Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: vaccinations
Awesome! Thanks for that link and the note about the expense! I, too, might look into a mass vaccination day. Marsha Margo wrote: Shelley, It is now available; http://www.merial.com/EN/PressRoom/PressRelease/Pages/Merial-Introduces-PUREVAX%C2%AE-Feline-Rabies-3-YR-Vaccine.aspx I don't think most Vets will carry it. The Vets will have to charge $60-70 for it, and that probaby won't fly with most clients. I talked to my Vet about it, and we came to the conclusion that they would likely not use the full tray before it expired, and even I understand that that's too much expense. I am considering asking if she can buy one full tray and come out and do a mass vaccine day for me. HTH Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fw: Re: vaccinations
-Forwarded Message- >From: Margo >Sent: Aug 16, 2014 7:39 AM >To: Shelley Theye >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations > > > >Shelley, > > It is now available; > >http://www.merial.com/EN/PressRoom/PressRelease/Pages/Merial-Introduces-PUREVAX%C2%AE-Feline-Rabies-3-YR-Vaccine.aspx > > I don't think most Vets will carry it. The Vets will have to charge > $60-70 for it, and that probaby won't fly with most clients. I talked to my > Vet about it, and we came to the conclusion that they would likely not use > the full tray before it expired, and even I understand that that's too much > expense. I am considering asking if she can buy one full tray and come out > and do a mass vaccine day for me. > >HTH > >Margo > > >-Original Message- >>From: Shelley Theye >>Sent: Aug 15, 2014 9:38 AM >>To: Margo , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations >> >>Margo, >> >>I don't think there is a 3 year Purevax Rabies yet is there? >>I thought I read somewhere that it might last longer than a year, which it is >>listed as now, but that >>they hadn't officially decided to call it a 3 year. I would love to only >>have to think about this every 3 years! >> >>Shelley >> >> >>On Aug 14, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Margo wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> "Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so >>> either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being >>> positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, >>> probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a >>> positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a >>> big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that >>> antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop >>> antibodies." >>> >>> First, because it is mandated by law. It is not likely >>> that an indoor cat will be exposed to rabies, but it can happen. >>> >>> Second because not being vaccinated puts the cat at >>> risk should it somehow manage to bite or scratch someone. Much depends on >>> local ordinances, but there can be severe consequences to having an >>> unvaccinated pet (to the pet) should the person injured decide to push. My >>> positives are current at the moment, but when it comes time to >>> re-vaccinate, I will request a waiver. BUT! That will not change the >>> protocol should they be involved in an injury to a human. More likely I >>> will find somewhere to get them the 3 year Purevax rabies. >>> >>> Would you clarify your comment about an antibody problem? "They have that >>> antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop >>> antibodies." >>> >>> I'm afraid I don't quite understand. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mago >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Kat Parker >>> Sent: Aug 14, 2014 1:22 PM >>> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6 >>> >>> Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so >>> either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being >>> positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, >>> probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a >>> positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a >>> big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that >>> antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop >>> antibodies. >>> >>> On Thursday, August 14, 2014, wrote: >>> >>> > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >>> > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> > >>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> > >>> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> > >>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >>> > >>> > You can reach the person managing the list at >>> > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >>> > >>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >>> > >>> > >>> > Today's Topics: >>> > >>> > 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) >>> > 2. Re: New & have question (dlg...@windstream.net ) >>> > 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net ) >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > Message: 1 >>> > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 >>> > From: Shelley Theye > >>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? >>> > Message-ID: <79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net >>> > > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> > >>> > Hi Lance, >>> > >>> > I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even >>> > consid
Re: Vaccinations
Susan I think that your vet is right. I would never consider vaccinating a sick kitty. This is a link to C.A. Diodati. http://www.freeyurko.bizland.com/ diodaticv.html She has researched and written exhaustively about vaccinations, and is considered a sane and reasoned voice on the subject. You might read her book before you consider anything. Jane On Sep 27, 2007, at 7:41 PM, Susan Ang wrote: Since Autumn has been sick the vet didn't want to give her her booster. The first time she got sick was two days after her first shots. She was found outside and was relatively healthy. Has anyone else had problems with a cat with viremia and vaccinations? Just curious. ~Susan A.
Re: Vaccinations
I can't address the vaccinations that Autumn got but my holistic vets are recommending titers to determine what a cat needs. Apparently a lot of animals are having trouble with vaccinations. Others on the list can address this better than I. Dixie tested FeLV+ and will never receive another vaccination. Two other little friends, one with cancer and the other with auto-immune hemophilic anemia, stopped receiving vaccinations when we found out their immune systems were compromised.Any critters coming into my life will have titers run before we do any vaccinations. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Ang To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: Vaccinations Since Autumn has been sick the vet didn't want to give her her booster. The first time she got sick was two days after her first shots. She was found outside and was relatively healthy. Has anyone else had problems with a cat with viremia and vaccinations? Just curious. ~Susan A.
Re: vaccinations
I think all kinds of things are worth reading and thinking about. But this isn't presented as something to read and think about. It is presented as the literal truth and has several factual errors in it. I think it is really important to think critically about *anything* you read on the internet. I go by the AAFP vaccination protocol, except that I vaccinate all my cats against FELV, except the immune compromised ones. That means rabies every 3 years (the law in this state), FVRCP every 3 years, and FELV yearly. The AAFP vaccination protocol is published every 2 years, so anohter will be out next year. http://www.aafponline.org/resources/guidelines/2006_Vaccination_Guidelines_JAVMA.pdf On 8/7/07, Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kelly I forwarded this from a Scottie list that is moderated by a DVM. > According to Jean Dodds, it has been floating the internet since last > year...for that reason I posted her "Rabies Challenge" and an 04 letter > written and signed by a UK veterinarian group which I think is worth > reading and thinking about. > > I know that the vaccine issue is charged and controversial. I think > we owe it to our animals to be as aware and informed of the latest > accurate > research. We're dealing with 'new' science and highly charged economics > and politics. > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: > > > I believe this to be an email hoax. > > > > The first sign is "this information was released today" - when is > > "today"? This is common among email hoaxes. > > > > The second sign is that they refer to "vaccine related Fibrosarcoma." > > This is no longer the correct medical terminology. It is "injection > > site sarcoma". If this is put out by a veterinary authority, surely > > they would use the correct terminology. > > > > I'm sure I could find more stuff wrong with it, but I don't have time > > to dig through it. > > > > AAFP puts out a vaccination protocol which is the one I and my vet > > use. > > > > > > On 8/7/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> A good information, Jane, I will cross post it. > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: Jane Lyons > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:56 PM > >> Subject: NEW vaccination protocols announced today > >> > >> > >>> > >> This information was released today. Because yearly vaccinations are > >> the primary source of income for many > >> veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical companies have > >> lobbied against this protocol, this has > >> been a long time coming. This version is a compromise, but > >> nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and > >> of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged. > >> There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do not vaccinate for > >> Feline Leukemia because of ineffective > >> results and sometimes lethal consequences. > >> Jane > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 > >>> North > >>> American veterinary schools. I highly recommend that you read > >>> this. Copy and save it to your files. Print it and pass it out at > >>> dog fairs, cat shows, kennel club meetings, dog parks, give a copy > >>> to your veterinarian and groomer, etc. > >>> > >>> Get the word out. > >>> > >>> VACCINATION NEWS FLASH > >>> > >>> I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in > >>> North America are in the process of changing their protocols for > >>> vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an > >>> ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. > >>> > >>> Some organizations have come up with a political compromise > >>> suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear > >>> loss > >>> of income vs. those concerned about potential side > >>> effects. Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being > >>> should not be a factor in medical decision. > >>> > >>> NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY > >>> "Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a > >>> modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it > >>> produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: > >>> canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine > >>> is given a year later, the antibodies from the first > >>> vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine, and there is > >>> little or no effect. The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory > >>> cells induced." Not only are annual boosters for parvo and > >>> distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of > >>> allergic reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. > >>> "There is > >>> no scientific documentation to back up label claims for > >>> annual administration of MLV vaccines." Puppies receive > >>> antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural protection can > >>> last 8-14 weeks. > >>>
Re: To Melissa: RE: vaccinations
I think you can have titers run on the little one when she is older to see what her immunity level is.I believe they are relatively expensive compared to vaccinations but even rabies titers are accepted in many states including Ky which is not a pet friendly state. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: To Melissa: RE: vaccinations Melissa, I think you are right in keeping your young kitty away from any FeLV + kitties. They have not fully developed their immune systems yet. A lot of us here do not vaccinate our indoor only cats. I don't. I've seen some scary vaccination reactions on this site and another I belong to, including cancer at the vaccination site and reactions leading to downward spirals ending in death. It's really scary, so I feel my kitties are safer w/o vaccinations. If one does vaccinate, they should do it in a place that can be removed if cancer develops, like the back legs. Avoid the neck area. :) Wendy rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is > probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I > just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she > would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV > because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have > any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able > to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot > of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for > several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the > future. > > > > But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than > I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. > > > > Melissa > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > catatonya > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? > > > > > > I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on > Lake Buckhorn. > > > > > > I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and > negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have > done this over 10 years with no problems. > > > > > > I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except > 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. > > > > > > tonya > > Laura Mostello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > Jane suggested that I ask the list for food > recommendations for Duncan. What would you all > suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like > lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily > available at health food stores, but I'd like to know > about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now > Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep > it that way. > He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! > All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. > Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is > probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it > anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily > tr
To Melissa: RE: vaccinations
Melissa, I think you are right in keeping your young kitty away from any FeLV + kitties. They have not fully developed their immune systems yet. A lot of us here do not vaccinate our indoor only cats. I don't. I've seen some scary vaccination reactions on this site and another I belong to, including cancer at the vaccination site and reactions leading to downward spirals ending in death. It's really scary, so I feel my kitties are safer w/o vaccinations. If one does vaccinate, they should do it in a place that can be removed if cancer develops, like the back legs. Avoid the neck area. :) Wendy > rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats > coming and going all the > time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk > involved. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Kelley Saveika > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? > > I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is > so low as to be > inconsequential. I think it is really important > that all cats be > vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my > vet agrees, so > that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to > our cost. > > It is a personal decision though, like everything > else. I'm certainly > not trying to tell other folks what to do. > > I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination > guidelines recommend going > to once every 3 years against distemper... > > On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree that the majority of the people here mix, > but I never would. This > is > > probably because I'm a newbie to this and a > doubting-Thomas of sorts, but > I > > just can't bring myself to expose my youngest > (less than one year) since > she > > would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to > vaccinate her against > FeLV > > because of the risk associated with vaccination > and sarcomas. I don't have > > any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in > one room until I was able > > to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the > poor guy, but I spent a > lot > > of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd > set up an area for > > several FeLV cats so they could have > companionship. That's my plan for the > > future. > > > > > > > > But, I'll have to say that most people here know a > lot more about this > than > > I do-but that's just my own personal choice so > far. > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > > catatonya > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? > > > > > > > > > > > > I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, > but we have a place on > > Lake Buckhorn. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say the majority of the people on this > list mix their positive and > > negative cats as long as they are adults and have > been vaccinated. I have > > done this over 10 years with no problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD > anything special except > > 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) > Royal Canin. > > > > > > > > > > > > tonya > > > > Laura Mostello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > Jane suggested that I ask the list for food > > recommendations for Duncan. What would you all > > suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like > > lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily > > available at health food stores, but I'd like to > know > > about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now > > Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to > keep > > it that way. > > He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 > others! > > All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. > > Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This > is > > probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it > > anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily > > transmitted through saliva, and that very casual > > contact between cats is probably not enough to > cause > > infection. Are there other modes of transmission > that > > I should worry about? If he's walking around in > the > > tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm > bringing > > the virus into other areas of my house on my > shoes? > > I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent > > cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to > > nitpick quite so much. > > Oh, Tonya, I live in Villa Rica, in Carroll > county. > > Where are you located? > > Laura > > > > > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! > > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 > > Please help Caroline! > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline > > I GoodSearch for Rescuties. > > Raise money for your favorite charity or school ju
