Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread Sally Davis
Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are
bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .

James I am still here.

Sally Davis




 The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard
 stray colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means
 responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed.

 JMHO
 Sharyl

   *From:* GRAS g...@optonline.net
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of
 them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the
 ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats
 and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a
 known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as
 infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures.
 Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical
 care!
 I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for
 700 cats!
 Natalie



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 .  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral
colony.  I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males and
females are released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day
and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and
try to adopt out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage
these feral/hard stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who
is only happy outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard
strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their
colonies once they have been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the
population is controlled.
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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread Melinda Kerr
I also received that email and did not know what it meant.  I know my last 
posting was very short and posted.  I was thinking that maybe a filter was 
causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read a 
chain with emails that I didn't see.



On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote:

 Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are 
 bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .
 
 James I am still here.
 
 Sally Davis
 
 
 
  
 The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard 
 stray colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means responsible 
 s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. 
  
 JMHO
 Sharyl
 
 From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links
 
 I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
 them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways 
 that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats and 
 release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known 
 fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as 
 infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures.
 Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care!
 I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 
 cats!
 Natalie
  
  
 
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 .  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony.  I 
 also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males and females are 
 released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day and females 
 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try to adopt 
 out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard 
 stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy 
 outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we 
 can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have 
 been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the population is controlled. 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread Tracey Shrout
Yes, I got the same message...I clicked on the link to 're-enable' and I
guess it worked...not malicious that I know of.



On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are
 bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .

 James I am still here.

 Sally Davis




 The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard
 stray colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means
 responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed.

 JMHO
 Sharyl

   *From:* GRAS g...@optonline.net
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care
 of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the
 ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats
 and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a
 known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as
 infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures.
 Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical
 care!
 I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for
 700 cats!
 Natalie



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 .  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral
 colony.  I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males and
 females are released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day
 and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and
 try to adopt out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage
 these feral/hard stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who
 is only happy outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard
 strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their
 colonies once they have been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the
 population is controlled.


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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread P Rose
I also received an email. I'm fairly new to the group and haven't posted as
of yet. I didn't understand why they said the emails to me were bouncing
because I have been receiving all of your posts on a regular basis. Anyone
have a clue?

Prairie Rose



On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote:

 I also received that email and did not know what it meant.  I know my last
 posting was very short and posted.  I was thinking that maybe a filter was
 causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read
 a chain with emails that I didn't see.



 On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote:

 Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are
 bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .

 James I am still here.

 Sally Davis




 The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard
 stray colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means
 responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed.

 JMHO
 Sharyl

   *From:* GRAS g...@optonline.net
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care
 of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the
 ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats
 and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a
 known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as
 infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures.
 Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical
 care!
 I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for
 700 cats!
 Natalie



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 .  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral
 colony.  I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males and
 females are released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day
 and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and
 try to adopt out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage
 these feral/hard stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who
 is only happy outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard
 strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their
 colonies once they have been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the
 population is controlled.

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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread Marta Gasper
I thought it could be b/c my Inbox is always full but if most everybody has 
receive it doesn't sound like it..some programs are set to send those notices 
every so often, not sure exactly why, but I've had those before from different 
lists I'm at
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From: P Rose becauseofbent...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR


I also received an email. I'm fairly new to the group and haven't posted as of 
yet. I didn't understand why they said the emails to me were bouncing because I 
have been receiving all of your posts on a regular basis. Anyone have a clue?


Prairie Rose



On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote:

I also received that email and did not know what it meant.  I know my last 
posting was very short and posted.  I was thinking that maybe a filter was 
causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read a 
chain with emails that I didn't see. 






On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote:

Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are 
bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .

James I am still here.

Sally Davis






The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard 
stray colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means 
responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed.  

JMHO
Sharyl


From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links


I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the 
ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats 
and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a 
known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as 
infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures.
Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care!
I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 
cats!
Natalie
 


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.  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony.  
I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males and females are 
released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day and females 
3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try to adopt 
out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard 
stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy 
outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we 
can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have 
been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the population is controlled. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread James G Wilson
Hey all,

We've been having problems lately of certain email hosts 
bouncing mail back to the server. Even my address was 
bounced. It seems to be happening every couple of 
weeks lately. Don't worry though. I go in and manually 
reset all of the group's addresses back to regular mail. 
Sorry for the inconvenience. But, as long as spammers 
are allowed to flood the networks, we'll have to deal with 
this. Please feel free to let me know if there are any other 
issues. Best wishes to all.

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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread GRAS
Are you talking about ones that are over-size for this group?  Just erase
some older comments at the bottom, and re-send.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

 

I also received that email and did not know what it meant.  I know my last
posting was very short and posted.  I was thinking that maybe a filter was
causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read
a chain with emails that I didn't see.

 

 

 

On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote:





Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are
bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .

James I am still here.

Sally Davis




 

The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard
stray colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means
responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed.  

 

JMHO

Sharyl

 

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 

I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don't like some of the
ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats
and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a
known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as
infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures.

Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical
care!

I can't even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700
cats!

Natalie

 

 


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.  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony.
I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males and females are
released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day and females
3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try to adopt
out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard
stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy
outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we
can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have
been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the population is controlled. 


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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread GRAS
Messages too long.

What I don't understand is that until recently, the accepted size was 20KB,
now slightly longer ones are allowed to come through - this one was 30KB (I
will erase some things from the bottom before II send this). Does anyone
know what the limit is right now?

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of P Rose
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

 

I also received an email. I'm fairly new to the group and haven't posted as
of yet. I didn't understand why they said the emails to me were bouncing
because I have been receiving all of your posts on a regular basis. Anyone
have a clue?

 

Prairie Rose

 

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote:

I also received that email and did not know what it meant.  I know my last
posting was very short and posted.  I was thinking that maybe a filter was
causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read
a chain with emails that I didn't see.

 

On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote:





Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are
bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .

James I am still here.

Sally Davis

The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard
stray colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means
responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed.  

JMHO

Sharyl

 

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 

I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don't like some of the
ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats
and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a
known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as
infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures.

Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical
care!

I can't even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700
cats!

Natalie

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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread GRAS
What is the maximum size this group handles right now?
It used to be 20KB, now I just saw a 30KB that came through.  This is very
confusing. I have even tried sending something longer in sections, and it
didn't work.
Would you please change my e-mail address back to the original one:
at...@optonline.net or in addition to the one I am using right now.
Thank you,
Natalie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 11:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

Hey all,

We've been having problems lately of certain email hosts bouncing mail back
to the server. Even my address was bounced. It seems to be happening every
couple of weeks lately. Don't worry though. I go in and manually reset all
of the group's addresses back to regular mail. 
Sorry for the inconvenience. But, as long as spammers are allowed to flood
the networks, we'll have to deal with this. Please feel free to let me know
if there are any other issues. Best wishes to all.

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread James G Wilson
The maximum length of messages is set to 20Kb. So, I 
am not sure how a 30Kb one got through. I've added your 
other email address back. Let me know if there's anything 
else I can do. Kind regards.

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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-09 Thread Lorrie
I have several FelV cats, and they have lived long healthy lives.
I do not think an asymtomatic FelV cat should be automatically
euthanized. There are sanctuaries that take FelV cats, or they 
should be isolated from other cats, but not killed.

Lorrie


On 03-08, Beth wrote:
I agree, FeLV should be put down or homed. I have returned FIV cats
Unfortunately,  Alley  Cat Allies thinks they all should be returned 
not  even tested. The place I have gotten ferals fixed believes this 
refuses to test ferals.
Crazy.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-09 Thread Beth
We're talking about feral colonies.
That's not possible in with large colonies. If it was a cat in my neighborhood, 
I would just take it in, feral or not which I have done.
Large sanctuaries do not have resources to manage large numbers of FeLV cats, 
especially not feral FeLV cats. It may be sad, but it is the best choice with 
ferals. I could not bear the thought of a feral cat dying slowly alone from 
FeLV.

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 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
 
I have several FelV cats, and they have lived long healthy lives.
I do not think an asymtomatic FelV cat should be automatically
euthanized. There are sanctuaries that take FelV cats, or they 
should be isolated from other cats, but not killed.

Lorrie


On 03-08, Beth wrote:
    I agree, FeLV should be put down or homed. I have returned FIV cats
    Unfortunately,  Alley  Cat Allies thinks they all should be returned 
    not  even tested. The place I have gotten ferals fixed believes this 
    refuses to test ferals.
    Crazy.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-08 Thread Beth
If you fix a positive mom  put her back in a colony you are spreading FeLV. It 
does not just spread by her having babies, It will spread by her sharing water 
with the other cats.

Beth

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 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links
 

I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR.  TNR is one of the best 
ways of fighting the spread of FeLV.  In my experience a positive momma will 
have positive kittens.  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in 
a feral colony.  I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males 
and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day 
and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try 
to adopt out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these 
feral/hard stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only 
happy outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but 
we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have 
been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the population is controlled. 
 
The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard stray 
colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, 
feeding and medical treatment when needed.  
 
JMHO
Sharyl

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
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Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links
 

I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways 
that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats and 
release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known 
fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, 
and even disembowelment due to ruptures.
Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care!
I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 
cats!
Natalie
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-08 Thread Marta Gasper
FeLV cats should not be returned to colonies, boys or girls. FeLV is too easily 
contracted. Besides we don't make them any favors by releasing them in the 
wild. IMO a FELV+ feral should be either euthanized or sanctuaried away from 
others.
Now a FIV+ is a different story, as long as the cat is healthy I return 
neutered fivers, besides the snap for FIV gives false results.
Many will differ with my opinion but I've seen just one cat infect 27 others in 
a household while I've mixed FIV+ for years w/o problems.
Marta

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From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR


If you fix a positive mom  put her back in a colony you are spreading FeLV. It 
does not just spread by her having babies, It will spread by her sharing water 
with the other cats.

Beth

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From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links


I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR.  TNR is one of the best 
ways of fighting the spread of FeLV.  In my experience a positive momma will 
have positive kittens.  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in 
a feral colony.  I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males 
and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day 
and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try 
to adopt out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these 
feral/hard stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only 
happy outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but 
we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have 
been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the population is controlled. 
 
The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard stray 
colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, 
feeding and medical treatment when needed.  
 
JMHO
Sharyl

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
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I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways 
that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats and 
release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known 
fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, 
and even disembowelment due to ruptures.
Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care!
I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 
cats!
Natalie
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-08 Thread Beth
I agree, FeLV should be put down or homed. I have returned FIV cats

Unfortunately, Alley Cat Allies thinks they all should be returned  not even 
tested. The place I have gotten ferals fixed believes this  refuses to test 
ferals.
Crazy.

 
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 From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
 

FeLV cats should not be returned to colonies, boys or girls. FeLV is too easily 
contracted. Besides we don't make them any favors by releasing them in the 
wild. IMO a FELV+ feral should be either euthanized or sanctuaried away from 
others.
Now a FIV+ is a different story, as long as the cat is healthy I return 
neutered fivers, besides the snap for FIV gives false results.
Many will differ with my opinion but I've seen just one cat infect 27 others in 
a household while I've mixed FIV+ for years w/o problems.
Marta
 
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From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR


If you fix a positive mom  put her back in a colony you are spreading FeLV. It 
does not just spread by her having babies, It will spread by her sharing water 
with the other cats.

Beth

 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 

From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links


I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR.  TNR is one of the best 
ways of fighting the spread of FeLV.  In my experience a positive momma will 
have positive kittens.  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in 
a feral colony.  I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males 
and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day 
and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try 
to adopt out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these 
feral/hard stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only 
happy outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but 
we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have 
been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the population is controlled. 
 
The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard stray 
colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, 
feeding and medical treatment when needed.  
 
JMHO
Sharyl

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links


 
I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways 
that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats and 
release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known 
fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, 
and even disembowelment due to ruptures.
Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care!
I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 
cats!
Natalie
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-08 Thread Lee Evans


TNR is a good way to guard against the spread of FIV since the way most cats 
spread this disease is through deep bites while fighting during mating season.  
FIV is not easily spread through contact with other cats.  A mom cat who is 
FIV+ may pass it to her offspring but they may also throw it off within 3 
months and test negative after that.  In addition, I have a small group of FIV 
cats who have been living with it for the past 6 years and are healthy and 
happy.  My FeLv cats on the other hand, may remain non-symptomatic for as long 
as 2 years but eventually, they do succumb to either the disease or other 
complications due to the underlying disease, mostly lymphoma.  So don't mix 
FeLv+ cats with regular cats.  But mixing neutered/spayed FIV+ cats with your 
regular feline community will not ordinarily endanger anyone unless one of the 
cats in the group is a habitual nasty fighter.  Most of my cats have a couple 
of FIV+ cats mixed in but no one is
 a serious fighter so they are all safe.  Lee



From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR


If you fix a positive mom  put her back in a colony you are spreading FeLV. It 
does not just spread by her having babies, It will spread by her sharing water 
with the other cats.

Beth

 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 



From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links


I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR.  TNR is one of the best 
ways of fighting the spread of FeLV.  In my experience a positive momma will 
have positive kittens.  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in 
a feral colony.  I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males 
and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day 
and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try 
to adopt out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these 
feral/hard stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only 
happy outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but 
we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have 
been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the population is controlled. 
 
The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard stray 
colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, 
feeding and medical treatment when needed.  
 
JMHO
Sharyl



From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links


I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways 
that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats and 
release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known 
fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, 
and even disembowelment due to ruptures.
Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care!
I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 
cats!
Natalie
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-08 Thread Beth
Yes, I do return FIV cats, but nor FeLV cats, but,like I said, Alley Cat Allies 
is against testing any ferals  would return FeLV cats.

 
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Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
 



TNR is a good way to guard against the spread of FIV since the way most cats 
spread this disease is through deep bites while fighting during mating season.  
FIV is not easily spread through contact with other cats.  A mom cat who is 
FIV+ may pass it to her offspring but they may also throw it off within 3 
months and test negative after that.  In addition, I have a small group of FIV 
cats who have been living with it for the past 6 years and are healthy and 
happy.  My FeLv cats on the other hand, may remain non-symptomatic for as long 
as 2 years but eventually, they do succumb to either the disease or other 
complications due to the underlying disease, mostly lymphoma.  So don't mix 
FeLv+ cats with regular cats.  But mixing neutered/spayed FIV+ cats with your 
regular feline community will not ordinarily endanger anyone unless one of the 
cats in the group is a habitual nasty fighter.  Most of my cats have a couple 
of FIV+ cats mixed in but no one is
 a serious fighter so they are all safe.  Lee

From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR


If you fix a positive mom  put her back in a colony you are spreading FeLV. It 
does not just spread by her having babies, It will spread by her sharing water 
with the other cats.

Beth

 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 

From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links


I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR.  TNR is one of the best 
ways of fighting the spread of FeLV.  In my experience a positive momma will 
have positive kittens.  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in 
a feral colony.  I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males 
and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day 
and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try 
to adopt out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these 
feral/hard stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only 
happy outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but 
we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have 
been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the population is controlled. 
 
The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard stray 
colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, 
feeding and medical treatment when needed.  
 
JMHO
Sharyl

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links


 
I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways 
that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats and 
release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known 
fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, 
and even disembowelment due to ruptures.
Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care!
I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 
cats!
Natalie
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies

2009-10-01 Thread MaryChristine
as one of my feral friends puts it, we don't kill healthy cats.

-- 
Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies

2009-09-30 Thread Sharyl
Not sure how all TNR individuals or groups handle the situation of FIV and/or 
FeLV+ colony members.  I'm on the Feral Cat group.  Most TNR is done by 
individuals or small groups.  

TNR = Trap, Neuter, Release

Since the plan is to release the cat back to its original colony/location, very 
few folks test for FIV or FeLV.  To be frank they can't afford the test and the 
results would not change the outcome.  

Usually only kittens being placed for adoption are tested.  Unfortunately, if 
they test positive, adoption is out and many of these kittens are PTS if a 
forever home can not be found.  They have become too socialized to release 
outside again.

Again this info is based on what I read on the Feral Cat board.  My personal 
experience has been to keep 6 of the FeLV+ I rescued and release 2.  The 6 were 
small kittens.  The 2 were year old cats.  To be honest I stopped testing.  I 
couldn't afford to test every cat I was TNRing.  And I had reached my limit on 
the no. of cats I could bring inside.  No way could I ever PTS a cat simply 
because they tested positive. 

The score so far is I still have 2 of the 6.  They are just over 2 yrs old.  1 
of the 2 I released is still going strong.  Mae passed away this summer. 
Sharyl

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 Cc: rchestert...@verizon.net
 Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 2:04 PM

 
 i'm also unclear about how his statements work for TNR: the
 article mentions
 how many groups no longer test; but it sounds as if a
 colony shows up with a
 FeLV member, and FIV members, that the FIVs won't be
 returned to the colony?
 or will the FeLVs--the low percentage in well-managed
 colonies, as noted--be
 taken out and killed?
 
 MC
 



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies

2009-09-30 Thread Debbie Harrison

I do TNR also...and I have to agree with Sharyl...this money is coming out of 
my own pockets...I cannot afford to spay/neuter/vaccinate...but I do.  These 
cats will be returned to their colony as long as their health is good...I wish 
I could afford every test and every preventative vaccine, but I am doing the 
best I can with what I earn.  I haven't had any kittens to worry about in the 
past two years, so I feel fortunate.

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:57:28 -0700
 From: cline...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies
 
 Not sure how all TNR individuals or groups handle the situation of FIV and/or 
 FeLV+ colony members. I'm on the Feral Cat group. Most TNR is done by 
 individuals or small groups. 
 
 TNR = Trap, Neuter, Release
 
 Since the plan is to release the cat back to its original colony/location, 
 very few folks test for FIV or FeLV. To be frank they can't afford the test 
 and the results would not change the outcome. 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies

2009-09-30 Thread Susan Hoffman
We also do not test feral cats being returned to colonies.  We only test cats 
who are being fostered for adoption. Just can't afford to test everyone and, if 
a feral cat comes back positive, it can raise some unnecessary issues.

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:30 PM
 
 I do TNR also...and I have to agree with Sharyl...this
 money is coming out of my own pockets...I cannot afford to
 spay/neuter/vaccinate...but I do.  These cats will be
 returned to their colony as long as their health is good...I
 wish I could afford every test and every preventative
 vaccine, but I am doing the best I can with what I
 earn.  I haven't had any kittens to worry about in the
 past two years, so I feel fortunate.
 
 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard
 battle  Philo
 
 
  
  Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:57:28 -0700
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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies
  
  Not sure how all TNR individuals or groups handle the
 situation of FIV and/or FeLV+ colony members. I'm on the
 Feral Cat group. Most TNR is done by individuals or small
 groups. 
  
  TNR = Trap, Neuter, Release
  
  Since the plan is to release the cat back to its
 original colony/location, very few folks test for FIV or
 FeLV. To be frank they can't afford the test and the results
 would not change the outcome. 
  
      
 
       
   
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