Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-04 Thread Jari Williamsson
Darcy James Argue wrote: Sul tasto would obviously be a very different sound from harmonics. The passage I have in mind (for string quartet) would not be nearly as effective played sul tasto, but that's still IMO the least worst alternative in this specific case, if the harmonics solution had

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-04 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Jari, Thanks -- very helpful. I will definitely be consulting with the players on this, I just wanted to get a general sense of the difficulty before I went to them. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 4 Apr 2008, at 10:52 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Darcy

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-04 Thread John Howell
On 4 Apr 2008, at 10:52 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Please keep in mind that violas don't are in standard sizes like violins. Some of them are huge, some small (and the instrument sizes are not proportional to the player's hands!). Artificial harmonics produced by stopping the string a 5th

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-03 Thread Christopher Smith
Not fast, they are fine for most players. You will get a gap between successive pitches (in other words, legato is out of the question.) The biggest problem I had, though, was getting the players to play them FIFTH touch and not 4th touch, which gave the wrong note. It appears that among

RE: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-03 Thread Lee Actor
How practical are touch-fifth artificial harmonics low on the viola? Is that a big stretch? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY Not a big deal stretch-wise, esp. for a single note. If you have a passage with a series of such artificial harmonics, there is a certain

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-03 Thread John Howell
At 5:44 PM -0400 4/3/08, Darcy James Argue wrote: How practical are touch-fifth artificial harmonics low on the viola? Is that a big stretch? Cheers, I assume that you mean holding down the first finger to fret the string, and touching it with the 4th finger (5th finger to pianists!) at

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-03 Thread Darcy James Argue
Thanks Lee ( Chris), I think it will be okay. The notes move, but there are gliss between notes. The notes I need can't be gotten with natural harmonics and are too low to be generated by touch-fourth. The notes are non-negotiable -- the question is whether to use harmonics or sul tasto,

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-03 Thread John Howell
At 6:07 PM -0400 4/3/08, Christopher Smith wrote: Not fast, they are fine for most players. You will get a gap between successive pitches (in other words, legato is out of the question.) Not sure why you would say that, Christopher. If legato connection is required, the left hand can slide

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-03 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi John, In this case, I do want the slide, but my previous impression was similar to Chris's -- a string of connected artificial harmonics is very difficult to pull off, even if the positions are fairly close together. It's good to know it *can* be done, though! Cheers, - Darcy -

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-03 Thread John Howell
At 6:32 PM -0400 4/3/08, Darcy James Argue wrote: the question is whether to use harmonics or sul tasto, but I'd much rather have them in harmonics if possible. ? Sul tasto is a bowing instruction to bow over the fingerboard (fewer overtones, therefore a softer tone). I can't

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-03 Thread arabushk
If Paganini could pull it out of a violin why not a viola? ajr At 6:07 PM -0400 4/3/08, Christopher Smith wrote: Not fast, they are fine for most players. You will get a gap between successive pitches (in other words, legato is out of the question.) Not sure why you would say that,

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-03 Thread Darcy James Argue
Sul tasto would obviously be a very different sound from harmonics. The passage I have in mind (for string quartet) would not be nearly as effective played sul tasto, but that's still IMO the least worst alternative in this specific case, if the harmonics solution had proved impractical.

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-03 Thread Christopher Smith
On Apr 3, 2008, at 6:38 PM, John Howell wrote: At 6:07 PM -0400 4/3/08, Christopher Smith wrote: Not fast, they are fine for most players. You will get a gap between successive pitches (in other words, legato is out of the question.) Not sure why you would say that, Christopher. If

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-03 Thread John Howell
At 8:36 PM -0400 4/3/08, Christopher Smith wrote: Maybe things are different in different circles. Darcy said afterwards that he wanted glisses, which should be perfectly fine, as long as he doesn't change to a 4th-touch on any of them. Actually that's quite practical as well. On violin it

Re: [Finale] Viola harmonics

2008-04-03 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Chris, Actually, I do at one point have someone slide from a fifth-touch to a fourth-touch, although I understand the note will disappear during the slide. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 3 Apr 2008, at 8:36 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Maybe things are