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Lee You said this so well. Thank you. I always tell people that that particular life is important to the being that is living it. I don't know if it sinks in, but it's actually very simple! Crazy as it may sound, I was in the theatre 21 years ago watching city slickers. When billy crystal was trying to save Norman the calf I decided to quit eating meat. His life was worth being saved, just because it is a life, not because he is dollars in someone else's eyes. I know it was just a movie, but the insinuations in that movie had a huge impact on me. Life is life, no matter what form that life takes. Then when they herded all the cattle in and the rancher informed them that the cattle were headed for slaughter because their life isn't a very good life anyway. That sealed the deal for me. How can ANYONE decide that? Even though we're still talking about a movie, this is the general mindset. So anyway, thank you so much for the beautiful way you wrote this. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jun 3, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: It's so much easier to slap a label on someone then to ask them why they are doing what they are doing. The problem is that they don't see that the life force that is in humans is also in every other living being. To them, cats are rocks. They can't see beyond their own bare hide to the spirit inside the furry hide of a cat, wolf, dog, cow, sheep and other animals. Even non furry beings have a right to live. They can't seem to get the message that there's nothing crazy about caring about or for other individuals on this planet. Lack of awareness is the basis for all racism, ageism and misogyny. It's unfortunate that the brain is fast becoming a vestigial organ. More soap from my soapbox. From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters That sounds like Lincoln County, Mo. Everyone thinks I am crazy for having 7 cats and actually taking them to the vet when they are ill. And I let them come into the house! My nickname around here is Crazy Cat Lady. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem here is that I'm in Texas. Killing is the State Sport. Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats. They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats who are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting these cats in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that they are NOT included in the cat limit rule. They recently reduced the number of cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10. This makes no sense except when you realize that they will now charge for an excess animal permit. Then it makes sense to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now over the limit and have to purchase the permit. Nasty little tricks. People who have received a citation in the past for having over the permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit. More nonsense. From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . . -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely permanently mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the way soldiers are by combat---and that they either need intensive (life-long?) counseling to change their attitudes, or retirement. This I gleaned from HSUS' (not a big proponent of No Kill) book on compassion fatigue in the animal care community: http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076 -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters
I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . . -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely permanently mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the way soldiers are by combat---and that they either need intensive (life-long?) counseling to change their attitudes, or retirement. This I gleaned from HSUS' (not a big proponent of No Kill) book on compassion fatigue in the animal care community: http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076 On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Around 12 years ago, that was the method San Antonio's Animal Control facility used to kill cats and dogs. They hooked a pick-up truck to an opening in the wall of a small room. They filled the room with unwanted cats and dogs - all together, not even separating them by species, and turned on the truck's engine. They then shoveled the animals out onto another pick-up and off to the landfill they went. Some were only half dead. When this horror was exposed to the public, 200 people showed up in a protest rally and kept showing up until a regular gas chamber was installed. Then we had to do it all over to get the death by lethal injection method approved. San Antonio is finally realizing that death is not the answer at all but they are still using the injection to kill. More advanced thinking people are now trying to get the pound to go no-kill. Unfortunately, most of the officers there are left over from the ugly past and catch and kill still prevails. But at least the City has recognized TNR as a legitimate way to deal with Community Cats (formerly known as ferals). Maybe someday. -- -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life: http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters
The problem here is that I'm in Texas. Killing is the State Sport. Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats. They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats who are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting these cats in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that they are NOT included in the cat limit rule. They recently reduced the number of cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10. This makes no sense except when you realize that they will now charge for an excess animal permit. Then it makes sense to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now over the limit and have to purchase the permit. Nasty little tricks. People who have received a citation in the past for having over the permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit. More nonsense. It would help if all the ACO's were required to read the new codes and then be tested on whether or not they understand them. The citizens of this city don't know the rules either. Cat haters are terrorizing cat caring neighbors, threatening them with reporting them when there's nothing to report because the cat caregivers are actually in compliance. I think that ignorance is our worst enemy. Even when we get good ordinances, they don't work because no one knows about them. From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . . -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely permanently mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the way soldiers are by combat---and that they either need intensive (life-long?) counseling to change their attitudes, or retirement. This I gleaned from HSUS' (not a big proponent of No Kill) book on compassion fatigue in the animal care community: http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076 -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That sounds like Lincoln County, Mo. Everyone thinks I am crazy for having 7 cats and actually taking them to the vet when they are ill. And I let them come into the house! My nickname around here is Crazy Cat Lady. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem here is that I'm in Texas. Killing is the State Sport. Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats. They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats who are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting these cats in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that they are NOT included in the cat limit rule. They recently reduced the number of cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10. This makes no sense except when you realize that they will now charge for an excess animal permit. Then it makes sense to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now over the limit and have to purchase the permit. Nasty little tricks. People who have received a citation in the past for having over the permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit. More nonsense. It would help if all the ACO's were required to read the new codes and then be tested on whether or not they understand them. The citizens of this city don't know the rules either. Cat haters are terrorizing cat caring neighbors, threatening them with reporting them when there's nothing to report because the cat caregivers are actually in compliance. I think that ignorance is our worst enemy. Even when we get good ordinances, they don't work because no one knows about them. From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . . -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely permanently mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the way soldiers are by combat---and that they either need intensive (life-long?) counseling to change their attitudes, or retirement. This I gleaned from HSUS' (not a big proponent of No Kill) book on compassion fatigue in the animal care community: http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076 -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters
It's so much easier to slap a label on someone then to ask them why they are doing what they are doing. The problem is that they don't see that the life force that is in humans is also in every other living being. To them, cats are rocks. They can't see beyond their own bare hide to the spirit inside the furry hide of a cat, wolf, dog, cow, sheep and other animals. Even non furry beings have a right to live. They can't seem to get the message that there's nothing crazy about caring about or for other individuals on this planet. Lack of awareness is the basis for all racism, ageism and misogyny. It's unfortunate that the brain is fast becoming a vestigial organ. More soap from my soapbox. From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters That sounds like Lincoln County, Mo. Everyone thinks I am crazy for having 7 cats and actually taking them to the vet when they are ill. And I let them come into the house! My nickname around here is Crazy Cat Lady. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem here is that I'm in Texas. Killing is the State Sport. Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats. They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats who are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting these cats in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that they are NOT included in the cat limit rule. They recently reduced the number of cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10. This makes no sense except when you realize that they will now charge for an excess animal permit. Then it makes sense to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now over the limit and have to purchase the permit. Nasty little tricks. People who have received a citation in the past for having over the permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit. More nonsense. From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . . -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely permanently mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the way soldiers are by combat---and that they either need intensive (life-long?) counseling to change their attitudes, or retirement. This I gleaned from HSUS' (not a big proponent of No Kill) book on compassion fatigue in the animal care community: http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076 -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What do you mean by ``rules''? Laws? If they are not in compliance with laws, then turn them in. (Of course, if you're a rescuer pulling from these pounds, then you have to protect yourself using the federal law Section 1982: http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=728 As for the citizens, put ads in the papers, and maybe even send out informative flyers (ask for the money to do so via a Chipin). You can also try to get social media attention via the various animal blogs that push shelter reform, e.g., YesBiscuit!. Who holds the contract with the pound? Don't give up. It may take years, and we're seeing progress even in TX. Probably the moderator would like us to take this offline by now. . . On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem here is that I'm in Texas. Killing is the State Sport. Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats. They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats who are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting these cats in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that they are NOT included in the cat limit rule. They recently reduced the number of cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10. This makes no sense except when you realize that they will now charge for an excess animal permit. Then it makes sense to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now over the limit and have to purchase the permit. Nasty little tricks. People who have received a citation in the past for having over the permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit. More nonsense. It would help if all the ACO's were required to read the new codes and then be tested on whether or not they understand them. The citizens of this city don't know the rules either. Cat haters are terrorizing cat caring neighbors, threatening them with reporting them when there's nothing to report because the cat caregivers are actually in compliance. I think that ignorance is our worst enemy. Even when we get good ordinances, they don't work because no one knows about them. -- *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . . -- Forwarded message -- From: *Kathryn Hargreaves* khargrea...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely permanently mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the way soldiers are by combat---and that they either need intensive (life-long?) counseling to change their attitudes, or retirement. This I gleaned from HSUS' (not a big proponent of No Kill) book on compassion fatigue in the animal care community: http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076 -- -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life: http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Speciesism, too. On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: It's so much easier to slap a label on someone then to ask them why they are doing what they are doing. The problem is that they don't see that the life force that is in humans is also in every other living being. To them, cats are rocks. They can't see beyond their own bare hide to the spirit inside the furry hide of a cat, wolf, dog, cow, sheep and other animals. Even non furry beings have a right to live. They can't seem to get the message that there's nothing crazy about caring about or for other individuals on this planet. Lack of awareness is the basis for all racism, ageism and misogyny. It's unfortunate that the brain is fast becoming a vestigial organ. More soap from my soapbox. -- *From:* dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Cc:* Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Sunday, June 3, 2012 6:09 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters That sounds like Lincoln County, Mo. Everyone thinks I am crazy for having 7 cats and actually taking them to the vet when they are ill. And I let them come into the house! My nickname around here is Crazy Cat Lady. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem here is that I'm in Texas. Killing is the State Sport. Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats. They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats who are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting these cats in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that they are NOT included in the cat limit rule. They recently reduced the number of cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10. This makes no sense except when you realize that they will now charge for an excess animal permit. Then it makes sense to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now over the limit and have to purchase the permit. Nasty little tricks. People who have received a citation in the past for having over the permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit. More nonsense. From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . . -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely permanently mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the way soldiers are by combat---and that they either need intensive (life-long?) counseling to change their attitudes, or retirement. This I gleaned from HSUS' (not a big proponent of No Kill) book on compassion fatigue in the animal care community: http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076 -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life: http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
