Re: New FIV/FeLV Treatment
Cool, Terrie - very interesting! Gloria On Mar 29, 2008, at 11:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.imulan.com/ Anyone familiar or know about this? TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.
Re: New FIV/FeLV Treatment
no; will look later but from the url, seems to be an announcement from the company involved, which always make me question. darn, i am SO jaded. MC On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.imulan.com/ *Anyone familiar or know about this?* *TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker *http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/* * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html* * http://www.felineleukemia.org/* * http://www.petloss.com/*** TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS *https://www.paypal.com/ -- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Homehttp://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301 . -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: New FIV/FeLV Treatment
As I recall someone in this group or the FIV group was in a study using this drug called T Cyte at that time. This company bought them out and immediately the drug cost was prohibited to where the person was not able to continue or start use of it. I understand it holds promise and there are studies to support this. However a pretty broad claim being made by imulan. On the other hand if it helps and you can afford it then I say it's worth a try. Sally On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.imulan.com/ *Anyone familiar or know about this?* *TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker *http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/* * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html* * http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html* * http://www.felineleukemia.org/* * http://www.petloss.com/*** TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS *https://www.paypal.com/ -- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Homehttp://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301 . -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: new to FeLV
Hi Peggy, I'm sorry to hear that Scooter has tested positive, but happy you found us. I'm even happier that you have decided to keep Scooter. I don't believe in accidents when it comes to cats; Scooter came to you guys for a reason. Bless you guys for taking him in. About FeLV and transmission. I had a stray give birth on my porch about five years ago. I found her a home and two of the three kittens a home. The third kitten I named Cricket and ended up keeping. He was my baby. I had two others in the house as well. Two years after Cricket was born, he got very sick and ended up testing positive for FeLV. He probably was born with it. We got him over that illness and he was fine for two more years, until he succumbed to FeLV related anemia that I believe was brought on by the stress of having a lot of family living with us for a week during Hurricane Rita last year. I lost him in November. None of my other cats are positive. Two of them lived with him more than four years (they are 10 now) and another lived with him for two years (she's 17). They all shared the same water and food bowls and litter boxes, but no grooming. There are a lot of people here who mix. The big thing you will need to worry about is fighting. If blood or bites are exchanged, then the FeLV is more easily transmitted. Scooter may still throw off the FeLV virus, so you'll need to retest in several months. I think the statistics say this happens 40% of the time. The two big things in keeping him healthy and helping him to throw the virus are his diet and keeping him stress free. Make sure he is getting a good, quality food (anything you can buy at Walmart does not count nor does Science Diet, which is what I fed mine before I joined this group; I feed mine Innova Evo now). Also, supplement his immune system by giving him L-Lysine (without propylene glycol) and Vitamin C. Others here use a few other supplements. He will have the upper hand by getting all the love that you and your husband will be giving him. I think that goes a long way in keeping any cat healthy. Please post if you have any more questions or just need an ear and good luck! :) Wendy Dallas, TX P.S. My grandma's name is Peggy, so I love that name! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: new to FeLV
You've come to the right place, Peggy. This list is a fount of great advice. You will very shortly be told by several people on this list that they have safely mixed their positive and negative cats, and that the key to doing this safely is to make sure the other cats are up to date on their vaccines and boosters. They will tell you what drugs to use to keep Scooter's immune system going strong, and how to keep him stress-free. I would worry a little about your vet's attitude, many vets are more enlightened. Also, you should have Scooter tested again in a couple MONTHS, since in some instances a cat can throw off the virus, though this is more common in kittens than in adult positives. Good luck with Scooter! Diane R. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Peggy AnkneySent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:45 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: new to FeLV Hi All, I too am a new subscriber looking for advice. Ive learned much about this virus in the past 12 hours because the stray cat (Scooter) that my husband and I are in the process of adopting (well, hes adopted us really) is FeLV+. The vet called me today after I dropped him off for neutering and shots to tell me the test was positive (she repeated the test to confirm) and recommended Scooter be PTS. We cant do that but we have two negative (but vaccinated) cats already. We are very torn between putting our cats at risk and saving Scooter. So after a very difficult day of unsuccessfully trying to find a home for Scooter, weve decided to keep him. All the web sites say you have to keep the pos cats isolated from the neg, but I dont see how I can do that without locking Scooter in a room for the rest of his life. Montana and Karma are indoor/outdoor cats (we have a door with magnetic-activated lock). We can turn the door around so Scooter cant get out but ours can still come and go as they please but were going to give Scooter the run of the house, which isnt a big house by todays standards. I dont know if we can keep their food separate Montana is older and underweight so I dont want to take away the gravity feed bowl and limit his eating. Also, Montana and Karma rarely use the litter pan, as they prefer the great outdoors, but in rainy or cold weather they use it. Scooter will have to use it, as hes got to stay indoors for the rest of his life. From what Ive read online, these arent the main ways that the virus is transmitted. I know grooming is a big one, but we dont have a clear picture of whether they will eventually become friendly enough for that (no chance of it just yet). So my question is what has been the experience of others in similar situations, and do you have any good advice for a couple of scared cat lovers? Something I might have missed on the other web sites that will help me keep all three cats happy and healthy as possible? Montana is about 12 years, Karma maybe 8, and Scooter probably 6 months. (Thanks everyone! Ive enjoyed reading your posts.) -peggy
Re: new to FeLV
Hello!I was in your position not too long ago. I adopted a beautiful siamese kitten who ended up testing postive for FeLV. The vet wanted me to euthanize her, but I couldn't. I have two other cats at home who are negative. As soon as I found out Angel was pos. I had them all eat and drink from seperate bowls. Angel ended up getting a cancerous tumor at only 5 mos. of age and she died last month. Although she was only with us for a short time, I don't regret anything about letting her have the run of the house. She was happy because she was able to be outwith us. My other two cats are still fine and have not become positive. I'm sorry I can't be of much help, but I wanted to share with you a situation where mixing a positive with negatives turned out fine. Good luck to youyou have made the right choice by not letting the vet PTS. KarenPeggy Ankney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi All,I too am a new subscriber looking for advice. Ive learned much about this virus in the past 12 hours because the stray cat (Scooter) that my husband and I are in the process of adopting (well, hes adopted us really) is FeLV+. The vet called me today after I dropped him off for neutering and shots to tell me the test was positive (she repeated the test to confirm) and recommended Scooter be PTS. We cant do that but we have two negative (but vaccinated) cats already. We are very torn between putting our cats at risk and saving Scooter. So after a very difficult day of unsuccessfully trying to find a home for Scooter, weve decided to keep him. All the web sites say you have to keep the pos cats isolated from the neg, but I dont see how I can do that without locking Scooter in a room for the rest of his life. Montana and Karma are indoor/outdoor cats (we have a door with magnetic-activated lock). We can turn the door around so Scooter cant get out but ours can still come and go as they please but were going to give Scooter the run of the house, which isnt a big house by todays standards. I dont know if we can keep their food separate Montana is older and underweight so I dont want to take away the gravity feed bowl and limit his eating. Also, Montana and Karma rarely use the litter pan, as they prefer the great outdoors, but in rainy or cold weather they use it. Scooter will have to use it, as hes got to stay indoors for the rest of his life. From what Ive read online, these arent the main ways that the virus is transmitted. I know grooming is a big one, but we dont have a clear picture of whether they will eventually become friendly enough for that (no chance of it just yet). So my question is what has been the experience of others in similar situations, and do you have any good advice for a couple of scared cat lovers? Something I might have missed on the other web sites that will help me keep all three cats happy and healthy as possible? Montana is about 12 years, Karma maybe 8, and Scooter probably 6 months. (Thanks everyone! Ive enjoyed reading your posts.) -peggy Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
Re: new to FeLV
My vet has Dixie Louise on Interferon (1 cc every other day) and I try to brush her teeth (or use tooth wipes)--notice the word try. My holistic vet has Dixie on some drops that we hope will keep Dixie healthy and happy. I don't know where you are located or if you have your own holistic vet or not. If you want contact information for mine I will send it. I don't know if she consults by phone or not. It never hurts to ask. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: Re: new to FeLV My 1st FeLV+ cat, I have had him 3 years, is healthy and activeexcept that he has a chronic gum problem.. Antibiotics help some buthe hates them and hides from us when he thinks that is what he isgoing to get... Would Immuno Regulin be good for this ??Its easier to take him to the vet than it is to get antibiotics in him...Tadcatatonya wrote: Hey, Again, I would try immunoregulin and a holistic vet. I would also look for another vet who's more receptive to trying new things. My vet actually did research and came up with things to try for my positive when she was sick. tonyaRoxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Carmen! little Ty has started with a respiratory problem now, very stuffed up. I called the vet and they are going to set me up with some antibiotics. What kind of treatments do you do for your FeLV kitties? Any guidance would be great. My vet isn't working with me as much as they first said they would, I'm now looking for a different vet for him. This little guy is a sweetie, it would be great if I could find someone that would take on his challenge. Carmen Conklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly could for him. Carmen (C W)From: Roxane Baldwin Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: new to FeLVDate: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT)Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.comRoxane,Horton, Iowa __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: new to FeLV
CoQ10 is supposed to help. Maybe I-R would, I am not sure. Michelle In a message dated 6/19/2006 10:40:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My 1st FeLV+ cat, I have had him 3 years, is healthy and activeexcept that he has a chronic gum problem.. Antibiotics help some buthe hates them and hides from us when he thinks that is what he isgoing to get... Would Immuno Regulin be good for this ??Its easier to take him to the vet than it is to get antibiotics in him...Tad
RE: new to FeLV
Thanks Tonya, can I ask what is immunoregulin? Roxanecatatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey,Again, I would try immunoregulin and a holistic vet. I would also look for another vet who's more receptive to trying new things. My vet actually did research and came up with things to try for my positive when she was sick. tonyaRoxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:HI Carmen! little Ty has started with a respiratory problem now, very stuffed up. I called the vet and they are going to set me up with some antibiotics. What kind of treatments do you do for your FeLV kitties? Any guidance would be great. My vet isn't working with me as much as they first said they would, I'm now looking for a different vet for him. This little guy is a sweetie, it would be great if I could find someone that would take on his challenge. Carmen Conklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly could for him. Carmen (C W)From: Roxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: new to FeLVDate: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT)Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.comRoxane,Horton, Iowa __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: new to FeLV
My 1st FeLV+ cat, I have had him 3 years, is healthy and active except that he has a chronic gum problem.. Antibiotics help some but he hates them and hides from us when he thinks that is what he is going to get... Would Immuno Regulin be good for this ?? Its easier to take him to the vet than it is to get antibiotics in him... Tad catatonya wrote: Hey, Again, I would try immunoregulin and a holistic vet. I would also look for another vet who's more receptive to trying new things. My vet actually did research and came up with things to try for my positive when she was sick. tonya Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Carmen! little Ty has started with a respiratory problem now, very stuffed up. I called the vet and they are going to set me up with some antibiotics. What kind of treatments do you do for your FeLV kitties? Any guidance would be great. My vet isn't working with me as much as they first said they would, I'm now looking for a different vet for him. This little guy is a sweetie, it would be great if I could find someone that would take on his challenge. Carmen Conklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly could for him. Carmen (C W) From: Roxane Baldwin Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: new to FeLV Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Roxane, Horton, Iowa __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: new to FeLV - Roxane and Ty
Hi Roxane, How's Ty doing today? Roxane Baldwin wrote: When you first took him in, he had a slight URI which you treated with amoxi. His URI came while at the vets office, he spent the night because I had him neutered, was that a mistake? They sent amoxi home with him. No, I wouldn't say that having him neutered was a mistake. I always arrange to pick up my kids the day of the operation to save them any added stress. The stress of anesthesia is always a concern, even animals that seem perfectly healthy have died during or after simple s/n surgeries. My fingertips are always bloody from biting my nails to the quick on the days I have to take someone in, but what are you going to do? No one leaves my protection intact. It's our only true defense against overpopulation and the terrible plight that comes from too many animals and not enough responsible humans. There are things you can do to help insure their safety during operations. Making sure they are given fluids during, that they use gas instead of injectable anesthesia, that they are in the best health possible before hand, to name a few. He also had worms, so you treated him for that, what did you use for the worms? Yes, but I dont know what they treated him with, sorry. Some wormers are harder on their systems than others. I was just wondering. I'm not thrilled with your vet at the moment. Did he then develop diarrhea, or had he had it all along? Developed it after the worm which I thought was normal but it was water. Poor baby. How is that now? Much better but I removed his kibble and started him on raw. My canines are all raw feed, just 2 felines on raw, now Ty, and my FIV Taking them off dry is the first thing recommended for kitties with GI problems. Putting my IBD girl, Gypsy, on raw, no exaggeration, saved her life. I've heard some say they have a concern about felv kitties on raw diets, but I think as long as you are using the freshest, best grade meats you can find, and are sanitary in preparation and storage, then the benefits far outweigh the any potential hazards. Have his stools firmed up? Yes Good to hear. If I understand you, Ty got over his "slight" URI after the amoxi, (how many days was he on the abx?), eight days and now he's stuffed up even worse. Is that right? Yes Eight days seems like a reasonable amount of time to have helped him kick his URI. You might want to try longer if you put him on an antibiotic again. Talk to your vet about it. Along with the Lysine, you might want to try something recommended by one of our list members once. Children's nose drops called "Little noses". I've gotten some to keep in the house, (mostly because of the concern about them getting too stuffed up to not be able to smell their food), but I haven't had to use them on anyone yet. I can't remember how the person that wrote about them administered them. I think they used a soaked q-tip, does anyone else remember? I would start mixing in some Lysine with his food. The recommended dose is 500mg per day, (make sure it's pure L-Lysine). Where do I find L-Lysine? You can get Lysine at the health food store. Wendy cautioned about one of the ingredients, I hadn't heard that before. Wendy, if you're reading, can you elaborate on that? He is eating okay, isn't he? Yes, he loves his food. Always a good sign :) . I don't know how cat-savvy you are, I'm guessing you have some experience under your belt since you have an FIV boy, but cats will usually stop eating when they can't smell their food. Including Ty, I have 13 cats. My FIV boyhas never really been sick so this is really new to me. 13 cats, huh? Yep, you're one of us. Prayers for continued good health for your FIV boy, what's his name? When you search for a different vet, see if you can find an Internist. You could ask your current vet to refer you to one. I'm not saying Ty would need a specialist to get over his URI, or diarrhea, but it's good to have an experienced vet when/if the need arises to battle serious illness. I have a number for a cat specialist in my parents neighborhood, Ty would just have to travel some to get to her. Diet, keeping their stress level down and taking an aggressive approach to even the most common illnesses to prevent them from escalating are very important in keeping our babies asymptomatic. Prayers for you and Ty, Thank you Nina! Cat only clinics are probably a good idea, but that's not exactly what I was talking about. They are still "GP" type vets, and while they would logically be more experienced dealing with cat problems, they don't have the expertise of a board certified Internist. The specialty clinics I'm talking about have vets that are more versed in the type of life threatening diseases that our sweet felv kids are prone to. Not only that, but they will usually have more than one kind of specialist in their practice,
Re: new to FeLV
Dixie Louise tested FeLV + over a year ago. She is perfectly healthy and loves life. FeLV + is NOT a death sentence. You are not watching him die...you are watching him live in a loving place. You might try Apple Pectin and FastTrack for Felines to help with the problems. Please look in your heart. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Carmen Conklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:28 AM Subject: RE: new to FeLV Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly could for him. Carmen (C W) From: Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: new to FeLV Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
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Don't worry, I have no plans of giving up on this baby, I believe he is a true diamond. RoxaneMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dixie Louise tested FeLV + over a year ago. She is perfectly healthy and loves life. FeLV + is NOT a death sentence. You are not watching him die...you are watching him live in a loving place.You might try Apple Pectin and FastTrack for Felines to help with the problems.Please look in your heart.If you have men who will exclude any of God's creaturesfrom the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men whowill deal likewise with their fellow man.St. Francis- Original Message - From: "Carmen Conklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:28 AMSubject: RE: new to FeLV Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly could for him. Carmen (C W)From: Roxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: new to FeLVDate: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT)Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.
Re: new to FeLV
Another thing you might try for the diarrhea is an active culture yogurt (some cats will eat it, some won't). My bet is the antibiotics have his gut bacteria messed up. There are a number of probiotics onthe market that can help with this. You might talk to health food store people or a pharmacist. Dixie Louise sees her regular vet and an alternative vet as needed. E. A. Boswell DMV (Louisville, KY) has her on homeopathic "meds." As soon as I figured out that Dixie Louise was a keeper (she was a throw away that spend several months behind my Mom's house) despite the FeLV+ I took her to see Dr. Boswell. Something like this may work for you and your little friend. Take care. Enjoy every day with your little diamond. It is trite but no one knows when her/his days will end. I am (slowly) learning this lesson. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Roxane Baldwin To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: new to FeLV Don't worry, I have no plans of giving up on this baby, I believe he is a true diamond. RoxaneMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dixie Louise tested FeLV + over a year ago. She is perfectly healthy and loves life. FeLV + is NOT a death sentence. You are not watching him die...you are watching him live in a loving place.You might try Apple Pectin and FastTrack for Felines to help with the problems.Please look in your heart.If you have men who will exclude any of God's creaturesfrom the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men whowill deal likewise with their fellow man.St. Francis- Original Message - From: "Carmen Conklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:28 AMSubject: RE: new to FeLV Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly could for him. Carmen (C W)From: Roxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: new to FeLVDate: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT)Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: new to FeLV
Good point...
From:
Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:38
PM
Subject: Re: new to FeLV
Another thing you might try for the diarrhea is
an active culture yogurt (some cats will eat it, some won't). My bet is
the antibiotics have his gut bacteria messed up. There are a number of
probiotics onthe market that can help with this. You might talk to
health food store people or a pharmacist. Dixie Louise sees her regular
vet and an alternative vet as needed. E. A. Boswell DMV (Louisville, KY)
has her on homeopathic "meds." As soon as I figured out that Dixie
Louise was a keeper (she was a throw away that spend several months behind my
Mom's house) despite the FeLV+ I took her to see Dr. Boswell. Something
like this may work for you and your little friend.
Take care. Enjoy every day with your little
diamond. It is trite but no one knows when her/his days will end.
I am (slowly) learning this lesson.
If you have men who will exclude any of God's
creatures
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their fellow
man.
St. Francis
- Original Message -
From:
Roxane Baldwin
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:12
PM
Subject: Re: new to FeLV
Don't worry, I have no plans of giving up on this baby, I believe he is
a true diamond.
RoxaneMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Dixie
Louise tested FeLV + over a year ago. She is perfectly healthy and
loves life. FeLV + is NOT a death sentence. You are not watching him
die...you are watching him live in a loving place.You might
try Apple Pectin and FastTrack for Felines to help with the
problems.Please look in your
heart.If you have men who will exclude any
of God's creaturesfrom the shelter of compassion and pity, you
will have men whowill deal likewise with their fellow man.St.
Francis- Original Message - From: "Carmen Conklin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent:
Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:28 AMSubject: RE: new to
FeLV Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the
symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a
chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see
if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not,
then you know you did everything you possibly could for him.
Carmen (C W)From: Roxane Baldwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:
Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: new to
FeLVDate: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700
(PDT)Hi, About a week and
a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a
FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested.
He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would
not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is
a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from
the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that
right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat
can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad
and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural
Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This
boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've
mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not
really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet
just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more
options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch
die. Help! Roxane
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RE: new to FeLV
Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly could for him. Carmen (C W) From: Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: new to FeLV Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: new to FeLV
Good for you! Nice that you have a vet who was willing to help you. Gloria At 06:09 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote: Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: new to FeLV
HI Carmen! little Ty has started with a respiratory problem now, very stuffed up. I called the vet and they are going to set me up with some antibiotics. What kind of treatments do you do for your FeLV kitties? Any guidance would be great. My vet isn't working with me as much as they first said they would, I'm now looking for a different vet for him. This little guy is a sweetie, it would be great if I could find someone that would take on his challenge. Carmen Conklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly could for him. Carmen (C W)From: Roxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: new to FeLVDate: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT)Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.comRoxane,Horton, Iowa __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: new to FeLV
Hi Roxane and welcome, First of all, thank you for being the kind of person that would take little Ty in and not be persuaded to do anything drastic, (like pts), until you had more information. I'm so glad you found us, you'll get lots of info and support from this group. I want to make sure I understand what's going on with Ty... When you first took him in, he had a slight URI which you treated with amoxi. He also had worms, so you treated him for that, what did you use for the worms? Did he then develop diarrhea, or had he had it all along? How is that now? Have his stools firmed up? If I understand you, Ty got over his slight URI after the amoxi, (how many days was he on the abx?), and now he's stuffed up even worse. Is that right? I would start mixing in some Lysine with his food. The recommended dose is 500mg per day, (make sure it's pure L-Lysine). He is eating okay, isn't he? I don't know how cat-savvy you are, I'm guessing you have some experience under your belt since you have an FIV boy, but cats will usually stop eating when they can't smell their food. When you search for a different vet, see if you can find an Internist. You could ask your current vet to refer you to one. I'm not saying Ty would need a specialist to get over his URI, or diarrhea, but it's good to have an experienced vet when/if the need arises to battle serious illness. Diet, keeping their stress level down and taking an aggressive approach to even the most common illnesses to prevent them from escalating are very important in keeping our babies asymptomatic. Prayers for you and Ty, Nina Roxane Baldwin wrote: HI Carmen! little Ty has started with a respiratory problem now, very stuffed up. I called the vet and they are going to set me up with some antibiotics. What kind of treatments do you do for your FeLV kitties? Any guidance would be great. My vet isn't working with me as much as they first said they would, I'm now looking for a different vet for him. This little guy is a sweetie, it would be great if I could find someone that would take on his challenge.
Re: new to FeLV
When you first took him in, he had a slight URI which you treated with amoxi. His URI came while at the vets office, he spent the night because I had him neutered, was that a mistake? They sent amoxi home with him. He also had worms, so you treated him for that, what did you use for the worms? Yes, but I dont know what they treated him with, sorry.Did he then develop diarrhea, or had he had it all along? Developed it after the worm which I thought was normal but it was water.How is that now? Much better but I removed his kibble and started him on raw. My canines are all raw feed, just 2 felines on raw, now Ty, and my FIVHave his stools firmed up? YesIf I understand you, Ty got over his "slight" URI after the amoxi, (how many days was he on the abx?), eight days and now he's stuffed up even worse. Is that right? Yes I would start mixing in some Lysine with his food. The recommended dose is 500mg per day, (make sure it's pure L-Lysine). Where do I find L-Lysine? He is eating okay, isn't he? Yes, he loves his food. I don't know how cat-savvy you are, I'm guessing you have some experience under your belt since you have an FIV boy, but cats will usually stop eating when they can't smell their food. Including Ty, I have 13 cats. My FIV boyhas never really been sick so this is really new to me.When you search for a different vet, see if you can find an Internist. You could ask your current vet to refer you to one. I'm not saying Ty would need a specialist to get over his URI, or diarrhea, but it's good to have an experienced vet when/if the need arises to battle serious illness. I have a number for a cat specialist in my parents neighborhood, Ty would just have to travel some to get to her. Diet, keeping their stress level down and taking an aggressive approach to even the most common illnesses to prevent them from escalating are very important in keeping our babies asymptomatic. Prayers for you and Ty, Thank you Nina!RoxaneRoxane,Horton, Iowa __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Roxanne, I buy L-lysine in 500 mg caplets at the local health food store and empty either half/whole of the capsule into kitty's wet food, depending on whether they are sick are not. My Smookie has feline herpes and a corneal ulcer, and so I started adding 500 mg. 2x per day into her food, and the corneal ulcer has disappeared. Nothing else helped it. Not the antiviral drops or the antibiotics. But the Lysine did. Make sure it is pure lysine, and does not have propylene glycol in it, which can affect the blood. A lot of people here do 250 mg. a day for immunity maintenance. :) Wendy --- Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you first took him in, he had a slight URI which you treated with amoxi. His URI came while at the vets office, he spent the night because I had him neutered, was that a mistake? They sent amoxi home with him. He also had worms, so you treated him for that, what did you use for the worms? Yes, but I dont know what they treated him with, sorry. Did he then develop diarrhea, or had he had it all along? Developed it after the worm which I thought was normal but it was water. How is that now? Much better but I removed his kibble and started him on raw. My canines are all raw feed, just 2 felines on raw, now Ty, and my FIV Have his stools firmed up? Yes If I understand you, Ty got over his slight URI after the amoxi, (how many days was he on the abx?), eight days and now he's stuffed up even worse. Is that right? Yes I would start mixing in some Lysine with his food. The recommended dose is 500mg per day, (make sure it's pure L-Lysine). Where do I find L-Lysine? He is eating okay, isn't he? Yes, he loves his food. I don't know how cat-savvy you are, I'm guessing you have some experience under your belt since you have an FIV boy, but cats will usually stop eating when they can't smell their food. Including Ty, I have 13 cats. My FIV boy has never really been sick so this is really new to me. When you search for a different vet, see if you can find an Internist. You could ask your current vet to refer you to one. I'm not saying Ty would need a specialist to get over his URI, or diarrhea, but it's good to have an experienced vet when/if the need arises to battle serious illness. I have a number for a cat specialist in my parents neighborhood, Ty would just have to travel some to get to her. Diet, keeping their stress level down and taking an aggressive approach to even the most common illnesses to prevent them from escalating are very important in keeping our babies asymptomatic. Prayers for you and Ty, Thank you Nina! Roxane Roxane, Horton, Iowa __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: new to FeLV
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Thanks for your responses and I will try them. We have wormed Ty twice so far and in 8 days I'll do it again.RoxaneSusan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bran flakes or white rice. But make sujre you deworm.Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gastriplex is something that can be used or rice bran are a couple of things people on my other lists use for diarrhea. -- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design]http://HostDesign4U.comBMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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If you're into conventional medicine, talk to the vet about trying Flagyl for 5-7 days. It's been working nicely for me, with some cats I have. I've also ordered an herbal liquid with the thought that it might help intestinal parasites. I've also used food formulas that included brown rice (fiber) and that helped. To really get into the food making for diarrhea, Dr. Pitcairn's book has a great recipe. Good luck, Gloria At 06:09 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote: Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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a week and a half is way too soon to expect good stools from a cat that infested with worms. keep in mind, worms physically damage the lining of the intestine, and he could be pretty badly messed up inside. give him at least a month or two before you even expect to see normal stools. also, if he's only been with you that long, he's probably still adapting from the food switch (i'm sure he wasn't eating what you have him on now when he was a stray). it takes time for a cat's digestive system to stabilize after diet changes... even cats without worms, but in his case, even more so. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - Release Date: 6/13/2006
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Thank you! It is wonderful that there are people like you out there who are willing to help a cat who may not be 'perfect'. It upsets me how many vets would rather put these guys to sleep when they can live a healthy life. I think all cats deserve a chance at life and love. Thanks for caring, Chris - Original Message - From: Roxane Baldwin To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: new to FeLV Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: new to FeLV
Bran flakes or white rice. But make sujre you deworm.Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gastriplex is something that can be used or rice bran are a couple of things people on my other lists use for diarrhea. -- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design]http://HostDesign4U.comBMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: New to FeLV
That my vet(s) don't appear to know much about FeLV doesn't really surprise me. They didn't know anything about iguanas, and I've had the same experience with ferrets. Still, CATS?? Gia, I understand your feelings here! I am also a nurse, but this is all new to me,as I work for a urology doctor. I had to go back and researchthe workings of the immune system and refresh myself.Having done wildlife (orphaned squirrel)rehabilitation in the past, I do know thatit's much easier to find a complacent vet practice that stays afloat on wellness care. Nothing wrong with that, but it's just not enough for our cats, who are the loves of our life,the furry little pieces of our hearts.I have the utmost respectfor this list because I have found their advice to be much more aggressive, positive and accurate thananything I've heard from a vet. Foras much you are having to pay, and for as much travel as you have to do, since you live in the country,I hope you are able to find the verybest.A vet is providing you a service of not only their expert advice, butof personalized concern and care. I'm not sure where you live, but I do know that since I live pretty near Texas AM, my community probably has more than our share of vets. But more importantly,Aggies keep a close network of alumni. If there is any way I can help, please let me know. Sandy C.
Re: New to FeLV (Kerry - warning Long)
Got it--thanks Belinda. - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: Re: New to FeLV (Kerry - warning Long) Hi Kerry, Yes we went to Missouri in May of 95 and moved back here (Washington state), and yes it is my little Bailey I am talking about. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: New to FeLV (Kat)
Hello, Kat: Manythanks for your warm welcome! I appreciate your heartening info re: exposure. It makes me feel a lot better. What Elvis' vet told my husband was, "He has a 50/50 chance." Which doesn't make any sense to me. A 50% chance of...what? Naturally, I intend to straighten this out tomorrow. I was happy to hear there are others who mix positives and negatives. If there were any possible way, I would separate. However, Elvis, being the Elvis that he is, is one of the most social cats there ever were. He could NEVER tolerate being away from the "action." And by "action", I mean "people." He accompanies us to the telephone, commenting while we're trying to converse. (He's a talker.) The doorbell sends him into transports of joy; old friends are always dear, but STRANGERSI've always been grateful that he can't reach our top latch, because he welcomes all comers. He's the only cat I've ever known that positively LOVES being in the car, despite its being only the ride to the doctor. Not that he has a fear of vets...quite the contrary! At the vet, he always sits primly; long legs perfectly straight in front, tail curled tightly around toes. In the seat next to mine. Where I try to pretend that I can't readthe signs forbidding such. Once, hearing his name called clearly, without 'our' last name attached, he calmly jumped down from his chair, and avidly followed the caller into the exam room.(!) Sorry to go on for so long! Frankly, I feel guilty about NOT separating, and so feel I must defend my position. Only to myself, evidently; you and others have been nothing but supportive of either choice. Elvis is not all that interested in the others, and the feeling is mutual, and so it is for HIS benefit that I hesitate to quarantine.Such a choice does not consider the others. Yet at the same time, I KNOW that such isolation would, from his point of view, be a fate worse than death. But is it fair to continue to expose the others? After all,don't 9 other lives outweigh...not that it is only numbers that count: "the good of the many, etc."...but he really COULDN'T stand it, so the only alternative would be...but, not THAT...still loves life, still as interested as ever, not even sick...but what if the others are negative?...would I not be responsible if other(s) turned positive later? how is THAT fair? but what can I do? not THAT.. GAWD I'm sure you all probably know THAT drill. Happy to hear that you're free of this blight! And so sorry for your losses. I'm glad you've stayed in the "community";please know that this first response, yours, lightened my load and encouraged me to keep reading. Thank you. Gia (O-klaw-homa)
Re: New to FeLV (wendy)
Hey, wendy: Your very kind words are muchly appreciated! It was news to me (I mean, MORE news) that saliva was not absolutely implicated in the spread of the virus. Likening it to HIV also made it more clear to me (I'm an LPN). What I find scary...but I've been remiss! I didn't realize that I didn't name the black kitty in my submission. Her name was Flavia, in honor of her devotion to my husband (a semi-long story) and because of her exotic beauty. And we loved her, though that isn't readily apparent in my letter. Mea culpa! Anyhow...what I find scary is that Flavia "got along" with the other cats by ignoring them, and they her. It's always possible that blows, or even bites were traded when I wasn't around. But mutual grooming and communal sleeping are absolutely out of the question. Which, excepting an unknown bite, means that he MUST have gotten it from food/water bowls or litter boxes. Because Elvis is 12. To answer your questionHe turned 12 on July 8. I know this, because I took in a straywho proceeded to give birth in my bedroomcloset about 3 weeks later, then went outside one day 5 weeks after thatand disappeared. (Not coincidentally, that was the last time any cat of mine went outside.) Anyhow, she had 5 kittens. I gave two to my best friend of 44 years (we're 46) and kept the other three, Elvis, Tiddy (beautiful blue-gray tabby with huge eyes) and Juliet, AKA Girl Cat (large,sweet, shytortoiseshell with a passion for grooming all others). That's why I know he wasn't born with it, (I know it's a virus that hides, but for 12 years?) and why I'm afraid of the communal bowl and commode possibility. I appreciate your info on all the cats who've lived with positives and not contracted it. Your letter, also, was a great comfort in my despair. I truly appreciate your sharing your Cricket with me. Many thanks! Gia
RE: New to FeLV (MacKenzie, Kerry N)
Hello, Kerry:: I really appreciate your response to my letter. I can already agree with you: Most supportive/generous/kind-hearted/informed... To the Nth degree! And thank you for your 'blessing'. I took it to heart. You know, I don't think I'm 'special' for taking in strays. Rather, I'm always astonished (but not surprised, anymore) that EVERYone DOESN'T. And to fully acquaint you with how convoluted MY thinking is, I always find OTHER 'animal people' to be unique, and am always grateful that they're out there. How'sTHAT for confusion? smile You are obviously one of 'us'; and, true to form, I am amazed and gratified to find another! (at least I'm CONSISTENTLY confused!) I appreciate your thoughtfulness in urging me to try to stop the 'blame game.' You're right, of course, but logic just ain't quite cuttin' it about now. Nevertheless, your advice encouraged me. Yes, I switched vets, but I'm not that enamored of the new one. The sad facts are that I live in the boonies, and the vets around here are geared toward large-animal medicine. And geography can also be blamed for the dearth of choices. I am looking into vets in 'the big city' (about 11/2-2 hrs away) and also at the OSU vets (about 3 hrs away). It would be hard NOT to find a better-informed vet, and I'd like to think I could find one that would also be more caring/concerned/sympathetic... I hear you, re: "...took...a while...to realize...naive belief...etc." Being a nurse, Iof ALL people should know how UNinfallible medical personnel are, just like the rest of the human race. But I just...didn't. What reasoning!! RE: "...there may be no point in vaccinating." I understood your point about sufficiently strong immune systems, but wouldn't an inoculation boost such a system? Or, failing that, would it do any harm? And isn't there a possibility that even in my younger cats, some immune systems aren't all that they could/should be? I was amazed about your '6th'. And definitely took your meaning about the poinlessness,a/w/a/ the heartlessness in separation. And I can also completely understand your paranoia re: negative cats. Your excerpt from the book (which I intend to find) was also most enlightening, and lightening. Again, I am most grateful! It really helped! Take care, Gia
Re: New to FeLV (Belinda Sauro)
Dear Belinda: You have my heartfelt thanks for your response to my letter. Everything I've read here has contributed to the lessening of my despair about this disaster. Your letter is certainly no exception! I was shocked at your info re: bad experiences vaccinating unknown positives. Before I went the round of vaccinations in 2003, knowing that they would do no good for the already infected, I specifically asked if it would do them any harm. I was assured that it would have no effect, either way. That is why I didn't bother to test first. The vet actually was somewhat reluctant to NOT test first, but was adamant that it would do no harm, and, at $40 a (literal) shot,and the same for the test...well, you can do the math. I'm sure you can understand why I didn't test. In fact, your letter is what has made me reconsider my original decision NOT to test. My (2nd) vet seemed socertain that, if they didn't actually test positive now, they would surely do so eventually. The implication I got was that it was possible to get false-negative results, which also led me to choose vaccination without testing. Certainly, I would never vaccinate any positive-result cats; wouldn't be any point, would be a waste of money I could use for their care, and might actually do harm. So it looks like 'tests for all' is coming tomorrow. And I can't TELL you how I dread it I assume your negatives have always been vaccinated? And I was so relieved and gratified to hear that you have had a positive that 'old' and that communal living for so long has had no ill effect. That my vet(s) don't appear to know much about FeLV doesn't really surprise me. They didn't know anything about iguanas, and I've had the same experience with ferrets. Still, CATS?? As you'll have likely read in my letter to another member, you'll have notedthat they're mostly large-animals vets who almost seem...ashamed? embarrassed? to even treat small animals. (Anybody else ever have that feeling about a vet?) As to what my "vet say(s) is wrong with Elvis"...he only said, "Feline Leukemia." I took that as a definitive answer, because until I began reading last night, I thought that feline leukemia was, well...leukemia. Cancer. Which, as we all know, is quite enough to be wrong with anybody. Really, calling it the FeLV is SO misleading! In my first letter, I said that after my initial experience with our Flavia, it was only after I went back home and began thinking that I called him back and asked about the possibility of contagion. You know whatcaused the unease which prompted mycall? It was only a chance remark by the vet, something about "where she caught it." It wasn't a completed thought, and it wasn't even to me, but to his assistant. Had I not overheard, I would NEVER have even considered that it could be a contagious disease. After all, cancer isn't contagious! Anyhow, I have no idea wasELSE is wrong. My gawd!! As I said, I thought it was 'contagious cancer', quite enough to cause weight loss. I'll have to remember to ask when I call tomorrow. You may have saved his life!! For that, as well as your other helpful advice and encouragement, I am in your debt. Gratefully, Gia
Re: New to FeLV (wendy)
wendy! I can't believe I left out one of the brightest points of your letter! You said, "FYI, the FeLV vaccine is supposed to last 2-3 years..." (I laughed aloud, there) and "...so your others are most likely ok from the first vaccine." (At which point I resolved to give my neighbor's child a dollar to do a cartwheel for me!) You obviously detected my agony over not repeating the vaccinations in 2004. I have never begrudged the money (thousands, by now) I have spent on caring for critters, but I was in dire straits at the time and REALLY would have had hell trying to find a 'spare' $500. Even so, had IHAD a 'spare' $500 (really, that phrase tickles me, in an ironic way), I doubt I would have done it. Twoyears, nevermind the 6 months I was warned about, had passed since exposure with absolutely no chance of re-exposure. It's IMPOSSIBLE. Simply: thereARE nonew cats inside. So, it seems likely that Elvis was infected 2 years ago, before vaccination. Which (to me) means that while the others may have been infected at the same time, they at least have not likely caught it in the intervening years. You can see how your info about the length of immunity after vaccination came as an enormous relief! So, beau-coup thanks for removing THAT penance from me. You guys are great! Ciao, Gia
Re: New to FeLV (Gia - warning Long)
Hi Gia, While I lived in Missouri for a year I had a similar problem, most of the vets where Large (farm) animal vets and the three I did take him to said he is positive and will die within three months, infect all of your other cats so you should euthanize him. Thankfully I knew better. I did originally have him in a bedroom by himself but if your familar with trailers the doors are high off the florr and I found out that my little stinker Joey was sneaking under the door to play with him while I was at work, so it seemed pointless after that so I let him out with everyone. Him and Joey are the closest to this day. All of mine at that point were vaccinated and negative. My experience with FeLV started back in the early 90's. I had 5 cats, all indoor all vaccinated for everything but FeLV because in my thinking at the time they couldn't have it since they were all indoors. My brain forgot to factor in what they did or were exposed to BEFORE I got them. Frankie my siamese was sickly all his life and like clock work in December would get a URI (every year my vet would ask if she could test him for FeLV and every year I would say no, there is no way he could get it, he is indoor only), usually after a week or two with anitibiotics it would clear up and he always ate well even when sick, he was a hefty 18 pound baby. In 1992 he was sick as usual and she asked as usual but he was very sick and wasn't eating as well so I took him in and she asked as she always did if she could test and I said fine mostly to get her off my back. I almost passed out when she told me he was positive. He had been sick for almost 4 weeks and she said he probably wasn't going to recover this time and said I should euthanize him. Frankie was my baby, that one you have a special bond with and that was not an option, especially since in my mind he still just had a cold, you don't euthanize because of that. I told her to give me stronger anitibiotics and I would take him home. I also had to bring in the rest of my guys to get tested. 3 of his 4 housemates tested positive, Buddie whom I lost to cancer last July was the only one that tested negative and she was the youngest and had in fact been around all of them at 8 weeks of age before her vaccines. Frankie was very sick and it took 6 weeks but he recovered and lived alittle over 2 more years. I lost Skeeter, at age 7 years in October of 93 to lymphoma intestinal cancer. I lost Mike, at age 5 years in March of 94 to kidney cancer and I lost my precious Frankie, at age 9 years to anemia in January of 95. Teenye my 4th turned negative when we had her retested a year later and was negative the rest of her life. I lost her in 2000 at age 16 to a very rare cancer. Buddie never tested positive and was negative all her life. I lost her in 2004 at age 13 to liver cancer. I believe Frankie was born with it and is one of the rare ones that lived to be older. Most of my guys at the time we discovered it were big, hefty cats, Skeeter was 20 pounds, Mikie was 17 pounds, Buddie was 13 to 14 pounds, Teenye was a tiny manx and only weighed 7 pounds at her heaviest. FeLV weakens the immune system so other opportunistic diseases can get their foot in, and with their weakened immune system it is so much harder for a positive to fight anything off even a URI can be fatal and is many times because you have vets that say "Oh it's the FeLV kicking in, there is nothing we can do", and offer ZERO treatment when we all know a URI is quite treatable. Heck many vets once they test a cat and the cat comes up positive, they don't even bother to find out what is wrong with the cat, just recommend euthanasia and if you decline that offer just send you home with the the cat to die. Well any cat healthy or otherwise stands a chance of dying if they are sick and get no treatment. In fact many vets once a cat tests positive, EVEN if the cat is currently quite healthy will recommend euthanasia, even today when we do know more about it many vets are in the dark and don't know or care to learn of the advances for treatments that have been made (interferon, steriods, immunoregalan, vitimain-C, COQ-10, healthy food, stress free environment, ect ...). Try hard to find a vet who is more knowledgeable or at the very least one who is willing to learn and try things you suggest. You can only do the best you can with what you have to work with and as long as anyone does that they have nothing to feel guilty about. I've since learned alot about FeLV and my vet is wonderful, she will try anything I suggest unless she can convince me it is detrimental, Bailey was diagnosed at 5 months of age and I was told to kill him, I said no, and 10 years later he and his housemates are doing well. :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service
Re: New to FeLV (wendy)
Correct me if I am wrong...But I believe FeLV IS contacted primarily through saliva Maybe not urine and poop In saliva it dies as soon as it becomes dry, but what if it is in poop ??? Can that be carried on a shoe ??? The best defense against the disease is to keep cats healthy, well fed and happy... No stressI believe it is easy to contact but a cat has natural defenses against the disease...The strength of these defenses is directly related to the condition the cat is inThis pretty much holds true both before contact and after when the cat tests positive...My vet says that he has seen many cats who he has seen for the 1st time when on their death bed that test positive and are years old and living with a number of other cats (unvaccinated on farms) and so far as he knows none of the other cats have contacted it...(But maybe the farmer just says this is the same thing and says the cat will die anyway and doesn't come to the vet.) One of the problems is that there are so many variables...health..time..and death is a result of another disease Tad David wrote: Hey, wendy: Your very kind words are muchly appreciated! It was news to me (I mean, MORE news) that saliva was not absolutely implicated in the spread of the virus. Likening it to HIV also made it more clear to me (I'm an LPN). What I find scary...but I've been remiss! I didn't realize that I didn't name the black kitty in my submission. Her name was Flavia, in honor of her devotion to my husband (a semi-long story) and because of her exotic beauty. And we loved her, though that isn't readily apparent in my letter. Mea culpa! Anyhow...what I find scary is that Flavia "got along" with the other cats by ignoring them, and they her. It's always possible that blows, or even bites were traded when I wasn't around. But mutual grooming and communal sleeping are absolutely out of the question. Which, excepting an unknown bite, means that he MUST have gotten it from food/water bowls or litter boxes. Because Elvis is 12. To answer your questionHe turned 12 on July 8. I know this, because I took in a stray who proceeded to give birth in my bedroom closet about 3 weeks later, then went outside one day 5 weeks after that and disappeared. (Not coincidentally, that was the last time any cat of mine went outside.) Anyhow, she had 5 kittens. I gave two to my best friend of 44 years (we're 46) and kept the other three, Elvis, Tiddy (beautiful blue-gray tabby with huge eyes) and Juliet, AKA Girl Cat (large, sweet, shy tortoiseshell with a passion for grooming all others). That's why I know he wasn't born with it, (I know it's a virus that hides, but for 12 years?) and why I'm afraid of the communal bowl and commode possibility. I appreciate your info on all the cats who've lived with positives and not contracted it. Your letter, also, was a great comfort in my despair. I truly appreciate your sharing your Cricket with me. Many thanks! Gia
RE: New to FeLV (Gia - warning Long)
Title: Message Hi Gia, While I lived in Missouri for a year I had a similar problem, most of the vets where Large (farm) animal vets and the three I did take him to said he is positive and will die within three months, infect all of your other cats so you should euthanize him. Belinda, thanks for this report--I've been reading and re-reading it. (As every regular probably knows by now I'm continually wrestling with the idea of mixing mine--I've never mixed.) I have a Q---which year were you in Missouri (1995?) and is this Bailey you're talking about? Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda SauroSent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:32 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: New to FeLV (Gia - warning Long) Hi Gia, While I lived in Missouri for a year I had a similar problem, most of the vets where Large (farm) animal vets and the three I did take him to said he is positive and will die within three months, infect all of your other cats so you should euthanize him. Thankfully I knew better. I did originally have him in a bedroom by himself but if your familar with trailers the doors are high off the florr and I found out that my little stinker Joey was sneaking under the door to play with him while I was at work, so it seemed pointless after that so I let him out with everyone. Him and Joey are the closest to this day. All of mine at that point were vaccinated and negative.My experience with FeLV started back in the early 90's. I had 5 cats, all indoor all vaccinated for everything but FeLV because in my thinking at the time they couldn't have it since they were all indoors. My brain forgot to factor in what they did or were exposed to BEFORE I got them.Frankie my siamese was sickly all his life and like clock work in December would get a URI (every year my vet would ask if she could test him for FeLV and every year I would say no, there is no way he could get it, he is indoor only), usually after a week or two with anitibiotics it would clear up and he always ate well even when sick, he was a hefty 18 pound baby. In 1992 he was sick as usual and she asked as usual but he was very sick and wasn't eating as well so I took him in and she asked as she always did if she could test and I said fine mostly to get her off my back. I almost passed out when she told me he was positive. He had been sick for almost 4 weeks and she said he probably wasn't going to recover this time and said I should euthanize him. Frankie was my baby, that one you have a special bond with and that was not an option, especially since in my mind he still just had a cold, you don't euthanize because of that. I told her to give me stronger anitibiotics and I would take him home. I also had to bring in the rest of my guys to get tested. 3 of his 4 housemates tested positive, Buddie whom I lost to cancer last July was the only one that tested negative and she was the youngest and had in fact been around all of them at 8 weeks of age before her vaccines. Frankie was very sick and it took 6 weeks but he recovered and lived alittle over 2 more years.I lost Skeeter, at age 7 years in October of 93 to lymphoma intestinal cancer. I lost Mike, at age 5 years in March of 94 to kidney cancer and I lost my precious Frankie, at age 9 years to anemia in January of 95. Teenye my 4th turned negative when we had her retested a year later and was negative the rest of her life. I lost her in 2000 at age 16 to a very rare cancer. Buddie never tested positive and was negative all her life. I lost her in 2004 at age 13 to liver cancer. I believe Frankie was born with it and is one of the rare ones that lived to be older. Most of my guys at the time we discovered it were big, hefty cats, Skeeter was 20 pounds, Mikie was 17 pounds, Buddie was 13 to 14 pounds, Teenye was a tiny manx and only weighed 7 pounds at her heaviest.FeLV weakens the immune system so other opportunistic diseases can get their foot in, and with their weakened immune system it is so much harder for a positive to fight anything off even a URI can be fatal and is many times because you have vets that say "Oh it's the FeLV kicking in, there is nothing we can do", and offer ZERO treatment when we all know a URI is quite treatable. Heck many vets once they test a cat and the cat comes up positive, they don't even bother to find out what is wrong with the cat, just recommend euthanasia and if you decline that offer just send you home with the the cat to die. Well any cat healthy or otherwise stands a chance of dying if they are sick and get no treatment. In fact many vets once a cat tests positive, EVEN if the cat is currently quite healthy will recommend euthanasia, even today when we do know more about it many vets are in the dark and don't know or care to learn of the advances for treatments that have been made (interferon, steriods, immunoregalan
Re: New to FeLV (Belinda Sauro)
Gia, I am fortunate enough to live in a city that has a vet school AND a fabulous cats only clinic. But I adopted my 2 boys a few hours north of here in my home town and the vet there did their first exam as well as their snipping a few months later. Now, the vet that my mom prefers to use there is a large animal specialist - just prefers large animals and doesn't particularly like cats (although he likes Mom's cat Bozo - long story, very cool cat ) but he alwaysdoes his job carefully and very thoroughly and while he isn't as up-to-date on small animal medical breakthroughs/research - I think he would be open to learning from a client. But I am still grateful I can take my babies to an all cat clinic.David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That my vet(s) don't appear to know much about FeLV doesn't really surprise me. They didn't know anything about iguanas, and I've had the same experience with ferrets. Still, CATS?? As you'll have likely read in my letter to another member, you'll have notedthat they're mostly large-animals vets who almost seem...ashamed? embarrassed? to even treat small animals. (Anybody else ever have that feeling about a vet?) Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
RE: New to FeLV (Gia)
Title: Message but wouldn't an inoculation boost such a system?Or, failing that, would it do any harm? Gia--I just had my email-with-attachment to you rejected as too large. But you'll find a lot of well-researched info on vaccines from our members in the archives. Good luck---Kerry Gia---you will get lots of feedback I'm sure (and there's tons in the archives) but I'm attaching a couple of emails that one of our members "Sally in San Jose", who does terrific research, posted. (Sally, I realize you prob won't even see this because of your computer probs but we miss you so much!) Many years ago, when my trusted vet realized my cats had become strictly indoor, he strongly advised no longer giving them the FeLV vaccine,because it carries itsown sarcoma risk. (He went to great lengths first tho to establish -- by asking me several Qs--that my cats really really would havezero contact of ANY sort with any other cat.) I omitted to mention this is my last email---but that'sa major contributing factor inmy continuing to separate. And the fact that the vaccine (like most vaccines, in animals and humans, I believe) doesn't guarantee 100% protection in any case. I'm still learning, and until I feel totally confident that my negs cannot contract FeLV I'll continue to separate. But, oh, I would dearly love to mix. take care Giaaltho it's for such a painful reason, it's great to have you on board. Kerry =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: New to FeLV (Kat)
"But is it fair to continue to expose the others? After all,don't 9 other lives outweigh...not that it is only numbers that count: "the good of the many, etc."...but he really COULDN'T stand it, so the only alternative would be...but, not THAT...still loves life, still as interested as ever, not even sick...but what if the others are negative?...would I not be responsible if other(s) turned positive later? how is THAT fair? but what can I do? not THAT.. GAWD I'm sure you all probably know THAT drill." The others have already been exposed, if they were going to catch it, they probably would have already. Removing him now really wouldn't make MUCH of a difference. They either have strong immune systems and wont catch it (or have caught it and fought it off already), or they have weak immune systems and probably already have it. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 11/17/2005
RE: New to FeLV (Kat)
Gia Yes, agree, great stories--what a character Elvis is! And s smart! What a darling! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: New to FeLV (Kat) Gia, LOLOLOLOL!!! I love the stories about Elvis, especially at the vet. He sounds like he has such personality!!! No wonder you love this kitty so --- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Kat: Many thanks for your warm welcome! I appreciate your heartening info re: exposure. It makes me feel a lot better. What Elvis' vet told my husband was, He has a 50/50 chance. Which doesn't make any sense to me. A 50% chance of...what? Naturally, I intend to straighten this out tomorrow. I was happy to hear there are others who mix positives and negatives. If there were any possible way, I would separate. However, Elvis, being the Elvis that he is, is one of the most social cats there ever were. He could NEVER tolerate being away from the action. And by action, I mean people. He accompanies us to the telephone, commenting while we're trying to converse. (He's a talker.) The doorbell sends him into transports of joy; old friends are always dear, but STRANGERSI've always been grateful that he can't reach our top latch, because he welcomes all comers. He's the only cat I've ever known that positively LOVES being in the car, despite its being only the ride to the doctor. Not that he has a fear of vets...quite the contrary! At the vet, he always sits primly; long legs perfectly straight in front, tail curled tightly around toes. In the seat next to mine. Where I try to pretend that I can't read the signs forbidding such. Once, hearing his name called clearly, without 'our' last name attached, he calmly jumped down from his chair, and avidly followed the caller into the exam room.(!) Sorry to go on for so long! Frankly, I feel guilty about NOT separating, and so feel I must defend my position. Only to myself, evidently; you and others have been nothing but supportive of either choice. Elvis is not all that interested in the others, and the feeling is mutual, and so it is for HIS benefit that I hesitate to quarantine. Such a choice does not consider the others. Yet at the same time, I KNOW that such isolation would, from his point of view, be a fate worse than death. But is it fair to continue to expose the others? After all, don't 9 other lives outweigh...not that it is only numbers that count: the good of the many, etcbut he really COULDN'T stand it, so the only alternative would be...but, not THAT...still loves life, still as interested as ever, not even sick...but what if the others are negative?...would I not be responsible if other(s) turned positive later? how is THAT fair? but what can I do? not THAT.. GAWD I'm sure you all probably know THAT drill. Happy to hear that you're free of this blight! And so sorry for your losses. I'm glad you've stayed in the community; please know that this first response, yours, lightened my load and encouraged me to keep reading. Thank you. Gia (O-klaw-homa) __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: New to FeLV (please read these links)
"I understood your point about sufficiently strong immune systems, but wouldn't an inoculation boost such a system? Or, failing that, would it do any harm?" Being a nurse, maybe it would help to look at it this way: When I was about 19 and getting ready to go to college, I had a deep fear of having to get more vaccines myself. So I opted to have blood drawn, and let the labs run titers for the things they said I needed boosted. Turns out, all of my childhood vaccines (I had my last set as a young child) were still providing excellenttiters for me (which, legally is all that is required, even though titer levels are arguably NOT the same thing as immunity). Not everyone (this includes pets) needs all of the endless vaccines and boosters for everything. It's overkill (or outright lies, depending on the source). Studies have been run and completed for cats and dogs, and have proven that many animal vaccines provide up to 3 years ofwhat is considered an "effective" titer level (these are vaccines that usually are given annually, such as rabies, distemper, and FELV). That being said, having a high titer does not equally translate into immunity. Many factors enter into the equasion when you are studying immunity. For example, did you know that most of the well known human diseases that we developed vaccines for declined rapidly BEFORE the vaccines were developed and given? This happened, we believe, in the most part, due to improved sanitazation and health of the population. Here is an interesting website that is studying the effects on proper diet and healthy environment on immunity, which is why we all urge premium diets and healthy lifestyles for FELV+ cats (though some of us may not know the science behind WHY it works): http://vaclib.org/intro/present/overview.htm My point here is that vaccines do not equal immunity, and in fact, vaccines often cause more harm than good, espcially when you are talking about the FELV vaccine in cats. The felv vaccine has been one of the vaccines most commonly associated with Vaccine associated sarcomas, a cancer that develops at the vaccination site location. It is believed that the adjuvants in vaccines are the main causes of VAS. You can easily find this information online if you do a search. Adjuvants are nasty things in themselves, but that's only one of the many harmful and toxic substances IN vaccines. Here are links to more info on VAS (and the role of adjuvants in VAS): http://www.vas-awareness.org/ http://www.feline-vas-support.org/(talk to people who have lived through this with their cat) http://www.petresource.com/articlesofinterest/vaccinationsitesarcomasincat.html http://www.avma.org/vafstf/treatcoutomacy.asp http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/sep04/040915k.asp http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00109.htm http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html http://www.vetinfo.com/cvaccprob.html And about the ingredients in vaccines: http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html(this is human vaccines, which have to be "cleaner" than animal vaccines) http://www.whale.to/vaccine/adjuvants.html I do sincerely hope you (and everyone else) take the time to at least skim most of the above links, so you can make informed decisions on vaccines and their complications. it is not something to take lightly, and I myself am torn between the decision. Rabies is now thew ONLY vaccine I give to my cats, and I limit that to once every 3 years, and make sure it is given only in the lower rear leg. I will NEVER get another vaccine myself. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 11/17/2005
Re: New to FeLV (wendy)
Correct me if I am wrong...But I believe FeLV IS contacted primarily through salivaMaybe not urine and poopIn saliva it dies as soon as it becomes dry, but what if it is in poop ??? Can that be carried on a shoe ??? FELV dies unless it has an optimal wet and warm environment (and studies say it lives a maximum of 3 days even in that optimum environment). Since any poop on your shoes rapidly cools, and any that tracks OFF your shoe (like onto the floor) would be dry and cold instantly, there is very little chance of carrying FELV on your shoes. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 11/17/2005
Re: New to FeLV (Belinda Sauro)
Gia, Cricket and I had a horrible experience with a large animal vet two years ago. If I wouldn't have taken him home after the 18 hours of care that he received from the vet, he would have died there. He had a horrible infection he picked up after he ripped out all his back claws trying to claw his way up a brick column while trying to get away from a big dog that had gotten out of his house and went after him. I didn't know that his claws were gone until after I brought him home from the vets and he recouped. They tested his blood for FeLV while there and I thought that was what was wrong with him. The vet was giving him no IV fluid nor sustenance, after I had specifically asked them to, and pretty much left him in his cage. When I finally realized what was happening (thank God for women's instinct), I rushed to the vet in the middle of my work day and took him home with antibiotics. He was pretty much lifeless; very limp and not much responsiveness, which was opposite of how he was when I brought him in. I stayed home from work for two days and gave him his meds and water every hour and food every so often when I felt he could handle it. I could NOT believe that he came back, that's how sick he was. The vet even told me that he'd never seen a cat come back from being that sick. His temperature was so high that it went all the way to the top of the thermometer and they couldn't tell how high it actually was. So, in lieu of all this info., if you or anyone else can at all avoid a primarily large animal vet, DO SO. I guess it's kind of like asking a family practitioner to perform a hemorrhoid-ectomy. LOL. No offense to large animal practitioners; that's just the way it is. :) Wendy --- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Belinda: You have my heartfelt thanks for your response to my letter. Everything I've read here has contributed to the lessening of my despair about this disaster. Your letter is certainly no exception! I was shocked at your info re: bad experiences vaccinating unknown positives. Before I went the round of vaccinations in 2003, knowing that they would do no good for the already infected, I specifically asked if it would do them any harm. I was assured that it would have no effect, either way. That is why I didn't bother to test first. The vet actually was somewhat reluctant to NOT test first, but was adamant that it would do no harm, and, at $40 a (literal) shot, and the same for the test...well, you can do the math. I'm sure you can understand why I didn't test. In fact, your letter is what has made me reconsider my original decision NOT to test. My (2nd) vet seemed so certain that, if they didn't actually test positive now, they would surely do so eventually. The implication I got was that it was possible to get false-negative results, which also led me to choose vaccination without testing. Certainly, I would never vaccinate any positive-result cats; wouldn't be any point, would be a waste of money I could use for their care, and might actually do harm. So it looks like 'tests for all' is coming tomorrow. And I can't TELL you how I dread it I assume your negatives have always been vaccinated? And I was so relieved and gratified to hear that you have had a positive that 'old' and that communal living for so long has had no ill effect. That my vet(s) don't appear to know much about FeLV doesn't really surprise me. They didn't know anything about iguanas, and I've had the same experience with ferrets. Still, CATS?? As you'll have likely read in my letter to another member, you'll have noted that they're mostly large-animals vets who almost seem...ashamed? embarrassed? to even treat small animals. (Anybody else ever have that feeling about a vet?) As to what my vet say(s) is wrong with Elvis...he only said, Feline Leukemia. I took that as a definitive answer, because until I began reading last night, I thought that feline leukemia was, well...leukemia. Cancer. Which, as we all know, is quite enough to be wrong with anybody. Really, calling it the FeLV is SO misleading! In my first letter, I said that after my initial experience with our Flavia, it was only after I went back home and began thinking that I called him back and asked about the possibility of contagion. You know what caused the unease which prompted my call? It was only a chance remark by the vet, something about where she caught it. It wasn't a completed thought, and it wasn't even to me, but to his assistant. Had I not overheard, I would NEVER have even considered that it could be a contagious disease. After all, cancer isn't contagious! Anyhow, I have no idea was ELSE is wrong. My gawd!! As I said, I thought it was 'contagious cancer', quite enough to cause weight loss. I'll have to remember to ask when I call tomorrow. You may have saved his life!! For that, as well as
Re: New to FeLV (Kerry - warning Long)
Hi Kerry, Yes we went to Missouri in May of 95 and moved back here (Washington state), and yes it is my little Bailey I am talking about. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: New to FeLV
Hi Gia, Welcome to our list - but I'm sorry you had to find us. You will learn alot from all of the members here - and we have all been in your shoes in the beginning - not knowing anything about the disease and not having very many vets offer anything more than pts (put to sleep) options. As far as exposure and spreading to your other cats goes: the statistics indicate that only a third of all cats exposed will actually succumb to the disease - a third will contract it but then fight it off, and a third will never catch it at all. The virus itself is rather fragile outside of the body - the saying when it dries - it dies pretty much says it all. We have members here who mix their positives and negatives, and we have people who separate them - it's really a personal choice that is made based on everyone's particular situation. We have shared enough knowledge between us, that we have been able to inform our vets of our choice of treatments and we have been able to decide if we need to find another vet who will listen to us or if we can work well with our current vets. I, personally, do not have any FeLV+ kitties anymore, but I stay because of our community of caring - you will not find a more responsive, compassionate, understanding and supportive group of people anywhere! Again, so sorry to welcome you here. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, David Prescott wrote: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:25:49 -0600 From: David Prescott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New to FeLV Summer 2002: Finally took in stray cat that'd been hanging around for a year or so. Sweet, beautiful short-haired black kitty with yellow eyes, about 2 years old - she met the others, got along fairly well. Was absolutely IN LOVE with my husband. One Month Later: To vet for check-up, vaccinations, and spay. Passed physical. Did NOT have FeLV vaccine or test, due to my ignorance and lack of info from vet. January 2003: Had been fine up to now, but has she lost weight? Began vomiting, drooling, labored breathing. To vet immediately. Diagnosis: FeLV, pneumonia - no air capacity at all left in lungs. Humanely euthanized. Nothing from vet re: contagious nature of disease nor any questions from vet re: other cats in household, despite fact that he had spayed/neutered ALL the others. Back home. Began (finally) thinking. Called vet back. Asked about other household cats. Devasted by info given. Immediately began shuttling other 10 cats to vet for vaccinations. Total bill: $465.00. Told by vet to watch others for about 6 months. Everything fine, until... November 16, 2005. Elvis, big orange tabby, genius IQ, love of my life, has lost weight. To (different) vet. Diagnosis: Feline Leukemia. Called vet back (was at work, husband took) re: other cats. Told: They've already been exposed. If they have it, there's nothing we can do, anyway. Now that the long story, semi-short has been told...I intend to re-vaccinate all the others immediately. If you are wondering why I didn't repeat the vaccine in 2004, all I can tell you is that my cats have NOT been re-exposed...that they have NEVER gone outside themselves...that my house was sanitized top-to-bottom, including brand-new litter boxes, food and water dishes, and bleach everywhere else. (I don't have any carpet, all linoleum and ceramic tile, so it's easy.) I have only one excuse: ignorance. It's only now that I have learned to operate my computer in this very limited fashion, and only now that I see my devastating error. I did not know that they could been (and obviously, WERE) infected after nearly 2 years...that it could take so long for the disease to manifest itself. I thought the danger had passed. Actually, I have no excuse...I only have my heartbreak. Can anyone tell me how likely it is that my others have it? Or are likely to get it? I don't really see any point in testing; my house does not lend itself to separation of infected/non-infected, plus the emotional toll on some would be too much. Never have I regretted an act of kindness to animals...until now. Thanks for listening. Gia
Re: New to FeLV
Gia, I am sorry to hear about your loss of the black stray kitty and sorrier to hear that your Elvis has been diagnosed with FeLV. You should not feel guilty because of your ignorance. Even the vets are somewhat mystified by FeLV as not a lot is known about the virus. You can akin FeLV to HIV. The veterinary industry only knows for sure that FeLV is spread by blood or birth. They do not know for sure that it is spread any other way, but many suspect that close contact (saliva) is another way you can spread the virus. The virus can only live outside the host for a very short period of time. If Elvis and your black kitty were close, it is possible Elvis got it that way. But if not, maybe (but not proven) through litter boxes of food/water bowls or maybe Elvis already had it from birth and it is just now manifesting itself. It would probably be very unlikely that ALL your cats have contracted FeLV from that one kitty. So many of us here have a lot of cats, but maybe only one or two who have FeLV. Many have cats that lived for years with FeLV and they never contracted it. Mine haven't, and were with my Cricket for 4 and a half years before he passed last week. Also, FYI, the FeLV vaccine is supposed to last 2-3 years, so your others are most likely ok from the first vaccine. How old is Elvis? This website was a life saver for me when Cricket was sick. He was my baby and I took his illness very hard. He was sick for 3.5 weeks before he died. Everyone here was so kind, encouraging, and best of all, informed. I hope Elvis, with proper care from you, lives a long life with FeLV. I want to encourage you to read up on all the posts you can because you will learn a lot and learn that FeLV is not an 'immediate death sentence' as many vets think it is. Let us know if you need anything. Prayers- Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: New to FeLV
Title: Message Dear Gia As Kat said, I'm sorry for the reason you had to find us, but welcome to the list. You won't find a more supportive/generous/kind-hearted/better FeLV-informed bunch of people anywhere---I don't know what I would have done if I hadn't found this list--so you have definitely come to the right place. And bless *you* Giafor all that you do---you are clearly a very caring cat "mom", and your kitties are lucky to have found someone like you. Too many never know what it is to be loved, wanted, and cared-for. I totally understand your heartbreak and regret but please please don't beat yourself up---you simply didn't know, and you can't blame yourself for action/inaction when you literally didn't know any better. (Your vet however is a different matter---he or she should certainly have known better. It looks like you've switched vets-I hope you are happy with and able to trustyour new vet. It took me a while -- really the penny didn't drop until I joined the list-- to realize that my naive belief that every vet must be, by definition, a good vetwhose first priority was animal welfare, was wrong, wrong, wrong. I now have 2 vets that I do really trust.) I believe you'll find that most people mix their positives and negatives (having vaccinated their negs first). Yours have already been exposed however, so -- in my view, and you will be able to get feedback from others who mix (I don't mix--the positive kitslive in my 2nd bedroom)--- there may be no point in vaccinating. Many healthy adult catsremain uninfected because their immune systems are sufficiently strong to withstand infection. Among my feral colony of 6 cats that I took in, 5 turned outto be positive (4 of them were3-month-old kittens; one was a bit older). The 6th was an adult, and she has tested negativetwice even though she continued to live with the positives (it would have been pointless as well as heartless to separate her from her buddies). I'm pretty certainly she was never vaccinated against FeLV. (She lived on the street and is still resolutely feral, so I doubt she ever had a home or anyone who cared for her.) I agree with your decision not to re-test. I feel the same--I have 3 other negative people-friendly cats, and sometimes, even though they share nothing with the positive cats, rational or not, I still worry about them becoming infected. I used to think I should have them tested when they go for their check-ups, but now I see no point. They appear healthy in every respect and if that ever changes that will be the time to do tests. Gia, re your commentI did not know that they could been (and obviously, WERE) infected after nearly 2 years...that it could take solong for the disease to manifest itself. I thought the danger had passed ,here'san excerpt you may find helpful from The New Natural Cat--A Complete Guide for Finicky Owners, by Anitra Frazier-- it's in the Feline Leukemia section on pages 326/327 should you happen to see the book: "When a positive cat---one carrying the virus--comes into contact with a negative cat--one not carrying the virus--the negative, but exposed cat may: *not become affected in any way; *become infected (positive), develop immunity, and revert again to being negative; *become positive, but not become ill and remain positive--thus becoming a new carrier of the virus; *become positive and develop lymphosarcoma, leukemia, or other cancer; or *become positive and be ill from the virus infection, much like flu; and then recover and remain positive or become negative. A positive cat who has not developed cancer can be tested again in three months. If he has been treated by an experienced veterinary homeopath and put on a high-quality diet designed to build general health and strengthen the immune system, chances are good that he will have reverted to negative. "(my emphasis) Hope that helps.take care, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David PrescottSent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:26 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: New to FeLV Summer 2002: Finally took in stray cat that'd been hanging around for a year or so. Sweet, beautiful short-haired black kitty with yellow eyes, about 2 years old - she met the others, got along fairly well. Was absolutely IN LOVE with my husband. One Month Later: To vet for check-up, vaccinations, and spay. Passed physical. Did NOT have FeLV vaccine or test, due to my ignorance and lack of info from vet. January 2003: Had been fine up to now, but has she lost weight? Began vomiting, drooling, labored breathing. To vet immediately. Diagnosis: FeLV, pneumonia - no air capacity at all left in lungs. Humanely euthanized. Nothing from vet re: contagious nature of disease nor any questions from vet re: other cats in household, despite fact that he had spayed/neutered ALL the others. Back home. Began (finally) thinking.
Re: New to FeLV
Gia, I'm sorry for all of your misfortune, boy did your old vet let you down, he should NEVER have vaccinated without testing first, it makes no sense to vaccinate an already positive cat and I have talked with several people who have had bad experiences unknowningly vaccinating a positive cat. I would at some point get them tested if you plan on getting them vaccinated for the FeLV atleast because if there are anymore positives, I personally wouldn't vaccinate them. I do not seperate my negs ad pos, I currently only have 1 pos. and he has lived with his housemates unseperated for over 10 years and nobody has gotten it from him. I am glad to hear you have a new vet, but it still worries me that they would vaccinate without testing, sorry but this is a red flag for me that maybe they are not very knowledgable about FeLV altoghether. My guess ie Elvis had it back years ago and it just now activated. I have had positives live long lives before they got active and passed from an opportunistic disease, usually cancer or anemia. Just curious what does your vet say is wrong with Elvis?? If they said FeLV mainifesting nothing we can do I'd run as fast as I could and find an new vet who has more experience with FeLV and doesn't just write a positive cat off that gets sick. I've nursed many positives through many illnesses, BUT you have to know what is wrong with them!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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First off: The FELV virus dies almost instantly in the air, so there's NO need to bleach or sanitize or even throw out anything. Common misconception that costs people lots of money for no reason. Wash with normal soap and water, let dry completely, and any feline leukemia virus on it is GONE, period, just like that. In fact, not really any need to even wash, just dry everything well with a hair dryer, just as effective at killing the FELV virus as bleach (more so, actually). Now, that being said, There is no reason to vaccinate your cats against FELV again. Like you said, they have already been exposed. The ones with weak immune systems will have already caught it, the ones with strong immune systems have already proven that they are immune to it. Giving the vaccine would be redundant and a pointless expense. HOWEVER, I DO think you should have all of your cats TESTED for FELV. The reason is this: YOU VET WAS WRONG WHEN HE TOLD YOU "NOTHING" COULD BE DONE. If any of your cats test positive, you should order Interferon, and supplement them with it ASAP. There are also other treatments listed on the website that you might also consider, such as Acemann, and supplements such as Lysine and vitamin C. It is known that it IS possible for a cat that tests positive to later test negative, giving them good immune support will help them do this! They CAN fight it off with the right care! I also strongly urge you to switch to a premium diet if you already are not feeding one. Innova, California Natural, Waltham, Royal Canin, and Wellness are a few good ones (others here can name more). Supporting your cat's immune system is the priority now, and feeding a GOOD diet with natural ingredients and solid nutrition is a CORE need. My final suggestion: GET A NEW VET. Yours is ignorant at best, and an INCOMPETENT, IGNORANT FOOL at worst. I would "fire" him so fast his head would swim! In addition, 10 FELV vaccines should not come to $465! That's an outrage! I just called my own vet, and told them your situation, and they said that yes, your vet sounds like he made some huge mistakes, and secondly, they said that if you got 10 cats vaccinated with the FELV vaccine, it would come to a total bill of $175. That's the $10 for the vaccine itself, and $7.50 for a brief combined office visit each. Even if you paid for the booster that they should have gotten 2 weeks later at the time, that would only come to $350. Lastly: You should NOT beat yourself up for rescuing that cat. You did a good thing. Yes, you made a mistake by mixing him in with your others without getting him tested for FELV first, BUT, it WAS NOT YOUR FAULT. Your vet SHOULD have informed you of the test for FELV, and suggested you get it done before adding this cat into your household. Your vet was incompetent, NOT YOU! You did a good thing, and should not blame yourself (or the cat) for anything that has happened. Mistakes happen. All you can do is call this whole disaster a learning experience, and grow from it. Take all the things you have learned and take them with you for "next time" and make the most of the experience. Afternote: Many of us have or have had mixed households, with FELV positive cats mixed in with negative cats, and have never had any of the negative cats catch FELV from them. Many of us choose to do this because the risk is so small. Test your cats. Supplement the ones that test positive. Then just live, keep it all as it is, and enjoy them all, as they are all precious, no need to separate or stress out about contagiousness. I sure hope I have helped you to see that there IS hope, and that it's not your fault this has happened to you! Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 11/16/2005
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Hi Gia, I sensed a lot of love for your cats in your email. I am also new to FeLV, and have not been on this list for very long. I have one young positive little orange cat, Cottonwho is new to my household and 3 established adults, one of whomhas testedpositive.My cats are not particularly cozy, and after much thought, I have decided that they should continue to live together as they are. Ihave foundmuch comfort, guidanceand acceptance inthis list, and I hope that you do too. But more importantly, I'm learning every daywhat I can do to ensure that my cats havedietaryandsupplemental immune system support to go along withthe most lovinglife I can provide.I have already seen a difference in Cotton, theyoung orange cat. He had quite swollen lymph nodes, and they are slowly getting smaller by the addition of L-lysine to his food. He will begin Interferon treatment soon, and as soon as some of his digestive issuesresolve, I plan on switching tosuper premium food and perhaps other supplements. I'm very hopeful that even though he may not live for long through no fault of his own, he will have the best chance atthe most quality life I can provide, as well as my other cats. I look forward to learning with you. Sandy C. and cats Cotton, Miss, Myca and Cricket
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Hi Peggy, i'm so sorry about Thorne, she was so young, but so lucky to have a loving home with you. According to my rumor mill, if they make it to 5, they're doing pretty good. My last two died between 2 and 3 years of lymphoma. That seems to be a critical age. There's something about when they get it too - if they're born with it, vs, if they get it later. Anybody? After my first 3 died, I've started using daily interferon alpha, as a way to boost the immune system and hopefully stop the virus from mutating into a form that produces disease. So far so good. Don't know! But there are many who proclaim the virtues of interferon, and I'd like to hopefully prolong their little lives. Sending good wishes for you all, Gloria On Jun 14, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Peggy Rankin wrote: This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about Felv till now but I am so confused. so for this is the only palce I found for help. Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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Peggy, First of all I am sorry to hear about Thorne, it is a hard decision to make. Secondly I have my positve and negatives mixed and all is fine, alot of members have them mixed. If Petal is healthy you might want to ask about Interferon, it is an oral medication that I give to my healthy postive (to keep her that way hopefully) with 7 days on and 7 days off. So please do not fret and we are all here to help and listen. CheriePeggy Rankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about Felv till now but I am so confused.so for this is the only palce I found for help. Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!Have a purrfect day Cherie
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Title: Message Oh Peggy, I'm so, so sorry for the reason you've had to find us. I well believe what a horrible week you've had, finding out about the FeLV and losing your little Thorne. But you've come to the right place---you will not find a more supportive, experienced, well-informed, and generous group of people than the folks on this FeLV list. (It's been a total godsend to me.) First---in case this is your fear---you will NOT have to put Petal to sleep in six weeks if she retests positive. Many of us have FeLV positive kitties that are otherwise healthy and enjoying life. And even when they become symptomatic, there is much you can do to help them. Also, since Flower has already been exposed, and found negative it's highly likely her immune system has fought off the disease, and shewill remain FeLV-freeeven though she remains with Petal -- I have a similar situation, and I've continued to keep them all together, since they were together, as a little colony, when they found me. When I had the negative catre-tested, sheremained negative. So, you may wish -- especially when you've had more input from other members --- to consider bringing Flower home again. It's wonderful that your kitties have such a caring mom--they are very lucky. I'll be sending some info on nutrition to 2 other new members later today, and I'll add you to the list, Peggy. till later, take care, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peggy RankinSent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:46 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: New to felv have questions This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about Felv till now but I am so confused.so for this is the only palce I found for help. Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Peggy, I am so sorry to hear what is going on with you and your kitties. I just joined this group too, after finding out one of my 3 in FeLV+. This is a great resource, and you will learn a lot. I am going to e-mail you some info privately that I have found helpful. You, Flower and Thorne are in my prayers. Erika When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you.
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Title: Message Peggy, I just added your name to Erika and Niki's and sent you (all) some diet/nutrition info. (Let me know if you don't receive.) kepp us posted, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peggy RankinSent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:46 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: New to felv have questions This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about Felv till now but I am so confused.so for this is the only palce I found for help. Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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As one of those people who have mixedhousehold, I would tell you not to get too concerned. If Flower has not gotten this in all this time, chances are she never will. If Petal is healthy but pos, then again, dont worry so much as she is an adult cat. You can vaccinate Flower every year and that would add some protection beyond her own immune system. I understand its tough for adult cats to come down with disease. How old is Flower? How long had she Petal been together? Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peggy Rankin Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:46 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New to felv have questions This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about Felv till now but I am so confused.so for this is the only palce I found for help. Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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Peggy, I am so sorry for your loss. How long have Petal and Flower lived together already? How long did they live with Thorne? When I was in a similar situation I separated like you have done, but mine had already lived together at least 3 months, so I just brought my positive cat back home and let her live with the rest of my cats. No one ever caught it from her. It's important to know who was newest to the household, etc... to try to determine what's best, but most likely, if Flower has already lived with the other 2 positive cats for any amount of time she either already has it and is just not testing positive (yet) or she's not going to get it. tonyaPeggy Rankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about Felv till now but I am so confused.so for this is the only palce I found for help. Discover Yahoo!Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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I am so sorry for your loss When a cat is tested positive for FeLV, I read that there are different scenarios and I am copying the article below: Please know that there is a good chance that Petal might have either transient infections (30 to 35% of cats) or latent infections (5-10%) please put him on the good diet and good supplement as he might be able to get rid of the virus I have heard and read many articles where cats live healthfully for a long time (can be over 10 years) even with the positive status so please dont be discouraged it seems that the critical survival time for FeLV cats are for the first three years, the fact that he is already 5 years old, he might have just transient infections from the other kitty please keep the hopes high I have one FeLV+ kitty, Ginger, she is only 1 year old, but I am taking one day at a time and do the best that I can do for her - What happens to a cat after being exposed to FeLV? If the cat becomes infected from the exposure, 2-4 weeks later, in the acute stage of infection, large numbers of the virus can be found in the bloodstream (viremia). Cats in the acute phase usually do not show signs of disease. If they do, the signs are usually mild fever, slight lethargy, and swollen lymph nodes (lymphadenopathy). When an adult cat is exposed to FeLV, four things can happen: 1. Approximately 30% of adult cats will not be infected due to inadequate exposure. 2. 30-35% of adult cats have a transient infection; over the course of 6 months or so, the cats will eventually kill all of the virus. 3. 5-10% of adult cats will develop latent infections; these cats will not be able to kill all the virus, but will be able to hold it in check. This is called a latent infection. These cats usually show no signs of infection and usually do not shed virus in their saliva or other body secretions. Queens, however, may still pass the virus in utero or through the milk. 4. 30% of adult cats will become persistently infected; these cats will not develop an adequate immune response and will remain permanently infected with FeLV. These are the cats who will become ill and die of FeLV-related diseases, usually within 2-3 years of infection. These cats will shed large amounts of virus in their saliva. Age is a very important factor in determining what will happen after a cat is exposed to FeLV. Almost all FeLV-exposed kittens less than 8 weeks of age will have persistent viremia and show signs of disease during the acute phase. As kittens get older, there is the probability of becoming persistently infected after exposure lessens, until it reaches approximately 30% in adulthood. The prevalence of FeLV infection is highest in cats between 1 and 6 years of age, with a mean age of 3 years. Males are 1-½ times more likely to be infected than females. This may be due to the frequency in which intact males roam and fight. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New to felv have questions Peggy, I am so sorry for your loss. How long have Petal and Flower lived together already? How long did they live with Thorne? When I was in a similar situation I separated like you have done, but mine had already lived together at least 3 months, so I just brought my positive cat back home and let her live with the rest of my cats. No one ever caught it from her. It's important to know who was newest to the household, etc... to try to determine what's best, but most likely, if Flower has already lived with the other 2 positive cats for any amount of time she either already has it and is just not testing positive (yet) or she's not going to get it. tonya Peggy Rankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about Felv till now but I am so confused.so for this is the only palce I found for help. Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
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Thanks, Hideyo, good information - Gloria On Jun 14, 2005, at 6:17 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I am so sorry for your loss When a cat is tested positive for FeLV, I read that there are different scenarios and I am copying the article below: Please know that there is a good chance that Petal might have either transient infections (30 to 35% of cats) or latent infections (5-10%) please put him on the good diet and good supplement as he might be able to get rid of the virus I have heard and read many articles where cats live healthfully for a long time (can be over 10 years) even with the positive status so please dont be discouraged it seems that the critical survival time for FeLV cats are for the first three years, the fact that he is already 5 years old, he might have just transient infections from the other kitty please keep the hopes high I have one FeLV+ kitty, Ginger, she is only 1 year old, but I am taking one day at a time and do the best that I can do for her - What happens to a cat after being exposed to FeLV? If the cat becomes infected from the exposure, 2-4 weeks later, in the acute stage of infection, large numbers of the virus can be found in the bloodstream (viremia). Cats in the acute phase usually do not show signs of disease. If they do, the signs are usually mild fever, slight lethargy, and swollen lymph nodes (lymphadenopathy). When an adult cat is exposed to FeLV, four things can happen: 1. Approximately 30% of adult cats will not be infected due to inadequate exposure. 2. 30-35% of adult cats have a transient infection; over the course of 6 months or so, the cats will eventually kill all of the virus. 3. 5-10% of adult cats will develop latent infections; these cats will not be able to kill all the virus, but will be able to hold it in check. This is called a latent infection. These cats usually show no signs of infection and usually do not shed virus in their saliva or other body secretions. Queens, however, may still pass the virus in utero or through the milk. 4. 30% of adult cats will become persistently infected; these cats will not develop an adequate immune response and will remain permanently infected with FeLV. These are the cats who will become ill and die of FeLV-related diseases, usually within 2-3 years of infection. These cats will shed large amounts of virus in their saliva. Age is a very important factor in determining what will happen after a cat is exposed to FeLV. Almost all FeLV-exposed kittens less than 8 weeks of age will have persistent viremia and show signs of disease during the acute phase. As kittens get older, there is the probability of becoming persistently infected after exposure lessens, until it reaches approximately 30% in adulthood. The prevalence of FeLV infection is highest in cats between 1 and 6 years of age, with a mean age of 3 years. Males are 1- times more likely to be infected than females. This may be due to the frequency in which intact males roam and fight. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New to felv have questions Peggy, I am so sorry for your loss. How long have Petal and Flower lived together already? How long did they live with Thorne? When I was in a similar situation I separated like you have done, but mine had already lived together at least 3 months, so I just brought my positive cat back home and let her live with the rest of my cats. No one ever caught it from her. It's important to know who was newest to the household, etc... to try to determine what's best, but most likely, if Flower has already lived with the other 2 positive cats for any amount of time she either already has it and is just not testing positive (yet) or she's not going to get it. tonya Peggy Rankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about Felv till now but I am so confused. so for this is the only palce I found for help. Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
