Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up and the week after / Dawn-I got the Rutin
This sounds interesting, but it's not the same tonic. The one I'm talking about is made from Neem, Graviola, Chapparal, and Andreopraphis. You buy the herbs and make it yourself - very inexpensive. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Bartholomew Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up and the week after / Dawn-I got the Rutin This product may potentiate anesthetics and shouldn't be taken along with antidepressants. May also interfere with anti-tumor drugs. Do not give to cats who are pregnant or lactating. Although rare, photosensitization may occur. This product does not contain any preservatives so refrigerate after opening. Shelf life after opening is 6 months when refrigerated. So don't use if your cat is getting chemo or had cancer. I just found this out-Dawn http://www.petwellbeing.com/products/felimm-for-feline-leukemia-virus-and-fi v Felimm for Feline Leukemia Virus and FIV Item # PH 2450 In Stock Herbal formula to support immunodeficiency in cats * Promotes a better quality of life for infected cats * Helps maintain a healthy immune system * Encourage your cats natural defenses * Helps protect against bacterial and viral infections * Supports detoxification of the lymphatic system * Helps fight upper-respiratory tract infections * Improves appetite, skin quality, and energy * 1 Bottle = 3.4oz (100 ml) What Is Felimm? If your cat is suffering from Feline Immunodeficiency Virus (FIV)... or Feline Leukemia Virus (FeLV)... you will want to pay careful attention to every word on this page. Although feline FIV and FeLV are different viruses, they share one thing in common... they weaken your cat's immune system. With a weak immune system, your cat becomes much more vulnerable to illnesses... some that could be fatal. In fact, right now your cat's weak immune system could be trying to fight off a deadly virus. Since there is no cure for FeLV or FIV in cats, what you must do is try to maintain the strength of their immune system. Felimm is a multi-herbal formula designed to do exactly that... help maintain a healthy immune system in your cat. How does it do this? It all comes down to the unique herbs in the formula... and how they work together to help keep your loyal little friend healthy. How will the ingredients in Felimm help my cat? St. John's Wort: this popular herb is an immunostimulant which means it helps stimulate the health and strength of your cat's immune system. Not only that, St. John's Wort is also anti-viral... it battles against viruses that are attacking your cat's weakened immune system. This is a perfect combination: helping to build up the immune system while fighting off viruses that are attacking it. Alfalfa: this plant contains high levels of chlorophyll which works as an antioxidant in your cat's bloodstream. It also contains high levels of vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and other nutrients that are valuable for a cat with an immune disorder. Burdock: this anti-leukemic herb promotes blood detoxification. It helps support healthy liver function and is known for improving skin complexion. Aloe: this plant contains "Acemannan" which supports the production of immune system promoting chemicals. Like St. John's Wort, it is an immunostimulant to help maintain the health of your cat's immune system. It is also anti-bacterial which is so important when your cat's immune system has been compromised. Cat's Claw: this herb helps encourage a healthy immune system. It's a natural source of healthful antioxidants and is anti-inflammatory which can help with any joint issues. Dandelion: helps to naturally detox the liver. This herb assists in bringing down water retention and promotes healthy kidney function. It also supports proper gallbladder function while encouraging better digestion and appetite. Gotu Kola: promotes the strength of the immune system. This herb is also rich in flavonoids which are antioxidants found in nature. Antioxidants help protect against damage to your cat's cells caused by free radicals. Consuming foods that contain flavonoids has been linked to a large number of health benefits. Turmeric: in Indonesia it's called "The Queen of All Herbs". In China, Turmeric is a go-to herb that has been relied upon for centuries. The curcumin in Turmeric is a powerful antioxidant... which helps fight the damaging effects of free radicals. It also helps with liver detoxification, inflammation, and discourages tumor promotion. Usnea: this herb has antibiotic properties along with being anti-bacterial and anti-fungal against Candida Albicans (which a weakened immune system is more vulnerable to). Usnea is also a source of Vit
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up and the week after / Dawn-I got the Rutin
ural antiseptic. A major benefit of Myrrh is that it helps control bacterial infections. This is crucial for a cat with an immune system that is compromised. Goldenseal: originally relied on by Native Americans, this herb is a known immune supporting herb. It also helps control overgrowth of the Candida yeast which can cause many uncomfortable symptoms. On top of all this, Goldenseal also helps encourage proper digestion. When you combine all these natural ingredients together you get a supplement that can help maintain your cat's immune system... fight off bacteria... and supply a variety of healthful nutrients. If you have a cat with FIV or FeLV, you need all the immune protection you can get... and you probably want to do that naturally. Felimm is the all natural, holistic way to get that protection... and provide your cat with the best quality of life possible. ------------------ From: "Natalie" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:45 AM To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up and the week after / Dawn-I got the Rutin > Has anyone considered trying a tonic that helps and even cures cancer - it > hasn't been tried on FeLV+ cats, as far as I know, but it could make life a > lot better for the cats! Natalie > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:52 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up and the week after / Dawn-I got > the Rutin > > Dawn-I went to the health food store right away and got the Rutin-pulverized > the > tablets and put it in gel caps. I am giving it 2x a day with his other meds. > His > breathing is easier-5 days now on the Lasix and pred along with the cypro > and > doxy and iron. We are cutting the Procrit shots down to 2x a week and I will > > bump the LTCI to once a week-his HCT went up almost 6 points to 38.9 and RBC > is > 6.48, HGB is 11.6. I still am numb-he survived the anemia crash and is in > normal > ranges again just to be hit with lymphoma. Some of what I read up on the > Rutin > said it has anti cancer qualities along with being an antioxidant. All I can > do > is pray the lymphoma goes into remission, but the vet said it would be > quick-maybe a week or two if she had to guess and we are approaching a week. > But > you never know. He is absolutely the sweetest boy and my shadow. I am > dreading > this. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up and the week after / Dawn-I got the Rutin
I am one hundred percent in agreement with Natalie. The tonic is an all herbal mixture that has anti-cancer effects. It also has anti-inflammatory effects which would help as well. It seems worth a try to me. Jenny On 9/23/10, Alice Flowers wrote: > > Dawn-I went to the health food store right away and got the > Rutin-pulverized the > tablets and put it in gel caps. I am giving it 2x a day with his other > meds. His > breathing is easier-5 days now on the Lasix and pred along with the cypro > and > doxy and iron. We are cutting the Procrit shots down to 2x a week and I > will > bump the LTCI to once a week-his HCT went up almost 6 points to 38.9 and > RBC is > 6.48, HGB is 11.6. I still am numb-he survived the anemia crash and is in > normal > ranges again just to be hit with lymphoma. Some of what I read up on the > Rutin > said it has anti cancer qualities along with being an antioxidant. All I > can do > is pray the lymphoma goes into remission, but the vet said it would be > quick-maybe a week or two if she had to guess and we are approaching a > week. But > you never know. He is absolutely the sweetest boy and my shadow. I am > dreading > this. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up and the week after / Dawn-I got the Rutin
Has anyone considered trying a tonic that helps and even cures cancer - it hasn't been tried on FeLV+ cats, as far as I know, but it could make life a lot better for the cats! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up and the week after / Dawn-I got the Rutin Dawn-I went to the health food store right away and got the Rutin-pulverized the tablets and put it in gel caps. I am giving it 2x a day with his other meds. His breathing is easier-5 days now on the Lasix and pred along with the cypro and doxy and iron. We are cutting the Procrit shots down to 2x a week and I will bump the LTCI to once a week-his HCT went up almost 6 points to 38.9 and RBC is 6.48, HGB is 11.6. I still am numb-he survived the anemia crash and is in normal ranges again just to be hit with lymphoma. Some of what I read up on the Rutin said it has anti cancer qualities along with being an antioxidant. All I can do is pray the lymphoma goes into remission, but the vet said it would be quick-maybe a week or two if she had to guess and we are approaching a week. But you never know. He is absolutely the sweetest boy and my shadow. I am dreading this. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up and the week after / Dawn-I got the Rutin
Dawn-I went to the health food store right away and got the Rutin-pulverized the tablets and put it in gel caps. I am giving it 2x a day with his other meds. His breathing is easier-5 days now on the Lasix and pred along with the cypro and doxy and iron. We are cutting the Procrit shots down to 2x a week and I will bump the LTCI to once a week-his HCT went up almost 6 points to 38.9 and RBC is 6.48, HGB is 11.6. I still am numb-he survived the anemia crash and is in normal ranges again just to be hit with lymphoma. Some of what I read up on the Rutin said it has anti cancer qualities along with being an antioxidant. All I can do is pray the lymphoma goes into remission, but the vet said it would be quick-maybe a week or two if she had to guess and we are approaching a week. But you never know. He is absolutely the sweetest boy and my shadow. I am dreading this. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up
Oh, Alice, I am so sorry. Hugs to you and your family, and an extra one to Murphy. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up We seemed to have the anemia under control with the Procrit (epogen) and iron, doxy and cypro, but we got hit hard today. I told our vet that although he seems good with color in his mucous membranes, he looks to me to be breathing too fast. She checked and his lungs sounded raspy-the ultrasound showed that he has pockets of fluid and lymphoma. We are going to be giving lasix and pred for the short time he has left. This FeLV has ravaged our little family-soon Rosie will be the last kitty standing out of the 6 we began this awful journey with 2 years ago. I am sick and cannot think-this is too much to bear. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up-Dawn / Procrit
I will go to the health food store tomorrow to see if I can find the Rutin! When we began with Murphy's anemia crash on 7/24 his RBC was 3.5, HGB 5.1, HCT 22 On 8/28 his RBC was 4.8, HGB 12.5, HCT was 33.9 I really think the combo of doxycycline (in case there was any parasites or other bacterial secondary junk) cyproheptadine because he had been sneezy and it helped with his appetite-the iron caps to help the anemia. The Procrit was only 21 units in an insulin syringe-easy to give at home sub q 3x a week. He had quit eating and drinking for a few days and I was using a syringe to feed him-he had lost almost 2 pounds-from 12 lbs to 10-today he was back up to 10 lbs 13 oz. I just feel like we crossed a big hurdle just to hit a brick wall. I am tired of losing my babies and crying. Whoda thunk it-I didn't even have a cat at all for over a decade before we trapped the feral babies-and I'd take a bullet for these guys-there has been so much loss, so quickly. This whole group has been on the same path with our sweet innocents. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up
Rutin worked for the fluid build up in my kitty. You can get it at the health food store. It does take a couple of weeks to start working. I was getting him tapped all of the time. Now no new build of of fluid for 3 weeks. His breathing is good. I started with 250 mg and went up to 500 mg and it started to work. I gave him 125 4 times a day. I am have problems with anemia, RBC just under 4. Does the Procrit really work? I am sorry for your situation. I know this is so hard for all of us. Dawn -- From: "Alice Flowers" Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:03 PM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up We seemed to have the anemia under control with the Procrit (epogen) and iron, doxy and cypro, but we got hit hard today. I told our vet that although he seems good with color in his mucous membranes, he looks to me to be breathing too fast. She checked and his lungs sounded raspy-the ultrasound showed that he has pockets of fluid and lymphoma. We are going to be giving lasix and pred for the short time he has left. This FeLV has ravaged our little family-soon Rosie will be the last kitty standing out of the 6 we began this awful journey with 2 years ago. I am sick and cannot think-this is too much to bear. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up
I'm so sorry Alice. You have done so much for Murphy and Rosie. I'll keep all of you in my prayers. Sharyl --- On Fri, 9/17/10, Alice Flowers wrote: > From: Alice Flowers > Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 8:03 PM > We seemed to have the anemia under > control with the Procrit (epogen) and iron, > doxy and cypro, but we got hit hard today. I told our vet > that although he seems > good with color in his mucous membranes, he looks to me to > be breathing too > fast. She checked and his lungs sounded raspy-the > ultrasound showed that he has > pockets of fluid and lymphoma. We are going to be giving > lasix and pred for the > short time he has left. This FeLV has ravaged our little > family-soon Rosie will > be the last kitty standing out of the 6 we began this awful > journey with 2 years > ago. I am sick and cannot think-this is too much to bear. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up
Alice, I lost two of five to this lousy disease, can't imagine going through it as many times as you have. Wishing you strength to see Murphy through his journey. They were a lucky litter to find you. Hugs, Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
