Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Daniel Wolf
shirling neueweise wrote: hi all, i am submitting a proposal to CODA, It's a nice list, but I think that getting compact and reliable PS, EPS, and PDF output would be sufficient for one year's upgrade. If this is supposed to be a tool for publishing, it has got to be able to output in the

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
The other thing is that I am not convinced that merging the text and the expression tools is such a good idea. Instead I would prefer to have some better options for placing text blocks and for handling them in part extraction. My main requests are: 1) Allow measure attached text blocks to be

Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park

2005-02-23 Thread Christopher Smith
Hmm, not around here. Generally girls still in high school and younger are mademoiselle, along with any woman you are hitting on, otherwise they are all madame. But your point stands. Christopher On Feb 22, 2005, at 7:59 PM, HERMAN GERSTEN wrote: I was just being polite, Christopher. That's

Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park

2005-02-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 22, 2005, at 11:24 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I see no one in this discussion making any attempt whatsoever to dissuade you or Crystal or anyone else from their personal esthetic reactions to art -- all the disputation has been entirely on non- esthetic issues. And some of the non-esthetic

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Jef I too, have changes I'd like to see with the text tool, and some of them are consistent with some of what you propose, but before I comment further, perhaps you could please address the issue of what benefits you see arising from your proposal to merging what is currently the list of the

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 23, 2005, at 1:41 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: GENERAL * Text can be assigned to an individual note or measure (as with the old Expression Tool) or to a page or range of pages (as with the old Text Tool). * Once assigned, default positioning of the individual Text can be altered or

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 05:31 AM 2/23/05 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: you could please address the issue of what benefits you see arising from your proposal to merging what is currently the list of the text subset of the expression tool, with the list of the text tool. I think merging all the text-like types is

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 01:41 AM 02/23/2005, shirling neueweise wrote: * The height of the individual item lines in the Text List has been increased by 25-50% (previously, any Text above 14pt fixed and many music symbols - usually 24pt - were only partially visible). The user can define the size of the lines in the

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 06:31 AM 02/23/2005, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: 5) the inability to group expressions into collections, so that in my expression list, I could define a group, dynamics, place all the dynamics related expressions into that, and collapse the group when I wanted to view only the tempo related text

Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park

2005-02-23 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:29 AM 2/23/05 -0500, Christopher Smith wrote: Or for that matter, I could even be Crystal. Man, is my wife going to be upset. Or not. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

[Finale] OT: Cracker gates

2005-02-23 Thread John Ranck
Could someone please give me the URL to the cracker gates that was in yesterday's digest. Many thanks. JR John Ranck [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 05:31 AM 2/23/05 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: you could please address the issue of what benefits you see arising from your proposal to merging what is currently the list of the text subset of the expression tool, with the list of the text tool. I think

Re: [Finale] how to get the best possible sound output

2005-02-23 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Godofredo Romero / 05.2.22 / 06:41 PM wrote: I have being able to deliver are piano parts and solo instruments but no matter what I do when I try to do the same with the full score I simply cant' get it done, it sounds like garbage cans rattled by alley cats. Do you mean you get distortion?

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 04:16 PM 2/23/05 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: One can certainly have different tools that operate on the same object, and different objects acted on by the same tool. But just because the objects are acted on by the same tool, even if they happened to look the same, doesn't autmatically

[Finale] Question About Staff Order

2005-02-23 Thread Jacki Barineau
Hi - I'm notating a song that has a vocal staff and an alto recorder staff. Is there a rule about which staff should be the top one in each system? The recorder begins the song, then the vocals take over, then the recorder re-enters in the middle of the song... Thanks! Jacki

Re: [Finale] how to get the best possible sound output

2005-02-23 Thread Godofredo Romero
The output I dream about has to be as realistic and professional as possible. I get disapointed because the sound I get - which is what Finale is giving me- is poor. Do you mean that I have to transfer my Finale files onto a sequencer program and twiddle them there? Which sequencers do you

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 04:16 PM 2/23/05 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Jef did not originally, and you do not in your supporting post, address the issue of merging the lists that Jef seems to propose. I'm just being supplementary. But think of a Palm and how it organizes addresses by categories. It's a droplist of

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: I don't think I'm being clear. These all all interchangeable texts, with aspects of function assigned. They are only different in Finale because the program started out making them different. They were once all engraved with the same tools, and software separated them

[Finale] Notation for Recorder

2005-02-23 Thread Jacki Barineau
Hi, Everyone - I have another question about notating for alto recorder! Does anyone know how you notate those slides they do - like when they hit a low note and kind of float up to a higher note? Or when they hit a note and kind of droop down to the next note. Don't know if I'm explaining this

Re: [Finale] Notation for Recorder

2005-02-23 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
In a message dated 23/02/2005 23:10:02 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know how you notate those "slides" they do - like when they hita low note and kind of "float" up to a higher note? When I've come across this type of thing it hasn't been notated, it's

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:07:32 -0500, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:16 PM 2/23/05 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Jef did not originally, and you do not in your supporting post, address the issue of merging the lists that Jef seems to propose. I'm just being supplementary.

Re: [Finale] how to get the best possible sound output

2005-02-23 Thread Darcy James Argue
Godofredo, Start with Garritan and a decent set of powered computer speakers or studio monitors. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Feb 2005, at 6:12 PM, Godofredo Romero wrote: The output I dream about has to be as realistic and professional as possible. I get disapointed

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
At 07:41 23.02.2005, you wrote: Because of overlapping functionality, the previous expression tool and text tool have been combined into one powerful text tool which offers all the previous features of both tools, albeit with some revolutionary improvements. I would NOT mingle the two tools

Re: [Finale] how to get the best possible sound output

2005-02-23 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Godofredo Romero / 05.2.23 / 06:12 PM wrote: The output I dream about has to be as realistic and professional as possible. I get disapointed because the sound I get - which is what Finale is giving me- is poor. Do you mean that I have to transfer my Finale files onto a sequencer program and

[Finale] Condensed Lyric Font

2005-02-23 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi all, Does anyone know of a decent, free, *condensed* Times lookalike font that would be suitable for lyrics? I know I can buy Times Condensed, but perhaps there's a good freeware alternative? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Feb 2005 at 0:10, Johannes Gebauer wrote: There is no reason why I would want my title text blocks appear in the expression list, it would only convolut it more. OK, I know that you have ideas on how to get more organization into these lists. I have been thinking about this several

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Feb 2005 at 15:30, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:07:32 -0500, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:16 PM 2/23/05 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Jef did not originally, and you do not in your supporting post, address the issue of merging the lists that

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread shirling neueweise
daniel, dennis, certainly you are free to submit a request of your own. i don't expect everyone to agree entirely with me, but if we waited for us all to agree, nothing would ever get submitted to the developers, let alone fixed. i'm also not of the opinion that any recent upgrade has been

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread shirling neueweise
From: Christopher Smith GENERAL * Once assigned, default positioning of the individual Text can be altered or overridden Did you have an idea about how the interface would work in this case? perhaps control-click the Text and select the type of attachment in the contextual menu? if

[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread shirling neueweise
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz Characters are characters, individually or combined. Folding together the text, expression, articulation, chord, lyric, clef, and time signature tools into a multifunction toolbar with a consistent interface seems ideal to me. yes but text is not articulation, just as

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:10 AM 2/24/05 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am not against this, but I fail to see how I would benefit? There is no reason why I would want my title text blocks appear in the expression list, it would only convolut it more. OK, I know that you have ideas on how to get more organization

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Responding my to my comment, in part: One can certainly have different tools that operate on the same object, and different objects acted on by the same tool. But just because the objects are acted on by the same tool, even if they happened to look the same, doesn't autmatically and

Re: [Finale] new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 11:54 PM 2/23/05 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: I don't think they are interchangeable texts at all, because they have different funnctions in the music. For one thing, text expressions have a specific impact upon way the music itself is to be realized, for example, how loud, or how fast.

Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool

2005-02-23 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Responding to part of what I wrote Personally, I just don't see enough benefit to such a merger to justify this proposed combination. Jef rejoined there is overlapping (and inconsistent) functionality, and important weaknesses in both tools. combining the tool would certainly not hinder your