Re: [Finale] Another Jazz Chord Question!

2006-06-24 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Jacki Barineau / 2006/06/24 / 09:54 PM wrote: >Thanks, Everyone, for the responses! I'm learning a lot here! Okay, >so which would be better to use - the compound G"over"F or the >F6/9#11 - I mean which would a musician understand better, and which >would be the music theory "correct" way

[Finale] Hornblower. OT

2006-06-24 Thread keith helgesen
I wish to get in touch with John Keane, the man credited with the music to TV series Hornblower.   That’s the British Naval TV saga set in Napoleonic times, based on the C.S.Forester novels about Horatio Hornblower. It’s currently on Foxtel pay TV here in OZ.   Great music, but I can f

Re: [Finale] Additional questions on "Kate"

2006-06-24 Thread Carl Dershem
Christopher Smith wrote: On Jun 24, 2006, at 11:24 PM, John Howell wrote: More Modern (no problem) Raucous Burlesque (written so we seem to be getting it) New Orleans-Slow & Bluesy (no problem) Boogie Woogie (no problem) The Slither (??) That's a square dance move.

Re: [Finale] Additional questions on "Kate"

2006-06-24 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jun 24, 2006, at 11:24 PM, John Howell wrote: In the 1999 revision of "Kiss Me, Kate," there are some indications that appear to be style indications, but some of them are unfortunately over my head. If you can help me define any of these styles, I can pass the answers on to our conductor

Re: [Finale] Additional questions on "Kate"

2006-06-24 Thread Darcy James Argue
Standard B'way practice, at least for long(-ish) slurs. Slurs of 2-4 notes are usually still note-side, but someone may have decided it's worth putting them all above, for the sake of consistency. It would be nice if Finale supported this automatically. It wouldn't be too hard -- Finale cou

[Finale] Additional questions on "Kate"

2006-06-24 Thread John Howell
In the 1999 revision of "Kiss Me, Kate," there are some indications that appear to be style indications, but some of them are unfortunately over my head. If you can help me define any of these styles, I can pass the answers on to our conductor. In "Wunderbar": "a la Luchow's" (?) In "Too Da

Re: [Finale] Trombones

2006-06-24 Thread Don Hart
Hi David, I'm not sure what the specific situations are that limit your expectations, but in a professional setting I expect the nomenclature to be adhered to, or that someone will notify me of a needed change. When I write for bass trbn I have a fairly particular sound in mind: that resonant, fa

Re: [Finale] Another Jazz Chord Question!

2006-06-24 Thread Darcy James Argue
Jackie, Both are correct. What you write depends on the context: is this chord symbol just a label above a fully written-out piano part, or is it above slash marks? If the specific triadic G-over-F voicing is crucial, and it's above slash marks, G-over-F is your best bet. If the precise a

Re: [Finale] Another Jazz Chord Question!

2006-06-24 Thread Jacki Barineau
On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Right -- "F6/9#11)" is the most concise non-compound chord notation. Thanks, Everyone, for the responses! I'm learning a lot here! Okay, so which would be better to use - the compound G"over"F or the F6/9#11 - I mean which would a mu

Re: [Finale] Tremolos

2006-06-24 Thread Carl Dershem
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 05:46 PM 6/24/06 -0700, Carl Dershem wrote: And there's always the possibility that because of the current shrinking of the world through technology, that it will take a while for everyone to catch up to the status quo. AT present, a lot of people in "third-wo

Re: [Finale] Tremolos

2006-06-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 05:46 PM 6/24/06 -0700, Carl Dershem wrote: >And there's always the possibility that because of the current shrinking >of the world through technology, that it will take a while for everyone >to catch up to the status quo. AT present, a lot of people in >"third-world" countries are catching

Re: [Finale] Another Jazz Chord Question!

2006-06-24 Thread Darcy James Argue
Right -- "F6/9#11)" is the most concise non-compound chord notation. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 24 Jun 2006, at 8:07 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Or F6/9(#11) is another pretty common symbol for that chord. Definitely not F13(#11), as i

Re: [Finale] Tremolos

2006-06-24 Thread Carl Dershem
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 06:23 PM 6/24/06 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: Conversely, notation does not show advances during periods of compositional conservatism like the rather extreme one we're experiencing, and the coincidence of notation software and compositional conservatism magnify

Re: [Finale] Tremolos

2006-06-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:23 PM 6/24/06 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: >I'm missig your point here, as Andrew was talking about *notational* >innovation. I don't know of any particular notational innovation most >of your examples. >I believe Andrew was talking about the big breaks in notation where >new kinds of mus

Re: [Finale] Another Jazz Chord Question!

2006-06-24 Thread Christopher Smith
Or F6/9(#11) is another pretty common symbol for that chord. Definitely not F13(#11), as it is missing the essential Eb. Christopher On Jun 24, 2006, at 5:51 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's functionally a FMA13(#11), with the major seventh omitted from the voicing. You didn't say what key

Re: [Finale] Suddenly, Mass Edit is mostly inop

2006-06-24 Thread Dan Carno
Hi Ken, Well..we've all done this. At least TGTools coughs politely and asks if you intend to process the whole document. Finale just sits there and lets you feel foolish! Best, Dan At 07:08 PM 6/24/2006, you wrote: Boy, am I losing my grip!!!? Amazing how well stuff works whe

Re: [Finale] Suddenly, Mass Edit is mostly inop

2006-06-24 Thread D. Keneth Fowler
Hi Dan, Boy, am I losing my grip!!!? Amazing how well stuff works when you select the passage to which it will be applied. Thank you very , very much. Once again, the list to the rescue. Ken At 06:22 PM 6/24/2006 -0400, you wrote: Hi Ken, Do actually have a passage selected when you do this? Dan A

Re: [Finale] Dotted slurs...

2006-06-24 Thread Éric Dussault
Le 06-06-24 à 17:46, Kim Patrick Clow a écrit : Is there a way to increase the hashing/dotted effect to make it more noticeable? With the smart shape tool you can not increase it on a case by case basis. It is a global setting in the smart shape options. Specifically Dash length and spac

Re: [Finale] Another Jazz Chord Question!

2006-06-24 Thread Bob Florence
F13#11 Jerry In an F13#11, would you net an E flat in the chord. The chord in question is an G triad over an F triad. Bob Florence On 24-Jun-06, at 5:37 PM, Jacki Barineau wrote: Hi, Everyone! Okay - I've got another jazz chord I'm trying to figure out. It's basically a G chord in

Re: [Finale] Tremolos

2006-06-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Jun 2006 at 16:26, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > At 12:40 PM 6/24/06 -0400, Andrew Stiller wrote: > >I don't think this "cycling back out" is likely any time soon. > >Historically, the norm for notation is a very gradual evolution based > > on changing understanding of what notations mean.

Re: [Finale] Suddenly, Mass Edit is mostly inop

2006-06-24 Thread Dan Carno
Hi Ken, Do actually have a passage selected when you do this? Dan At 06:00 PM 6/24/2006, you wrote: To the wisdom of the list, again, I just discovered that when I click Mass Edit in the tool bar many of its functions are grayed out. Among the dead is Music Spacing. When I open the drop do

RE: [Finale] 20th century notations (was Tremolos)

2006-06-24 Thread Owain Sutton
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Howell > Sent: 24 June 2006 23:03 > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] 20th century notations (was Tremolos) > > > At 4:12 PM -0400 6/24/06, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > >At 02:14 PM

Re: [Finale] Another Jazz Chord Question!

2006-06-24 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 24 Jun 2006, at 5:51 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's functionally a FMA13(#11), with the major seventh omitted from the voicing. You didn't say what key the piece is in, but it's probably a I or IV chord. Ooops... I notice you *did* say the piece was in either G maj. or E min. So it'

Re: [Finale] 20th century notations (was Tremolos)

2006-06-24 Thread John Howell
At 4:12 PM -0400 6/24/06, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 02:14 PM 6/24/06 -0400, John Howell wrote: And let's not forget that the development of non-traditional notations in the 20th century was driven by one and only one non-musical requirement: music could not be copyrighted unless it could b

[Finale] Suddenly, Mass Edit is mostly inop

2006-06-24 Thread D. Keneth Fowler
To the wisdom of the list, again, I just discovered that when I click Mass Edit in the tool bar many of its functions are grayed out. Among the dead is Music Spacing. When I open the drop down menu Music Spacing looks normal, but the three options to the right of the arrows heads are grayed o

Re: [Finale] Another Jazz Chord Question!

2006-06-24 Thread Darcy James Argue
No, Jerry. There's no Eb, so there's no way it can function as a dominant 13th chord. Plus, it resolves right into a straight FMA7, meaning the extensions (9, #11, 13) are just decorating the FMA7 sonority. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On

Re: [Finale] Another Jazz Chord Question!

2006-06-24 Thread Darcy James Argue
It's functionally a FMA13(#11), with the major seventh omitted from the voicing. You didn't say what key the piece is in, but it's probably a I or IV chord. The clearest nomenclature is a compound chord: G — F (Make sure you have "under root" selected in Finale.) You could also write "FMA1

Re: [Finale] Another Jazz Chord Question!

2006-06-24 Thread Gerald Berg
F13#11 Jerry On 24-Jun-06, at 5:37 PM, Jacki Barineau wrote: Hi, Everyone! Okay - I've got another jazz chord I'm trying to figure out. It's basically a G chord in the treble (G-B-D) with an F chord in the bass (F-A-C). Is this some sort of F13#4? Or what would you call this?! It defi

[Finale] Dotted slurs...

2006-06-24 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
I am trying to create editorial slurs (editioral meaning that I'm adding slurs that aren't in the manuscript). I'm using the dotted/hashed item in the smart tools box, but since the distance between the two notes is rather small, the dotted effect is not very obvious. Is there a way to increase th

[Finale] Another Jazz Chord Question!

2006-06-24 Thread Jacki Barineau
Hi, Everyone! Okay - I've got another jazz chord I'm trying to figure out. It's basically a G chord in the treble (G-B-D) with an F chord in the bass (F-A-C). Is this some sort of F13#4? Or what would you call this?! It definitely has the "F" flavor to it. It is in the key of G (Em)

Re: [Finale] Tremolos

2006-06-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:40 PM 6/24/06 -0400, Andrew Stiller wrote: >I don't think this "cycling back out" is likely any time soon. >Historically, the norm for notation is a very gradual evolution based >on changing understanding of what notations mean. Periods of frank >experimentation come along only about once

Re: [Finale] Tremolos

2006-06-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 02:14 PM 6/24/06 -0400, John Howell wrote: >And let's not forget that the development of non-traditional >notations in the 20th century was driven by one and only one >non-musical requirement: music could not be copyrighted unless it >could be represented on paper. Since it WAS necessary, c

Re: [Finale] Tremolos

2006-06-24 Thread John Howell
At 12:40 PM -0400 6/24/06, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jun 23, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: "Once we cycle back out of these conservative artistic times and experiment once becomes part of the composer's attitude, the software situation (and codification dilemma) may improve -- or

Re: [Finale] Tremolos

2006-06-24 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jun 23, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: "Once we cycle back out of these conservative artistic times and experiment once becomes part of the composer's attitude, the software situation (and codification dilemma) may improve -- or, as I suggested above, it may result in furthe

Re: [Finale] Pizzicato (Finale 2002)

2006-06-24 Thread Darcy James Argue
As of Finale 2006, separate "arco" expressions for each instrument are not necessary -- HP automatically triggers the correct GM patch or (when using GPO) keyswitch. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 24 Jun 2006, at 9:32 AM, Ken Moore

RE: [Finale] Pizzicato (Finale 2002)

2006-06-24 Thread Ken Moore
"Lee Actor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > Define pizz. and arco expressions with playback parameters that > execute a program change to the appropriate patch. For my MIDI setup > I have one of each expression defined for each string section; if > you're using the GM string patch you would only need

Re: [Finale] Trombones

2006-06-24 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: On Jun 23, 2006, at 5:16 PM, John Howell wrote: At 4:42 PM -0400 6/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/06 3:27:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. The only modern contrabass trombone I've EVER heard of is in BB-flat, though some today add an F tr