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Well I figured out a system if I do trap her. I can take her to all night vet for testing and they'll put her into a big dog kennel like they did the kitten last night. Its costly but its worth my peace of mind at this point. She's out there right now and I know she's hungry but she's spooked by the trap. I had the trap set from early this AM but she's used to being fed by my father this time of night and sure enough, she was by the apt when we came back from dinner! I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I always trap during the day and I always supervise the trap while it is set. I am fortunate to be able to do this. I don't leave set traps unattended for the reasons mentioned by Marlyn. When we were under the gun to get a family trapped before a building was demolished, we actually took shifts watching the set traps ps my experience with ferals is they have been terrified and squeezed agst the back of the trap. The only feisty critters I've encountered are raccoons I've trapped (and released). This is another reason I stopped setting traps at night! GOOD LUCK!! - Original Message - From: Marylyn <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... It is one thing to trap a cat, transport it in the trap to a safe, sheltered place (in my case a closed garage with a towel, blanket etc over the cage to help calm the cat) and leaving a trapped cage in the open where it can be frightened if not harmed by other critters or by mean spirited people. I would never try to get a feral cat to a vet without some sort of restraint--for my protection and the cat's. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... I've always heard that you shouldn't leave a trapped cat for more than a couple hours. I usually withdrew all food by 6pm and then got up around 3 or 4am to set the traps. (I had to arrive at the spay clinic no later than 6.30am) Good point Kelley makes about the clinics---I had a horrible experience where I took a feral cat to a clinic in a carrier and the manager turned me away---luckily the wonderful clinic vet overheard her yelling at me (yup!, yelling!) and stepped in and took care of the cat. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... Everyone I have ever seen has left them in the trap overnight - in fact you are required to bring them to the low cost spay neuter clinic in traps, so I have no advice on this. They do get "trap savvy" very easily and you can't keep re-trapping them, often you only get one shot at it. On Jan 8, 2008 6:43 PM, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night with no food, water or litter box.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... This is some good trapping advice. http://tinyurl.com/32zpor Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping advice from BF: http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475 <http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?
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I always trap during the day and I always supervise the trap while it is set. I am fortunate to be able to do this. I don't leave set traps unattended for the reasons mentioned by Marlyn. When we were under the gun to get a family trapped before a building was demolished, we actually took shifts watching the set traps ps my experience with ferals is they have been terrified and squeezed agst the back of the trap. The only feisty critters I've encountered are raccoons I've trapped (and released). This is another reason I stopped setting traps at night! GOOD LUCK!! - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... It is one thing to trap a cat, transport it in the trap to a safe, sheltered place (in my case a closed garage with a towel, blanket etc over the cage to help calm the cat) and leaving a trapped cage in the open where it can be frightened if not harmed by other critters or by mean spirited people. I would never try to get a feral cat to a vet without some sort of restraint--for my protection and the cat's. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... I've always heard that you shouldn't leave a trapped cat for more than a couple hours. I usually withdrew all food by 6pm and then got up around 3 or 4am to set the traps. (I had to arrive at the spay clinic no later than 6.30am) Good point Kelley makes about the clinics---I had a horrible experience where I took a feral cat to a clinic in a carrier and the manager turned me away---luckily the wonderful clinic vet overheard her yelling at me (yup!, yelling!) and stepped in and took care of the cat. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... Everyone I have ever seen has left them in the trap overnight - in fact you are required to bring them to the low cost spay neuter clinic in traps, so I have no advice on this. They do get "trap savvy" very easily and you can't keep re-trapping them, often you only get one shot at it. On Jan 8, 2008 6:43 PM, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night with no food, water or litter box.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... This is some good trapping advice. http://tinyurl.com/32zpor Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping advice from BF: http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475&g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't take them unless I have FELV test done-I didn't argue thought it makes my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may require overnight.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888
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It is one thing to trap a cat, transport it in the trap to a safe, sheltered place (in my case a closed garage with a towel, blanket etc over the cage to help calm the cat) and leaving a trapped cage in the open where it can be frightened if not harmed by other critters or by mean spirited people. I would never try to get a feral cat to a vet without some sort of restraint--for my protection and the cat's. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... I've always heard that you shouldn't leave a trapped cat for more than a couple hours. I usually withdrew all food by 6pm and then got up around 3 or 4am to set the traps. (I had to arrive at the spay clinic no later than 6.30am) Good point Kelley makes about the clinics---I had a horrible experience where I took a feral cat to a clinic in a carrier and the manager turned me away---luckily the wonderful clinic vet overheard her yelling at me (yup!, yelling!) and stepped in and took care of the cat. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... Everyone I have ever seen has left them in the trap overnight - in fact you are required to bring them to the low cost spay neuter clinic in traps, so I have no advice on this. They do get "trap savvy" very easily and you can't keep re-trapping them, often you only get one shot at it. On Jan 8, 2008 6:43 PM, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night with no food, water or litter box.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... This is some good trapping advice. http://tinyurl.com/32zpor Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping advice from BF: http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475&g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't take them unless I have FELV test done-I didn't argue thought it makes my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may require overnight.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Kachur Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!!
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Got it-I know I can do that if I have to. but boy, I hope I don't! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I put a yardstick under the door and through the openings on each side of the door. The yardstick or other stick runs through the top or second down openings on either side of the door, when it is open. The door on mine swings up. Good luck! I pray it will work tonight L - Original Message - From: Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... I am hoping against hope that mom cat will go in the trap tonight.. its my last night here and I know my parents can't handle trapping! How do you set the trap so that it doesn't spring-just in case I can get somebody to help in a few days.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I used to leave the trap out for at least a week before setting it. I would prop the door open and put food in the trap. It's always worked for me. - Original Message - From: Marylyn <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I'm a big fan of Feliway spray and Cat Nap. It helps calm the cat and the Feliway apparently smells like cat. The Feliway has helped me win over several cats. Keep an eye on the trap so the little ones don't stay captured and unattended. Right now I am trying to trap some at my Mom's. I am leaving the trap so it will not spring so they get used to it. I know. It doesn't seem fair to lull them into a sense of security but they really do need to be spayed. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed everyday. I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats
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I put a yardstick under the door and through the openings on each side of the door. The yardstick or other stick runs through the top or second down openings on either side of the door, when it is open. The door on mine swings up. Good luck! I pray it will work tonight L - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... I am hoping against hope that mom cat will go in the trap tonight.. its my last night here and I know my parents can't handle trapping! How do you set the trap so that it doesn't spring-just in case I can get somebody to help in a few days.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I used to leave the trap out for at least a week before setting it. I would prop the door open and put food in the trap. It's always worked for me. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I'm a big fan of Feliway spray and Cat Nap. It helps calm the cat and the Feliway apparently smells like cat. The Feliway has helped me win over several cats. Keep an eye on the trap so the little ones don't stay captured and unattended. Right now I am trying to trap some at my Mom's. I am leaving the trap so it will not spring so they get used to it. I know. It doesn't seem fair to lull them into a sense of security but they really do need to be spayed. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed everyday. I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats to sort of lure them in. I saw Mom today but she didn't go to eat. I'm hoping they come back. Does anyone have advice? Also, I have one trap and a big dog kennel so if I trap one, I'm not sure if I should try to get it into the dog kennel-not sure how to do this. A
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I am hoping against hope that mom cat will go in the trap tonight.. its my last night here and I know my parents can't handle trapping! How do you set the trap so that it doesn't spring-just in case I can get somebody to help in a few days.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I used to leave the trap out for at least a week before setting it. I would prop the door open and put food in the trap. It's always worked for me. - Original Message - From: Marylyn <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I'm a big fan of Feliway spray and Cat Nap. It helps calm the cat and the Feliway apparently smells like cat. The Feliway has helped me win over several cats. Keep an eye on the trap so the little ones don't stay captured and unattended. Right now I am trying to trap some at my Mom's. I am leaving the trap so it will not spring so they get used to it. I know. It doesn't seem fair to lull them into a sense of security but they really do need to be spayed. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed everyday. I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats to sort of lure them in. I saw Mom today but she didn't go to eat. I'm hoping they come back. Does anyone have advice? Also, I have one trap and a big dog kennel so if I trap one, I'm not sure if I should try to get it into the dog kennel-not sure how to do this. Any and all advice would be most appreciated! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I used to leave the trap out for at least a week before setting it. I would prop the door open and put food in the trap. It's always worked for me. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I'm a big fan of Feliway spray and Cat Nap. It helps calm the cat and the Feliway apparently smells like cat. The Feliway has helped me win over several cats. Keep an eye on the trap so the little ones don't stay captured and unattended. Right now I am trying to trap some at my Mom's. I am leaving the trap so it will not spring so they get used to it. I know. It doesn't seem fair to lull them into a sense of security but they really do need to be spayed. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed everyday. I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats to sort of lure them in. I saw Mom today but she didn't go to eat. I'm hoping they come back. Does anyone have advice? Also, I have one trap and a big dog kennel so if I trap one, I'm not sure if I should try to get it into the dog kennel-not sure how to do this. Any and all advice would be most appreciated! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm a big fan of Feliway spray and Cat Nap. It helps calm the cat and the Feliway apparently smells like cat. The Feliway has helped me win over several cats. Keep an eye on the trap so the little ones don't stay captured and unattended. Right now I am trying to trap some at my Mom's. I am leaving the trap so it will not spring so they get used to it. I know. It doesn't seem fair to lull them into a sense of security but they really do need to be spayed. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed everyday. I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats to sort of lure them in. I saw Mom today but she didn't go to eat. I'm hoping they come back. Does anyone have advice? Also, I have one trap and a big dog kennel so if I trap one, I'm not sure if I should try to get it into the dog kennel-not sure how to do this. Any and all advice would be most appreciated! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear Chris Bless you for helping these little sweethearts. The wonderful former listmember Hideyo told me this trick years ago when I needed to transfer a trapped cat to a cat carrier. It worked like a charm, and hopefully it will work for a kennel too. It's based on the fact that, in her vast experience, cats in a light place will always be drawn to a dark place! Basically, here's what you do: First, trap cat. Then, don't cover the trap with blanket or anything--leave it uncovered. Position the trap so that its door (see note below) is positioned head-on against the open entrance of the kennel. Cover the entire kennel and the "join" where the kennel and trap meet with a dark blanket or towel. Raise trap door. Cat should walk from the light, airy trap into the dark kennel. Mine did exactly that, and did it immediately. I was amazed! Note: It's a while since I've used a trap but as I recall the back of a trap has a door that you can raise directly vertically (as opposed to at an angle). This vertical door is of course the end that you wd place against the kennel so that there's no space the cat can escape through--just a direct walkway into the kennel! Just in case the cat did escape, and I had to do the chase-and-catch routine, I set everything up in the bathroom. As the floor space was too small to place the trap and carrier end to end, I put a large piece of board over my bathtub and placed the trap and carrier end to end on that. At this height it was also easier to see what was going on. Good luck! Let us know how it goes when you get a moment. Kerry M. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night with no food, water or litter box Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... This is some good trapping advice. http://tinyurl.com/32zpor Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping advice from BF: http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475&g=3042316787ce4a6 e8eb13f7e1c31758d On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. - Original Message - From: Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't take them unless I have FELV test done-I didn't argue thought it makes my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may require overnight Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Kachur Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping...
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I've always heard that you shouldn't leave a trapped cat for more than a couple hours. I usually withdrew all food by 6pm and then got up around 3 or 4am to set the traps. (I had to arrive at the spay clinic no later than 6.30am) Good point Kelley makes about the clinics---I had a horrible experience where I took a feral cat to a clinic in a carrier and the manager turned me away---luckily the wonderful clinic vet overheard her yelling at me (yup!, yelling!) and stepped in and took care of the cat. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... Everyone I have ever seen has left them in the trap overnight - in fact you are required to bring them to the low cost spay neuter clinic in traps, so I have no advice on this. They do get "trap savvy" very easily and you can't keep re-trapping them, often you only get one shot at it. On Jan 8, 2008 6:43 PM, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night with no food, water or litter box Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... This is some good trapping advice. http://tinyurl.com/32zpor Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping advice from BF: http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475&g=3042316787ce4a6 e8eb13f7e1c31758d On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. - Original Message - From: Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't take them unless I have FELV test done-I didn't argue thought it makes my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may require overnight Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Kachur Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted the
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Trap with water and canned food in the trap. They will be fine overnight. Cover with a towel and place the trap in a quiet, dark, safe INSIDE place until you can get to vet. Most important thing is to keep them safe until they can get to vet. Trying to transfer is not safe. I always took the trapped cat directly to the vet in the trap (covered and placed in plastic in my vehicle). I always trapped in the AM so I could get them right to the vet. That's better, if you can do that, depending on your schedule and theirs. I set 2 traps at once and that sped things up. Good luck, L - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night with no food, water or litter box.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... This is some good trapping advice. http://tinyurl.com/32zpor Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping advice from BF: http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475&g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't take them unless I have FELV test done-I didn't argue thought it makes my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may require overnight.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Kachur Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed everyday. I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also
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sardines in oil and canned mackeral work well, too. - Original Message - From: Pat Kachur To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed everyday. I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats to sort of lure them in. I saw Mom today but she didn't go to eat. I'm hoping they come back. Does anyone have advice? Also, I have one trap and a big dog kennel so if I trap one, I'm not sure if I should try to get it into the dog kennel-not sure how to do this. Any and all advice would be most appreciated! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Go to the alley cat allies website. There is extensive information there that has helped me a great deal... Laurie - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed everyday. I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats to sort of lure them in. I saw Mom today but she didn't go to eat. I'm hoping they come back. Does anyone have advice? Also, I have one trap and a big dog kennel so if I trap one, I'm not sure if I should try to get it into the dog kennel-not sure how to do this. Any and all advice would be most appreciated! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Here is information on watering/feeding the cat in the trap. DOn't worry about litterbox, put newspaper down and put trap on an area easily cleaned. http://www.americancat.net/trapcatcare.html On Jan 8, 2008 6:49 PM, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Everyone I have ever seen has left them in the trap overnight - in fact > you are required to bring them to the low cost spay neuter clinic in traps, > so I have no advice on this. They do get "trap savvy" very easily and you > can't keep re-trapping them, often you only get one shot at it. > > > On Jan 8, 2008 6:43 PM, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If > > for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I > > could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night > > with no food, water or litter box…. > > > > > > > > *Christiane Biagi* > > > > *914-632-4672* > > > > *Cell: 914-720-6888* > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > *Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)* > > > > *www.findkpets.org* > > > > > > > > *Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals* > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM > > > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Subject:* Re: Advice on trapping... > > > > > > > > This is some good trapping advice. > > > > *http://tinyurl.com/32zpor* > > > > Also try Alley Cat Allies. > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here > > can't resist it. > > > > Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good > > trapping advice from BF: > > > > > > http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475&g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d > > > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the > > trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. > > > > - Original Message - > > > > * From:* Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM > > > > *Subject:* RE: Advice on trapping... > > > > > > > > Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter > > won't take them unless I have FELV test done—I didn't argue thought it makes > > my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may > > require overnight…. > > > > > > > > *Christiane Biagi* > > > > *914-632-4672* > > > > *Cell: 914-720-6888* > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > *Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)* > > > > *www.findkpets.org* > > > > > > > > *Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals* > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Pat Kachur > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Subject:* Re: Advice on trapping... > > > > > > > > I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna > > with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take > > him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other > > container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby > > that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. > > > > > > > > Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just > > don't know it yet!! +:) > > > > - Original Message - > > > > * From:* Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM > > > > *Subject:* Advice on trapping... > > > > > > > > I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some > > more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a > > little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in Oct
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Everyone I have ever seen has left them in the trap overnight - in fact you are required to bring them to the low cost spay neuter clinic in traps, so I have no advice on this. They do get "trap savvy" very easily and you can't keep re-trapping them, often you only get one shot at it. On Jan 8, 2008 6:43 PM, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If > for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I > could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night > with no food, water or litter box…. > > > > *Christiane Biagi* > > *914-632-4672* > > *Cell: 914-720-6888* > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > *Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)* > > *www.findkpets.org* > > > > *Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals* > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: Advice on trapping... > > > > This is some good trapping advice. > > *http://tinyurl.com/32zpor* > > Also try Alley Cat Allies. > > On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here > can't resist it. > > Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping > advice from BF: > > > http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475&g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the > trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. > > - Original Message - > > *From:* Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM > > *Subject:* RE: Advice on trapping... > > > > Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't > take them unless I have FELV test done—I didn't argue thought it makes my > blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may > require overnight…. > > > > *Christiane Biagi* > > *914-632-4672* > > *Cell: 914-720-6888* > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > *Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)* > > *www.findkpets.org* > > > > *Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals* > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Pat Kachur > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: Advice on trapping... > > > > I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna > with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take > him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other > container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby > that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. > > > > Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just > don't know it yet!! +:) > > - Original Message - > > *From:* Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM > > *Subject:* Advice on trapping... > > > > I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some > more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a > little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. > Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after > she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now > there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed > everyday. > > > > I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having > real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the > kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog > kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring > and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I > rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I > corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He > was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL > > > > Today I set the trap
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Is there any 'trick' to transferring from trap to large dog kennel? If for example, I trapped one tonight, I'd have to keep her overnight before I could go anywhere and I don't want to leave the cat in the trap all night with no food, water or litter box.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... This is some good trapping advice. http://tinyurl.com/32zpor Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping advice from BF: http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475 <http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475&g=3042316787ce4a6e8e b13f7e1c31758d> &g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. - Original Message - From: Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't take them unless I have FELV test done-I didn't argue thought it makes my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may require overnight.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Kachur Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed everyday. I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats to sort of lure them in. I saw Mom today but she didn't go to eat. I'm hoping they come back. Does anyone have advice? Also, I have one trap and a big dog kennel so if I trap one, I'm not sure if I should try to get it into the dog kennel-not sure how to do this. Any and all advice would be most appreciated! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart -- Rescuties - Savi
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This is some good trapping advice. *http://tinyurl.com/32zpor* Also try Alley Cat Allies. On Jan 8, 2008 6:13 PM, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here > can't resist it. > > Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping > advice from BF: > > > http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475&g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d > > > On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the > > trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. > > > > - Original Message - > > *From:* Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM > > *Subject:* RE: Advice on trapping... > > > > Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter > > won't take them unless I have FELV test done—I didn't argue thought it makes > > my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may > > require overnight…. > > > > > > > > *Christiane Biagi* > > > > *914-632-4672* > > > > *Cell: 914-720-6888* > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > *Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)* > > > > *www.findkpets.org* > > > > > > > > *Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals* > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Pat Kachur > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Subject:* Re: Advice on trapping... > > > > > > > > I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna > > with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take > > him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other > > container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby > > that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. > > > > > > > > Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just > > don't know it yet!! +:) > > > > - Original Message - > > > > * From:* Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM > > > > *Subject:* Advice on trapping... > > > > > > > > I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some > > more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a > > little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. > > Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after > > she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now > > there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed > > everyday. > > > > > > > > I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having > > real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the > > kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog > > kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring > > and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I > > rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I > > corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He > > was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL > > > > > > > > Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to > > cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet > > of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats to sort of lure them in. > > I saw Mom today but she didn't go to eat. I'm hoping they come back. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have advice? Also, I have one trap and a big dog kennel so > > if I trap one, I'm not sure if I should try to get it into the dog > > kennel—not sure how to do this… Any and all advice would be most > > appreciated! > > > > > > > > *Christiane Biagi* > > > > *914-632-4672* > > > > *Cell: 914-720-6888* > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 > > http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* > > Please help Clarissa! > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart > > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart
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I would leave the kitty in the trap. Try mackerel..the cats around here can't resist it. Although I wouldn't say these are untrappable, here is some good trapping advice from BF: http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/Detail.aspx?b=475&g=3042316787ce4a6e8eb13f7e1c31758d On Jan 8, 2008 5:59 PM, Pat Kachur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the > trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. > > - Original Message - > *From:* Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM > *Subject:* RE: Advice on trapping... > > Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't > take them unless I have FELV test done—I didn't argue thought it makes my > blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may > require overnight…. > > > > *Christiane Biagi* > > *914-632-4672* > > *Cell: 914-720-6888* > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > *Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)* > > *www.findkpets.org* > > > > *Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals* > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Pat Kachur > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: Advice on trapping... > > > > I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna > with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take > him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other > container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby > that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. > > > > Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just > don't know it yet!! +:) > > - Original Message - > > *From:* Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM > > *Subject:* Advice on trapping... > > > > I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some > more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a > little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. > Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after > she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now > there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed > everyday. > > > > I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having > real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the > kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog > kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring > and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I > rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I > corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He > was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL > > > > Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to > cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet > of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats to sort of lure them in. > I saw Mom today but she didn't go to eat. I'm hoping they come back. > > > > Does anyone have advice? Also, I have one trap and a big dog kennel so if > I trap one, I'm not sure if I should try to get it into the dog kennel—not > sure how to do this… Any and all advice would be most appreciated! > > > > *Christiane Biagi* > > *914-632-4672* > > *Cell: 914-720-6888* > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart
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Well, I would still take the kitty to the vet who does the test in the trap. The vet people can deal with that better than you or I. - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RE: Advice on trapping... Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't take them unless I have FELV test done-I didn't argue thought it makes my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may require overnight.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Kachur Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed everyday. I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats to sort of lure them in. I saw Mom today but she didn't go to eat. I'm hoping they come back. Does anyone have advice? Also, I have one trap and a big dog kennel so if I trap one, I'm not sure if I should try to get it into the dog kennel-not sure how to do this. Any and all advice would be most appreciated! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just got some dark tuna and will try that. Problem is that shelter won't take them unless I have FELV test done-I didn't argue thought it makes my blood boil. Sooo, I have to find someone to do the test and that may require overnight.. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Kachur Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Advice on trapping... I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed everyday. I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats to sort of lure them in. I saw Mom today but she didn't go to eat. I'm hoping they come back. Does anyone have advice? Also, I have one trap and a big dog kennel so if I trap one, I'm not sure if I should try to get it into the dog kennel-not sure how to do this. Any and all advice would be most appreciated! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would put the smelliest food you can think of (like dark, canned tuna with oil or salmon) in the trap. Also, if you catch one or the other, take him/her to the shelter in the trap. Don't try to transfer to any other container. Try to make sure there is no other food outside anywhere nearby that they could choose instead of what is in your trap. Good luck..you're doing a wonderful thing for the kitties--they just don't know it yet!! +:) - Original Message - From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: Advice on trapping... I'm in Tucson visiting my parents and have a dilemma that I thought some more experienced folks might help me with. My father's been feeding a little cat and her kittens since right after we spotted them in October. Mom is a young tortie who we believe someone dumped in their complex after she got pregnant. She had 3 kittens but sadly 2 didn't make it. So now there is her and one of her kittens and they are used to being fed everyday. I have finally found a no-kill shelter who can take them but am having real trouble catching them. Last night I really messed up. I had the kitten but managed to let him slip out when I went to put him in the big dog kennel that we have set up for feeding station. He ran off, it was pouring and though I did see him again, I'm sooo afraid he's really spooked. Then I rented a trap but messed up on setting it up and mom cat slipped out. I corrected my mistake and know I did it right cause I caught another cat. He was a wee bit surprised and scooted out as soon as I opened the trap! LOL Today I set the trap and put some fried chicken and fish. I was told to cover the trap so they can't see the food from the back. I also put a sheet of newspaper inside at the entrance w. some treats to sort of lure them in. I saw Mom today but she didn't go to eat. I'm hoping they come back. Does anyone have advice? Also, I have one trap and a big dog kennel so if I trap one, I'm not sure if I should try to get it into the dog kennel-not sure how to do this. Any and all advice would be most appreciated! Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED]