Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-26 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le lauantaina 23. syyskuuta 2023, 9.49.47 EEST Neal Gompa a écrit : > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:33 PM Michael Niedermayer > > wrote: > > > What does this mean? Does this mean an FFmpeg release containing code > > > that > > > interfaces with your SDR library? Or does it mean the library fully >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-26 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le torstaina 21. syyskuuta 2023, 21.56.52 EEST Michael Niedermayer a écrit : > Hi > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 05:33:54PM +0100, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 5:21 PM Michael Niedermayer > > > > wrote: > > > OTOH If a majority of people are against the SDR

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-26 Thread Nicolas George
Paul B Mahol (12023-09-21): > If this SDR troll code ever get committed in FFmpeg libraries I will > immediately leave project. That would be sad for the project. But I am sorry, I sincerely believe that if you were to follow through with it, it would be a price worth paying to have Michael

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-25 Thread Kieran Kunhya
On Sun, 24 Sept 2023, 18:34 Paul B Mahol, wrote: > On 9/24/23, Nicolas George wrote: > > Paul B Mahol (12023-09-24): > >> libavdevice is abusing libavformat. > >> > >> It should have own API or be removed. > > > > libavdevice works. > > Define 'works'. > > It is clearly sub-optimal. > Why

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-24 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 9/24/23, Nicolas George wrote: > Paul B Mahol (12023-09-24): >> libavdevice is abusing libavformat. >> >> It should have own API or be removed. > > libavdevice works. Define 'works'. It is clearly sub-optimal. ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-24 Thread Nicolas George
Paul B Mahol (12023-09-24): > libavdevice is abusing libavformat. > > It should have own API or be removed. libavdevice works. -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-24 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 11:12 AM Nicolas George wrote: > Neal Gompa (12023-09-23): > > If it's just taking SDR devices as inputs and allowing you to encode > > audio and video streams, I'm not sure why you *wouldn't* have this as > > something in libavdevice or extended from it as a separate

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-24 Thread Nicolas George
Neal Gompa (12023-09-23): > If it's just taking SDR devices as inputs and allowing you to encode > audio and video streams, I'm not sure why you *wouldn't* have this as > something in libavdevice or extended from it as a separate library. The people who oppose Michael's SDR also have been trying

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 6:55 AM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 02:49:47AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:33 PM Michael Niedermayer > > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 03:55:57PM +0200, Gijs Peskens wrote: > > > > > > > > On 21-09-2023

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-23 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 02:49:47AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:33 PM Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 03:55:57PM +0200, Gijs Peskens wrote: > > > > > > On 21-09-2023 18:21, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > As the 6.1

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 12:33 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 03:55:57PM +0200, Gijs Peskens wrote: > > > > On 21-09-2023 18:21, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > > > As the 6.1 release is upcoming and as it was previously stated by me that > > > sdr > > >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-22 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 03:55:57PM +0200, Gijs Peskens wrote: > > On 21-09-2023 18:21, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > Hi all > > > > As the 6.1 release is upcoming and as it was previously stated by me that > > sdr > > will be part of 6.1. Heres some update of what i intend to do about that. >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-22 Thread Gijs Peskens
On 21-09-2023 18:21, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Hi all As the 6.1 release is upcoming and as it was previously stated by me that sdr will be part of 6.1. Heres some update of what i intend to do about that. People previously agreed to including a SDR input device in libavdevice with SDR in a

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 9:37 PM Nicolas George wrote: > Vittorio Giovara (12023-09-21): > > So this is an example of accusatory tone - discrediting the previous > author > > in order to make your arguments have more weight. It's a bad move and > > easily spottable, you should argue with better

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Nicolas George
Vittorio Giovara (12023-09-21): > So this is an example of accusatory tone - discrediting the previous author > in order to make your arguments have more weight. It's a bad move and > easily spottable, you should argue with better elements at your disposal, > not by claiming that I don't package

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 3:05 PM Nicolas George wrote: > Vittorio Giovara (12023-09-21): > > What about other developers' time for maintenance? > > Yes, what about it? > > How much time did YOU spend maintaining libavfilter or libavdevice? > Zero. > > How much time will you spend maintaining SDR?

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 9:05 PM Nicolas George wrote: > Vittorio Giovara (12023-09-21): > > What about other developers' time for maintenance? > > Yes, what about it? > > How much time did YOU spend maintaining libavfilter or libavdevice? > Zero. > > How much time will you spend maintaining SDR?

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Nicolas George
Vittorio Giovara (12023-09-21): > What about other developers' time for maintenance? Yes, what about it? How much time did YOU spend maintaining libavfilter or libavdevice? Zero. How much time will you spend maintaining SDR? Zero. What does it change for you and everybody who thinks like you?

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 05:33:54PM +0100, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 5:21 PM Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > OTOH If a majority of people are against the SDR code at the time of > > branching 6.1. Then i will make a separate release identical to 6.1 with

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 2:51 PM Nicolas George wrote: > Vittorio Giovara (12023-09-21): > > Good, if it's so isolated it can be moved to a separate library and we're > > arguing over nothing. > > Wasting Michael's time for the maintenance and users' time for > installing it in the process. That

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Nicolas George
Vittorio Giovara (12023-09-21): > Good, if it's so isolated it can be moved to a separate library and we're > arguing over nothing. Wasting Michael's time for the maintenance and users' time for installing it in the process. That is a completely stupid idea. > Will you stop with this accusatory

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 2:19 PM Nicolas George wrote: > Vittorio Giovara (12023-09-21): > > Because it adds maintenance burden and it's out of scope with the proejct > > The feature is isolated, so that is a lie. > Good, if it's so isolated it can be moved to a separate library and we're

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Nicolas George
Vittorio Giovara (12023-09-21): > Because it adds maintenance burden and it's out of scope with the proejct The feature is isolated, so that is a lie. > No thanks, feature creep is a bad mojo. “Creep” is your opinion, the opinion of somebody who we never see on users mailing lists by the way.

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 1:16 PM Nicolas George wrote: > Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel (12023-09-21): > > How on earth is it acceptable that you can publish your hobby project > > under the FFmpeg project name? > > How on earth is it acceptable that you continue bikeshedding a feature > that

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Nicolas George
Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel (12023-09-21): > How on earth is it acceptable that you can publish your hobby project > under the FFmpeg project name? How on earth is it acceptable that you continue bikeshedding a feature that some users have been enthusiastically waiting for? > I have been

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 6:21 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > Hi all > > As the 6.1 release is upcoming and as it was previously stated by me that > sdr > will be part of 6.1. Heres some update of what i intend to do about that. > Very bold claim. > > People previously agreed to including a

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 5:21 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > OTOH If a majority of people are against the SDR code at the time of > branching 6.1. Then i will make a separate release identical to 6.1 with > the SDR code and of course also provide security support How on earth is it acceptable

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] FFmpeg release 6.1 (SDR Plans)

2023-09-21 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi all As the 6.1 release is upcoming and as it was previously stated by me that sdr will be part of 6.1. Heres some update of what i intend to do about that. People previously agreed to including a SDR input device in libavdevice with SDR in a seperate library. If the community and the SDR