[Finale] Test
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Re: [Finale] Test
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[Finale] 2006
Hi folks, Am I the only one who has seen the announcement of Finale 2006? There's usually a lot of discussion when these things are announced, and there seem to be some significant improvements (along with the usual bells and whistles), including what looks like a real improvement in control of mass copying behavior, much more flexibility and efficiency in dealing with libraries, and some help with graphic export (something I rarely use, but would if it were easier. There's also integration with Garritan (nice for me, since I now seem to be a little part of that, and will certainly find use for the jazz sound samples), and improved Kontact integration (or so the PR seems to indicate). At least this is how things appear on the web site, if I have understood correctly. Don't know if everyone will be satisfied, but things seem to be looking up. I see no delivery date listed. Any other reactions? Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
No. I have not seen nor heard anything. Where did you get this info?? Chuck Israels wrote: Hi folks, Am I the only one who has seen the announcement of Finale 2006? There's usually a lot of discussion when these things are announced, and there seem to be some significant improvements (along with the usual bells and whistles), including what looks like a real improvement in control of mass copying behavior, much more flexibility and efficiency in dealing with libraries, and some help with graphic export (something I rarely use, but would if it were easier. There's also integration with Garritan (nice for me, since I now seem to be a little part of that, and will certainly find use for the jazz sound samples), and improved Kontact integration (or so the PR seems to indicate). At least this is how things appear on the web site, if I have understood correctly. Don't know if everyone will be satisfied, but things seem to be looking up. I see no delivery date listed. Any other reactions? Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: 2006
Chuck Israels wrote: I see no delivery date listed. Finale 2006 is expected to start shipping in July 2005. http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/ -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
Some info here: http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/ Fiedler Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 22.06.2005, at 21:34, Eric Dannewitz wrote: No. I have not seen nor heard anything. Where did you get this info?? Chuck Israels wrote: Hi folks, Am I the only one who has seen the announcement of Finale 2006? There's usually a lot of discussion when these things are announced, and there seem to be some significant improvements (along with the usual bells and whistles), including what looks like a real improvement in control of mass copying behavior, much more flexibility and efficiency in dealing with libraries, and some help with graphic export (something I rarely use, but would if it were easier. There's also integration with Garritan (nice for me, since I now seem to be a little part of that, and will certainly find use for the jazz sound samples), and improved Kontact integration (or so the PR seems to indicate). At least this is how things appear on the web site, if I have understood correctly. Don't know if everyone will be satisfied, but things seem to be looking up. I see no delivery date listed. Any other reactions? Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
On Jun 22, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi folks, Am I the only one who has seen the announcement of Finale 2006? There's usually a lot of discussion when these things are announced, and there seem to be some significant improvements (along with the usual bells and whistles), including what looks like a real improvement in control of mass copying behavior, much more flexibility and efficiency in dealing with libraries, and some help with graphic export (something I rarely use, but would if it were easier. There's also integration with Garritan (nice for me, since I now seem to be a little part of that, and will certainly find use for the jazz sound samples), and improved Kontact integration (or so the PR seems to indicate). They mention July 2005. I just got the email notice now. But when I tried to pre-order, Firefox kept telling me that the document contained no data. Safari works fine, though. One thing, I noticed that Garritan Jazz and Big Band Collection is announced as well, on the check out page, at US$ 199.00. From the Garritan website it costs $259. I was hoping to get a reduction since I already own the Personal Orchestra, but it looks like Finale is the key to getting a discount. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
finally! a mixer!!! woo-hoo! - no more clarinet/kazoo dominating playback! On Jun 22, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Jun 22, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi folks, Am I the only one who has seen the announcement of Finale 2006? There's usually a lot of discussion when these things are announced, and there seem to be some significant improvements (along with the usual bells and whistles), including what looks like a real improvement in control of mass copying behavior, much more flexibility and efficiency in dealing with libraries, and some help with graphic export (something I rarely use, but would if it were easier. There's also integration with Garritan (nice for me, since I now seem to be a little part of that, and will certainly find use for the jazz sound samples), and improved Kontact integration (or so the PR seems to indicate). They mention July 2005. I just got the email notice now. But when I tried to pre-order, Firefox kept telling me that the document contained no data. Safari works fine, though. One thing, I noticed that Garritan Jazz and Big Band Collection is announced as well, on the check out page, at US$ 199.00. From the Garritan website it costs $259. I was hoping to get a reduction since I already own the Personal Orchestra, but it looks like Finale is the key to getting a discount. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
At 04:20 PM 06/22/2005, Christopher Smith wrote: They mention July 2005. I just got the email notice now. But when I tried to pre-order, Firefox kept telling me that the document contained no data. Yeah, Firefox doesn't seem to like a lot of those new pages. Hey, Coda, if anyone is reading this -- you really ought to make sure your pages are FF compatible! Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
Looks like they've continued their practice of adding features from existing third-party plugins. Engraver Copy Paste looks a lot like Robert Patterson's Mass Copy (though not as useful), and Auto Page Resize looks like it might be related to his Page Mover. And Score System Divider is one of Jari's. And 'Backwards Compatibility' is really 'includes MusicXML plugin'. 'Auto Insert Copyright Symbol' is a new feature worth advertising? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
Chuck Israels wrote: Hi folks, Am I the only one who has seen the announcement of Finale 2006? There's usually a lot of discussion when these things are announced, and there seem to be some significant improvements (along with the usual bells and whistles), including what looks like a real improvement in control of mass copying behavior, much more flexibility and efficiency in dealing with libraries, and some help with graphic export (something I rarely use, but would if it were easier. There's also integration with Garritan (nice for me, since I now seem to be a little part of that, and will certainly find use for the jazz sound samples), and improved Kontact integration (or so the PR seems to indicate). At least this is how things appear on the web site, if I have understood correctly. Don't know if everyone will be satisfied, but things seem to be looking up. I see no delivery date listed. I received the offer, too. The expected shipping date is given only as July, 2005. I tried to order it but when I clicked on CHECKOUT I got the error message that the page contained no data. Seems like they don't have their web-site setup yet properly to handle the new upgrade orders. The cost to upgrade from 2005 is $99, and from 2004 and earlier versions is $149. Guess I'll try to order later. Of course the Garritan sounds that come with the program are a limited set, and at an extra cost you can buy the full Personal Orchestra sounds and for an additional cost you buy the Garritan Jazz sounds. The upgrade sounds as much as a tickler to generate more sales for Garritan sounds as an upgrade for Finale. I wonder how much of each additional sale of Garritan sounds Finale gets to keep. I also wonder how frustrated we'll be by the set included with Finale (remember all our complaints about the sounds in the default soundfont included with recent versions of Finale). But there seem to be some other facets of the upgrade that will probably make it worthwhile, such as split measures, mid-measure repeats (it'll be interesting to see how that feature works!), score system dividers (I wonder if it's just Jari's plug-in). And there are the gee I wanna be more like Sibelius features such as textured papers, the inclusion of the Kontakt Player (probably specially fitted for Finale only, just as with Sibelius but that's just conjecture on my part), a mixer panel which claims to have real-time controls for panning, volume, patch. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
Yeah, seriously. Auto Insert Copyright Symbol. Wow, that has to be the reason to upgrade. Advanced Measure numbering is a welcome addition. Finally. Handbells? Um, ok. Coda Systems. Good idea. Textured paper? Whatever.. Mixer. Yeah, good idea. More midi channels. Yeah, good idea. What about better or revamped Chord notation??? It's a fair update. Not a whole lot of NEW things, though the addition of better sounds will be nice. Though I just bought the whole GPO through their group buy :-/ Aaron Sherber wrote: Looks like they've continued their practice of adding features from existing third-party plugins. Engraver Copy Paste looks a lot like Robert Patterson's Mass Copy (though not as useful), and Auto Page Resize looks like it might be related to his Page Mover. And Score System Divider is one of Jari's. And 'Backwards Compatibility' is really 'includes MusicXML plugin'. 'Auto Insert Copyright Symbol' is a new feature worth advertising? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TAN: GPO Kontakt Player Update now available
It's actually been out since June 16 -- why oh why don't they email their customers to let them know when updates are released? http://www.garritan.com/downloads.html - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
Hi Chris, You might want to hold off on buying the GPO Jazz Edition from Coda. Gary Garritan writes: We will have a special upgrade promotion for GPO users when the Jazz and Big Band library is released. Gary Garritan http://northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35724 No word yet whether it will be more or less than the Finale upgrade price. I'm also *extremely* disappointed the jazz version won't include bass clarinet. That's insane. Bass clarinet is probably *the* most commonly-used double today, at least in small-group jazz. They include piccolo and alto flute in the jazz collection but not bass clarinet. It won't affect me (much) since I can use the bass clarinet from regular GPO, but sheesh. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 Jun 2005, at 4:20 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Jun 22, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi folks, Am I the only one who has seen the announcement of Finale 2006? There's usually a lot of discussion when these things are announced, and there seem to be some significant improvements (along with the usual bells and whistles), including what looks like a real improvement in control of mass copying behavior, much more flexibility and efficiency in dealing with libraries, and some help with graphic export (something I rarely use, but would if it were easier. There's also integration with Garritan (nice for me, since I now seem to be a little part of that, and will certainly find use for the jazz sound samples), and improved Kontact integration (or so the PR seems to indicate). They mention July 2005. I just got the email notice now. But when I tried to pre-order, Firefox kept telling me that the document contained no data. Safari works fine, though. One thing, I noticed that Garritan Jazz and Big Band Collection is announced as well, on the check out page, at US$ 199.00. From the Garritan website it costs $259. I was hoping to get a reduction since I already own the Personal Orchestra, but it looks like Finale is the key to getting a discount. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
What about better or revamped Chord notation??? I speak with MM people for time to time and encourage them to buy Bill Duncan's beautiful chords (and a few other niceties from his packages) and include them in Finale. All I can say is that they do seem to listen to me and at least consider what I suggest. Until then, Eric, I suggest biting the bullet and buying Bill's chords for $40. They are really nice. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
On Jun 22, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chris, You might want to hold off on buying the GPO Jazz Edition from Coda. Gary Garritan writes: We will have a special upgrade promotion for GPO users when the Jazz and Big Band library is released. Gary Garritan http://northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35724 No word yet whether it will be more or less than the Finale upgrade price. I'm also *extremely* disappointed the jazz version won't include bass clarinet. That's insane. Bass clarinet is probably *the* most commonly-used double today, at least in small-group jazz. They include piccolo and alto flute in the jazz collection but not bass clarinet. It won't affect me (much) since I can use the bass clarinet from regular GPO, but sheesh. Hi Darcy, For what it's worth, I told Gary this weeks ago. I am in the same position as you and can get this sound from the orchestra set, but I think Gary is not aware of what's going on in the jazz world. You might write him and tell him what you think. I don't think the package is yet finalized, and I suppose they could simply import the samples from the other library. Don't underestimate the effect of multiple emails. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
Hi Chuck, I emailed Gary and also posted on the Northern Sounds forums. I immediately got an email back from Gary asking why I emailed him and then posted the same thing. So I guess I got his attention, at least. However, it probably wouldn't hurt if potential GPO Jazz/Big Band customers go here and let Gary know you'd like to see bass clarinet included: http://northernsounds.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreplyp=310766 - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 Jun 2005, at 6:38 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: On Jun 22, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chris, You might want to hold off on buying the GPO Jazz Edition from Coda. Gary Garritan writes: We will have a special upgrade promotion for GPO users when the Jazz and Big Band library is released. Gary Garritan http://northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35724 No word yet whether it will be more or less than the Finale upgrade price. I'm also *extremely* disappointed the jazz version won't include bass clarinet. That's insane. Bass clarinet is probably *the* most commonly-used double today, at least in small-group jazz. They include piccolo and alto flute in the jazz collection but not bass clarinet. It won't affect me (much) since I can use the bass clarinet from regular GPO, but sheesh. Hi Darcy, For what it's worth, I told Gary this weeks ago. I am in the same position as you and can get this sound from the orchestra set, but I think Gary is not aware of what's going on in the jazz world. You might write him and tell him what you think. I don't think the package is yet finalized, and I suppose they could simply import the samples from the other library. Don't underestimate the effect of multiple emails. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TAN: GPO Big Band Update
Hey guys, Gary Garritan has written this on the GPO forums: Sure we can add a bass clarinet but it will delay the library again. Does everyone want to wait longer? And someone wrote insisting that it cannot be a true Jazz Big Band library without an accordion. And another, despite 16 saxes, wants an obscure soprillo sax. I received another email from someone insisting on a banjo. And someone else wants a dobro. And lexts not forget the flexitone and Tom's 'Gb Obligato Stritch and the Profundo Retro-Clarinetto with the F extension' . There will always be one more thing. When should we stop adding instruments? Gary Garritan Would anyone who is interested in buying the GPO Jazz/Big Band edition *please* go here: http://northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35357page=2pp=40 … and let him know that bass clarinet is a standard jazz instrument and you would like to see it included? (Apparently forum posts are better than email.) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: GPO Kontakt Player Update now available
On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:59 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's actually been out since June 16 -- why oh why don't they email their customers to let them know when updates are released? http://www.garritan.com/downloads.html Thanks for that! I didn't even know... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet
I just had a quick correspondence with Gary and this was the result: Hi Chuck, OK. Based on your recommendation we will include a bass clarinet. Thanks for the input. I reread what you wrote and Tom and I like it very much. Still waiting to hear from Greg so I can get off the island and visit. Gary Would that I could experience such an effect on record companies, concert promoters, or even the music department in which I work! (The reference in Gary's email is to the intro to the Jazz Library, which I wrote for them.) Anyway, I'm glad to have been able to help. chuck On Jun 22, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chris, You might want to hold off on buying the GPO Jazz Edition from Coda. Gary Garritan writes: We will have a special upgrade promotion for GPO users when the Jazz and Big Band library is released. Gary Garritan http://northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35724 No word yet whether it will be more or less than the Finale upgrade price. I'm also *extremely* disappointed the jazz version won't include bass clarinet. That's insane. Bass clarinet is probably *the* most commonly-used double today, at least in small-group jazz. They include piccolo and alto flute in the jazz collection but not bass clarinet. It won't affect me (much) since I can use the bass clarinet from regular GPO, but sheesh. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 Jun 2005, at 4:20 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Jun 22, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi folks, Am I the only one who has seen the announcement of Finale 2006? There's usually a lot of discussion when these things are announced, and there seem to be some significant improvements (along with the usual bells and whistles), including what looks like a real improvement in control of mass copying behavior, much more flexibility and efficiency in dealing with libraries, and some help with graphic export (something I rarely use, but would if it were easier. There's also integration with Garritan (nice for me, since I now seem to be a little part of that, and will certainly find use for the jazz sound samples), and improved Kontact integration (or so the PR seems to indicate). They mention July 2005. I just got the email notice now. But when I tried to pre-order, Firefox kept telling me that the document contained no data. Safari works fine, though. One thing, I noticed that Garritan Jazz and Big Band Collection is announced as well, on the check out page, at US$ 199.00. From the Garritan website it costs $259. I was hoping to get a reduction since I already own the Personal Orchestra, but it looks like Finale is the key to getting a discount. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet
On Jun 22, 2005, at 7:38 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I just had a quick correspondence with Gary and this was the result: Hi Chuck, OK. Based on your recommendation we will include a bass clarinet. That's terrific! I agree with Darcy and you that the bass clarinet is essential. I got an education reading the forum posts about the various saxophones. I had never heard of the soprillo (Eb piccolo sax) the F mezzo-soprano sax, nor the sub-contrabass sax going to Ab a note below the piano! But why include these, and leave out the bass clarinet? I have written countless times for banjo, accordian, French horn, tuba, and jazz violin in jazz contexts (none of which are present in the GPO jazz collection) but never once in my life for even bass saxophone, and only once for sopranino sax. I've even written for bagpipe chanter and ocarina (though I wouldn't insist on having those instruments present in a basic collection!) Nice to see him including some plunger brass, too, the omission of which I had noticed the first time around. I hope he includes a nice variety of open, closed, 1/2 open, wah, aow, and growls, which are indispensable to me (though to tell the truth, it's more important for OTHER people listening to my mockups, as I already know about what it will sound like.) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet
On 23 Jun 2005, at 00:38, Chuck Israels wrote:I just had a quick correspondence with Gary and this was the result:"Hi Chuck,OK. Based on your recommendation we will include a bass clarinet.Well done Chuck! You made them see sense.John___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet
That's terrific! I agree with Darcy and you that the bass clarinet is essential.Nice to see him including some plunger brass, too, the omission of which I had noticed the first time around. I hope he includes a nice variety of open, closed, 1/2 open, wah, aow, and growls, which are indispensable to me (though to tell the truth, it's more important for OTHER people listening to my mockups, as I already know about what it will sound like.)Dear Chris,Glad to have been able to help.When this library arrives, I will surely need lots of help from many of you who have been using sounds and mixers and things. My experience with these is rudimentary, and the inclusion of better integration in 2006 will be likely to encourage me to go a little deeper.I know I can look forward to great information and plenty of patience from folks like you and Darcy.I am optimistic about all of this improving (Finale, GPO, and how easy they might be to learn and to use), even though there are some for whom the improvements don't address their particular needs, or simply don't arrive quickly enough. This seems as if it will be a good period.Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet
On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I have written countless times for banjo, accordian, French horn, tuba, and jazz violin in jazz contexts (none of which are present in the GPO jazz collection) Of course, so have I (some, anyway - French Horn, the most often), but as you seem to reasonably understand things (and as I do), none of these are standard doubles in a normal jazz band, so I wouldn't think they'd need inclusion. If those instruments are needed, then I understand the organization of the GPO marketing that would put them in the orchestra library and not include them in the jazz sounds. Anyway, that's how it makes sense to me. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
On 22 Jun 2005 at 16:23, dhbailey wrote: But there seem to be some other facets of the upgrade that will probably make it worthwhile, such as split measures Split measures have existed in Finale for ages. I don't understand why they are trumpeting it as a new feature. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006
On 22 Jun 2005 at 16:51, Aaron Sherber wrote: Looks like they've continued their practice of adding features from existing third-party plugins. Engraver Copy Paste looks a lot like Robert Patterson's Mass Copy (though not as useful). . . It looks to me like just a simplification of UI, combining what was previously two dialogs launched from two different menu choices, into a single dialog. And they added one feature, control over clef copying -- it's not clear from the graphic of the new dialog, but it looks awfully like they've made clef copying intelligent, but it's not clear if this just means copy all the clefs if the basic clef of the destination staff is the same as that of the source staff or if it's smart enough to do things like choose appropriate clef changes for different destination staves, say, copying a viola part to a cello line might choose a tenor clef for the destination. In any event, it seems like a real improvement only if the things that don't copy properly start copying properly -- more control over features that don't actually work as expected is hardly helpful! -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re(2): [Finale] 2006
I agree; some of the best money I ever spent. They've saved me hours and *so* easy to read. **Leigh On Wed, Jun 22, 2005, Chuck Israels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I speak with MM people for time to time and encourage them to buy Bill Duncan's beautiful chords (and a few other niceties from his packages) and include them in Finale. All I can say is that they do seem to listen to me and at least consider what I suggest. Until then, Eric, I suggest biting the bullet and buying Bill's chords for $40. They are really nice. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Test Message
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Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet
Hi Chuck, Chris, et al, I think Chris's point (with which I emphatically agree) is that it's a little perplexing as to why Gary felt the need to include so many exotic saxophones -- sopranino; both curved and straight soprano (neither is exotic, obviously, but the difference in tone between them is negligible); both mezzo-soprano and C-melody; bass, contrabass, *and* subcontrabass saxophones -- in favor of more commonly-used instruments. We all agree that bass clarinet is an absolute necessity, and so I'm VERY VERY grateful that Chuck was able to pull some strings to make that happen. But I can think of several instruments that would make more sense for this library than, say, subcontrabass saxophone. None of them are absolutely glaring omissions like the bass clarinet was, but I'd certainly be willing to forgo all of the rare saxophones (even sopranino, a personal favorite of mine) in exchange for any of the following: • a mallet kit (it currently has only sticks and brushes) • modern electric guitar with chorus and volume pedal • acoustic guitar • Hammond organ • solo voice (oohs and aahs) • French horn • tuba • solo violin (jazz player) • accordion • oboe/English horn Obviously, many of these aren't a problem for me personally since I already own the orchestra GPO (as do Chuck and Chris), and so I can mix and match freely. It's just a little -- well, *weird* -- that Gary thought it was worth the time and expense to track down and sample all those rare saxophones instead of including instruments that are much more useful to working jazz arrangers and composers. (Not to mention much more likely to be available in a real-life playing situation!) I know there's a certain geekish satisfaction in shipping such a thorough saxophone library, but it's almost like Gary believed If I just include mezzo-soprano saxophone, no one will notice the lack of bass clarinet. But again, I'm very happy Chuck was able to set him straight on that -- and I'm definitely looking forward to the library. It will certainly be fun to mess around with a sax quartet consisting of sopranino, mezzo-soprano, C-melody and subcontrabass saxophones. Not very productive, but definitely fun. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 Jun 2005, at 8:31 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I have written countless times for banjo, accordian, French horn, tuba, and jazz violin in jazz contexts (none of which are present in the GPO jazz collection) Of course, so have I (some, anyway - French Horn, the most often), but as you seem to reasonably understand things (and as I do), none of these are standard doubles in a normal jazz band, so I wouldn't think they'd need inclusion. If those instruments are needed, then I understand the organization of the GPO marketing that would put them in the orchestra library and not include them in the jazz sounds. Anyway, that's how it makes sense to me. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2006
I am far more interested in whether existing bugs have been fixed than in new features. The web site lists new features. Is there a list somewhere of things that were broken in Finale2005 but have been fixed in Finale2006? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2006
Fully agreed. After working beautifully forthe first few months, I gradually and incrementally lost the proper functionality of the 2004 Smart Page Turn Plug-In. Countless phone calls and e-mails to Finale Support and innumerable fruitless suggestions from them over the period of many months produced absolutely NO fix whatsoever; this has been a maddening thorn in my side ever since. It's (perhaps) a relatively small thing, but the amount of wasted time and effort which has resulted from the need to edit EVERY single page turn of EVERY single part ofEVERY single work prepared from a full orchestral score is nothing less than galling. Why should I throw more money into a program which doesn't have sufficient tech support to keep it fully operational AS MARKETED? How do I know that all these 'wonderful' new nebulous features won't go kaput a few weeks down the line? Okay; sorry for the screed, but now I have to get back to fixing more $^#%(@* parts. Les Les MarsdenFounding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony OrchestraMusic and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!! http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.htmlhttp://www.sierratel.com/mcf/nprc/mso.htm - Original Message - From: Richard Yates To: Coda Finale Support ; Finale list Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: [Finale] Finale 2006 I am far more interested in whether existing bugs have been fixed than innew features. The web site lists new features. Is there a list somewhere ofthings that were broken in Finale2005 but have been fixed in Finale2006?Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet
Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Darcy, I haven't asked Gary, but I think what probably happened was that he simply ran into a saxophone player/collector who had all this stuff and who convinced Gary to take the time to record them all. All of what you write below makes sense to me, but I have another concern about this collection, and that is who played the instruments. There are so many variations in saxophone sound that I hope he got someone who is at least actually a real jazz player. I don't know who he got, or what he sounds like, but I'd forgo some instruments in favor of a tenor sound I could relate to (and there are many of them). Imagine - Wayne Shorter, or Lew Tabackin - big difference, and both beautiful, but who knows who Gary got. I do not get the idea that he is very jazz savvy. So we will simply have to wait and see, and whatever it is, it will be far better than what I am now saddled with - dumb GM or GPO bassoons that run out of range and sound rather wrong anyway. Hmmm... can you imagine a sax section of all Stan Getz'? (What's the plural of Getz?) Or maybe all Steve Kupka? Phil Woods? We'll know the technology is mature when you can build a section from specific player samples. cd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet
Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Chris, et al, I think Chris's point (with which I emphatically agree) is that it's a little perplexing as to why Gary felt the need to include so many exotic saxophones -- sopranino; both curved and straight soprano (neither is exotic, obviously, but the difference in tone between them is negligible); both mezzo-soprano and C-melody; bass, contrabass, *and* subcontrabass saxophones -- in favor of more commonly-used instruments. Well, I think the soprano saxes are ok, as there are differences in tone, but who even owns a C-melody now? I've played in many, many pro jazz bands, and I've never seen doubles on C-Melody, bass, contrabass, and subcontra. The only thing I've ever seen SOME of those on was a production of West Side Story, where there is actually a Bb Bass saxophone part. We all agree that bass clarinet is an absolute necessity, and so I'm VERY VERY grateful that Chuck was able to pull some strings to make that happen. But I can think of several instruments that would make more sense for this library than, say, subcontrabass saxophone. None of them are absolutely glaring omissions like the bass clarinet was, but I'd certainly be willing to forgo all of the rare saxophones (even sopranino, a personal favorite of mine) in exchange for any of the following: • a mallet kit (it currently has only sticks and brushes) • modern electric guitar with chorus and volume pedal • acoustic guitar • Hammond organ • solo voice (oohs and aahs) • French horn • tuba • solo violin (jazz player) • accordion • oboe/English horn I'd say Tuba, French Horn, Fender Rhodes, Mallets, acoustic/electric guitar. Honestly, there are Hammond Organ programs out there. I don't think we really need it, and I think it's more common in a Jazz Band setting to have a Fender Rhodes than a B3. Jazz violin? Solo Voice? I think the library needs to cover the basics. Trumpets with all the mutes. Saxophones (soprano, alto, tenor, bari), and saxophone doubles (piccolo, flute, alto flute, Bb Clarinet, Bb Bass Clarinet), trombones with all the mutes, Tuba, standard jazz drum set, a good acoustic piano, a good fender rhodes, an acoustic guitar, an electric guitar, acoustic and electric bass, and vibes. I think all the other stuff is not really necessary. The model should be Jazz Bands. Think Toshiko, Buddy Rich, Gordon Goodwin, Bob Florance, and perhaps Stan Kenton. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Jazz + B. Clarinet
Steel guitar acoustic and electric. Think about 1920s-30s jazz/swing. -Adriel on 6/23/05 1:09 AM, Eric Dannewitz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Chris, et al, I think Chris's point (with which I emphatically agree) is that it's a little perplexing as to why Gary felt the need to include so many exotic saxophones -- sopranino; both curved and straight soprano (neither is exotic, obviously, but the difference in tone between them is negligible); both mezzo-soprano and C-melody; bass, contrabass, *and* subcontrabass saxophones -- in favor of more commonly-used instruments. Well, I think the soprano saxes are ok, as there are differences in tone, but who even owns a C-melody now? I've played in many, many pro jazz bands, and I've never seen doubles on C-Melody, bass, contrabass, and subcontra. The only thing I've ever seen SOME of those on was a production of West Side Story, where there is actually a Bb Bass saxophone part. We all agree that bass clarinet is an absolute necessity, and so I'm VERY VERY grateful that Chuck was able to pull some strings to make that happen. But I can think of several instruments that would make more sense for this library than, say, subcontrabass saxophone. None of them are absolutely glaring omissions like the bass clarinet was, but I'd certainly be willing to forgo all of the rare saxophones (even sopranino, a personal favorite of mine) in exchange for any of the following: a mallet kit (it currently has only sticks and brushes) modern electric guitar with chorus and volume pedal acoustic guitar Hammond organ solo voice (oohs and aahs) French horn tuba solo violin (jazz player) accordion oboe/English horn I'd say Tuba, French Horn, Fender Rhodes, Mallets, acoustic/electric guitar. Honestly, there are Hammond Organ programs out there. I don't think we really need it, and I think it's more common in a Jazz Band setting to have a Fender Rhodes than a B3. Jazz violin? Solo Voice? I think the library needs to cover the basics. Trumpets with all the mutes. Saxophones (soprano, alto, tenor, bari), and saxophone doubles (piccolo, flute, alto flute, Bb Clarinet, Bb Bass Clarinet), trombones with all the mutes, Tuba, standard jazz drum set, a good acoustic piano, a good fender rhodes, an acoustic guitar, an electric guitar, acoustic and electric bass, and vibes. I think all the other stuff is not really necessary. The model should be Jazz Bands. Think Toshiko, Buddy Rich, Gordon Goodwin, Bob Florance, and perhaps Stan Kenton. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
