On Oct 14, 2006, at 4:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
One of my main arguments is that Score's design and UI means that it
can never be widely used by anyone but the most dedicated engravers
and computer users.
I wonder if that doesn't explain a great deal of Score's observed
superior output
On Oct 14, 2006, at 4:42 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
Some things Finale doesn't do well in spacing: when there is a large
interval, or when the stems change direction, Finale spaces the two
notes exactly the same as if there was a small interval or no stem
direction change. I never realised
Randolph Peters wrote:
Can anyone confirm if this is a bug?
In Finale 2007 (Mac) we can no longer make macros for smart shapes.
There are some predefined ones, but the user manual says we can make our
own. (NOT!)
I don't remember ever being able to make macros for SmartShapes. (WinFin)
It's an unbelievable time-saver, especially in some music, like with
piano pedalling, or smart shape intensive scores.
Le 06-10-15 à 08:12, dhbailey a écrit :
I don't remember ever being able to make macros for SmartShapes.
(WinFin)
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I am happy to see that some people on the list would like the spacing
of Finale improved. It's not a matter of comparing Finale to Score,
but to make Finale do the job better.
I, Ansgar Krause and Dejan Badnjar have just sent a request (in the
form of a pdf explaining with examples what we
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 14 Oct 2006 at 6:13, dhbailey wrote:
[snip]
As more layers of management get added at the top, local control gets
lost. As overall corporate focus shifts, development dollars get
moved from one department to another. Look at Finale and Smartmusic
Wasn't SmartMusic
At 11:44 PM 10/14/06 +0200, shirling neueweise wrote:
uh... warning, fill your coffee mug to the brim.
Just a public thank-you for that detailed commentary.
I wonder if you have ever tried Graphire Music Press, which seems to
produce gorgeous output. I used it, but could never make an effective
On Oct 14, 2006, at 5:44 PM, shirling neueweise wrote:
From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also the way spacing changes when there are accidentals - Finale
doesn't do TOO
badly,
uh... sorry. can you repeat that!?
Heh, heh! I suppose I am revealing my deficiencies in my eye
On 15.10.2006 David W. Fenton wrote:
Mac
users wouldn't be able to use it all, of course.
Not under MacOS. Small but important distinction.
Johannes
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I'd just like to draw the attention once again to a bug in Finale's
spacing, and a partial work-around: When spacing is tight, and
especially when there are accidentals in tuplet passages, Finale
sometimes does a really bad job on the spacing, where accidentals seem
to be partly ignored for
On Oct 14, 2006, at 7:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
text on an angle is a joke in score and will
always remain exactly as you position it.
That makes no sense to me given Score's ability to do independent
staves/notation on a single page.
If jef will allow me to step in here...
I think
On 15.10.2006 dhbailey wrote:
I don't remember ever being able to make macros for SmartShapes. (WinFin)
I believe we are talking about metatools, not macros.
Johannes
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At 09:24 AM 10/15/06 -0400, Christopher Smith wrote:
This point has bigger repercussions, IMHO. One of the things that
bothers me about Finale (and if this bothers me, it must INFURIATE
engravers like jef!) is that everything in Finale does NOT stay where
you put it!
Speaking as one who
Eric,
I don't know if the kinds of things you need are in Bill Duncan's
custom smart shapes. I use only a few of them, but it might be worth
a look, if you use these things a lot. For instance, there's a
combined ped...* that stretches and shrinks as spacings change.
Chuck
On Oct
I need a flageolet-glissando symbol. The desired symbol seems to be a
stepped line going up and down again. Like a double-set of stairs, up
and down. Is there such a symbol anywhere in the Finale fonts, or in
another font, or what is the best way to create it (I hate the shape
designer, but I
dhbailey wrote:
I don't remember ever being able to make macros for SmartShapes. (WinFin)
I should have used the word metatool instead of
macro. The OLM says the following (pg. 21-3):
To Program a Smart Shape metatool
You can assign a number or letter to any Smart
Shape that exists in
Almost forgot. You can choose a different font size if you need it
coarser or finer.
Christopher
On Oct 15, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Oct 15, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I need a flageolet-glissando symbol. The desired symbol seems to
be a stepped
On Oct 15, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I need a flageolet-glissando symbol. The desired symbol seems to be
a stepped line going up and down again. Like a double-set of
stairs, up and down. Is there such a symbol anywhere in the Finale
fonts, or in another font, or what is
Hi Johannes,
You can use characters 96 (upstairs) and 93 (downstairs) of the Helsinki
Special font to make an articulation that behaves like an arpeggio. I've
just tried it and it works. If you donn't have that font, I can send it
to you off-list.
Barbara
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I need a
At 12:59 PM 10/15/06 -0700, you wrote:
Most germane for this discussion is that MusicXML 1.1 can be used to
export a very highly detailed representation of Finale files. It is so
detailed in terms of formatting that programs like musicRAIN have used
it to render scores that are indistinguishable
On Oct 15, 2006, at 4:21 AM, dc wrote:
Doing mostly vocal music myself, I think this is indeed one aspect of
Finale that could be vastly improved if anyone cared about it...
TGTools already has some helpful plug-ins for lyrics. Perhaps we could
talk Tobias into adding to them.
I also did
Mark,
Thanks for a great overview about lyric spacing. One thing you didn't
mention at all is how the rhythmic value of the note might affect
spacing, particularly if there is a long syllable on a short note
value, like through on a sixteenth. I seem to run into this an
awful lot, and I
(mac)
i can't seem to define time sigs past the 100th measure by using the
dialogue boxes. i can do it using metatool assignment (compound as
well, also when showing different time sig than the underlying beat
groupings)
if i assign a compound time sig and then try to open up the
On 15 Oct 2006 at 0:32, Mark D Lew wrote:
I remember some crowded and complicated systems where
I'd spend a half an hour on just one system, to get it just right.
Loose music, on the other hand, was a breeze and needed few if any
tweaks.
It seems to me that one of the reasons Score is
On 15 Oct 2006 at 8:31, dhbailey wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 14 Oct 2006 at 6:13, dhbailey wrote:
[snip]
As more layers of management get added at the top, local control
gets lost. As overall corporate focus shifts, development dollars
get moved from one department to another.
Le 06-10-15 à 10:20, dc a écrit :
Does this concern music with lyrics, specifically, or general
spacing problems? Finale's spacing of music with lyrics is so bad
that it's more a question a starting from scratch than improving
anything. Tobias is the only one who has something to improve
Christopher, Mark et al,
I don't know how to get this right all the time. I start with left
alignment for chords, but I nudge many to the left, and things are
never really beautiful without more adjustment than I am willing to
devote time to make. I usually settle for a general alignment
shirling neueweise wrote:
(mac)
i can't seem to define time sigs past the 100th measure by using the
dialogue boxes. i can do it using metatool assignment (compound as
well, also when showing different time sig than the underlying beat
groupings)
if i assign a compound time sig and
ah, i think it was because i had overlapping and contradicting
regions which hadn't been adjusted to incorporate the do not show
measure in m.#'s function. euh, bit long to explain why, but i
cleaned up the measure regions box and now it seems fine.
dhbailey at davidbaileymusicstudio.com
At 5:55 PM -0400 10/15/06, Christopher Smith wrote:
Mark,
Thanks for a great overview about lyric spacing. One thing you
didn't mention at all is how the rhythmic value of the note might
affect spacing, particularly if there is a long syllable on a short
note value, like through on a
Attention Mac users, especially those who have the latest system
(10.4.8). Sometimes downloading a plugin like TGTools or JW Systems
shows up on your hard drive as a folder instead of a package. This
makes them unusable as plugins.
Apparently this is some kind of Mac bug that surfaced
On Oct 15, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
Thanks for a great overview about lyric spacing. One thing you didn't
mention at all is how the rhythmic value of the note might affect
spacing, particularly if there is a long syllable on a short note
value, like through on a sixteenth.
On Oct 15, 2006, at 7:05 PM, John Howell wrote:
I'm enjoying this discussion quite a lot, but I feel that I have to
point out something that should be quite obvious. Text will ALWAYS
change notational spacing. ALWAYS!
Of course it will. If it didn't, we wouldn't be having this discussion
I had the same problem after upgrading to 10.4.8 and trying to use
the TGTools and Patterson plug-ins. I wasn't sure what was causing
the problem, so I ran TechTool Pro (definitely not a free program)
and ended up rebuilding the desktop. That did the trick.
I didn't realize that
On 16.10.2006 David W. Fenton wrote:
It would be nice, though, if some professional engraving standards
were somehow built into Finale so that it could tell you if you've
exceeded standard modern engraving density.
I don't think there is such a thing. I have a Henle part here, where one
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