when I had her spayed, but she's been out the last 2 years, And, Bart, [NEVER tested], was old, intact had all the textbook symptoms of wet FIP(He was so full of fluids...) Poor 'ole boy. A lousy life. Is it any wonder I prefer critters over people? And believe me, doing Rescue for so long, the things I saw, the idiots I encounteredG.. I could go on on. Especially since I just watched Animal Cops (Heroes). Ughh.. I'll let you all know how it goes w/ Charity. I do talk to her every day, try to explain what we're [trying] to accomplish. And, yes, she does trust me so hopefully it will be smooth sailing w/ excellent results And, I do use Feliway RR. And w/ the Feliway, it's so wonderful - stroking this former feral girl. I actually thinks she actually enjoys the touching...I still can't believe the turn-a-round..Makes me cry, tears of joy. SIMPLY AMAZING! This girl had me in ER so many times! Oh, I am rambling again, sorry, but I have gotten so much love support from this group, And, it really helps me, emotionally. I really need that, especially now. So, thank you Nina and everyone for all your support. You'll never know how much it means to me, Oh, look at the time (Takes me forever to write). The insomniac is going to attempt to get some rest. Hopefully anyway. Much love, hugs thanks, Patti her gang AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
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Hear hear---everything Nina and Barb said about how important and special you are to us, Patti, is so true. I remember being so happy and so relieved when you started posting again in recent months! I always love seeing your postings; it gives me that all too rare all's right with the world feeling. You are indeed an inspiration to me too in all that you do for your beloved furbabes, despite your many and significant health problems. Know you're always in my thoughts too, dear Patti, sending you healing vibes. much love and big hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: ovaban and other stuffNina Dearest Patti, Your vet visit with Charity is going to be peaceful and smooth, I just know it. As far as drawing blood... What we've done is keep the kitty completely covered and just gently extracted a back leg to draw blood from. If you stroke, or gently tap her head through the towel while the vet pulls the blood it will distract her from the prick of the needle. I'm so sorry to hear how horrendous your disabilities are. Please hang in there. All the animals love and need you. I know it's not as important, but some of us two leggers love and need you too. I remember the first time I met you on the list. You hadn't been posting for awhile and the very first post back was so full of compassion and helpful information that I fell in love with you on the spot. I even wrote to tell you how happy and grateful I was that you started posting to the list again. Those feelings have continued to grow. You are a very special person Patti, an inspiration in so many ways. Thank you for making the effort necessary to continue sharing your life and stories with us. Please know you are always in my thoughts and prayers, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Nina, I've been thinking much about you also. (And now w/ my vision going so bad, unless I put you on speed-dial...well. And, my mobility is also going to he!!, so it's almost impossible for me to answer phone. And, that portable phone my room mate got me, well, it has TOO many things and I have a great record of disconnecting incoming calls.. I give up! Think positive - great idea, but hard to do when you're steadily going [further] down- hill. After reading your post, I remembered how the vet visit went w/ Bart... (I also have a great vet, compassionate but MILES awayHe does give me Rescue Rates - thank heaven).. When I sadly had Bart PTS he asked me what did I want to do w/ his remains.I jokingly said I'd put him in freezer w/ Fred, my [very LARGE] goldfishWe have been in such a deep-freeze, snow, sleet...I don't think ground will thaw 'til June So, I did have him cremated That fee was larger than I expected..But, as always, the critters come first. I didn't now how Bart would react - strange place, strange people.. And he was in so much pain.. But I did explain to him why I was doing this, promised him he would be taken care of [NOT what I wanted, but I've promised all my critters I'd never let them suffer]. He was so amazing though. He did growl, hiss - but only once. I just stroked him, explained to him what was going on, and he even let me kiss him I really believe he knew I was doing the best [only] option. When the vet gave him the sedative prior to the euthanol, well, he looked at me w/ those big, beautiful eyes - I think telling me, It's ok Mom thank you. And, for Charity's appt., I do have a carrier that has the metal thing on top that you can just open, and that will probably be much less stressful - for both her me. I'm just concerned about how we can draw blood.. She was negative when I had her spayed, but she's been out the last 2 years, And, Bart, [NEVER tested], was old, intact had all the textbook symptoms of wet FIP(He was so full of fluids...) Poor 'ole boy. A lousy life. Is it any wonder I prefer critters over people? And believe me, doing Rescue for so long, the things I saw, the idiots I encounteredG.. I could go on on. Especially since I just watched Animal Cops (Heroes). Ughh.. I'll let you all know how it goes w/ Charity. I do talk to her every day, try to explain what we're [trying] to accomplish. And, yes, she does trust me so hopefully it will be smooth sailing w/ excellent results And, I do use Feliway RR. And w/ the Feliway, it's so wonderful - stroking this former feral girl. I actually thinks she actually enjoys the touching...I still can't believe the turn-a-round..Makes me cry, tears of joy. SIMPLY AMAZING! This girl had me in ER so many times! Oh, I am rambling again, sorry, but I have gotten so much love support from this group, And, it really helps me
Re: ovaban and other stuff....
OMG -- let me just say this about Pet Tinic. This is in no way a normal story...but Mama Kitty hated it so bad...she took other meds with no problem..but the last time I gave her Pet Tinic she honest to God had a siezure. I thought she was dead -- gave me a heart attack. Mama Kitty will never have to take that nasty stuff ever again. I've had other cats who just loved it. Not on Mama's menu. elizabeth On 3/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/8/07 7:30:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So no one here has heard much about the use of ovaban for itching and calming them down? Debbie I had to give a male cat ovaban for his urinating (outside of box, ANYWHERE!!!). But, the poor boy was traumatized, owner was fleeing town after we had the Three Mile Island incident here [Sorry, my memory stinks, but I KNOW it was early '80's, at least I think]. She was just going to dump him in a KILL-SHELTER! And, at the time, I did have one of his sisters, so, regardless of that fact, he came home - to me He DID calm down, used box ALL the time, BUT. That was my Mr. Chow - [my very first encounter w/ Felv.].. And, to make matters worse, when he got older and sickly, he was diagnosed w/ cancer... Upon necropsy [something I detest], his lymphosarcoma was due to being Felv+. (Keep in mind, this was prior to Snap or Elisa testing..) I was devastated... I still wonder about just *how* they were able to diagnose Felv. () And, he lived w/ me my furbabies MANY years, and all his friends lived to a ripe [healthy] age. On the subject of amytryptilline, we used that at the shelter on many stressed-out cats. And, Blossom [See? I CAN remember some things!], used to chew her fur terribly PRIOR!!! Her nickname was Bald Blossom. After giving her the meds, she was Beautiful Blossom! And, as far as I know, which lately isn't too much, she is a healthy senior w/ lots of fur What dosage were you RX'ed? Improper dosage can lead to many problems. And, don't ask me what we had our Blossom on. that memory is * gone* I know I am rambling am even going to *switch* topic, but. For vitamins, yes, PetTinic is very good, but we also used Fela-Vite[sp?]. It's a *flavored *gel, I even think it's made by the same mfg. as Laxatone. () Just don't quote me on that.. And, since I'm changing topic, I also want to say that I am seriously contemplating having my Buster put on amytryptilline.. He was Cornelius's best friend (the rest of my gang are snooty, AND THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY). I rescued Buster shortly after Cornelius, and when Corny passed, well, I was really concerned about Buster. And, he is also a Maine Coon, but now he is a DSH!!! And, he is *perfectly healthy,* according to my vet. He's on a good [great] diet, no fleas, no allergies... What's a Mom to do And, I DO have to go back to vet, as soon as I figure out a way to get dear Charity into a carrier.. For those of you not familiar w/ my Charity, she's the feral I've been looking after [spayed, tested, vaccinated, plus food shelter], who led me to Black Bart, another REALLY, REALLY mean feral tom [in a BLIZZARD!!!] when he was so ill... They *both* put their trust in me that night.. Sadly, for Bart it was too late. :( But, Charity allowed me to carry her back to house, and she's been inside ever since In a large crate, but until I ever get her to vet, I don't want to expose her to my other babies I even have Timmy, her baby.Who I had to bottle feed 'cause the j*rk that dumped them, put them in a cardboard box Of course, Mom got out, but I had her 2 teeny babies The other baby, Thomas, was adopted, but Timmy won't have any of that [He did get adopted while I was in hosp., thank heavens for adoption contracts!!! He made it purr-fectly clear that *this was his home*] I'm rambling [again], back to CharityWe DID have a vet appt., * BUT...*, upon seeing another human, she went ballistic (I can't drive among *other *handicaps after MVA), so when my rescue buddy came to get us, there was NO way to get her in carrier! I knowmy fault, should have already had her in carrier. But, she has to be at least semi manageable for vet appt. And, she does not like *any *person but me!!! And, at least prior to MVA I could draw blood. Now...FORGET IT!!! My room mate even asked *why* I brought the *EVIL CAT *in (Her house is in my laundry room and she freaks whenever he goes in there!!!) So just how can I expect a vet staff to handle her??? With me, she's a mush She allows me to stroke her, even PURRS!!! And, sometimes when she *pretends* to scratch me, she doesn't even have her claws out!!! I just don't know what to do.. Living in a crate is MUCH better than life outside in this weather here. Suggestions, anyone Debbie everyone, sorry
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In a message dated 3/8/07 7:30:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So no one here has heard much about the use of ovaban for itching and calming them down? Debbie I had to give a male cat ovaban for his urinating (outside of box, ANYWHERE!!!). But, the poor boy was traumatized, owner was fleeing town after we had the Three Mile Island incident here [Sorry, my memory stinks, but I KNOW it was early '80's, at least I think]. She was just going to dump him in a KILL-SHELTER! And, at the time, I did have one of his sisters, so, regardless of that fact, he came home - to me He DID calm down, used box ALL the time, BUT. That was my Mr. Chow - [my very first encounter w/ Felv.].. And, to make matters worse, when he got older and sickly, he was diagnosed w/ cancer... Upon necropsy [something I detest], his lymphosarcoma was due to being Felv+. (Keep in mind, this was prior to Snap or Elisa testing..) I was devastated... I still wonder about just how they were able to diagnose Felv. () And, he lived w/ me my furbabies MANY years, and all his friends lived to a ripe [healthy] age. On the subject of amytryptilline, we used that at the shelter on many stressed-out cats. And, Blossom [See? I CAN remember some things!], used to chew her fur terribly PRIOR!!! Her nickname was Bald Blossom. After giving her the meds, she was Beautiful Blossom! And, as far as I know, which lately isn't too much, she is a healthy senior w/ lots of fur What dosage were you RX'ed? Improper dosage can lead to many problems. And, don't ask me what we had our Blossom on. that memory is gone I know I am rambling am even going to switch topic, but. For vitamins, yes, PetTinic is very good, but we also used Fela-Vite[sp?]. It's a flavored gel, I even think it's made by the same mfg. as Laxatone. () Just don't quote me on that.. And, since I'm changing topic, I also want to say that I am seriously contemplating having my Buster put on amytryptilline.. He was Cornelius's best friend (the rest of my gang are snooty, AND THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY). I rescued Buster shortly after Cornelius, and when Corny passed, well, I was really concerned about Buster. And, he is also a Maine Coon, but now he is a DSH!!! And, he is perfectly healthy, according to my vet. He's on a good [great] diet, no fleas, no allergies... What's a Mom to do And, I DO have to go back to vet, as soon as I figure out a way to get dear Charity into a carrier.. For those of you not familiar w/ my Charity, she's the feral I've been looking after [spayed, tested, vaccinated, plus food shelter], who led me to Black Bart, another REALLY, REALLY mean feral tom [in a BLIZZARD!!!] when he was so ill... They both put their trust in me that night.. Sadly, for Bart it was too late. :( But, Charity allowed me to carry her back to house, and she's been inside ever since In a large crate, but until I ever get her to vet, I don't want to expose her to my other babies I even have Timmy, her baby.Who I had to bottle feed 'cause the j*rk that dumped them, put them in a cardboard box Of course, Mom got out, but I had her 2 teeny babies The other baby, Thomas, was adopted, but Timmy won't have any of that [He did get adopted while I was in hosp., thank heavens for adoption contracts!!! He made it purr-fectly clear that this was his home] I'm rambling [again], back to CharityWe DID have a vet appt., BUT..., upon seeing another human, she went ballistic (I can't drive among other handicaps after MVA), so when my rescue buddy came to get us, there was NO way to get her in carrier! I knowmy fault, should have already had her in carrier. But, she has to be at least semi manageable for vet appt. And, she does not like any person but me!!! And, at least prior to MVA I could draw blood. Now...FORGET IT!!! My room mate even asked why I brought the EVIL CAT in (Her house is in my laundry room and she freaks whenever he goes in there!!!) So just how can I expect a vet staff to handle her??? With me, she's a mush She allows me to stroke her, even PURRS!!! And, sometimes when she pretends to scratch me, she doesn't even have her claws out!!! I just don't know what to do.. Living in a crate is MUCH better than life outside in this weather here. Suggestions, anyone Debbie everyone, sorry I rambled so much. Can you tell I don't get out much? Patti her gang BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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Hi Sweetie, I was just thinking about you this morning, it's so nice to see you posting. About Charity... I have a feeling that once you get her in the carrier and to the vet things will go more smoothly than you suspect. As you know, I too have an overabundance of recalcitrant, formally feral friends. My delighted experience has been that if they are treated with calm, loving, respectfulness at the vet they do much better than expected. I have a particular vet, (of course she's expensive, far away and difficult to get an appt with!), that is very understanding about scaredy cats. I give them a towel to hide under in the carrier and drape a larger towel over the carrier. When we're at the vet's office we weigh them while still in the carrier, (sorry no taking temp unless absolutely necessary), put the carrier on the exam table and while simultaneously lifting the top of the carrier off, cover the nervous cat with the larger towel. I keep them mostly covered, exposing only those areas being examined, and leave them in the bottom of the carrier throughout the exam. Coo to them and hold them gently, but firmly. Tell them that they will be safe as long as they stay very still. It's nerve wracking for everyone, but so far, as long as they trust me, (as Charity does you), they've all done really well. I tell them exactly what will be happening and talk to them the entire time about how good they are to let us help them. I also douse everything with feliway and if I can, put RR on their ear tips. I don't know if it helps, but it can't hurt. Good luck with sweet Charity. Let us know how she does. I'm looking forward to hearing she's out of her cage! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you not familiar w/ my Charity, she's the feral I've been looking after [spayed, tested, vaccinated, plus food shelter], who led me to Black Bart, another REALLY, REALLY mean feral tom [in a BLIZZARD!!!] when he was so ill... They /both/ put their trust in me that night.. Sadly, for Bart it was too late. :( But, Charity allowed me to carry her back to house, and she's been inside ever since In a large crate, but until I ever get her to vet, I don't want to expose her to my other babies I'm rambling [again], back to CharityWe DID have a vet appt., *BUT...*, upon seeing another human, she went ballistic (I can't drive among /other /handicaps after MVA), so when my rescue buddy came to get us, there was NO way to get her in carrier! I knowmy fault, should have already had her in carrier. But, she has to be at least semi manageable for vet appt. And, she does not like /any /person but me!!! And, at least prior to MVA I could draw blood. Now...FORGET IT!!! My room mate even asked /why/ I brought the *EVIL CAT *in (Her house is in my laundry room and she freaks whenever he goes in there!!!) So just how can I expect a vet staff to handle her??? With me, she's a mush She allows me to stroke her, even PURRS!!! And, sometimes when she /pretends/ to scratch me, she doesn't even have her claws out!!! I just don't know what to do.. Living in a crate is MUCH better than life outside in this weather here. Suggestions, anyone Patti her gang
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When I had a feral, Gigi Sue, she was in a kitty condo cage (2' x 3' x 4') and safe, learned to be happy, too. I could not just reach in a pick her up. She had an igloo or pyramid bed she loved to hide in. When she needed to go to the vet I put a towel over the front of her igloo, lifted it out with her inside and pushed it into a carrier big enough for the igloo. At the vet she was very afraid but could be handled somewhat. Later when she was out of the cage, she lived under my bed (except at night when she happily roamed the house without the humans in her way). Again the igloo was handy ... closed the bedroom door, shooshed her into the igloo and towel over the front of it ... have to admit that often took an hour+ and she and I were very wornout by then. An idea to work with though. Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: ovaban and other stuff In a message dated 3/8/07 7:30:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So no one here has heard much about the use of ovaban for itching and calming them down? Debbie I had to give a male cat ovaban for his urinating (outside of box, ANYWHERE!!!). But, the poor boy was traumatized, owner was fleeing town after we had the Three Mile Island incident here [Sorry, my memory stinks, but I KNOW it was early '80's, at least I think]. She was just going to dump him in a KILL-SHELTER! And, at the time, I did have one of his sisters, so, regardless of that fact, he came home - to me He DID calm down, used box ALL the time, BUT. That was my Mr. Chow - [my very first encounter w/ Felv.].. And, to make matters worse, when he got older and sickly, he was diagnosed w/ cancer... Upon necropsy [something I detest], his lymphosarcoma was due to being Felv+. (Keep in mind, this was prior to Snap or Elisa testing..) I was devastated... I still wonder about just how they were able to diagnose Felv. () And, he lived w/ me my furbabies MANY years, and all his friends lived to a ripe [healthy] age. On the subject of amytryptilline, we used that at the shelter on many stressed-out cats. And, Blossom [See? I CAN remember some things!], used to chew her fur terribly PRIOR!!! Her nickname was Bald Blossom. After giving her the meds, she was Beautiful Blossom! And, as far as I know, which lately isn't too much, she is a healthy senior w/ lots of fur What dosage were you RX'ed? Improper dosage can lead to many problems. And, don't ask me what we had our Blossom on. that memory is gone I know I am rambling am even going to switch topic, but. For vitamins, yes, PetTinic is very good, but we also used Fela-Vite[sp?]. It's a flavored gel, I even think it's made by the same mfg. as Laxatone. () Just don't quote me on that.. And, since I'm changing topic, I also want to say that I am seriously contemplating having my Buster put on amytryptilline.. He was Cornelius's best friend (the rest of my gang are snooty, AND THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY). I rescued Buster shortly after Cornelius, and when Corny passed, well, I was really concerned about Buster. And, he is also a Maine Coon, but now he is a DSH!!! And, he is perfectly healthy, according to my vet. He's on a good [great] diet, no fleas, no allergies... What's a Mom to do And, I DO have to go back to vet, as soon as I figure out a way to get dear Charity into a carrier.. For those of you not familiar w/ my Charity, she's the feral I've been looking after [spayed, tested, vaccinated, plus food shelter], who led me to Black Bart, another REALLY, REALLY mean feral tom [in a BLIZZARD!!!] when he was so ill... They both put their trust in me that night.. Sadly, for Bart it was too late. :( But, Charity allowed me to carry her back to house, and she's been inside ever since In a large crate, but until I ever get her to vet, I don't want to expose her to my other babies I even have Timmy, her baby.Who I had to bottle feed 'cause the j*rk that dumped them, put them in a cardboard box Of course, Mom got out, but I had her 2 teeny babies The other baby, Thomas, was adopted, but Timmy won't have any of that [He did get adopted while I was in hosp., thank heavens for adoption contracts!!! He made it purr-fectly clear that this was his home] I'm rambling [again], back to CharityWe DID have a vet appt., BUT..., upon seeing another human, she went ballistic (I can't drive among other handicaps after MVA), so when my rescue buddy came to get us, there was NO way to get her in carrier! I knowmy fault, should have already had her in carrier. But, she has to be at least semi manageable for vet appt. And, she does not like any person but me
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i think we too often impose OUR values onto them re: quality of life a cat who feels safe in a smaller room, or even for awhile in a condo cage, can clearly be LESS depressed or stressed than one who is hiding, terrified, in 3 feet while it has 3,000-sq-ft of luxury surrounding it. of course a condo cage, or a separate room may not be the IDEAL situation for a housepet, but not all the cats who adopt us are gonna be classic housecats--and their standards of what constitutes meeting their needs may not be the same as our's is. On 3/9/07, Del H. Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *When I had a feral, Gigi Sue, she was in a kitty condo cage (2' x 3' x 4') and safe, learned to be happy, too. I could not just reach in a pick her up. She had an igloo or pyramid bed she loved to hide in. When she needed to go to the vet I put a towel over the front of her igloo, lifted it out with her inside and pushed it into a carrier big enough for the igloo. At the vet she was very afraid but could be handled somewhat. Later when she was out of the cage, she lived under my bed (except at night when she happily roamed the house without the humans in her way). Again the igloo was handy ... closed the bedroom door, shooshed her into the igloo and towel over the front of it ... have to admit that often took an hour+ and she and I were very wornout by then. An idea to work with though.* ** *Del* - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2007 12:25 PM *Subject:* Re: ovaban and other stuff In a message dated 3/8/07 7:30:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So no one here has heard much about the use of ovaban for itching and calming them down? Debbie I had to give a male cat ovaban for his urinating (outside of box, ANYWHERE!!!). But, the poor boy was traumatized, owner was fleeing town after we had the Three Mile Island incident here [Sorry, my memory stinks, but I KNOW it was early '80's, at least I think]. She was just going to dump him in a KILL-SHELTER! And, at the time, I did have one of his sisters, so, regardless of that fact, he came home - to me He DID calm down, used box ALL the time, BUT. That was my Mr. Chow - [my very first encounter w/ Felv.].. And, to make matters worse, when he got older and sickly, he was diagnosed w/ cancer... Upon necropsy [something I detest], his lymphosarcoma was due to being Felv+. (Keep in mind, this was prior to Snap or Elisa testing..) I was devastated... I still wonder about just *how* they were able to diagnose Felv. () And, he lived w/ me my furbabies MANY years, and all his friends lived to a ripe [healthy] age. On the subject of amytryptilline, we used that at the shelter on many stressed-out cats. And, Blossom [See? I CAN remember some things!], used to chew her fur terribly PRIOR!!! Her nickname was Bald Blossom. After giving her the meds, she was Beautiful Blossom! And, as far as I know, which lately isn't too much, she is a healthy senior w/ lots of fur What dosage were you RX'ed? Improper dosage can lead to many problems. And, don't ask me what we had our Blossom on. that memory is * gone* I know I am rambling am even going to *switch* topic, but. For vitamins, yes, PetTinic is very good, but we also used Fela-Vite[sp?]. It's a *flavored *gel, I even think it's made by the same mfg. as Laxatone. () Just don't quote me on that.. And, since I'm changing topic, I also want to say that I am seriously contemplating having my Buster put on amytryptilline.. He was Cornelius's best friend (the rest of my gang are snooty, AND THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY). I rescued Buster shortly after Cornelius, and when Corny passed, well, I was really concerned about Buster. And, he is also a Maine Coon, but now he is a DSH!!! And, he is *perfectly healthy,* according to my vet. He's on a good [great] diet, no fleas, no allergies... What's a Mom to do And, I DO have to go back to vet, as soon as I figure out a way to get dear Charity into a carrier.. For those of you not familiar w/ my Charity, she's the feral I've been looking after [spayed, tested, vaccinated, plus food shelter], who led me to Black Bart, another REALLY, REALLY mean feral tom [in a BLIZZARD!!!] when he was so ill... They *both* put their trust in me that night.. Sadly, for Bart it was too late. :( But, Charity allowed me to carry her back to house, and she's been inside ever since In a large crate, but until I ever get her to vet, I don't want to expose her to my other babies I even have Timmy, her baby.Who I had to bottle feed 'cause the j*rk that dumped them, put them in a cardboard box Of course, Mom got out, but I had her 2 teeny babies The other baby, Thomas, was adopted, but Timmy won't have any of that [He did get adopted while I was in hosp
