Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-18 Thread Johannes Gebauer
David W. Fenton schrieb: You think those chips were not in development long before Apple made its announcement? You think IBM said Oh no! We've got to come up with a chip! To the labs, boys! and two weeks later announced a finished dual-core processer? No, it was there all along, and

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-18 Thread Stephen Peters
Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They didn't just try to ensure cross-compatibility. According to Steve Jobs in this year's WWDC keynote, there have been fully-compiled and fully-functioning Intel builds of OSX as far back as 10.0. And, in fact, probably before. Before the merger, the

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-18 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On 18/08/05, Stephen Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They didn't just try to ensure cross-compatibility. According to Steve Jobs in this year's WWDC keynote, there have been fully-compiled and fully-functioning Intel builds of OSX as far back as 10.0.

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-18 Thread David W. Fenton
On 18 Aug 2005 at 8:51, Johannes Gebauer wrote: David W. Fenton schrieb: You think those chips were not in development long before Apple made its announcement? You think IBM said Oh no! We've got to come up with a chip! To the labs, boys! and two weeks later announced a finished

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
David, I read it, but I just don't think the author makes a compelling case. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 18 Aug 2005, at 3:55 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 18 Aug 2005 at 8:51, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Did you read the article I cited, or not? If not, then you're

[Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-17 Thread Simon Troup
As some of you may already be aware, some intrepid geeko techs are already trying to figure out how to get OSX to run on an ordinary PC, and some ae now speculating on how cheaply a PC could be built to run OSX: http://www.osx86project.org/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=27Itemid=2

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-17 Thread Phil Daley
At 8/17/2005 08:15 AM, Simon Troup wrote: As some of you may already be aware, some intrepid geeko techs are already trying to figure out how to get OSX to run on an ordinary PC, and some ae now speculating on how cheaply a PC could be built to run OSX: I read yesterday that it had already been

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-17 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On 17/08/05, Simon Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As some of you may already be aware, some intrepid geeko techs are already trying to figure out how to get OSX to run on an ordinary PC, and some ae now speculating on how cheaply a PC could be built to run OSX: [link snipped] This looks like

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-17 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Simon Troup / 2005/08/17 / 08:15 AM wrote: I suppose the fact that Apple make the hardware and the OS means that there are stability advantages, but how bad can it be if you built your own system? In my 17 years of my Mac life, I made a fatal mistake by buying PowerTower Pro, a Mac clone. At

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-17 Thread Darcy James Argue
[RE-SENT TO LIST. AGAIN. HENRY, WHERE ARE YOU???] On 17 Aug 2005, at 8:15 AM, Simon Troup wrote: As some of you may already be aware, some intrepid geeko techs are already trying to figure out how to get OSX to run on an ordinary PC, and some ae now speculating on how cheaply a PC could

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-17 Thread David W. Fenton
On 17 Aug 2005 at 13:53, Darcy James Argue wrote: The whole point is that after years of being shackled by Motorola's and IBM's disappointing production, Apple had little choice but to go with x86 processors or continue to be left behind (especially w/r/t portables). I thought that

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-17 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 17 Aug 2005, at 2:31 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 17 Aug 2005 at 13:53, Darcy James Argue wrote: The whole point is that after years of being shackled by Motorola's and IBM's disappointing production, Apple had little choice but to go with x86 processors or continue to be left behind

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-17 Thread David W. Fenton
On 17 Aug 2005 at 15:31, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 17 Aug 2005, at 2:31 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 17 Aug 2005 at 13:53, Darcy James Argue wrote: The whole point is that after years of being shackled by Motorola's and IBM's disappointing production, Apple had little choice but

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-17 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 17 Aug 2005, at 9:19 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Not at all. IBM has denied it, of course, but since both Intel's and IBM's long-term roadmaps are secret, we have no way of knowing if the Apple line about long-term power-per-watt with Intel vs. IBM is correct. Nonetheless, it's certainly

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-17 Thread David W. Fenton
On 17 Aug 2005 at 21:28, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 17 Aug 2005, at 9:19 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Not at all. IBM has denied it, of course, but since both Intel's and IBM's long-term roadmaps are secret, we have no way of knowing if the Apple line about long-term power-per-watt with

Re: [Finale] [TAN] OSx86 for $199

2005-08-17 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On 17/08/05, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking the time to re-architect your flagship OS (however much you've worked all along to try to ensure cross-compatibility), as opposed to waiting a few months for the new IBM chips? They didn't just try to ensure cross-compatibility.