Re: [Felvtalk] elevated liver enzymes

2009-03-26 Thread Christy Buchin

My Gray Kitty has had increased liver enzymes as well.  His went into the 
3,000!  It was due to the high steroid dosage.  As soon as we reduced it, it 
has since gone into the 300's.  He too was acting normal throughout.  
 
 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:44:25 -0400
 From: fs...@roadrunner.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 CC: lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] elevated liver enzymes
 
 Since my original post Orlando has finished a course of Clavamox. In July his 
 liver enzyme was 64. In Feb. before the antibiotic it was 191, and last 
 Saturday it was 224. Not extremely high, but still odd that it is going up. 
 He is eating normally and acting completely normal. The vet told me to start 
 giving him vitaman E and Milk Thistle and we will test him again in 6 months. 
 Meanwhile I will just watch him carefull to make sure his behavior does not 
 change. At this point the vet is trying to avoid a liver biopsy because his 
 levels are not that bad and the biopsy is so invasive.
 Sue
 
  Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: 
  I have experienced this twice with friends' kitties (accompanied them to the
  specialist). It was related to anorexia (we never did figure out why the one
  kitty wasn't eating..the other kitty had dental issues that turned out to be
  something else). Both had a feeding tube placed (E tube). From my
  understanding, this is an urgent matter.
  Laurie
  
  
  
    Sue  Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: 
Orlando, my 10 year old FeLV+ began urinating on the bathroom rug just
  over a week ago. I figured out who was doing it on Saturday and got him in
  to the vet on Monday. They tested his urine and blood and the vet called me
  today with the results. She said his liver enzymes are elevated and his
  white cell levels are high. She is going to put him on an antibiotic and
  re-do the tests in two weeks. (When I asked the name of the anti-biotic she
  side stepped the question and just said is is a pill wrapped in foil. I am
  currently looking for another vet because there is only one vet in this
  practice that I fully trust and it is very hard to get to see him.) 
Anyway, can anyone tell me what would make his liver enzymes elevated?
  The advise I have gotten on this list has proved to be better then the
  advise from this particular vet in the past, so I would very much appreciate
  any input.

   
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] elevated liver enzymes

2009-03-20 Thread Laurieskatz
I have experienced this twice with friends' kitties (accompanied them to the
specialist). It was related to anorexia (we never did figure out why the one
kitty wasn't eating..the other kitty had dental issues that turned out to be
something else). Both had a feeding tube placed (E tube). From my
understanding, this is an urgent matter.
Laurie



  Sue  Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: 
  Orlando, my 10 year old FeLV+ began urinating on the bathroom rug just
over a week ago.  I figured out who was doing it on Saturday and got him in
to the vet on Monday.  They tested his urine and blood and the vet called me
today with the results.  She said his liver enzymes are elevated and his
white cell levels are high.  She is going to put him on an antibiotic and
re-do the tests in two weeks.  (When I asked the name of the anti-biotic she
side stepped the question and just said is is a pill wrapped in foil. I am
currently looking for another vet because there is only one vet in this
practice that I fully trust and it is very hard to get to see him.) 
  Anyway, can anyone tell me what would make his liver enzymes elevated?
The advise I have gotten on this list has proved to be better then the
advise from this particular vet in the past, so I would very much appreciate
any input.
  
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] elevated liver enzymes

2009-03-20 Thread Sue Frank Koren
Since my original post Orlando has finished a course of Clavamox.  In July his 
liver enzyme was 64.  In Feb. before the antibiotic it was 191, and last 
Saturday it was 224.  Not extremely high, but still odd that it is going up.  
He is eating normally and acting completely normal.  The vet told me to start 
giving him vitaman E and Milk Thistle and we will test him again in 6 months. 
Meanwhile I will just watch him carefull to make sure his behavior does not 
change.  At this point the vet is trying to avoid a liver biopsy because his 
levels are not that bad and the biopsy is so invasive.
Sue

 Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: 
 I have experienced this twice with friends' kitties (accompanied them to the
 specialist). It was related to anorexia (we never did figure out why the one
 kitty wasn't eating..the other kitty had dental issues that turned out to be
 something else). Both had a feeding tube placed (E tube). From my
 understanding, this is an urgent matter.
 Laurie
 
 
 
   Sue  Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: 
   Orlando, my 10 year old FeLV+ began urinating on the bathroom rug just
 over a week ago.  I figured out who was doing it on Saturday and got him in
 to the vet on Monday.  They tested his urine and blood and the vet called me
 today with the results.  She said his liver enzymes are elevated and his
 white cell levels are high.  She is going to put him on an antibiotic and
 re-do the tests in two weeks.  (When I asked the name of the anti-biotic she
 side stepped the question and just said is is a pill wrapped in foil. I am
 currently looking for another vet because there is only one vet in this
 practice that I fully trust and it is very hard to get to see him.) 
   Anyway, can anyone tell me what would make his liver enzymes elevated?
 The advise I have gotten on this list has proved to be better then the
 advise from this particular vet in the past, so I would very much appreciate
 any input.
   
  
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes

2009-02-16 Thread Christy Buchin

I know our Gray Kitty's liver enzymes went up using some of the herbal meds.  
Once we backed off from some of them, they stabilized.  We do blood work every 
2 weeks to monitor all levels. Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:26:18 -0500 From: 
fs...@roadrunner.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] 
Elevated liver enzymes  Orlando, my 10 year old FeLV+ began urinating on the 
bathroom rug just over a week ago. I figured out who was doing it on Saturday 
and got him in to the vet on Monday. They tested his urine and blood and the 
vet called me today with the results. She said his liver enzymes are elevated 
and his white cell levels are high. She is going to put him on an antibiotic 
and re-do the tests in two weeks. (When I asked the name of the anti-biotic she 
side stepped the question and just said is is a pill wrapped in foil. I am 
currently looking for another vet because there is only one vet in this 
practice that I fully trust and it is very hard to get to see him.)  Anyway, 
can anyone tell me what would make his liver enzymes elevated? The advise I 
have gotten on this list has proved to be better then the advise from this 
particular vet in the past, so I would very much appreciate any input.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes

2009-02-16 Thread jbero
Hey,

I wrote a fairly long reply on why liver enzymes may be elevated.  
Unfortunatley, my cat decided to hit the escape button while rolling over and I 
lost the whole thing.

Anyway,  here's the long and short of it.

1.  The symptoms you are describing are common in urinary tract infections or 
crystal formation.  It is likely that Orlando has a urinary tract infection for 
which the antibiotics were prescribed.  Some antibiotics are sensitive to light 
and need to be wrapped in foil to protect it from light.

2.  An elevated white blood cell count is indicative of either an infection 
(which would be consistent with a urinary tract infection) or some type of 
lymphoma or leukemia (less likely given the symptoms)  This can usually be 
differentiated by looking and the types and ratios of which white blood cells 
are elevated.  Additionally, an elevated WBC (white blood cell) count is in 
many respects good in that it suggests that his bone marrow is not severely 
suppressed by felv.  It would help to know if his RBC (red blood cell) count is 
normal.

3.  Elevated liver enzymes are very non specific.  Many things can cause it.  
Either a primary liver process like a hepatic lipidosis, cirrhosis, hepatitis, 
etc.  Or other diseases and meds can cause it - common things are 
drugs/medications (the liver is the front line guy in recognizing and 
metabolizing meds/drugs/toxins), cancers, renal failure, pancreatitis.  In 
general there are a wide range of things that can cause elevated liver enzymes 
and depending on which ones are elevated, by how much and in comparison to the 
others, you can begin to get a feel for what may be the underlying cause.  My 
guess is that there is probably a relationship between the urinary tract 
infection and the elevated liver enzymes.  There may be, however, something 
more serious going on.

My personal recommendation would be to treat the urinary tract infection and 
consult a good veterinarian who is willing to discuss the meaning of the lab 
values.  I could likely give you some insight, but I do not know the details of 
the lab results and this could be potentially be somewhat complicated.  Unless 
the values are very elevated and concerning, I would wait until the urinary 
tract infection has resolved and retest the liver panel as these values may 
also come down.  If not, I would look further for a cause.  Hope this helps.  
Good luck.

Jenny
 Sue  Frank Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: 
 Orlando, my 10 year old FeLV+ began urinating on the bathroom rug just over a 
 week ago.  I figured out who was doing it on Saturday and got him in to the 
 vet on Monday.  They tested his urine and blood and the vet called me today 
 with the results.  She said his liver enzymes are elevated and his white cell 
 levels are high.  She is going to put him on an antibiotic and re-do the 
 tests in two weeks.  (When I asked the name of the anti-biotic she side 
 stepped the question and just said is is a pill wrapped in foil. I am 
 currently looking for another vet because there is only one vet in this 
 practice that I fully trust and it is very hard to get to see him.) 
 Anyway, can anyone tell me what would make his liver enzymes elevated?  The 
 advise I have gotten on this list has proved to be better then the advise 
 from this particular vet in the past, so I would very much appreciate any 
 input.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes

2009-02-11 Thread Debbie Harrison

Call their office and tell them you want the NAME of the medication and the 
dosage strength,they CAN'T not tell you!  It's your animal, and your 
money-this is your right.Debbie (COL)The time is always right to do what is 
right -  Martin Luther King Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:26:18 -0500 From: 
fs...@roadrunner.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] 
Elevated liver enzymes  Orlando, my 10 year old FeLV+ began urinating on the 
bathroom rug just over a week ago. I figured out who was doing it on Saturday 
and got him in to the vet on Monday. They tested his urine and blood and the 
vet called me today with the results. She said his liver enzymes are elevated 
and his white cell levels are high. She is going to put him on an antibiotic 
and re-do the tests in two weeks. (When I asked the name of the anti-biotic she 
side stepped the question and just said is is a pill wrapped in foil. I am 
currently looking for another vet because there is only one vet in this 
practice that I fully trust and it is very hard to get to see him.)  Anyway, 
can anyone tell me what would make his liver enzymes elevated? The advise I 
have gotten on this list has proved to be better then the advise from this 
particular vet in the past, so I would very much appreciate any input.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes

2009-02-11 Thread Laurieskatz
Elevated liver enzymes can mean Hepatic lipidosis (liver failure). If he is
eating less than normal he can go into liver failure. If it is that, he is
critical. I would ask her for a copy of the blood work and ask her how
elevated they are and consider getting him to another vet/specialist (and/or
get the numbers and provide them to the Feline Assisted feeding group). You
might join the FAF yahoo group. Also, I do not know what elevated white
blood cells mean other than an infection. Maybe liver enzymes elevate during
infectious process ~ I don't know the answer. Sounds like you might benefit
from doing some internet research?? 
 
I had elevated liver enzymes and they discovered tumors on my liver. 

Good luck!
L
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sue  Frank Koren
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:26 AM
To: FeLV Talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes

Orlando, my 10 year old FeLV+ began urinating on the bathroom rug just over
a week ago.  I figured out who was doing it on Saturday and got him in to
the vet on Monday.  They tested his urine and blood and the vet called me
today with the results.  She said his liver enzymes are elevated and his
white cell levels are high.  She is going to put him on an antibiotic and
re-do the tests in two weeks.  (When I asked the name of the anti-biotic she
side stepped the question and just said is is a pill wrapped in foil. I am
currently looking for another vet because there is only one vet in this
practice that I fully trust and it is very hard to get to see him.) 
Anyway, can anyone tell me what would make his liver enzymes elevated?  The
advise I have gotten on this list has proved to be better then the advise
from this particular vet in the past, so I would very much appreciate any
input.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes

2009-02-11 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
I was about to mention this myself, thanks for saving me the time.  I'd
add that hepatic lipidosis in itself does not constitute permanent liver
failure, and can be treated by feeding high-protein, low-fat food, by
force or esophageal tube if necessary if the cat isn't eating enough on
its own.  I've done this with 3 cats and while it's no walk in the park,
they all pulled through it and their enzymes eventually returned to
normal and they could resume a normal diet.  I don't know, either, if
the elevated enzymes can be a function of an infection or not.  I'd say
the best advice until you can get Orlando to a trustworthy vet (my God,
the one you saw sounds like a piece of work!) is to encourage him to eat
all the lean stuff you can get into him.  Good luck!

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes

Elevated liver enzymes can mean Hepatic lipidosis (liver failure). If he
is
eating less than normal he can go into liver failure. If it is that, he
is
critical. I would ask her for a copy of the blood work and ask her how
elevated they are and consider getting him to another vet/specialist
(and/or
get the numbers and provide them to the Feline Assisted feeding group).
You
might join the FAF yahoo group. Also, I do not know what elevated white
blood cells mean other than an infection. Maybe liver enzymes elevate
during
infectious process ~ I don't know the answer. Sounds like you might
benefit
from doing some internet research?? 
 
I had elevated liver enzymes and they discovered tumors on my liver. 

Good luck!
L
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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sue  Frank
Koren
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:26 AM
To: FeLV Talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes

Orlando, my 10 year old FeLV+ began urinating on the bathroom rug just
over
a week ago.  I figured out who was doing it on Saturday and got him in
to
the vet on Monday.  They tested his urine and blood and the vet called
me
today with the results.  She said his liver enzymes are elevated and his
white cell levels are high.  She is going to put him on an antibiotic
and
re-do the tests in two weeks.  (When I asked the name of the anti-biotic
she
side stepped the question and just said is is a pill wrapped in foil. I
am
currently looking for another vet because there is only one vet in this
practice that I fully trust and it is very hard to get to see him.) 
Anyway, can anyone tell me what would make his liver enzymes elevated?
The
advise I have gotten on this list has proved to be better then the
advise
from this particular vet in the past, so I would very much appreciate
any
input.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes

2009-02-11 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
The first thing that leaps to my mind, from experience, is hepatic
lipidosis (fatty liver disease) which generally happens when a cat isn't
eating enough to sustain it, its body tries to use its fat reserve for
nourishment, and the liver gets overloaded with fat.  The causes for the
cat not eating enough could be a lot of things -- something that makes
it painful to eat like stomatitis or pancreatitis, general blahness that
decreases the appetite, etc.  I had two cats sick at once with elevated
liver enzymes, plus neurological involvement, and we think they somehow
ingested some household toxin, although the other four cats did not.  Is
Orlando eating all right?  Once the cause of the not-eating is cleared
up, treatment for the liver is to stimulate the appetite but to feed
high-protein, low-fat food for a while.  Don't know of any other
condition that would account for the uncharacteristic peeing, though,
and your vet made no mention of diabetes?  Hope it's all just due to
infection, though, and good luck consulting another vet, the one you saw
sounds like a piece of work.

Diane R.

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Koren
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:26 AM
To: FeLV Talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes

Orlando, my 10 year old FeLV+ began urinating on the bathroom rug just
over a week ago.  I figured out who was doing it on Saturday and got him
in to the vet on Monday.  They tested his urine and blood and the vet
called me today with the results.  She said his liver enzymes are
elevated and his white cell levels are high.  She is going to put him on
an antibiotic and re-do the tests in two weeks.  (When I asked the name
of the anti-biotic she side stepped the question and just said is is a
pill wrapped in foil. I am currently looking for another vet because
there is only one vet in this practice that I fully trust and it is very
hard to get to see him.) 
Anyway, can anyone tell me what would make his liver enzymes elevated?
The advise I have gotten on this list has proved to be better then the
advise from this particular vet in the past, so I would very much
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Re: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes

2009-02-11 Thread Sue Frank Koren
His appetite has not changed at all.  He gobbles up his Wellness with Lysine 
and extra water just as always. He loves when the Temptation treats come out. 
Truthfully he should probably lose a little weight - but obviously not by being 
sick. He acts healthy in every way except for urinating on the rug.
I have sent questionnaires to local veterinarians to try to find someone that 
is better.  With vets you never know - I don't want to jump from the frying pan 
into the fire.  The man who owns this practice is actually very good.  It is 
just very hard to get to see him because everyone wants their animal to see 
him. I wanted Orlando to get in fast so I was stuck with the one I don't like.
Sue

 Rosenfeldt wrote: 
 I was about to mention this myself, thanks for saving me the time.  I'd
 add that hepatic lipidosis in itself does not constitute permanent liver
 failure, and can be treated by feeding high-protein, low-fat food, by
 force or esophageal tube if necessary if the cat isn't eating enough on
 its own.  I've done this with 3 cats and while it's no walk in the park,
 they all pulled through it and their enzymes eventually returned to
 normal and they could resume a normal diet.  I don't know, either, if
 the elevated enzymes can be a function of an infection or not.  I'd say
 the best advice until you can get Orlando to a trustworthy vet (my God,
 the one you saw sounds like a piece of work!) is to encourage him to eat
 all the lean stuff you can get into him.  Good luck!
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
 Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:40 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes
 
 Elevated liver enzymes can mean Hepatic lipidosis (liver failure). If he
 is
 eating less than normal he can go into liver failure. If it is that, he
 is
 critical. I would ask her for a copy of the blood work and ask her how
 elevated they are and consider getting him to another vet/specialist
 (and/or
 get the numbers and provide them to the Feline Assisted feeding group).
 You
 might join the FAF yahoo group. Also, I do not know what elevated white
 blood cells mean other than an infection. Maybe liver enzymes elevate
 during
 infectious process ~ I don't know the answer. Sounds like you might
 benefit
 from doing some internet research?? 
  
 I had elevated liver enzymes and they discovered tumors on my liver. 
 
 Good luck!
 L
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sue  Frank
 Koren
 Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:26 AM
 To: FeLV Talk
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes
 
 Orlando, my 10 year old FeLV+ began urinating on the bathroom rug just
 over
 a week ago.  I figured out who was doing it on Saturday and got him in
 to
 the vet on Monday.  They tested his urine and blood and the vet called
 me
 today with the results.  She said his liver enzymes are elevated and his
 white cell levels are high.  She is going to put him on an antibiotic
 and
 re-do the tests in two weeks.  (When I asked the name of the anti-biotic
 she
 side stepped the question and just said is is a pill wrapped in foil. I
 am
 currently looking for another vet because there is only one vet in this
 practice that I fully trust and it is very hard to get to see him.) 
 Anyway, can anyone tell me what would make his liver enzymes elevated?
 The
 advise I have gotten on this list has proved to be better then the
 advise
 from this particular vet in the past, so I would very much appreciate
 any
 input.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes

2009-02-11 Thread Heather
Also with Hepatic Lipidosis, usually something like Denosyl or Denamarin
would be given, and often a cocktail that might include arginine 
cartinine, not sure what else but possibly some other things from my
recollection.

  If he is eating well, hopefully it's not HL--good luck!!!




  Rosenfeldt wrote:
  I was about to mention this myself, thanks for saving me the time.  I'd
  add that hepatic lipidosis in itself does not constitute permanent liver
  failure, and can be treated by feeding high-protein, low-fat food, by
  force or esophageal tube if necessary if the cat isn't eating enough on
  its own.  I've done this with 3 cats and while it's no walk in the park,
  they all pulled through it and their enzymes eventually returned to
  normal and they could resume a normal diet.  I don't know, either, if
  the elevated enzymes can be a function of an infection or not.  I'd say
  the best advice until you can get Orlando to a trustworthy vet (my God,
  the one you saw sounds like a piece of work!) is to encourage him to eat
  all the lean stuff you can get into him.  Good luck!
 
  Diane R.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
  Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:40 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes
 
  Elevated liver enzymes can mean Hepatic lipidosis (liver failure). If he
  is
  eating less than normal he can go into liver failure. If it is that, he
  is
  critical. I would ask her for a copy of the blood work and ask her how
  elevated they are and consider getting him to another vet/specialist
  (and/or
  get the numbers and provide them to the Feline Assisted feeding group).
  You
  might join the FAF yahoo group. Also, I do not know what elevated white
  blood cells mean other than an infection. Maybe liver enzymes elevate
  during
  infectious process ~ I don't know the answer. Sounds like you might
  benefit
  from doing some internet research??
 
  I had elevated liver enzymes and they discovered tumors on my liver.
 
  Good luck!
  L
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sue  Frank
  Koren
  Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:26 AM
  To: FeLV Talk
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Elevated liver enzymes
 
  Orlando, my 10 year old FeLV+ began urinating on the bathroom rug just
  over
  a week ago.  I figured out who was doing it on Saturday and got him in
  to
  the vet on Monday.  They tested his urine and blood and the vet called
  me
  today with the results.  She said his liver enzymes are elevated and his
  white cell levels are high.  She is going to put him on an antibiotic
  and
  re-do the tests in two weeks.  (When I asked the name of the anti-biotic
  she
  side stepped the question and just said is is a pill wrapped in foil. I
  am
  currently looking for another vet because there is only one vet in this
  practice that I fully trust and it is very hard to get to see him.)
  Anyway, can anyone tell me what would make his liver enzymes elevated?
  The
  advise I have gotten on this list has proved to be better then the
  advise
  from this particular vet in the past, so I would very much appreciate
  any
  input.
 
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