[Felvtalk] Fw: Re: opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 6:43 PM Thanks guys!! you are all AMAZING! thanks so much for the kind offers of monetary help but I just couldn't! the offer is wonderful, but keep your pennies for your babies and your local groups. I'm going to see about doing testing thru a rescue. GOOD NEWS - I met the kitty and he's in good health as are all other babies. She is just eccentric and leery of anyone taking any kitty, which I get. She doesn't like them to leave the home and is worried about that, but we have another possible home visit vet for at least the IFA. She is now comfortable with me getting him tested. I really don't think he's positive, but we'll see. He's 6 and healthy and gorgeous. I am not sure he's the best match for our guy though if he was positive :( The one I met already really seems like a good match. And I was just put in touch with another group that has 2 FeLV females but one is not good with other cats and the other is pending an IFA. It's so hard. I want to help all of them, but need to consider Whimsy's best interest. Still, we'll get this kitty in question checked out. You guys really helped me today because I was very concerned and couldn't sleep last night worrying about this situation. It's not perfect or resolved but at least we know this person is a good caretaker now and I didn't have to steal him away. Although I like Beverly's suggestion to do so --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 2:06 PM Here is the fundraising site http://www.chipin.com/overview --- ___ ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Debbie,
I think this is a great letter and one that should be
posted on every person's front door, since the ones
who need to read this letter, might not read the
paper.
I would be concerned with writing that you have 14
kittens, depending on what your city/county pet limit
laws might be. Even if there are no laws, I might not
add my last name. Might or might not put my initials.
Just to protect yourself should there be any backlash
from the article. You never know who might figure out
who these little angels actually belonged to before
they were dumped. A little public humiliation is a
good thing sometimes.
Again, great letter. I hope your efforts make a
difference!
:)
Wendy
--- Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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#ff;color: black;}This is a letter to the editor
of our local paper concerning the kittens we found
dumped over the weekend. My husband is afraid it will
cause trouble if they print it with a name and town.
What do you think? Myself, I doubt anyone will really
pay attention. I am curious to know what you guys
think.
Thanks for the input.
Debbie
Dear Editor,
On Sunday, May 27, Children's Home Bradford Rd.,
Greenville, someone pulled
into a path in a field, north, a little ways off of
127. My husband and I
were traveling to Lowe's and noticed this parked car
and also kittens beside
it. We thought oh, they must be picking them up. We
agreed we would
come
back the same route on the way home to make sure.
Unfortunately, on the way
back, we saw the kittens were still there. We pulled
over and got out. One
was lying squashed on the path, 2 snuggled up to the
small lifeless body.
Whoever dumped them must have run over one. Three more
came waddling up out
of the ditch. There were 6 total. We gathered the 5
left alive and placed
them in our van. My husband was kind enough that he
even picked up the dead
baby kitten and placed it in a bag, later he buried it
in our side yard. We
had our 2 Labradors with us - one which my husband had
found dumped outside
Bradford around Christmas time. She was only 4-5 weeks
old. The kittens
looked to be around 4-5 weeks old. We knew we could
not just leave them
because they would never have survived on their own.
We also knew that we
would not really be able to take on anymore because we
have 14 rescued ones
already (7 were found in a trash dumpster outside a
condo in Dayton). All
now spayed, neutered, shots, etc.
I called and left a message at the Darke County Humane
Society telling them
the whole story. We decided if worse came to worse we
would keep them until
they could be adopted out. Amazingly the Humane
Society phoned the next day.
They agreed to take the abandoned babies in. My
husband and I would like to
publicly thank them for that. We are so very grateful.
The lady that picked
them up had a nice clean carrier and bedding for them.
As to the people who constantly abandon, abuse, etc..
animals. What is wrong
with you? What gives you the right to take away life
of any kind? It always
amazes me that humans can be so cruel. Poor
defenseless creatures left to
die, no food, no shelter, no one to love them. Would
you do this to your
mother, your grandfather, your child? We seem to be
becoming a throw away
society. If someone or something doesn't fit our idea
of perfection or
if
taking care of them is an inconvenience - then we
just dispose of it.
Life
to many, seems cheap. I recall I had a neighbor years
ago that left his dog
have pups year after year. His 2 little girls would
love on them and play
with them. Later the pups would disappear. I was told
the father would take
them out and shoot them. Of course you couldn't prove
it, just like you
couldn't prove that he also had his little girls drown
kittens in their
swimming pool. Wonderful lessons to teach our
children, isn't it? Just like
dumping 6 defenseless kittens in an area where there
were no houses, no
people, or food.
How someone treats animals, in my opinion, is a
reflection of how they treat
others. It's sad to say that many people do not show a
respect for life. I
can only hope that the residents of Darke County will
educate themselves and
their children as to what being a responsible pet
owner means. If each
of
us puts forth at least a little effort (and monetary
support) we can help
control the over population of cats and dogs and the
unnecessary suffering
they often times endure. For all those dollars we
spend on lottery tickets,
a pack of cigarettes, a six pack of beer, that new MP3
player, etc.surely we
can spend some on a LIFE. Please consider donating to
the local Humane
Society or other animal welfare agencies.
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~
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Well said Taylor! Great ideas! :) Wendy --- Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, you can probably tell the newspaper editor your name, address and email address and request that you be known in the newspaper as Anonymous or Concerned Family or something. I'm pretty damn sure that newspapers honor requests like this. If I had written that letter I would send hard copies and emails, too, of your letter, with photos if possible, to, among others, the ASPCA in New York, Best Friends in Utah, The North Shore Animal League in New York, Animal Defense League (is that in CA?), Cat Fancy, and any other names that this loving cat group of animal people can think of. How about Catster.com? Right off the top of my sleepy head I cannot think of any other names, but I'll have some more by tomorrow. How about Art Bell at radio's Coast to Coast AM? He is an avowed cat adorer! (My mom's PR career bled off onto me more than I ever realized. The evidence is right here in front of you!) You can make a huge difference in the lives of these little ones and others. If you can get them on a TV morning show with the they'll be adopted so fast! And so many people will know and people will respond to your letter and to their placement on TV. It may very well help the Humane Society raise money for kitten care. We just never know. But the good you have done has already been multiplied by telling all of us, by telling the Darke County Humane Society, who came so quickly to their--and your--rescue and all the people THEY will tell and involve. And, believe me, those little babies will find a way to communicate to their sad, bewildered mommycat that they are now safe and loved, that they will always be loved (by their mommycat and then by you and your husband and your animal family, and now by all the Humane Society folks and by all of us). You never know--someone might even contact the Humane Society or the paper--someone who knows about the people in that car that you saw. We just never know. But you and your husband have shown more light into the ugly dark corners of the world. And light is what we need. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 31, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Debbie wrote: This is a letter to the editor of our local paper concerning the kittens we found dumped over the weekend. My husband is afraid it will cause trouble if they print it with a name and town. What do you think? Myself, I doubt anyone will really pay attention. I am curious to know what you guys think. Thanks for the input. Debbie Dear Editor, On Sunday, May 27, Children's Home Bradford Rd., Greenville, someone pulled into a path in a field, north, a little ways off of 127. My husband and I were traveling to Lowe's and noticed this parked car and also kittens beside it. We thought oh, they must be picking them up. We agreed we would come back the same route on the way home to make sure. Unfortunately, on the way back, we saw the kittens were still there. We pulled over and got out. One was lying squashed on the path, 2 snuggled up to the small lifeless body. Whoever dumped them must have run over one. Three more came waddling up out of the ditch. There were 6 total. We gathered the 5 left alive and placed them in our van. My husband was kind enough that he even picked up the dead baby kitten and placed it in a bag, later he buried it in our side yard. We had our 2 Labradors with us - one which my husband had found dumped outside Bradford around Christmas time. She was only 4-5 weeks old. The kittens looked to be around 4-5 weeks old. We knew we could not just leave them because they would never have survived on their own. We also knew that we would not really be able to take on anymore because we have 14 rescued ones already (7 were found in a trash dumpster outside a condo in Dayton). All now spayed, neutered, shots, etc. I called and left a message at the Darke County Humane Society telling them the whole story. We decided if worse came to worse we would keep them until they could be adopted out. Amazingly the Humane Society phoned the next day. They agreed to take the abandoned babies in. My husband and I would like to publicly thank them for that. We are so very grateful. The lady that picked them up had a nice clean carrier and bedding for them. As to the people who constantly abandon, abuse, etc.. animals. What is wrong with you? What gives you the right to take away life of any kind? It always amazes me that humans can be so cruel. Poor defenseless creatures left to die, no food, no shelter, no one to love them. Would you do this to
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Actually, you can probably tell the newspaper editor your name, address and email address and request that you be known in the newspaper as Anonymous or Concerned Family or something. I'm pretty damn sure that newspapers honor requests like this. If I had written that letter I would send hard copies and emails, too, of your letter, with photos if possible, to, among others, the ASPCA in New York, Best Friends in Utah, The North Shore Animal League in New York, Animal Defense League (is that in CA?), Cat Fancy, and any other names that this loving cat group of animal people can think of. How about Catster.com? Right off the top of my sleepy head I cannot think of any other names, but I'll have some more by tomorrow. How about Art Bell at radio's Coast to Coast AM? He is an avowed cat adorer! (My mom's PR career bled off onto me more than I ever realized. The evidence is right here in front of you!) You can make a huge difference in the lives of these little ones and others. If you can get them on a TV morning show with the they'll be adopted so fast! And so many people will know and people will respond to your letter and to their placement on TV. It may very well help the Humane Society raise money for kitten care. We just never know. But the good you have done has already been multiplied by telling all of us, by telling the Darke County Humane Society, who came so quickly to their--and your--rescue and all the people THEY will tell and involve. And, believe me, those little babies will find a way to communicate to their sad, bewildered mommycat that they are now safe and loved, that they will always be loved (by their mommycat and then by you and your husband and your animal family, and now by all the Humane Society folks and by all of us). You never know--someone might even contact the Humane Society or the paper--someone who knows about the people in that car that you saw. We just never know. But you and your husband have shown more light into the ugly dark corners of the world. And light is what we need. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On May 31, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Debbie wrote: This is a letter to the editor of our local paper concerning the kittens we found dumped over the weekend. My husband is afraid it will cause trouble if they print it with a name and town. What do you think? Myself, I doubt anyone will really pay attention. I am curious to know what you guys think. Thanks for the input. Debbie Dear Editor, On Sunday, May 27, Children's Home Bradford Rd., Greenville, someone pulled into a path in a field, north, a little ways off of 127. My husband and I were traveling to Lowe's and noticed this parked car and also kittens beside it. We thought oh, they must be picking them up. We agreed we would come back the same route on the way home to make sure. Unfortunately, on the way back, we saw the kittens were still there. We pulled over and got out. One was lying squashed on the path, 2 snuggled up to the small lifeless body. Whoever dumped them must have run over one. Three more came waddling up out of the ditch. There were 6 total. We gathered the 5 left alive and placed them in our van. My husband was kind enough that he even picked up the dead baby kitten and placed it in a bag, later he buried it in our side yard. We had our 2 Labradors with us - one which my husband had found dumped outside Bradford around Christmas time. She was only 4-5 weeks old. The kittens looked to be around 4-5 weeks old. We knew we could not just leave them because they would never have survived on their own. We also knew that we would not really be able to take on anymore because we have 14 rescued ones already (7 were found in a trash dumpster outside a condo in Dayton). All now spayed, neutered, shots, etc. I called and left a message at the Darke County Humane Society telling them the whole story. We decided if worse came to worse we would keep them until they could be adopted out. Amazingly the Humane Society phoned the next day. They agreed to take the abandoned babies in. My husband and I would like to publicly thank them for that. We are so very grateful. The lady that picked them up had a nice clean carrier and bedding for them. As to the people who constantly abandon, abuse, etc.. animals. What is wrong with you? What gives you the right to take away life of any kind? It always amazes me that humans can be so cruel. Poor defenseless creatures left to die, no food, no shelter, no one to love them. Would you do this to your mother, your grandfather, your child? We seem to be becoming a throw away society. If someone or something doesn't fit our idea of perfection or if taking care of them is an inconvenience - then we just dispose of it. Life to many, seems cheap. I recall I had a neighbor years ago that left his dog have
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Debbie, it's a great letter. I'm just thinking maybe you'd be safer leaving out the details of your various rescued pets. Maybe just say you couldn't take them in because you already have the legal limit of happy, healthy, neutered, vaccinated and deeply loved pets, all of whom are former rescues just like these babies. That way, you wouldn't be calling undue attention to yourself in case you're over the limit, and you're not lying about anything (you DO have the legal limit, you just leave off the and then some!), and you're demonstrating by your own example what responsible pet ownership means. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions Needed This is a letter to the editor of our local paper concerning the kittens we found dumped over the weekend. My husband is afraid it will cause trouble if they print it with a name and town. What do you think? Myself, I doubt anyone will really pay attention. I am curious to know what you guys think. Thanks for the input. Debbie Dear Editor, On Sunday, May 27, Children's Home Bradford Rd., Greenville, someone pulled into a path in a field, north, a little ways off of 127. My husband and I were traveling to Lowe's and noticed this parked car and also kittens beside it. We thought oh, they must be picking them up. We agreed we would come back the same route on the way home to make sure. Unfortunately, on the way back, we saw the kittens were still there. We pulled over and got out. One was lying squashed on the path, 2 snuggled up to the small lifeless body. Whoever dumped them must have run over one. Three more came waddling up out of the ditch. There were 6 total. We gathered the 5 left alive and placed them in our van. My husband was kind enough that he even picked up the dead baby kitten and placed it in a bag, later he buried it in our side yard. We had our 2 Labradors with us - one which my husband had found dumped outside Bradford around Christmas time. She was only 4-5 weeks old. The kittens looked to be around 4-5 weeks old. We knew we could not just leave them because they would never have survived on their own. We also knew that we would not really be able to take on anymore because we have 14 rescued ones already (7 were found in a trash dumpster outside a condo in Dayton). All now spayed, neutered, shots, etc. I called and left a message at the Darke County Humane Society telling them the whole story. We decided if worse came to worse we would keep them until they could be adopted out. Amazingly the Humane Society phoned the next day. They agreed to take the abandoned babies in. My husband and I would like to publicly thank them for that. We are so very grateful. The lady that picked them up had a nice clean carrier and bedding for them. As to the people who constantly abandon, abuse, etc.. animals. What is wrong with you? What gives you the right to take away life of any kind? It always amazes me that humans can be so cruel. Poor defenseless creatures left to die, no food, no shelter, no one to love them. Would you do this to your mother, your grandfather, your child? We seem to be becoming a throw away society. If someone or something doesn't fit our idea of perfection or if taking care of them is an inconvenience - then we just dispose of it. Life to many, seems cheap. I recall I had a neighbor years ago that left his dog have pups year after year. His 2 little girls would love on them and play with them. Later the pups would disappear. I was told the father would take them out and shoot them. Of course you couldn't prove it, just like you couldn't prove that he also had his little girls drown kittens in their swimming pool. Wonderful lessons to teach our children, isn't it? Just like dumping 6 defenseless kittens in an area where there were no houses, no people, or food. How someone treats animals, in my opinion, is a reflection of how they treat others. It's sad to say that many people do not show a respect for life. I can only hope that the residents of Darke County will educate themselves and their children as to what being a responsible pet owner means. If each of us puts forth at least a little effort (and monetary support) we can help control the over population of cats and dogs and the unnecessary suffering they often times endure. For all those dollars we spend on lottery tickets, a pack of cigarettes, a six pack of beer, that new MP3 player, etc.surely we can spend some on a LIFE. Please consider donating to the local Humane Society or other animal welfare agencies. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order
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I absolutely agree with Diane and your husband. I think it's wonderful of you to want to call attention to the plight of the innocent, but as Diane says, don't call attention to you and yours in the process. I'd make the letter a lot more general, leaving out many of the details that might call personal attention to you. N Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Debbie, it's a great letter. I'm just thinking maybe you'd be safer leaving out the details of your various rescued pets. Maybe just say you couldn't take them in because you already have the legal limit of happy, healthy, neutered, vaccinated and deeply loved pets, all of whom are former rescues just like these babies. That way, you wouldn't be calling undue attention to yourself in case you're over the limit, and you're not lying about anything (you DO have the legal limit, you just leave off the and then some!), and you're demonstrating by your own example what responsible pet ownership means. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Debbie *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:49 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Opinions Needed This is a letter to the editor of our local paper concerning the kittens we found dumped over the weekend. My husband is afraid it will cause trouble if they print it with a name and town. What do you think? Myself, I doubt anyone will really pay attention. I am curious to know what you guys think. Thanks for the input. Debbie
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yep, just leave out the NUMBERS of the critters you have! wish i thought it'd make a difference somehow. well, MAYBE it'll get some folks to offer to foster, as that is such a HUGE need right now all over the country--unfortunately, i don't think it'll make any difference at all to the kind of people who think that some lives--those wrapped up in fur, or too old, or too ugly, or inconvenient--are less-than any others. MC On 5/31/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I absolutely agree with Diane and your husband. I think it's wonderful of you to want to call attention to the plight of the innocent, but as Diane says, don't call attention to you and yours in the process. I'd make the letter a lot more general, leaving out many of the details that might call personal attention to you. N Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Debbie, it's a great letter. I'm just thinking maybe you'd be safer leaving out the details of your various rescued pets. Maybe just say you couldn't take them in because you already have the legal limit of happy, healthy, neutered, vaccinated and deeply loved pets, all of whom are former rescues just like these babies. That way, you wouldn't be calling undue attention to yourself in case you're over the limit, and you're not lying about anything (you DO have the legal limit, you just leave off the and then some!), and you're demonstrating by your own example what responsible pet ownership means. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Debbie *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:49 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Opinions Needed This is a letter to the editor of our local paper concerning the kittens we found dumped over the weekend. My husband is afraid it will cause trouble if they print it with a name and town. What do you think? Myself, I doubt anyone will really pay attention. I am curious to know what you guys think. Thanks for the input. Debbie -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Debbie,
I think it is a wonderful letter. And I would certainly hope that at least
one person would read it and maybe change the way they think. I totally agree
with you about people thinking everything is throw away!!! The part about the
neighbor and his daughters really freaked me out. The more I am in rescue the
more I dislike certain human beings. Anyway I would leave it just as it is.
And I think you and your husband are wonderful loving human beings for saving
the dog and the kitties!
Debi H in PA
Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
body{font-family:
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#ff;color: black;} This is a letter to the editor of our local paper
concerning the kittens we found dumped over the weekend. My husband is afraid
it will cause trouble if they print it with a name and town. What do you think?
Myself, I doubt anyone will really pay attention. I am curious to know what you
guys think.
Thanks for the input.
Debbie
Dear Editor,
On Sunday, May 27, Children's Home Bradford Rd., Greenville, someone pulled
into a path in a field, north, a little ways off of 127. My husband and I
were traveling to Lowe's and noticed this parked car and also kittens beside
it. We thought oh, they must be picking them up. We agreed we would
come
back the same route on the way home to make sure. Unfortunately, on the way
back, we saw the kittens were still there. We pulled over and got out. One
was lying squashed on the path, 2 snuggled up to the small lifeless body.
Whoever dumped them must have run over one. Three more came waddling up out
of the ditch. There were 6 total. We gathered the 5 left alive and placed
them in our van. My husband was kind enough that he even picked up the dead
baby kitten and placed it in a bag, later he buried it in our side yard. We
had our 2 Labradors with us - one which my husband had found dumped outside
Bradford around Christmas time. She was only 4-5 weeks old. The kittens
looked to be around 4-5 weeks old. We knew we could not just leave them
because they would never have survived on their own. We also knew that we
would not really be able to take on anymore because we have 14 rescued ones
already (7 were found in a trash dumpster outside a condo in Dayton). All
now spayed, neutered, shots, etc.
I called and left a message at the Darke County Humane Society telling them
the whole story. We decided if worse came to worse we would keep them until
they could be adopted out. Amazingly the Humane Society phoned the next day.
They agreed to take the abandoned babies in. My husband and I would like to
publicly thank them for that. We are so very grateful. The lady that picked
them up had a nice clean carrier and bedding for them.
As to the people who constantly abandon, abuse, etc.. animals. What is wrong
with you? What gives you the right to take away life of any kind? It always
amazes me that humans can be so cruel. Poor defenseless creatures left to
die, no food, no shelter, no one to love them. Would you do this to your
mother, your grandfather, your child? We seem to be becoming a throw away
society. If someone or something doesn't fit our idea of perfection or
if
taking care of them is an inconvenience - then we just dispose of it.
Life
to many, seems cheap. I recall I had a neighbor years ago that left his dog
have pups year after year. His 2 little girls would love on them and play
with them. Later the pups would disappear. I was told the father would take
them out and shoot them. Of course you couldn't prove it, just like you
couldn't prove that he also had his little girls drown kittens in their
swimming pool. Wonderful lessons to teach our children, isn't it? Just like
dumping 6 defenseless kittens in an area where there were no houses, no
people, or food.
How someone treats animals, in my opinion, is a reflection of how they treat
others. It's sad to say that many people do not show a respect for life. I
can only hope that the residents of Darke County will educate themselves and
their children as to what being a responsible pet owner means. If each
of
us puts forth at least a little effort (and monetary support) we can help
control the over population of cats and dogs and the unnecessary suffering
they often times endure. For all those dollars we spend on lottery tickets,
a pack of cigarettes, a six pack of beer, that new MP3 player, etc.surely we
can spend some on a LIFE. Please consider donating to the local Humane
Society or other animal welfare agencies.
-
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Debbie: Way to Go! I only wish I had the guts to write a story like this in our local newspaper! I think this NEEDS to be published. It is such a sad, and too common, story. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions Needed This is a letter to the editor of our local paper concerning the kittens we found dumped over the weekend. My husband is afraid it will cause trouble if they print it with a name and town. What do you think? Myself, I doubt anyone will really pay attention. I am curious to know what you guys think. Thanks for the input. Debbie Dear Editor, On Sunday, May 27, Children's Home Bradford Rd., Greenville, someone pulled into a path in a field, north, a little ways off of 127. My husband and I were traveling to Lowe's and noticed this parked car and also kittens beside it. We thought oh, they must be picking them up. We agreed we would come back the same route on the way home to make sure. Unfortunately, on the way back, we saw the kittens were still there. We pulled over and got out. One was lying squashed on the path, 2 snuggled up to the small lifeless body. Whoever dumped them must have run over one. Three more came waddling up out of the ditch. There were 6 total. We gathered the 5 left alive and placed them in our van. My husband was kind enough that he even picked up the dead baby kitten and placed it in a bag, later he buried it in our side yard. We had our 2 Labradors with us - one which my husband had found dumped outside Bradford around Christmas time. She was only 4-5 weeks old. The kittens looked to be around 4-5 weeks old. We knew we could not just leave them because they would never have survived on their own. We also knew that we would not really be able to take on anymore because we have 14 rescued ones already (7 were found in a trash dumpster outside a condo in Dayton). All now spayed, neutered, shots, etc. I called and left a message at the Darke County Humane Society telling them the whole story. We decided if worse came to worse we would keep them until they could be adopted out. Amazingly the Humane Society phoned the next day. They agreed to take the abandoned babies in. My husband and I would like to publicly thank them for that. We are so very grateful. The lady that picked them up had a nice clean carrier and bedding for them. As to the people who constantly abandon, abuse, etc.. animals. What is wrong with you? What gives you the right to take away life of any kind? It always amazes me that humans can be so cruel. Poor defenseless creatures left to die, no food, no shelter, no one to love them. Would you do this to your mother, your grandfather, your child? We seem to be becoming a throw away society. If someone or something doesn't fit our idea of perfection or if taking care of them is an inconvenience - then we just dispose of it. Life to many, seems cheap. I recall I had a neighbor years ago that left his dog have pups year after year. His 2 little girls would love on them and play with them. Later the pups would disappear. I was told the father would take them out and shoot them. Of course you couldn't prove it, just like you couldn't prove that he also had his little girls drown kittens in their swimming pool. Wonderful lessons to teach our children, isn't it? Just like dumping 6 defenseless kittens in an area where there were no houses, no people, or food. How someone treats animals, in my opinion, is a reflection of how they treat others. It's sad to say that many people do not show a respect for life. I can only hope that the residents of Darke County will educate themselves and their children as to what being a responsible pet owner means. If each of us puts forth at least a little effort (and monetary support) we can help control the over population of cats and dogs and the unnecessary suffering they often times endure. For all those dollars we spend on lottery tickets, a pack of cigarettes, a six pack of beer, that new MP3 player, etc.surely we can spend some on a LIFE. Please consider donating to the local Humane Society or other animal welfare agencies.
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WONDERFUL letter! I highly commend you for it! Definitely send it in! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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Just wanted to say “thank you” for all your support and advice. I intend on going ahead and letting them print it. It may not do any good but if only on person helps some poor animal or thinks twice about a child, grandparent, etc… it would b worth it. I am so tired of people not caring about life in general. Everything that lives has something to offer this world. By the way – the kittens were adorable. I will post pics of them soon. Thanks again. You folks are wonderful! Debbie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM
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Take out the TMI part and you've got a FANTASTIC letter to the editor. Thank you for taking the time to do this -- I hope a lot of people read it. elizabeth On 5/31/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, just leave out the NUMBERS of the critters you have! wish i thought it'd make a difference somehow. well, MAYBE it'll get some folks to offer to foster, as that is such a HUGE need right now all over the country--unfortunately, i don't think it'll make any difference at all to the kind of people who think that some lives--those wrapped up in fur, or too old, or too ugly, or inconvenient--are less-than any others. MC On 5/31/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I absolutely agree with Diane and your husband. I think it's wonderful of you to want to call attention to the plight of the innocent, but as Diane says, don't call attention to you and yours in the process. I'd make the letter a lot more general, leaving out many of the details that might call personal attention to you. N Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Debbie, it's a great letter. I'm just thinking maybe you'd be safer leaving out the details of your various rescued pets. Maybe just say you couldn't take them in because you already have the legal limit of happy, healthy, neutered, vaccinated and deeply loved pets, all of whom are former rescues just like these babies. That way, you wouldn't be calling undue attention to yourself in case you're over the limit, and you're not lying about anything (you DO have the legal limit, you just leave off the and then some!), and you're demonstrating by your own example what responsible pet ownership means. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Debbie *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:49 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Opinions Needed This is a letter to the editor of our local paper concerning the kittens we found dumped over the weekend. My husband is afraid it will cause trouble if they print it with a name and town. What do you think? Myself, I doubt anyone will really pay attention. I am curious to know what you guys think. Thanks for the input. Debbie -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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If you go to www.pets911.com and enter the zip code of the location, local rescues will be listed and perhaps one of those can help. Anita Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:01:40 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OPINIONS does anyone know of any places in the Ohio area that help with feral cats? I know of a feral colony of about 15 cats that someone is trying to feed, but it is getting to be too much for them (elderly and limited income). They can not afford to get them fixed so they just keep having kittens. Wondered if anyone knew of a farm or some place nice that would take them. I have 14 of my own and can not take in any more. _ It’s tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=WLMartagline
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when I type in the zip all I see is are places that put them to sleep. I really don't want that. -Original Message- From: Stray Cat Alliance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Apr 4, 2007 2:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OPINIONS If you go to www.pets911.com and enter the zip code of the location, local rescues will be listed and perhaps one of those can help.Anita Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:01:40 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OPINIONS does anyone know of any places in the Ohio area that help with feral cats? I know of a feral colony of about 15 cats that someone is trying to feed, but it is getting to be too much for them (elderly and limited income). They can not afford to get them fixed so they just keep having kittens. Wondered if anyone knew of a farm or some place nice that would take them. I have 14 of my own and can not take in any more. It’s tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips Check it out!
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See if there is something akin to Alley Cat Advocates there. The one in Louisville does a good job of helping out. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: OPINIONS does anyone know of any places in the Ohio area that help with feral cats? I know of a feral colony of about 15 cats that someone is trying to feed, but it is getting to be too much for them (elderly and limited income). They can not afford to get them fixed so they just keep having kittens. Wondered if anyone knew of a farm or some place nice that would take them. I have 14 of my own and can not take in any more.
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On 3/9/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Debbie, Where I live outdoor cats are all considered ferals. They don't count them as part of the household. I found this interesting. A vet told me that. I have always know we don't own cats they own us. My cats for the most part have picked me out. The last one literally showed up under my porch. He knew I would help him and he is now an inside cat. I have found with my limited exposure to rescue groups and I would assume the same with humane societies, the tend to be a bit strongly opinionated if not even being accusing. I am sure it comes from what they see. They do not know us at all, but it tends to put one off. I had a bad experience with a rescue group when I was trying to place a dog that I had not adopted but my mom did and she gave the dog to me after my dad died. I was not at home most of the time, I did not have a fenced yard and what this dog required was attention that I could not give her. Well you would have though I had committed a crime the way I was treated and no good solutions were offered other than I should crate her. I know now that it would have helped but was not the solution. Casey came up with her won solutions. She found a family with kids who lived nearby. She would go there and play. I later found where she was going. They offered to keep her for the weekend while I was away. When I came back I asked if they wanted her and they said yes. It was the best thing that happend to her. Sorry it took me a while to respond to this, but I wanted to address it because I think it is very important. I think a lot of rescue groups do not understand customer service at all. They DO tend to be accusatory. The bad thing is that it is because they care about animals so much, but they don't understand that they are off-putting and drive people to buy from breeders or get a free pet from the paper or Internet. I try to be different. I don't have a checklist of items people have to agree to/have in order to adopt a pet from me (God forbid you not have a fenced yard - really, how DARE you? - sheesh). I am always polite to people even when I really don't want to be. I have a business and I need to represent it well to the world. I'm glad Casey found a good new home:) Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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In a message dated 3/9/07 4:41:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have found with my limited exposure to rescue groups and I would assume the same with humane societies, the tend to be a bit strongly opinionated if not even being accusing. I am sure it comes from what they see. YES Anyone not exposed w/ working in rescue has NO idea what we see try to deal with. Education is the key... And, our rescue group tries to educate. But, so many people don't even want to listen... No wonder I prefer creatures over people. No offense, but I've just seen and dealt with WAY TOO MUCH Animals are NOT disposable.. Sorry,I hope I haven't offended anyone. JMO. Patti her (non-disposable, special needs rescued) gang BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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In a message dated 3/9/07 10:10:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They need some education severely. Couldn't agree more... EDUCATION IS THE KEY Patti her gang (Most rescued due to special needs or other problems that owners couldn't/wouldn't even try to deal with. And, guess what??? They are all doing GREAT!!! Their loss, my gain They are my world. The whole reason I am still here after MVA, I honestly believe that...) BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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I did not mean to offend anyone here. I am just saying they were only accusatory and not helpful. Casey was a much happier dog after she found a home where she had kids and much attention. Are you saying I should have kept her locked up all day? This is just a rhetorical question. As I said before Casey came to me after dad died my mother could not handle her. I know many folks have their parents pets euthanized as an option. I would never consider that as an option. If finding Casey a good home where she had children to play with her she lived a long healthy life is a bad thing then I am guilty. She was not my dog and did not want to be my dog, Sometimes animals choose who they want to be with and this is what she did. If i did not care about her I would have not gone and gotten her back from the animal control. They picked her up after she broke lose, She went through a closed window one day while I was at work. It is a wonder she was't cut. Wow, how do you get such a good internet connection from that other planet you must be living on? WHO considers all outdoor cats ferals? They need some education severely HUH?? you are so sarcastic G. I did not imply i agreed with this vet,I dont know her name. It is a vet I do not use I was with a coworker when we took a feral cat who had climbed into an engine to hide. This was something the vet said. The cats subsequently died from her injuries. The guy tried to sane her, but she was never able to go to the bathroom. bye sally On 3/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/9/07 4:41:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have found with my limited exposure to rescue groups and I would assume the same with humane societies, the tend to be a bit strongly opinionated if not even being accusing. I am sure it comes from what they see. *YES *Anyone *not* exposed w/ working in rescue has *NO* idea what we see *try* to deal with. Education is the key... And, our rescue group *tries* to educate. But, so many people don't even want to listen... No wonder I prefer creatures over people. No offense, but I've just seen and dealt with *WAY TOO MUCH* *Animals are NOT disposable..* Sorry,I hope I haven't offended anyone. JMO. Patti her (non-disposable, special needs rescued) gang -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339. -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
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Hi Debbie, I do not think they are chastising you. I personally do not intend to add cats, until after Junior passes and I an sure the other eight cats stay clean of the virus. Although things happen. A cat showed up during the middel fo my crisis similiar to yours last fall. He was emaciated and starving. He joined the group and it saved his life. Ok for the rest of the group, Junior got back from the vet today. I was so hoping to see Dr. Staunton, but she took the week off. Dr Larrick is good but very conservative. Junior has swollen lymph nodes behind his ears and his back legs. Junior otherwise is stable. The Dr suggest we wait and see because his weight is good and no other symptoms. He said the lymph system may be doing what it is supposed to do fight infection. I decided against further vaccinations. What do yall think. Money is always an issue. He is on a good diet he gained back the weight he lost, he gets Petinic, CoQ10, lysine and Transfer Factor Plus. This has seemed to stabilize him. Thanks, Sally On 3/9/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been learning ALOT from this group in the past few weeks. I wondered if I again might ask your opinion on something? I thought since the outcome of our 14 cats testing negative for FELV was so wonderful that I would share the news with the humane society. I had emailed them asking if any of them would be willing to innoculate our cats for a donation. (The answer was no - that it needed done by a vet.) Anyhow I thought maybe sharing the outcome might help save other cats from unnecessary suffering. Below is my email and following is the response. After reading it let me know what you think. I was aggravated by the response. Our cats are VERY well taken care of. Wondered if it was just me reading it wrong, but I found it insulting. Luckily we do not live in the county they mention. Subject: Good News Importance: High Just thought I would email and let you know we had all 14 of our cats tested for FELV. Not a single one was positive. They were then all inoculated. The vet thought that our cat Elsa that we took to West Milton's vet may have been a false positive. If Elsa was FELV positive than the other cats and her lived together over 2 years, ate from the same bowls and used the same litter boxes. I just thought I would share this news with you. I have been in contact with people from http://www.felineleukemia.org - They offer A LOT of good information on the disease. You may want to check it out. Regards Debbie Morton Congrats. I still would add no other cats to the group in that you have over the allotted number for Miami County laws. Adding more will increase your financial liability as well as compromising the health of the cats you have made a commitment to. Tres Lynn -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
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Thanks Sally. We never intended having the ones we have. Actually they all arrived at the same time. Seven (2 different litters) were found in a trash dumpster. A lady I worked with brought them to work - she couldn't keep them because she was allergic. We hand raised all seven. I refuse to walk past a suffering animal though. I think that is cruel. I just felt that the humane society lady had no right to quote a law to us. Our 14 cats are all spayed/ neutered, clean, well groomed, have all their shots, don't fight, etc. You would tell someone they were over on the limit of kids they have, so why pets? I realize I'm probably being too sensitive, but if you don't know how someone lives I don't belive you should assume they have too many pets. I hope Junior improves. Sounds like you are taking good care of him. -Original Message- From: Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Mar 9, 2007 11:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Opinions appreciated Hi Debbie, I do not think they are chastising you. I personally do not intend to add cats, until after Junior passes and I an sure the other eight cats stay clean of the virus. Although things happen. A cat showed up during the middel fo my crisis similiar to yours last fall. He was emaciated and starving. He joined the group and it saved his life. Ok for the rest of the group, Junior got back from the vet today. I was so hoping to see Dr. Staunton, but she took the week off. Dr Larrick is good but very conservative. Junior has swollen lymph nodes behind his ears and his back legs. Junior otherwise is stable. The Dr suggest we wait and see because his weight is good and no other symptoms. He said the lymph system may be doing what it is supposed to do fight infection. I decided against further vaccinations. What do yall think. Money is always an issue. He is on a good diet he gained back the weight he lost, he gets Petinic, CoQ10, lysine and Transfer Factor Plus. This has seemed to stabilize him. Thanks, Sally On 3/9/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been learning ALOT from this group in the past few weeks. I wondered if I again might ask your opinion on something? I thought since the outcome of our 14 cats testing negative for FELV was so wonderful that I would share the news with the humane society. I had emailed them asking if any of them would be willing to innoculate our cats for a donation. (The answer was no - that it needed done by a vet.) Anyhow I thought maybe sharing the outcome might help save other cats from unnecessary suffering. Below is my email and following is the response. After reading it let me know what you think. I was aggravated by the response. Our cats are VERY well taken care of. Wondered if it was just me reading it wrong, but I found it insulting. Luckily we do not live in the county they mention. Subject: Good NewsImportance: HighJust thought I would email and let you know we had all 14 of our cats tested for FELV. Not a single one was positive. They were then all inoculated. The vet thought that our cat Elsa that we took to West Milton's vet may have been a false positive. If Elsa was FELV positive than the other cats and her lived together over 2 years, ate from the same bowls and used the same litter boxes.I just thought I would share this news with you. I have been in contact with people from http://www.felineleukemia.org - They offer A LOT of good information on the disease. You may want to check it out.RegardsDebbie MortonCongrats.I still would add no other cats to the group in that you have over the allotted number for Miami County laws.Adding more will increase your financial liability as well as compromising the health of the cats you have made a commitment to.Tres Lynn -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you canhttps://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
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Hi Debbie, Where I live outdoor cats are all considered ferals. They don't count them as part of the household. I found this interesting. A vet told me that. I have always know we don't own cats they own us. My cats for the most part have picked me out. The last one literally showed up under my porch. He knew I would help him and he is now an inside cat. I have found with my limited exposure to rescue groups and I would assume the same with humane societies, the tend to be a bit strongly opinionated if not even being accusing. I am sure it comes from what they see. They do not know us at all, but it tends to put one off. I had a bad experience with a rescue group when I was trying to place a dog that I had not adopted but my mom did and she gave the dog to me after my dad died. I was not at home most of the time, I did not have a fenced yard and what this dog required was attention that I could not give her. Well you would have though I had committed a crime the way I was treated and no good solutions were offered other than I should crate her. I know now that it would have helped but was not the solution. Casey came up with her won solutions. She found a family with kids who lived nearby. She would go there and play. I later found where she was going. They offered to keep her for the weekend while I was away. When I came back I asked if they wanted her and they said yes. It was the best thing that happend to her. gotta go my boyfriend just fell, blames me for it. Another story Sally On 3/9/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Sally. We never intended having the ones we have. Actually they all arrived at the same time. Seven (2 different litters) were found in a trash dumpster. A lady I worked with brought them to work - she couldn't keep them because she was allergic. We hand raised all seven. I refuse to walk past a suffering animal though. I think that is cruel. I just felt that the humane society lady had no right to quote a law to us. Our 14 cats are all spayed/ neutered, clean, well groomed, have all their shots, don't fight, etc. You would tell someone they were over on the limit of kids they have, so why pets? I realize I'm probably being too sensitive, but if you don't know how someone lives I don't belive you should assume they have too many pets. I hope Junior improves. Sounds like you are taking good care of him. -Original Message- From: Sally Davis Sent: Mar 9, 2007 11:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Opinions appreciated Hi Debbie, I do not think they are chastising you. I personally do not intend to add cats, until after Junior passes and I an sure the other eight cats stay clean of the virus. Although things happen. A cat showed up during the middel fo my crisis similiar to yours last fall. He was emaciated and starving. He joined the group and it saved his life. Ok for the rest of the group, Junior got back from the vet today. I was so hoping to see Dr. Staunton, but she took the week off. Dr Larrick is good but very conservative. Junior has swollen lymph nodes behind his ears and his back legs. Junior otherwise is stable. The Dr suggest we wait and see because his weight is good and no other symptoms. He said the lymph system may be doing what it is supposed to do fight infection. I decided against further vaccinations. What do yall think. Money is always an issue. He is on a good diet he gained back the weight he lost, he gets Petinic, CoQ10, lysine and Transfer Factor Plus. This has seemed to stabilize him. Thanks, Sally On 3/9/07, Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been learning ALOT from this group in the past few weeks. I wondered if I again might ask your opinion on something? I thought since the outcome of our 14 cats testing negative for FELV was so wonderful that I would share the news with the humane society. I had emailed them asking if any of them would be willing to innoculate our cats for a donation. (The answer was no - that it needed done by a vet.) Anyhow I thought maybe sharing the outcome might help save other cats from unnecessary suffering. Below is my email and following is the response. After reading it let me know what you think. I was aggravated by the response. Our cats are VERY well taken care of. Wondered if it was just me reading it wrong, but I found it insulting. Luckily we do not live in the county they mention. Subject: Good News Importance: High Just thought I would email and let you know we had all 14 of our cats tested for FELV. Not a single one was positive. They were then all inoculated. The vet thought that our cat Elsa that we took to West Milton's vet may have been a false positive. If Elsa was FELV positive than the other cats and her lived together over 2 years, ate from the same bowls and used the same litter boxes. I just thought I would share this news with you. I have been in contact with people from http://www.felineleukemia.org - They offer A LOT
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She is simply quoting the fact that you are breaking a law in her county, she may be unaware you aren't in the same county. I don't think her reply is rude, just pointing out a legal fact. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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Actually, there are two quite famous families that get lots of airtime on Lifetime that have over 12 CHILDREN in their home. They OFTEN get asked if they take proper care of them all, get accused of all kinds of things simply because they have more kids than society deems acceptable. So, it happens with kids too. Here's what they get in any typical outing with 10 or more kids in tow (and some suggested come backs maybe you could use for your cats too, LOL): http://www.plomp.com/largefam/comebacks.htm Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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Here's and odd pill disguiser for you: Marshmellows! A friend of mine has a cat named Satan, (yeah, I know, but IF YOU ONLY KNEW HIM -the cat- YOU'D UNDERSTAND..the name is earned!), that could not be pilled. Oh, he'd stand on a freshly delivered pizza covered up to his knees in sauce and cheese, but he'd still find a pill hidden in cheese, pizza sauce, meat..etc...When one day he stole a bag of mini-marshmellows out of the drawer and curled up with them hissing and spittin whenever Angie came close to himand it dawned on herlittle marshmellows. Three years now and Satty gets his happy pill every morning...and there's a little less evil in the house. (But go easy on the candy...too much sugar's not good for a cat!)Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tamara, you are right about the Pill Pockets it does not work for all cats but if it does it is easy! The strays I was feeding would not take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst, or anything sort of smellythey wolfed up! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Mari, For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if that makes a difference, but it might, so I thought you should know. Ok, red dyes. That finding was just by trial and error. It finally occured to me that when I feed her something with red dye in it...she'd break out around the face and neck start vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day. I tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the salmon, shrimp crab are all contributing factors to her break-outs. NOT that she doesn't have them anymore...because she does..but they are less frequent. Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no preservative, no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods. It seems to be helping somewhat. As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most palitable and best quality, healthiest, for Coebeio. They have a website where you can order directly: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help me to figure it all out as well. Getting rid of the dyes in the food helped. Getting rid of corn in the food helped. Not burning scented candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet ...helpedtrying to limit stress has helped. But yes, she still gets breakouts...from time to time, and I just can't figure out why. What makes it worse is I haven't been able to get her to the vet in ..oh, three years or so. While she is an indoor cat, when she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught. You can't even getclose enough to scruff her. I picked her up off the street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is because she came willingly when I told her to get in the car. One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but just to keep an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well? Is he drinking more? When is the last time you had blood work done? (My Quintapus started that...progressively "picky" eatingturned out his kidneys had started to fail.) Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the pill pockets (but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or my extended family's animals will touch them. I used to hide pills in oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops sardines (rinse the salt)make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but only use a little bit spam has a LOT of salt). Good luck. T Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as "Red Dye #xx" or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas, earmites - negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him on several of the different single source protein foods - no change. Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not seeing any change. We have to feed him canned food as that is the only way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several different allergy canned foods. He wi
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
I've had luck hiding pills in cooked liver squished around the pill and hidden in a small bowl of 'untainted' liver. Nina Chris wrote: Tamara, you are right about the Pill Pockets… it does not work for all cats but if it does it is easy! The strays I was feeding would not take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst, or anything sort of smelly—they wolfed up!
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That's adorable! Can you tell I like feisty animals? Another short story for your book? Huh? Hmm? Nina tamara stickler wrote: Here's and odd pill disguiser for you: Marshmellows! A friend of mine has a cat named Satan, (yeah, I know, but IF YOU ONLY KNEW HIM -the cat- YOU'D UNDERSTAND..the name is earned!), that could not be pilled. Oh, he'd stand on a freshly delivered pizza covered up to his knees in sauce and cheese, but he'd still find a pill hidden in cheese, pizza sauce, meat..etc...When one day he stole a bag of mini-marshmellows out of the drawer and curled up with them hissing and spittin whenever Angie came close to himand it dawned on herlittle marshmellows. Three years now and Satty gets his happy pill every morning...and there's a little less evil in the house. (But go easy on the candy...too much sugar's not good for a cat!) */Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Tamara, you are right about the Pill Pockets… it does not work for all cats but if it does it is easy! The strays I was feeding would not take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst, or anything sort of smelly—they wolfed up! /*/Chris/*/ /*/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/*/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *tamara stickler *Sent:* Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:51 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Mari, For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if that makes a difference, but it might, so I thought you should know. Ok, red dyes. That finding was just by trial and error. It finally occured to me that when I feed her something with red dye in it...she'd break out around the face and neck start vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day. I tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the salmon, shrimp crab are all contributing factors to her break-outs. NOT that she doesn't have them anymore...because she does..but they are less frequent. Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no preservative, no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods. It seems to be helping somewhat. As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most palitable and best quality, healthiest, for Coebeio. They have a website where you can order directly: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help me to figure it all out as well. Getting rid of the dyes in the food helped. Getting rid of corn in the food helped. Not burning scented candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet ...helpedtrying to limit stress has helped. But yes, she still gets breakouts...from time to time, and I just can't figure out why. What makes it worse is I haven't been able to get her to the vet in ..oh, three years or so. While she is an indoor cat, when she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught. You can't even get close enough to scruff her. I picked her up off the street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is because she came willingly when I told her to get in the car. One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but just to keep an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well? Is he drinking more? When is the last time you had blood work done? (My Quintapus started that...progressively picky eatingturned out his kidneys had started to fail.) Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the pill pockets (but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or my extended family's animals will touch them. I used to hide pills in oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops sardines (rinse the salt) make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but only use a little bit spam has a LOT of salt). Good luck. T */Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have been not feeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as Red Dye #xx or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have a four year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who is a manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine up until about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites and had him
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Have you tried using Pill Pocketsthey are little mushy, gummy treats that are made like a pocket. You put pill in it then squish the treat around it. I think that the consistency smell prevent the cat from figuring out theres a pill in there. My guys generally like those. You can search on web for Pill Pockets to get the best price.. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mari Kolbe Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as Red Dye #xx or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas, earmites - negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him on several of the different single source protein foods - no change. Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not seeing any change. We have to feed him canned food as that is the only way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several different allergy canned foods. He will eat them a couple of days and then just stop eating - ANYTHING so we have gone back to canned cr** food to mix his meds in which I know is defeating the purpose. Any ideas on canned food that might be better for him that he will eat would be appreciated. He has to have the canned food for meds because while he only weighs 4#, being blind makes him totally freak if you try to administer meds to him any other way. And once he starts to panic, it brings on a seizure. (Little stinker won't eat the Eagle Pack canned and our Petco's quit carrying the Solid Gold which he would eat a few months ago...) Thanks again, T, for your input. /mari On 6/22/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mari, I feed Coebeio the hairball formula. She has horrible allergies, but it seems to be easy on her stomach and she likes it. Plus when Quintapus was alive, I bought it because it was low in phosphorous and he had CRF. Coey also eats the chicken, mixed in from time to time to keep her interest. A lot of cat foods have salmon or shell fish in them and oddly enough, Coebeio is allergic not to the grains, but to red food dye (which like the dyes in lipstick- comes from fish oil), salmon and shell fish. I also feed high quality cat canned food, such as : Solid Gold, Eagle pack, Merrick. Hope this helps. T Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Which Eagle Pack are you feeding? We have several with allergies and are having trouble finding a food that truly makes a difference. Someone gave me two different dry formula Eagle Pack foods and both had grains in them. Do you feed canned also? /mari (Spirit Cat) On 6/21/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T -- /mari (SpiritCat) Until there are none, adopt one. SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees of southeastern Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- /mari (SpiritCat) Until there are none, adopt one. SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees of southeastern Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mari, For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if that makes a difference, but it might, so I thought you should know. Ok, red dyes. That finding was just by trial and error. It finally occured to me that when I feed her something with red dye in it...she'd break out around the face and neck start vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day. I tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the salmon, shrimp crab are all contributing factors to her break-outs. NOT that she doesn't have them anymore...because she does..but they are less frequent. Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no preservative, no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods. It seems to be helping somewhat. As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most palitable and best quality, healthiest, for Coebeio. They have a website where you can order directly: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help me to figure it all out as well. Getting rid of the dyes in the food helped. Getting rid of corn in the food helped. Not burning scented candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet ...helpedtrying to limit stress has helped. But yes, she still gets breakouts...from time to time, and I just can't figure out why. What makes it worse is I haven't been able to get her to the vet in ..oh, three years or so. While she is an indoor cat, when she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught. You can't even getclose enough to scruff her. I picked her up off the street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is because she came willingly when I told her to get in the car. One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but just to keep an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well? Is he drinking more? When is the last time you had blood work done? (My Quintapus started that...progressively "picky" eatingturned out his kidneys had started to fail.) Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the pill pockets (but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or my extended family's animals will touch them. I used to hide pills in oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops sardines (rinse the salt)make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but only use a little bit spam has a LOT of salt). Good luck. T Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as "Red Dye #xx" or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas, earmites - negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him on several of the different single source protein foods - no change. Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not seeing any change. We have to feed him canned food as that is the only way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several different allergy canned foods. He will eat them a couple of days and then just stop eating - ANYTHING so we have gone back to canned cr** food to mix his meds in which I know is defeating the purpose. Any ideas on canned food that might be better for him that he will eat would be appreciated. He has to have the canned food for meds because while he only weighs 4#, being blind makes him totally freak if you try to administer meds to him any other way. And once he starts to panic, it brings on a seizure. (Little stinker won't eat the Eagle Pack canned and our Petco's quit carrying the Solid Gold which he would eat a few months ago...) Thanks again, T, for your input. /mari On 6/22/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mari, I feed Coebeio the hairball formula. She has horrible allergies, but it seems to be easy on her stomach and she likes it. Plus when Quintapus was alive, I bought it because it was low in phosphorous and he had CRF. Coey also eats the chicken, mixed in from time to time to keep her interest. A lot of cat foods have salmon or shell fish in them and oddly enough, Coebeio is allergic not to the grains, but to red food dye (which like the dyes in lipstick- comes from fish oil), salmon and shell fish. I also feed high quality cat canned food, such as : Solid Gold, Eagle pack, Merrick. Hope this helps. T Mari Kolbe
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Tamara, you are right about the Pill Pockets it does not work for all cats but if it does it is easy! The strays I was feeding would not take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst, or anything sort of smellythey wolfed up! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Mari, For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if that makes a difference, but it might, so I thought you should know. Ok, red dyes. That finding was just by trial and error. It finally occured to me that when I feed her something with red dye in it...she'd break out around the face and neck start vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day. I tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the salmon, shrimp crab are all contributing factors to her break-outs. NOT that she doesn't have them anymore...because she does..but they are less frequent. Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no preservative, no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods. It seems to be helping somewhat. As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most palitable and best quality, healthiest, for Coebeio. They have a website where you can order directly: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help me to figure it all out as well. Getting rid of the dyes in the food helped. Getting rid of corn in the food helped. Not burning scented candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet ...helpedtrying to limit stress has helped. But yes, she still gets breakouts...from time to time, and I just can't figure out why. What makes it worse is I haven't been able to get her to the vet in ..oh, three years or so. While she is an indoor cat, when she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught. You can't even getclose enough to scruff her. I picked her up off the street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is because she came willingly when I told her to get in the car. One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but just to keep an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well? Is he drinking more? When is the last time you had blood work done? (My Quintapus started that...progressively picky eatingturned out his kidneys had started to fail.) Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the pill pockets (but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or my extended family's animals will touch them. I used to hide pills in oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops sardines (rinse the salt)make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but only use a little bit spam has a LOT of salt). Good luck. T Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have beennotfeeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as Red Dye #xx or are some of them disguised as other chemical names? How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently have afour year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who isa manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf). He was fine upuntil about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw. We at first thought earmites andhad him checked. Allparasites, fleas, earmites - negative. Hisvet says food allergies and he has had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing. Vet has had him on several of the different single source protein foods - no change. Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergydry food and we are not seeing any change. We have to feed him canned food as that is the only way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried several different allergy canned foods. He will eat them a couple of days and then just stop eating - ANYTHING so we have gone back to canned cr** food to mix his meds in which I know is defeating the purpose. Any ideas on canned food that might be better for him that he will eat would be appreciated. He has to have the canned food for meds because while he only weighs 4#, being blind makes him totally freak if you try to administer meds to him any other way. And once he starts to panic, it brings on a seizure. (Little stinker won't eat the Eagle Pack canned and our Petco's quit carrying the Solid Gold which he would eat a few months ago...) Thanks again, T, for your input. /mari
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The only problem with Triumph is that it has a high phosphorous content. (NOT good for older kitties, or cats prone to kidney problems.) Just an FYI. Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I'll try it. Been looking around for something to order or buy locally. Thanks so much! GloriaOn Jun 21, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Nina wrote: My guys stuck their noses up at Wellness too. I just bought Triumph canned and my guys seem to like every flavor so far. It doesn't contain meat by-products, or veggies, but it does have rice flour and guar gum. Nina Gloria Lane wrote: I just tried Eagle Pack, but again, having trouble getting my guys to eat it! Any suggestions? Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:51 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat "treats" that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you 12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Kerry my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's "toys for the boys" syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium
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T: Which Eagle Pack are you feeding? We have several with allergies and are having trouble finding a food that truly makes a difference. Someone gave me two different dry formula Eagle Pack foods and both had grains in them. Do you feed canned also? /mari (Spirit Cat) On 6/21/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mari, I feed Coebeio the hairball formula. She has horrible allergies, but it seems to be easy on her stomach and she likes it. Plus when Quintapus was alive, I bought it because it was low in phosphorous and he had CRF. Coey also eats the chicken, mixed in from time to time to keep her interest. A lot of cat foods have salmon or shell fish in them and oddly enough, Coebeio is allergic not to the grains, but to red food dye (which like the dyes in lipstick- comes from fish oil), salmon and shell fish. I also feed high quality cat canned food, such as : Solid Gold, Eagle pack, Merrick. Hope this helps. TMari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T: Which Eagle Pack are you feeding? We have several with allergies and are having trouble finding a food that truly makes a difference. Someone gave me two different dry formula Eagle Pack foods and both had grains in them. Do you feed canned also? /mari (Spirit Cat) On 6/21/05, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat "treats" that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas[EMAIL PROTECTED]__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Title: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Kerry my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for Wellness dry: Crude Protein Not Less Than 33.0% Crude Fat Not Less Than 19.0% Crude Fiber Not More Than 5.0% Moisture Not More Than 10.0% Ash Not More Than 6.0% Magnesium Not More Than 0.10% Taurine Not Less Than 0.18% Omega-6 (Linoleic Acid) Not Less Than 3.5% Omega-3 (Linolenic Acid) Not Less Than 1.1%* * Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please
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Title: Message Thanks Hideyo! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:57 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Kerry my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's "toys for the boys" syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for Wellness dry: Crude Protein Not Less Than 33.0% Crude Fat Not Less Than 19.0% Crude Fiber Not More Than 5.0% Moisture Not More Than 10.0% Ash Not More Than 6.0% Magnesium Not More Than 0.10% Taurine Not Less Than 0.18% Omega-6 (Linoleic Acid) Not Less Than 3.5% Omega-3 (Linolenic Acid) Not Less Than 1.1%* * Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illin
RE: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat "treats" that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. THideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's "toys for the boys" syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for Wellness dry: Crude Protein Not Less Than 33.0% Crude Fat Not Less Than 19.0% Crude Fiber Not More Than 5.0% Moisture Not More Than 10.0% Ash Not More Than 6.0% Magnesium Not More Than 0.10% Taurine Not Less Than 0.18% Omega-6 (Linoleic Acid) Not Less Than 3.5% Omega-3 (Linolenic Acid) Not
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I've always had trouble getting my cats to eat Wellness.Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:54 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for Wellness dry: Crude Protein Not Less Than 33.0% Crude Fat Not Less Than 19.0% Crude Fiber Not More Than 5.0% Moisture Not More Than 10.0% Ash Not More Than 6.0% Magnesium Not More Than 0.10% Taurine Not Less Than 0.18% Omega-6 (Linoleic Acid) Not Less Than 3.5% Omega-3 (Linolenic Acid) Not Less Than 1.1%* * Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
I just tried Eagle Pack, but again, having trouble getting my guys to eat it! Any suggestions? Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:51 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you 12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry – my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food – I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
My guys stuck their noses up at Wellness too. I just bought Triumph canned and my guys seem to like every flavor so far. It doesn't contain meat by-products, or veggies, but it does have rice flour and guar gum. Nina Gloria Lane wrote: I just tried Eagle Pack, but again, having trouble getting my guys to eat it! Any suggestions? Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:51 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you 12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry – my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food – I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Hey, I'll try it. Been looking around for something to order or buy locally. Thanks so much! Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Nina wrote: My guys stuck their noses up at Wellness too. I just bought Triumph canned and my guys seem to like every flavor so far. It doesn't contain meat by-products, or veggies, but it does have rice flour and guar gum. Nina Gloria Lane wrote: I just tried Eagle Pack, but again, having trouble getting my guys to eat it! Any suggestions? Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:51 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat treats that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you 12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry – my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food – I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin RD. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's toys for the boys syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of
