Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-15 Thread John Howell
At 6:48 AM -0500 2/14/07, dhbailey wrote: Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 14.02.2007 dhbailey wrote: So why wasn't Esperanto based on Hawaiian? Johannes Because it doesn't have a word for "Spam." So what is Esperanto for Spam? Johannes They probably had hoped to avoid it and thus omitted it

RE: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-14 Thread keith helgesen
: musical note values in OZ? keith helgesen wrote: > I'm with you there! > > My picks for least used would have to be the extremes; B# and Fb > > BTW- a favourite question for musos Trivia Nights; > > Which note in music only has two names? > > All others have t

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 07:04 PM 2/14/2007 +0100, Daniel Wolf wrote: >In all seriousness, an equal division of the octave into ten parts was >proposed during the French Revolutionary era. An octave divided into 10 parts was the premise of one of a set of three xylophones built for David Gunn and me by Fred Carlson i

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-14 Thread Daniel Wolf
In all seriousness, an equal division of the octave into ten parts was proposed during the French Revolutionary era. Although it has musical qualities of its own -- it's excellent as a equidistant pentatonic with chromatic neighboring or substitution tones -- one can surmise that the incompati

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-14 Thread Aaron Rabushka
es Gebauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ? > On 14.02.2007 dhbailey wrote: > >> So why wasn't Esperanto based on Hawaiian? > >> > >> Johannes > > >

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-14 Thread Aaron Rabushka
Probably just "decaphony" rather than "dodecaphony." Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk - Original Message - From: "dhbailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fi

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-14 Thread dhbailey
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 14.02.2007 dhbailey wrote: So why wasn't Esperanto based on Hawaiian? Johannes Because it doesn't have a word for "Spam." So what is Esperanto for Spam? Johannes They probably had hoped to avoid it and thus omitted it from the language. :-) One English-Esp

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.02.2007 dhbailey wrote: So why wasn't Esperanto based on Hawaiian? Johannes Because it doesn't have a word for "Spam." So what is Esperanto for Spam? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale

Hawaiian alphabet (was: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?)

2007-02-14 Thread Bruce K H Kau
It really requires 13 letters. In addition to the 12 latin letters (A E H I K L M N O P U W) there is also a glottal-stop letter, usually notated as an apostrophe, but it looks more like an opening single quote. Some has estimated that the relative frequency of the glottal stop in the language

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-14 Thread dhbailey
keith helgesen wrote: I'm with you there! My picks for least used would have to be the extremes; B# and Fb BTW- a favourite question for musos Trivia Nights; Which note in music only has two names? All others have three- obviously including double sharps and flats. Okay, I'll bite -- is

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-14 Thread dhbailey
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 14.02.2007 keith helgesen wrote: My picks for least used would have to be the extremes; B# and Fb Enharmonics would still be the same, no? B#=C, Fb=E, no? Johannes Yes, but think how much easier it would be for mid-level school music students who would never hav

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-14 Thread dhbailey
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 14.02.2007 Aaron Rabushka wrote: Well, the Hawaiian language only needs 12 letters, so 10 wouldn't be that big a stretch...(with 10-tone music not far behind!). So why wasn't Esperanto based on Hawaiian? Johannes Because it doesn't have a word for "Spam." -- Da

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-14 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Rabushka wrote: Well, the Hawaiian language only needs 12 letters, so 10 wouldn't be that big a stretch...(with 10-tone music not far behind!). Will 10-tone music be called "metric serial" composition? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.02.2007 keith helgesen wrote: My picks for least used would have to be the extremes; B# and Fb Enharmonics would still be the same, no? B#=C, Fb=E, no? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.02.2007 Aaron Rabushka wrote: Well, the Hawaiian language only needs 12 letters, so 10 wouldn't be that big a stretch...(with 10-tone music not far behind!). So why wasn't Esperanto based on Hawaiian? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de _

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.02.2007 Aaron Rabushka wrote: "Eurhythmics," perhaps? That is the new European Union standard for musical rhythm. It considers any note smaller than an eighth to be a click and any note larger than a half note to be an alarm signal. Since alarm signals are reserved for police and fire

RE: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread keith helgesen
I'm with you there! My picks for least used would have to be the extremes; B# and Fb BTW- a favourite question for musos Trivia Nights; Which note in music only has two names? All others have three- obviously including double sharps and flats. Cheers, K in OZ Keith Helgesen. Ph: (02) 62910

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Richard Smith
Christopher Smith wrote: As F# and Eb are the least-used notes according to a three-year survey commissioned by the Minister, they will be the ones to be deleted. Christopher Eb is the least used?? Did the survey not include band music? And F#? They must have forgotten the church orchestr

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Aaron Rabushka
"Eurhythmics," perhaps? Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk - Original Message - From: "dhbailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ? > We

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Aaron Rabushka
D]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ? > > >Pardon, but isn't this a misuse of the word "metric"? The system > >taught in the U.S. is fractional, not metric. I may be wrong, but I > >

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread shirling & neueweise
In keeping with the metric system now in use throughout the rest of the country, the Ministère de l'Education has decreed that from now on, music courses taught in colleges in Québec will now use a ten-note scale, rather than the present Imperial English system of twelve notes. This will in

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Daniel Wolf
Sorry, I missed the word "not" in my second sentence. It should read: The term metric does NOT necessarily require decimal divisions or expansions, nor, for that matter, is musical use limited in principle to duple or triple divisions and expansions. Daniel Wolf wrote: "Metric" is correct mus

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Christopher Smith
On 13-Feb-07, at 1:59 PM, Michael Pilgrim wrote: Metric Week: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Sunday. MBP continuing the stream of consciousness further off-topic, there was a brilliant sketch on the decabet, the new 10-letter alph

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Michael Pilgrim
Metric Week: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Sunday. MBP continuing the stream of consciousness further off-topic, there was a brilliant sketch on the decabet, the new 10-letter alphabet - proposed by tim kazurinsky, early SNL - when t

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Daniel Wolf
"Metric" is correct musically as it has to do with metre, and mathematically, as it has to do with distance in a metric space. The term metric does necessarily require decimal divisions or expansions, nor, for that matter, is musical use limited in principle to duple or triple divisions and ex

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread dhbailey
abushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk - Original Message - From: "John Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ? At 10:50 PM +1100 2/13/07, Trent Johnston wrote: Mainly Bri

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread shirling & neueweise
Pardon, but isn't this a misuse of the word "metric"? The system taught in the U.S. is fractional, not metric. I may be wrong, but I don't believe I've ever seen a decinote, or a centinote, or a millinote! continuing the stream of consciousness further off-topic, there was a brilliant ske

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Aaron Rabushka
Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ? > At 10:50 PM +1100 2/13/07, Trent Johnston wrote: > >Mainly British terms, although since a lot of text books / > >instrument instruct

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread John Howell
At 10:50 PM +1100 2/13/07, Trent Johnston wrote: Mainly British terms, although since a lot of text books / instrument instructions come from "American" metric values are also used. Pardon, but isn't this a misuse of the word "metric"? The system taught in the U.S. is fractional, not metric.

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Bruce Petherick
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Do Australians use the British terms (crochet, quaver, semi-quaver,...) or the metric values? Johannes Almost all Australians use those terms. Bruce Petherick (ex Aus now Canadian) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu h

Re: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Trent Johnston
lines and spaces; treble clef etc Trent - Original Message - From: "Johannes Gebauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Finale" Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:14 PM Subject: [Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ? Do Australians use the British terms (crochet, qua

[Finale] TAN: musical note values in OZ?

2007-02-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Do Australians use the British terms (crochet, quaver, semi-quaver,...) or the metric values? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo