Re: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help?
There is plenty of debate over whether or not that raid was appropriate. See this article on the PSPCA's abuse of authority: http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=NEWS0912 On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:21 PM, wrote: > In 2008, a large private no-kill rescue in western PA was raided and shut > down for bad conditions. > I can't remember the name of it - but maybe it was Tiger Ranch. There > were plenty of news articles on it. > > Why don't you check into who the authorities were in that case and maybe > that can give you > a lead on who in your area would be the comparable people to go to. > > I'm sorry that I don't have time right now to look it up and give you the > details. > > Trissa in Philladelphia > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Tofu - combo positive! http://rescuties.chipin.com/tofu "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help?
Hey everyone, I just wanted to thank all of you for your help, insight and suggestions. To answer your questions. The DA is in Washington County - Todd Martens, sorry not Milwaukee. I am sorry you have had a problem with the DA there, not a promising thought if we need to expand our scope. I am not familiar with the entity that oversee charities in Wisconsin, I will look into it. Thanks. We have, however, reported them to the IRS - who have them as a non for profit exempt organization but are strangely missing any information more than that. They are doing a formal investigation. We have had many people do formal complaints with the sheriff's department who don't seem to know what to do with it. It is encouraging that it could be done in Cananda. Ultimately, how do they get shut down? Was it by law, was there court intervention or was the sheriff's department the group that shut them down or some other organization? Finally, I would like to respond to Kelley S. I did in fact go there and volunteer my time and money in an attempt to improve the situation, as have many other before and after me. I met up with extreme resistance. I was told the shelter needed to stay in less than adequate conditions so people would continue to donate money. The resources, funds and people exist to change and improve the facility. It is the manager and her husband that refuse to allow it. Also, I do not use the term hoarder lightly. There are many wonderful people that have far too many animals. The difference is that these people take proper care of the animals they have, they know their limits and understand when they need help. There comes a point when, even though you think you are benefiting these animals by sacrificing your time, money and effort; you are in reality making them suffer because you cannot give them what they need with respect to food, water, shelter, love and medical care. When you lose sight of this line, you become a hoarder. So thank you for your input, but it seems that perhaps you do not have a full understanding of the situation I have described. Thank all you for your support and input. I deeply appreciate it. Jenny SALLY NORDSTROM wrote: > Where in Wisconsin? If it is Milwaukee County, give me a holler. I have had > so many problems with our DA and would be glad to add this to my list when I > gripe to the Mayor, County Supervisor, and Governor. > > "> -Original Message- > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > > jb...@tds.net > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:52 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help? > > > > You are a wonderful group of people with knowledge and > > connections that are > > fantastic. For that reason, I would like to ask for > > anyone's help or > > suggestions. > > > > There is a 'non-kill', all volunteer animal shelter > > in my community that is > > run by a 75 year old horder and her husband (the > > treasurer). The facility > > is horrendous condition. Feces, urine and vomit cover the > > floors, walls and > > cages. Medical care is all but ignored, disease runs > > through the facility. > > In fact they have felv and are ignoring it. I have taken > > four felv positive > > cats out of there in less than a year. Three have died. > > > > Many, many, many complaints have been made to the > > sheriff's department, only > > recently did we get them to present something to the > > DA's office, but they > > will not press charges. > > > > These are bad people running this facility and the animals > > suffer badly at > > their hands. They claim to be a poor facility that > > can't afford to change > > the situation, but own 1.7 million in personal property and > > have recently > > received $34,000 in donations with no change in the > > facility. They owe the > > government, the vet and many others. There is deceit, poor > > management and > > constant animal suffering. Does anyone know a lawyer that > > would be willing > > to help. The facility is in Wisconsin. > > > > We have involved HSUS, PETA, ALDF, the sheriff's > > department, the town board, > > local humane officer. Noone can get in to shut the place > > down. There must > > be some law that can help. Please help us help these > > animals. The stories > > are horrendous and never ending. > > > > Thanks > > > > Jenny > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://
Re: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help?
Try the Consumer Affairs division of the State Attorney General's office (not the same thing as the District Attorney). -Original Message- From: Chris To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help? In the state of Wisconsin, charities are overseen by the dept of regulation and licensing. It might be worth going thru them as if this place is collecting monies and not spending on the animals, then they are clearly in violation. If they collect monies and don't have the IRS status necessary, they are in violation. Also, have you enlisted the help of any of the larger shelters in the area? http://drl.wi.gov/boards/rco/index.htm Chris ti...@mindspring.com -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jb...@tds.net Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help? You are a wonderful group of people with knowledge and connections that are fantastic. For that reason, I would like to ask for anyone's help or suggestions. There is a 'non-kill', all volunteer animal shelter in my community that is run by a 75 year old horder and her husband (the treasurer). The facility is horrendous condition. Feces, urine and vomit cover the floors, walls and cages. Medical care is all but ignored, disease runs through the facility. In fact they have felv and are ignoring it. I have taken four felv positive cats out of there in less than a year. Three have died. Many, many, many complaints have been made to the sheriff's department, only recently did we get them to present something to the DA's office, but they will not press charges. These are bad people running this facility and the animals suffer badly at their hands. They claim to be a poor facility that can't afford to change the situation, but own 1.7 million in personal property and have recently received $34,000 in donations with no change in the facility. They owe the government, the vet and many others. There is deceit, poor management and constant animal suffering. Does anyone know a lawyer that would be willing to help. The facility is in Wisconsin. We have involved HSUS, PETA, ALDF, the sheriff's department, the town board, local humane officer. Noone can get in to shut the place down. There must be some law that can help. Please help us help these animals. The stories are horrendous and never ending. Thanks Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help?
Where in Wisconsin? If it is Milwaukee County, give me a holler. I have had so many problems with our DA and would be glad to add this to my list when I gripe to the Mayor, County Supervisor, and Governor. "> -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > jb...@tds.net > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:52 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help? > > You are a wonderful group of people with knowledge and > connections that are > fantastic. For that reason, I would like to ask for > anyone's help or > suggestions. > > There is a 'non-kill', all volunteer animal shelter > in my community that is > run by a 75 year old horder and her husband (the > treasurer). The facility > is horrendous condition. Feces, urine and vomit cover the > floors, walls and > cages. Medical care is all but ignored, disease runs > through the facility. > In fact they have felv and are ignoring it. I have taken > four felv positive > cats out of there in less than a year. Three have died. > > Many, many, many complaints have been made to the > sheriff's department, only > recently did we get them to present something to the > DA's office, but they > will not press charges. > > These are bad people running this facility and the animals > suffer badly at > their hands. They claim to be a poor facility that > can't afford to change > the situation, but own 1.7 million in personal property and > have recently > received $34,000 in donations with no change in the > facility. They owe the > government, the vet and many others. There is deceit, poor > management and > constant animal suffering. Does anyone know a lawyer that > would be willing > to help. The facility is in Wisconsin. > > We have involved HSUS, PETA, ALDF, the sheriff's > department, the town board, > local humane officer. Noone can get in to shut the place > down. There must > be some law that can help. Please help us help these > animals. The stories > are horrendous and never ending. > > Thanks > > Jenny > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help?
In the state of Wisconsin, charities are overseen by the dept of regulation and licensing. It might be worth going thru them as if this place is collecting monies and not spending on the animals, then they are clearly in violation. If they collect monies and don't have the IRS status necessary, they are in violation. Also, have you enlisted the help of any of the larger shelters in the area? http://drl.wi.gov/boards/rco/index.htm Chris ti...@mindspring.com -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jb...@tds.net Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help? You are a wonderful group of people with knowledge and connections that are fantastic. For that reason, I would like to ask for anyone's help or suggestions. There is a 'non-kill', all volunteer animal shelter in my community that is run by a 75 year old horder and her husband (the treasurer). The facility is horrendous condition. Feces, urine and vomit cover the floors, walls and cages. Medical care is all but ignored, disease runs through the facility. In fact they have felv and are ignoring it. I have taken four felv positive cats out of there in less than a year. Three have died. Many, many, many complaints have been made to the sheriff's department, only recently did we get them to present something to the DA's office, but they will not press charges. These are bad people running this facility and the animals suffer badly at their hands. They claim to be a poor facility that can't afford to change the situation, but own 1.7 million in personal property and have recently received $34,000 in donations with no change in the facility. They owe the government, the vet and many others. There is deceit, poor management and constant animal suffering. Does anyone know a lawyer that would be willing to help. The facility is in Wisconsin. We have involved HSUS, PETA, ALDF, the sheriff's department, the town board, local humane officer. Noone can get in to shut the place down. There must be some law that can help. Please help us help these animals. The stories are horrendous and never ending. Thanks Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help?
If the conditions are that horrendous, why not go out there and *help* them. Pick up a shovel, broom, bleach water, whatever needs to be done. Help them get volunteers, how many volunteers do they have? For God's sake don't involve PETA. They "rescue" animals only to kill them. Don't label people as hoarders. It is a nasty label and accomplishes nothing. If they are allowing you to remove animals from there by definition they are not hoarders since hoarders will not let go of any of their animals. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:51 PM, wrote: > You are a wonderful group of people with knowledge and connections that are > fantastic. For that reason, I would like to ask for anyone's help or > suggestions. > > There is a 'non-kill', all volunteer animal shelter in my community that is > run by a 75 year old horder and her husband (the treasurer). The facility > is horrendous condition. Feces, urine and vomit cover the floors, walls and > cages. Medical care is all but ignored, disease runs through the facility. > In fact they have felv and are ignoring it. I have taken four felv > positive cats out of there in less than a year. Three have died. > > Many, many, many complaints have been made to the sheriff's department, > only recently did we get them to present something to the DA's office, but > they will not press charges. > > These are bad people running this facility and the animals suffer badly at > their hands. They claim to be a poor facility that can't afford to change > the situation, but own 1.7 million in personal property and have recently > received $34,000 in donations with no change in the facility. They owe the > government, the vet and many others. There is deceit, poor management and > constant animal suffering. Does anyone know a lawyer that would be willing > to help. The facility is in Wisconsin. > > We have involved HSUS, PETA, ALDF, the sheriff's department, the town > board, local humane officer. Noone can get in to shut the place down. > There must be some law that can help. Please help us help these animals. > The stories are horrendous and never ending. > > Thanks > > Jenny > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Tofu - combo positive! http://rescuties.chipin.com/tofu "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
