Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-21 Thread David H. Bailey
On 11/20/2013 11:11 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > > There is absolutely no question that there is a body of potential >> customers who would like to use computer notation, but the products have >> such a steep learning curve that they giv

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: There is absolutely no question that there is a body of potential > customers who would like to use computer notation, but the products have > such a steep learning curve that they give up. We all know people like > that. > If they though

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 11/20/2013 9:07 PM, terry cano wrote: > This is my opinion only guys. > I can happily do my projects in F2008 and you can also. Yes, there are some > additions that would be nice but the fact is we are dealing with a system, > music notation, that was created many years ago and hasn't change

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread terry cano
This is my opinion only guys. I can happily do my projects in F2008 and you can also.  Yes, there are some additions that would be nice but the fact is we are dealing with a system, music notation, that was created many years ago and hasn't changed significantly.  Finale, Sibelius and now Steinb

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 11/20/2013 4:36 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: > My first thought when reading about the reorganization at MakeMusic is > that the new owners, being venture capitalists and not software > developers, are looking to reshape the Finale team so they can make it > more marketable to another company s

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 11/20/2013 3:19 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > The likelihood that the Steinberg product will both A) meet its > (unoffiicial mind you) release date target ... > > If they are saying now 18 months, then if it is one of the extremely few > planned software projects lucky enough to actually see the

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Craig Parmerlee
This forum is not a focus group. It seems to me the majority of people here are long-term users who are content with the mode of operation that has existed for over a decade. So I have no interest in a one-sided discussion that will inevitably be a list of reasons why "it can't be done." If

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Good, Michael
Hi all, Regarding MusicXML support in DAWs, Cubase supports MusicXML import and export, while Logic and SONAR support MusicXML export. Please let MOTU know that you want to see MusicXML support added to Digital Performer. It means more coming from customers like you than vendors like us. Regardin

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Lee Actor
lo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of David H. Bailey Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:37 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMus

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread David H. Bailey
On 11/20/2013 4:09 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > I use Digital Performer, and I don't see MusicXML. They do have Final Cut Pro > XML, OMF, AAF, and AudioDesk (which I believe is a scaled down version of DP > they ship with their hardware interfaces). > [snip] My first thought when reading about th

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I use Digital Performer, and I don't see MusicXML. They do have Final Cut Pro XML, OMF, AAF, and AudioDesk (which I believe is a scaled down version of DP they ship with their hardware interfaces). Generally, the midi from Finale is OK, but to really be able to switch back and forth between it

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread SN jef chippewa
does every version have to be "innovative"? hm, innovative means "new" apparently. how much more "new" shit do you think can really be crammed into a mature notation programme today without first vastly improving the frame all this stuff you want needs to carry it? there were some serious

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Robert Patterson
The likelihood that the Steinberg product will both A) meet its (unoffiicial mind you) release date target and B) be the be-all, end-all notation product some are touting it as is highly unlikely. I don't mean to sound like I would be unhappy if it happened, but I've been around this track too many

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Eric Dannewitz
These are great ideas. A lot of people use Digital Performer for scoring as it has fairly good editing of notation and is a full blown DAW. http://www.motu.com/newsitems/marc-mann-on-dp-and-danny-elfman http://www.motu.com/newsitems/and-the-oscar-goes-to-michael-giacchino http://www.motu.com/new

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Eric Dannewitz
On Nov 20, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > On 11/20/2013 11:15 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: >> I think both finale and Sibelius are pretty much the top of what you can do >> with notation. I don't really know what people expect other than little >> refinements to the programs in each ver

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Wed, November 20, 2013 2:39 pm, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Audio editing.not sure if that is a biggie. Finale does have, I think, the > ability to include/record audio. But how many people actually use that? I'm not sure. I certainly do, and have for years. I have scores that include electroni

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Finally, someone with some "specifics" instead of just throwing around the word "innovation". Vector editing would be interesting, especially if you could save those vectors in some sort of library. Audio editing.not sure if that is a biggie. Finale does have, I think, the ability to inclu

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Wed, November 20, 2013 11:15 am, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Again, what do you want? What would be "real innovation"? Making it work > better on Mac os x? Providing more sounds? Define a fileformat for the > future? What? > I think both finale and Sibelius are pretty much the top of what you can do

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 11/20/2013 11:15 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > I think both finale and Sibelius are pretty much the top of what you can do > with notation. I don't really know what people expect other than little > refinements to the programs in each version. Everything about the process of notation can be made

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Eric Dannewitz
On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:55 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: What isn't so clear is what the new direction is. Are they going the way of Avid, essentially shutting it down and milking the cash cow? It doesn't really appear so. If that isn't the idea, then what are they trying to do? Avids shutting d

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Obviously they want to keep their dirty laundry inside the company, which is understandable. It is also understandable that after investing so much to fund that 2.5 year hiatus between products, the owners really couldn't chance shaking things up before the product launch. The fact that they d

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2013-11-20 16:27, Richard Yates wrote: > The link describes major restructuring and a search for people to > fill positions of "software developer; a software QA engineer; and a product > designer." So they got out a new version, with its inevitable bugs, fired > everyone, and are trying to find

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Richard Yates
r granted"? > > > > Is it supposed to be a great relief that Finale is there to give my > > "music a clear path to tomorrow"? > > > > It's laughable. > > > > Richard Yates > > > > > > > -Original Message- > >

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Wow..smart move MakeMusicnot Sent from my iSomething -- On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:35 AM, Nigel Hanley wrote: > Justin Phillips is no longer with MM. He'll be missed. Thanks Justin for the > hands-on help you've given the Finale list over the last few years. > > http://www.sibeliusblog

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Anne Erickson
to:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf > Of > > Nigel Hanley > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:33 AM > > To: finale@shsu.edu > > Subject: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic > > > > Justin Phillips is no longer with MM. He'

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Richard Yates
edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of > Nigel Hanley > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:33 AM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic > > Justin Phillips is no longer with MM. He'll be missed. Thanks J

Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread David H. Bailey
On 11/20/2013 9:33 AM, Nigel Hanley wrote: > Justin Phillips is no longer with MM. He'll be missed. Thanks Justin for the > hands-on help you've given the Finale list over the last few years. > > http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/layoffs-and-reorganization-announced-at-makemusic/ > Thank you for t

[Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

2013-11-20 Thread Nigel Hanley
Justin Phillips is no longer with MM. He'll be missed. Thanks Justin for the hands-on help you've given the Finale list over the last few years. http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/layoffs-and-reorganization-announced-at-makemusic/ Nigel Hanley 0418 977 237 i...@nigelhanley.com nigel.han...@optus