Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Apr 2006 at 14:06, Karen wrote: This is how it all works...it is quite interesting. http://tinyurl.com/fknzx [as an aside, I find it helpful when you're providing a tinyurl citation to also provide the original URL. There are two reasons for this: 1. the actual URL tells the reader

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Apr 2006 at 15:55, Karen wrote: Naw...I understand the concept that was in the linked article that's why I put virtual in parenthesisbut maybe that was a poor way of saying it. By virtual I meant a partition that can be created without having to reformat the whole drive like we

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Apr 2006 at 20:18, Mark D Lew wrote: On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:32 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: This is not going to last long, though. Microsoft recently announced that Windows Vista (the next major release of Windows, the release of which was recently delayed into 2007) will not boot

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Phil Daley
At 4/6/2006 08:20 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: I believe that OS X can read but not write NTFS, and Windows can't do either with OS X's file system. I believe there are utilities for the Mac that can make NTFS volumes read/write, so that would be a requirement to make this work. But my guess is

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:32 AM 4/6/06 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: [...good information...] The biggest issue for me (aside from the political) is hardware. Will the Windows on the Mac use its own drivers to support the additional range of hardware? Add-in cards and other devices that now only have Windows

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 06 Apr 2006, at 8:52 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: The biggest issue for me (aside from the political) is hardware. Will the Windows on the Mac use its own drivers to support the additional range of hardware? Before you install WinXP, Boot Camp burns a CD-ROM of the custom drivers

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 10:38 AM 4/6/06 -0400, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 06 Apr 2006, at 8:52 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Or is this dual-boot a software support system only? No. Excellent. Now we're talkin! Thanks, Darcy! My current hand-built PC is starting to get a little long in the tooth (1.4GHz

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread A-NO-NE Music
David W. Fenton / 2006/04/06 / 08:20 AM wrote: as Partition Magic and other partitioning products have been able to do nondestructive repartioning of active volumes for over a decade (that's how long I've been using it, since 1996). Which isn't possible (at least not reliable thing to do) on

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Apr 2006 at 10:50, A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2006/04/06 / 08:20 AM wrote: as Partition Magic and other partitioning products have been able to do nondestructive repartioning of active volumes for over a decade (that's how long I've been using it, since 1996). Which

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 06.04.2006 David W. Fenton wrote: My thought is that if I went with a dual-boot Mac, I'd use OS X for Finale and audio. Why would you use the Mac for Audio? Win XP has much better Audio software than the Mac imo. It is currently my biggest problem with the Mac and one good reason to dream

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 06.04.2006 A-NO-NE Music wrote: David W. Fenton / 2006/04/06 / 08:20 AM wrote: as Partition Magic and other partitioning products have been able to do nondestructive repartioning of active volumes for over a decade (that's how long I've been using it, since 1996). Which isn't possible

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread A-NO-NE Music
David W. Fenton / 2006/04/06 / 11:32 AM wrote: I wonder if that implies that my memory of the Mac support was correct? Nope. I was a long time PQMagic user, too, and I have been a Mac lover since 1987. Do you remember System Commander? That was another troublesome app! -- - Hiro Hiroaki

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Johannes Gebauer wrote: I don't know why people still think the Mac is better for Audio. Imo it isn't, simply by the lack of decent software. Certainly for professional classical music mastering the PC has a lot more to offer. Sequencers are ok, but the choice on Win is just as good if not

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Um, there have been a couple of products that will let you repartition without reformatting. There was one in OS 9 made by Alsoft, and there is one currently being made by Coriolis systems that has been running on OS X for about two years now, maybe longer.

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 08:32 AM 4/6/06 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: [...good information...] The biggest issue for me (aside from the political) is hardware. Will the Windows on the Mac use its own drivers to support the additional range of hardware? Add-in cards and other devices that

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Apr 2006 at 17:39, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 06.04.2006 David W. Fenton wrote: My thought is that if I went with a dual-boot Mac, I'd use OS X for Finale and audio. Why would you use the Mac for Audio? Win XP has much better Audio software than the Mac imo. It is currently my

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Phil Daley wrote: At 4/6/2006 08:20 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: I believe that OS X can read but not write NTFS, and Windows can't do either with OS X's file system. I believe there are utilities for the Mac that can make NTFS volumes read/write, so that would be a requirement to make this work.

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Scot Hanna-Weir
Another nice thing to note about Mac OS X however, is that it is a unix based OS, which means that a LOT of Unix utilities will run through the terminal, especially for file management/conversion functions. Perl comes installed standard to the Darwin Kernel on OS X and so you also have all of the

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Eric Dannewitz
David W. Fenton wrote: I am very anti-iTunes for anything other than as a media player (which I use it for). I won't use it for anything else because I don't like the choices that have been made for me. For MIDI-to-WAV conversion it's useless, since it uses the horrid QT instruments. This

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Apr 2006 at 9:28, Eric Dannewitz wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: I am very anti-iTunes for anything other than as a media player (which I use it for). I won't use it for anything else because I don't like the choices that have been made for me. For MIDI-to-WAV conversion it's useless,

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 06.04.2006 Eric Dannewitz wrote: Johannes Gebauer wrote: I don't know why people still think the Mac is better for Audio. Imo it isn't, simply by the lack of decent software. Certainly for professional classical music mastering the PC has a lot more to offer. Sequencers are ok, but the

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Apr 2006 at 18:39, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I fully understand your other reasons, being a better consultant, prefering OS X to Windows (as I do, too). But for the average user, who knows Windows well, and who can do all he needs and wants on the Win side, I really cannot see any benefit

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 06 Apr 2006, at 12:38 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: From my point of view, a soundfont and a sample are the same thing -- you're taking a synthesizer and loading a selection of sounds into it, rather than being stuck with the ones it came with. This can be done either in software or in

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:12 AM 4/6/06 -0700, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Well, since the three current Intel Macs hardly have room for another hard drive (Mac Mini uses a laptop drive, MacBook is a laptop, and the iMac has an internal drive already), it doesn't make sense to even think about an internal drive. Assuming

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Eric Dannewitz
David W. Fenton wrote: On 6 Apr 2006 at 9:28, Eric Dannewitz wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: I am very anti-iTunes for anything other than as a media player (which I use it for). I won't use it for anything else because I don't like the choices that have been made for me. For

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Karen
I fully understand your other reasons, being a better consultant, prefering OS X to Windows (as I do, too). But for the average user, who knows Windows well, and who can do all he needs and wants on the Win side, I really cannot see any benefit owning a fancy IntelMac for Dual Booting.

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Egosys Waveterminal 2496 PCI cards. I don't use Protools because of its hardware-centrism, and all my audio (Sonar, AudioMulch, Audition, etc.) is Windows-only. Waveterminal does not seem to be a current product from Egosys, and was released in 1999. M-Audio makes

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Apr 2006 at 10:03, Eric Dannewitz wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 6 Apr 2006 at 9:28, Eric Dannewitz wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: I am very anti-iTunes for anything other than as a media player (which I use it for). I won't use it for anything else because I don't

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Darcy James Argue
Except for GPO, your DSP rig would need, at minimum, a gig of RAM. And its own embedded processor. Your proposed product starts to get very expensive, very quickly. Not even the latest graphics cards on the market have 1 GB of RAM available, and they can cost upwards of $600. Not to

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Eric Dannewitz
David W. Fenton wrote: I cannot find any such method. In any event, the best synthesizer on my system is my soundcard, and iTunes can't capture its output, so I can't use iTunes for this purpose. Lets see, a quick Google search of midi to wav ended up with with a ton of results. Well, then

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Apr 2006 at 10:57, Eric Dannewitz wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: I cannot find any such method. In any event, the best synthesizer on my system is my soundcard, and iTunes can't capture its output, so I can't use iTunes for this purpose. Lets see, a quick Google search of midi to

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Darcy James Argue
Eric is right -- if you want to offload the processing of modern sample libraries (with all of the bells and whistles like authentic slurring, sampled performance techniques, etc), the memory and processing demands of this task are such that you're better off getting an entirely separate

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Karen
Hi David, This is REALLY great info. Thank you! Now, if there were a partition that was visible to both OS X and WinXP, a WinXP virus could damage data there or plant a nasty that could run on OS X in addition to its WinXP payload. I don't know where OS X stores its user-level startup

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 06.04.2006 Eric Dannewitz wrote: Unbelievable as always..I'm amazed you can make it through a day. But whatever. Eric, I actually think this was uncalled for. I can sort of see David's point. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread Eric Dannewitz
And I can't. If I had fog lights, a million watt search light, and infrared technology, I still couldn't. He has no experience in the area, as he admitted, yet will argue a position that is based on his lack of understanding. He did not even bother to research anything. Again. Do we need to

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Apr 2006 at 14:15, Eric Dannewitz wrote: He has no experience in the area, as he admitted I have experience in the field. I just don't do it for a living. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/

[Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Karen
I suspected this was coming http://tinyurl.com/pwcbs -Karen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Darcy James Argue
For people who didn't click Karen's link -- Apple has introduced a public beta of Boot Camp, an officially-sanctioned and supported dual- boot solution. It was already possible to install Windows XP on a MacIntel machine using third-party hacks, but now Apple has decided to offer their own

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread David W. Fenton
On 5 Apr 2006 at 10:59, Karen wrote: I suspected this was coming http://tinyurl.com/pwcbs This is not going to last long, though. Microsoft recently announced that Windows Vista (the next major release of Windows, the release of which was recently delayed into 2007) will not boot under

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Actually, EFI isn't Apple, its Intel http://www.intel.com/technology/efi/ And Apple updated EFI with BIOS support.so...it will run. And Vista will run. David W. Fenton wrote: On 5 Apr 2006 at 10:59, Karen wrote: I suspected this was coming http://tinyurl.com/pwcbs

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 05.04.2006 Darcy James Argue wrote: For people who didn't click Karen's link -- Apple has introduced a public beta of Boot Camp, an officially-sanctioned and supported dual-boot solution. It was already possible to install Windows XP on a MacIntel machine using third-party hacks, but now

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Darcy James Argue
The report I read said that Vista would boot under EFI, but it would require a 64-bit processor (the current MacIntels are 32-bit). At any rate, Apple is building Boot Camp support directly into OS X 10.5, so clearly they are pretty confident they will be able to get Vista to boot on their

RE: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Richard Willis
, 2006 3:09 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac On 05.04.2006 Darcy James Argue wrote: For people who didn't click Karen's link -- Apple has introduced a public beta of Boot Camp, an officially-sanctioned and supported dual-boot solution. It was already

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Darcy James Argue
The answer is yes. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 05 Apr 2006, at 3:19 PM, Richard Willis wrote: I think it will be interesting to see if WinXP can be registered on the new CPU for those that will be trying to transfer their old WinXP to

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Karen
Gebauer Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:09 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac On 05.04.2006 Darcy James Argue wrote: For people who didn't click Karen's link -- Apple has introduced a public beta of Boot Camp, an officially-sanctioned

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I think you have that wrong. The coolest thing about the assistant is that it *does a non-destructive repartitioning of your boot drive*. In other words, you don't need unpartitioned space to install Boot Camp, just free space within your Mac's existing boot partition. Choose your partition

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Karen
Naw...I understand the concept that was in the linked article that's why I put virtual in parenthesisbut maybe that was a poor way of saying it. By virtual I meant a partition that can be created without having to reformat the whole drive like we did in the past. I guess non-

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Mark D Lew
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:32 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: This is not going to last long, though. Microsoft recently announced that Windows Vista (the next major release of Windows, the release of which was recently delayed into 2007) will not boot under EFI (or whatever the Apple equivalent to the

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Darcy James Argue
Here's the answer: Along with Boot Camp, Apple has posted firmware updates to all their Intel Macs today. These firmware updates provide EFI with BIOS support, allowing all Intel Macs to boot operating systems such as Windows XP and Linux. This should also allow the Intel Macs to boot

Re: [Finale] OT: Windows XP will now run on a Mac

2006-04-05 Thread Karen
So, from what I understand from reading and asking around this is the scoop thus far on security issues. EFI is very well locked down on the Intel machines so the firmware update shouldn't be a problem. Viruses and spyware can still infect the windows partition on these machines.