On Jun 22, 2006, at 4:43 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
A simplex bass trombone is an instrument in F.
Did you mean to say G? I thought we had established that the F bass
trombone is called a contrabass, for no apparent reason.
Hokay; time to call in the experts. Cecil Forsythe, writing
On Jun 23, 2006, at 1:50 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Hokay; time to call in the experts. Cecil Forsythe, writing from
England in 1914, says In this country the Bass-Trombone, both for
orchestral and military purposes, is always built in G... On the
continent the Bass Trombone has always been
On Jun 21, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Carl Dershem wrote:
And I use a King 2b Liberty (dual .581/.591 bore)
You must have meant .481/.491, as .581 is ENORMOUS, like contrabass
trombone bore.
for jazz leads and a lot of small combo work to blend with (usually) 1
sax or a sax and trumpet - the
On Jun 21, 2006, at 11:50 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
Tchaik 1st trombone parts are written for tenor, as are nearly
everything after Brahms. The clefs, as time went on, do NOT always
indicate choice of instrument, nor do the names on the part, which
were sometimes supplied by the
Title: Re: [Finale] Re: trombone
clefs
At 11:50 PM -0400 6/21/06, Raymond Horton wrote:
Tchaik 1st trombone parts are written for
tenor, as are nearly everything after Brahms. The clefs, as time
went on, do NOT always indicate choice of instrument, nor do the names
on the part, which were
On Jun 22, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Another bit of confusion: I think that a lot of the very wide-bore,
big-bell btrbs. that some of you have been discussing are the same
thing that I have been calling an F contrabass trombone.
No, not really.
If there is a distinction
On Jun 21, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
The addition of a trigger alone does not make the instrument a
tenor-bass, as even King 3b's (peashooters) are available with
triggers. They are just large-bore tenor trombones, that happen to
have an F trigger. The real tenor-bass that
On Jun 22, 2006, at 4:26 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
but even if it was missing the 2nd trigger (or even a straight horn!
I've seen them!) it would still be a bass trombone.
A simplex bass trombone is an instrument in F.
Did you mean to say G? I thought we had established that the F bass
Christopher Smith wrote:
On Jun 21, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Carl Dershem wrote:
And I use a King 2b Liberty (dual .581/.591 bore)
You must have meant .481/.491, as .581 is ENORMOUS, like contrabass
trombone bore.
True. My horns vary a lot, from a .445 trumpthe .508 valve trombone,
the .525
I don't know of much RECENT music written for alto-tenor-bass orchestra
sections, though that was overwhelmingly the case from Haydn up to
Tchakovsky or so. Tchaik, for example, is almost always played on tenor
trombone because of the range, though it is written mostly in alto
clef.
I think
Are you sure about Tchaik? All the scores I have at hand (Sym. 4,5,6, Romeo
and Juliet, Capriccio Italien) have 1st and 2nd trombones in tenor clef, 3rd
in bass clef. Of course, the parts could be different.
Odd bit of info about Shostakovich, if true (I can verify his scores are as
you say).
No, I am not sure. I don't know about the scores, though we had
established that the clefs in the score and parts might not agree. But
the parts I've seen are mostly in alto clef for the 1st trombone (at
least, the editions I tend to get in the small orchestras I play with
on occasion.) It is
I don't know of much RECENT music written for alto-tenor-bass orchestra
sections, though that was overwhelmingly the case from Haydn up to
Tchakovsky or so.
Are you sure Tchaik wanted alto trombone? Generally, my impression is that alto
trombone went out of fashion towards the end of the
Sorry, I meant to say that the change over to tenor was more or less
complete by the time we get to Tchaik or so. He certainly was writing
for two tenor trombones, and a bunch of the French composers even
before him were writing for three tenors. As you implied, it was a
fashion change that
At 6:46 PM + 6/21/06, Robert Patterson wrote:
I don't know of much RECENT music written for alto-tenor-bass orchestra
sections, though that was overwhelmingly the case from Haydn up to
Tchakovsky or so.
Are you sure Tchaik wanted alto trombone? Generally, my impression
is that alto
On Jun 21, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
Personally, I like alto trombone very much. My latest orch. piece used
alto/ten/bass rather than the (now) more standard tenor 1/2, bass.
Fortunately the player has and enjoys playing an alto trombone. After
hearing it, I will probably
Andrew Stiller wrote:
And of course, in the 20th-21st centuries, tenor trombone really
means tenor-bass trombone, w. a trigger. I know a lot of
first-trombonists prefer the old simplex tenor, because it is lighter in
weight and 1st trb. parts almost never need the trigger, but it seems
On Jun 21, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Jun 21, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
Personally, I like alto trombone very much. My latest orch. piece
used alto/ten/bass rather than the (now) more standard tenor 1/2,
bass. Fortunately the player has and enjoys playing an
On Jun 21, 2006, at 5:45 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
Andrew Stiller wrote:
And of course, in the 20th-21st centuries, tenor trombone really
means tenor-bass trombone, w. a trigger. I know a lot of
first-trombonists prefer the old simplex tenor, because it is lighter
in weight and 1st
Robert Patterson wrote:
I don't know of much RECENT music written for alto-tenor-bass orchestra
sections, though that was overwhelmingly the case from Haydn up to
Tchakovsky or so.
Are you sure Tchaik wanted alto trombone? Generally, my impression is that alto
trombone went out of fashion
Robert Patterson wrote:
I think this all is part of the homogification of trombone sound. My
preference is a brighter trombone sound easily distingushable from a
french horn or euphonium, but (at least a few years ago) all the
trombonists seemed to be striving for the same darkness as those
Recent scores often put 1st and 2nd on one stave in tenor, but parts are alto, tenor, bass, respectively.
RBH- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:45Subject: [Finale] Re: trombone clefsTo: finale@shsu.edu Every time I've played the Schumann or Schubert
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