Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
Heather, Give me a call at 740-992-5782. I am a graduate of Ohio State University. An Animal Scientist with over 34 years of experience. I will help you with any information I possibly can. Karen Griffith - Original Message - From: Heather Wienker To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard Hello, I first joined this group a year ago in regards to a double-positive Mom and her kittens. All kittens cleared FIV, remained + for Leuk. Only the two who stayed together remain, and one has crashed hard. I am not his caretaker but what I know is, he had a dental a little over a month ago due to stomatitis (lots of drooling mouth pain). That went well, then a few days ago he crashed very hard, not eating, not drinking, crying in pain...losing weight rapidly. He is to go to the vet today, but has anyone pulled a Leukemia+ kitty through a serious crash? We are looking into Imulan but right now the caregiver fears he is suffering and can't wait for treatment. We don't want him to die on IV's in a hospital. His little Sister is very close to him, we always thought she'd go first as she's so much more fragile, we are so scared of not just losing this precious kitty, but also how it will affect his Sister. Hobbs' caretaker loves him very, very much and the prospect of losing him is very painful for her. Any suggestions are appreciated, thank you for listening- Heather
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
Heather, I forgot to mention I have myself pulled over 15 cats successfully through crashes and helped many other individuals through multiple crisis. Karen - Original Message - From: Heather Wienker To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard Hello, I first joined this group a year ago in regards to a double-positive Mom and her kittens. All kittens cleared FIV, remained + for Leuk. Only the two who stayed together remain, and one has crashed hard. I am not his caretaker but what I know is, he had a dental a little over a month ago due to stomatitis (lots of drooling mouth pain). That went well, then a few days ago he crashed very hard, not eating, not drinking, crying in pain...losing weight rapidly. He is to go to the vet today, but has anyone pulled a Leukemia+ kitty through a serious crash? We are looking into Imulan but right now the caregiver fears he is suffering and can't wait for treatment. We don't want him to die on IV's in a hospital. His little Sister is very close to him, we always thought she'd go first as she's so much more fragile, we are so scared of not just losing this precious kitty, but also how it will affect his Sister. Hobbs' caretaker loves him very, very much and the prospect of losing him is very painful for her. Any suggestions are appreciated, thank you for listening- Heather
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
Bailey had bad stomastisis and also ended up with pancreatitis, his symptoms started with lethargy and not eating very much, he didn't cry out but was very uncomfortable when I fed him (he had a feeding tube because he ate nothing on his own). He even ran from me one time when it was feeding time. His temperature and blood pressure were low (low blood pressure can be a symptom of pain). He also had chronic diarrhea. We didn't ever do the test for it because my vet felt his glucose and amalyese where within normal range so he probably didn't have it, I asked her about it, I really felt in my gut he had it. We did ultra sounds, xrays and didn't find it, all we saw were a slightly enlarged spleen, his pancreatitis went untreated and turned into cancer which killed him after about 6 months of being sick. In hindsight I wish I had insisted on the test for pancreatitis, we may have been able to rteat it before it turned into cancer ... ALWAYS go with your gut if you have a gut feeling. Prayers for Hobbs you can figure out what is going on with him. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
Did Hobbs have his teeth pulled?? If the dental didn't work with some cats the only relief is having all *but* their canines and the tiny teeth in between them pulled. This is what we ended up doing with Bailey, he was fine after that and got to be a little pudgy even until the anemia and other problems started. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
Here is a link on how to Texas AM GI lab on how to handle the blood sample if the vet is not familiar with the protocol for a fPLI test. http://www.cvm.tamu.edu/gilab/assays/sampleguidelines.shtml As I understand it the test costs approx $100, the cat must fast for 12 hrs before the test and it takes up to 10 days to get the results. Folks I know with a pancreatitis kitty give them fluids, and a pain med like buprenorphine (Buprenex). Never give a cat Metacam for the pain. Most of the cats were assist fed thru the crash. Hugs to Hobbs Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bailey had bad stomastisis and also ended up with pancreatitis, his symptoms started with lethargy and not eating very much, he didn't cry out but was very uncomfortable when I fed him (he had a feeding tube because he ate nothing on his own). He even ran from me one time when it was feeding time. His temperature and blood pressure were low (low blood pressure can be a symptom of pain). He also had chronic diarrhea. We didn't ever do the test for it because my vet felt his glucose and amalyese where within normal range so he probably didn't have it, I asked her about it, I really felt in my gut he had it. We did ultra sounds, xrays and didn't find it, all we saw were a slightly enlarged spleen, his pancreatitis went untreated and turned into cancer which killed him after about 6 months of being sick. In hindsight I wish I had insisted on the test for pancreatitis, we may have been able to rteat it before it turned into cancer ... ALWAYS go with your gut if you have a gut feeling. Prayers for Hobbs you can figure out what is going on with him. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
Hello, I first joined this group a year ago in regards to a double-positive Mom and her kittens. All kittens cleared FIV, remained + for Leuk. Only the two who stayed together remain, and one has crashed hard. I am not his caretaker but what I know is, he had a dental a little over a month ago due to stomatitis (lots of drooling mouth pain). That went well, then a few days ago he crashed very hard, not eating, not drinking, crying in pain...losing weight rapidly. He is to go to the vet today, but has anyone pulled a Leukemia+ kitty through a serious crash? We are looking into Imulan but right now the caregiver fears he is suffering and can't wait for treatment. We don't want him to die on IV's in a hospital. His little Sister is very close to him, we always thought she'd go first as she's so much more fragile, we are so scared of not just losing this precious kitty, but also how it will affect his Sister. Hobbs' caretaker loves him very, very much and the prospect of losing him is very painful for her. Any suggestions are appreciated, thank you for listening- Heather
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
Let me clarify--my understanding is that he is crying in pain when touched, but also possibly even without being touched. On 4/28/08, Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I first joined this group a year ago in regards to a double-positive Mom and her kittens. All kittens cleared FIV, remained + for Leuk. Only the two who stayed together remain, and one has crashed hard. I am not his caretaker but what I know is, he had a dental a little over a month ago due to stomatitis (lots of drooling mouth pain). That went well, then a few days ago he crashed very hard, not eating, not drinking, crying in pain...losing weight rapidly. He is to go to the vet today, but has anyone pulled a Leukemia+ kitty through a serious crash? We are looking into Imulan but right now the caregiver fears he is suffering and can't wait for treatment. We don't want him to die on IV's in a hospital. His little Sister is very close to him, we always thought she'd go first as she's so much more fragile, we are so scared of not just losing this precious kitty, but also how it will affect his Sister. Hobbs' caretaker loves him very, very much and the prospect of losing him is very painful for her. Any suggestions are appreciated, thank you for listening- Heather
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
My prayers are with you. When Junior crashed that was it his body was shutting down that fast. He was having breathing issues and possible congestive heart failure. He did have a murmur. I do not think he was in pain. Sally On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I first joined this group a year ago in regards to a double-positive Mom and her kittens. All kittens cleared FIV, remained + for Leuk. Only the two who stayed together remain, and one has crashed hard. I am not his caretaker but what I know is, he had a dental a little over a month ago due to stomatitis (lots of drooling mouth pain). That went well, then a few days ago he crashed very hard, not eating, not drinking, crying in pain...losing weight rapidly. He is to go to the vet today, but has anyone pulled a Leukemia+ kitty through a serious crash? We are looking into Imulan but right now the caregiver fears he is suffering and can't wait for treatment. We don't want him to die on IV's in a hospital. His little Sister is very close to him, we always thought she'd go first as she's so much more fragile, we are so scared of not just losing this precious kitty, but also how it will affect his Sister. Hobbs' caretaker loves him very, very much and the prospect of losing him is very painful for her. Any suggestions are appreciated, thank you for listening- Heather -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
Heather, Isabella would cry out if touched and had unexlained tremors (we thought she was dead at least twice) and high fever. She was anemic. She pulled through with care from internal med specialist. We had her on antitiobics and pred and painkillers, interferon and feline transfer factor. She did not quit eating which helped tremendously. She had ultrasound which showed slightly enlarged spleen. Nothing else. I wish for you that you will get some answers... please let us know what her person finds out? - Original Message - From: Heather Wienker To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard Hello, I first joined this group a year ago in regards to a double-positive Mom and her kittens. All kittens cleared FIV, remained + for Leuk. Only the two who stayed together remain, and one has crashed hard. I am not his caretaker but what I know is, he had a dental a little over a month ago due to stomatitis (lots of drooling mouth pain). That went well, then a few days ago he crashed very hard, not eating, not drinking, crying in pain...losing weight rapidly. He is to go to the vet today, but has anyone pulled a Leukemia+ kitty through a serious crash? We are looking into Imulan but right now the caregiver fears he is suffering and can't wait for treatment. We don't want him to die on IV's in a hospital. His little Sister is very close to him, we always thought she'd go first as she's so much more fragile, we are so scared of not just losing this precious kitty, but also how it will affect his Sister. Hobbs' caretaker loves him very, very much and the prospect of losing him is very painful for her. Any suggestions are appreciated, thank you for listening- Heather
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
ah, i'm sorry to hear about hobbs: i think your question is impossible for any of us to answer because we can't know if he's crashing because of FeLV complications, or something else--only the vet can answer that one probably by the time you read this, they'll be home, but a question i've learned to ask my vets is this one: what would you do if he/she were YOUR cat? you often get very different answers when you phrase things that way. also, depending on exactly what is going on, sometimes when there is nothing more to do--and if there's a way to figure out what is causing him to cry, and if there's anything that can be done to alleviate that, there are alternatives to leaving them at the vet's office when it's clear that their journey here is almost done. but again, we can't know what's in hobbs' best interest, which is of course what loving him is all about. GLOW for things to happen in as peaceful and gentle a manner as they are meant to. MC On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I first joined this group a year ago in regards to a double-positive Mom and her kittens. All kittens cleared FIV, remained + for Leuk. Only the two who stayed together remain, and one has crashed hard. I am not his caretaker but what I know is, he had a dental a little over a month ago due to stomatitis (lots of drooling mouth pain). That went well, then a few days ago he crashed very hard, not eating, not drinking, crying in pain...losing weight rapidly. He is to go to the vet today, but has anyone pulled a Leukemia+ kitty through a serious crash? We are looking into Imulan but right now the caregiver fears he is suffering and can't wait for treatment. We don't want him to die on IV's in a hospital. His little Sister is very close to him, we always thought she'd go first as she's so much more fragile, we are so scared of not just losing this precious kitty, but also how it will affect his Sister. Hobbs' caretaker loves him very, very much and the prospect of losing him is very painful for her. Any suggestions are appreciated, thank you for listening- Heather -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
I'm so sorry to read that Hobbs is crashing. I haven't had to deal with that yet. What you are describing sounds a lot like an acute pancreatitis attack. Pancreatitis can only be dx by a special blood test fPLI done at TAMU or maybe by an ultra sound if it is done by an experienced person. Here is the link to a good pancreatitis board that would have more info. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_pancreatitis_support/ Pancreatitis can be treated and controlled for many kitties. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I first joined this group a year ago in regards to a double-positive Mom and her kittens. All kittens cleared FIV, remained + for Leuk. Only the two who stayed together remain, and one has crashed hard. I am not his caretaker but what I know is, he had a dental a little over a month ago due to stomatitis (lots of drooling mouth pain). That went well, then a few days ago he crashed very hard, not eating, not drinking, crying in pain...losing weight rapidly. He is to go to the vet today, but has anyone pulled a Leukemia+ kitty through a serious crash? We are looking into Imulan but right now the caregiver fears he is suffering and can't wait for treatment. We don't want him to die on IV's in a hospital. His little Sister is very close to him, we always thought she'd go first as she's so much more fragile, we are so scared of not just losing this precious kitty, but also how it will affect his Sister. Hobbs' caretaker loves him very, very much and the prospect of losing him is very painful for her. Any suggestions are appreciated, thank you for listening- Heather - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
Frankie's pancreatitis is controlled by eating lite canned food. L - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard I'm so sorry to read that Hobbs is crashing. I haven't had to deal with that yet. What you are describing sounds a lot like an acute pancreatitis attack. Pancreatitis can only be dx by a special blood test fPLI done at TAMU or maybe by an ultra sound if it is done by an experienced person. Here is the link to a good pancreatitis board that would have more info. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_pancreatitis_support/ Pancreatitis can be treated and controlled for many kitties. Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I first joined this group a year ago in regards to a double-positive Mom and her kittens. All kittens cleared FIV, remained + for Leuk. Only the two who stayed together remain, and one has crashed hard. I am not his caretaker but what I know is, he had a dental a little over a month ago due to stomatitis (lots of drooling mouth pain). That went well, then a few days ago he crashed very hard, not eating, not drinking, crying in pain...losing weight rapidly. He is to go to the vet today, but has anyone pulled a Leukemia+ kitty through a serious crash? We are looking into Imulan but right now the caregiver fears he is suffering and can't wait for treatment. We don't want him to die on IV's in a hospital. His little Sister is very close to him, we always thought she'd go first as she's so much more fragile, we are so scared of not just losing this precious kitty, but also how it will affect his Sister. Hobbs' caretaker loves him very, very much and the prospect of losing him is very painful for her. Any suggestions are appreciated, thank you for listening- Heather -- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Hobbs, 1 Yr. old FELV, crashing hard
Heather, I have pulled 2 back that were very sick. I later lost one though when she got so bad I felt her quality of life was so poor that I should let her go. Only the cat's mom can really make the decision. Is the cat easy to medicate? stressed by the vet? etc these kinds of questions only she can answer and assess what to do. I'm so sorry. tonya Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I first joined this group a year ago in regards to a double-positive Mom and her kittens. All kittens cleared FIV, remained + for Leuk. Only the two who stayed together remain, and one has crashed hard. I am not his caretaker but what I know is, he had a dental a little over a month ago due to stomatitis (lots of drooling mouth pain). That went well, then a few days ago he crashed very hard, not eating, not drinking, crying in pain...losing weight rapidly. He is to go to the vet today, but has anyone pulled a Leukemia+ kitty through a serious crash? We are looking into Imulan but right now the caregiver fears he is suffering and can't wait for treatment. We don't want him to die on IV's in a hospital. His little Sister is very close to him, we always thought she'd go first as she's so much more fragile, we are so scared of not just losing this precious kitty, but also how it will affect his Sister. Hobbs' caretaker loves him very, very much and the prospect of losing him is very painful for her. Any suggestions are appreciated, thank you for listening- Heather
