Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
Hi Kurt, There are a couple of things going on with your midi files. In one file, the export was done so there was only one multi channel track (Format 0). So, with a file like this, when you import into Finale, you have to choose Channels become Staves when the Import Midi File Options comes up in order to see each instrument on its own staff. You can also click on Set Track-to-Staff List and then click the select button next to that radio button. Then click on AutoSet to Channels and you will see each channel. There are other customizations that you can do with the latter choice In the other, the tracks were were separated out (Format 1which is the way I prefer to see things...at least when it comes to exporting a midi file out of a sequencer in order to bring it into Finale). So in this case, when you import into Finale, you would have to choose Tracks become Staves when the Import Midi File Options comes up in order to see each instrument on its own staff. You can also click on Set Track-to-Staff List and then click the select button. Then click on AutoSet to Tracks. The other issue was that while the notes were falling in the right place rhythmically, their durations were set to be very very short (002 ticks) So, unless you either change the durations in your sequencing software, or set Finale up to see very short durations upon import, you won't see any notes in Finale. To set Finale up to see these short durations, when the Import Midi File Options comes up (or you can also set this up under the Midi menuImport Midi File Options) click on Quant Settings then More Settings. There are various choices you can play with here based on your own preferences in the way you want to notate your drum parts but the important one is to set Remove Notes Smaller Than to zero and click on Convert to Real Notes. This way all those little 002 tick notes will show up. You can then edit the drum part as you would like to. You may want to experiment with some of the other settings in the Midi File Options window until you find settings you like as well for each file (i.e. smallest note value, simplify rhythms...or don't simplify rhythms etc.) You can also choose to set up percussion staves here (including a percussion map...which Christopher Smith is a whiz at doing so maybe you can pick his brain for this. :-)) Having said all this, what I would personally do is to bring those midi files into a sequencing program and clean each up there before bringing them into Finale. You can pop open the drum track in each file and set the durations to their full correct value and do any other quantizing or adjusting as needed. You can do quantizing in Finale as well but I am used to doing this in a sequencing program so that is what I use personally. You can then Save as Midi File from your sequencing program and save the file as Format 1 (All Instruments Set to Separate Tracks) and bring the new midi file into Finale. Once again, all this can be done from within Finale too if you prefer (you can change the way the tracks are set up by setting up the Midi MenuExport Midi File Options the way you want them if you want to change the midi Format from Format 1 to 0 or vice versa) Also see OptionsQuantization Settings and Mass EditRetranscribe if you want to do quantizing work in Finale. But again, if you are working only in Finale, make sure Finale will see the notes of short duration upon import. Hope this helps, Karen I was using midifiles I had downloaded from the net. When it didn't work, I experimented using Nuendo, saving and changing channels etc. Kurt At 22:12 27.02.2005, you wrote: Kurt, Which sequencing software are you exporting (or save as midi file) out of? Perhaps the problem is with the export? -K Hi, When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. Any hints? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Another Finale shortcut (OS X)
In case it's of use to anyone, I came across another Finale feature that I didn't know existed. If you hold down shift while activating Copy or Cut (maybe Paste as well?), a filter dialog comes up whereby you can select which note-attached or measure-attached elements you want to work with, i.e. for this edit. This can be quite handy I think as it will save having to go up to the Mass Edit menu. (Finale 2004) Matthew This is great Matthew! Thank you... -K ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT-Non-responsive MIDI keys
Yes. Go to Radio Shack and find a spray can of Color TV Tuner Cleaner. I have used that spray to take the static out of volume controls on my stereo and to clean and lube a few of the keys on an old computer. On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Henry Howey wrote: A couple of keys on my EDIROL PCR-31 keyboard are not making a circuit. Is there a spray or other means to (I assume) de-oxidize the contacts for a better response? -- Henry Howey, D.M.A. Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/~music/faculty/howey.html Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] backwards conversion from 2005 to 2004
Tuplets do work with this technique. How can you verify that? I used the technique on a file with a tuplet. It came through unharmed. What you basically do is to store more data for tuplets than Fin2004 is supposed to store, and you import flags that are supposed to be off. As I see it, it's always a possibility that your converted file will crash or corrupt something else or behave strangely on future Finale versions. That may very well be. I am only reporting what happened. I was responding to a poster who was in a bind by suggesting something that might help him. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] backwards conversion from 2005 to 2004
And I only bring up the caveat to warn that it might not work. ;-) It's always risky (whether it works or not at first glance is immaterial) to reverse-engineer an ETF. You never know what might happen when you open that file down the line, or run a plug-in on it, so handle at your own risk! On 3/1/05 6:52 AM, Richard Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Tuplets do work with this technique. How can you verify that? I used the technique on a file with a tuplet. It came through unharmed. What you basically do is to store more data for tuplets than Fin2004 is supposed to store, and you import flags that are supposed to be off. As I see it, it's always a possibility that your converted file will crash or corrupt something else or behave strangely on future Finale versions. That may very well be. I am only reporting what happened. I was responding to a poster who was in a bind by suggesting something that might help him. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
On Mar 1, 2005, at 3:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kurt, There are a couple of things going on with your midi files. Kurt, Karen is the all-knowing, all-seeing queen of MIDI files. She nailed exactly what was going on, and then some. There is nothing I can add to what she said, except to genuflect in her direction, mouth agape in wonder. You can also choose to set up percussion staves here (including a percussion map...which Christopher Smith is a whiz at doing so maybe you can pick his brain for this. :-) Aww, shucks again! Actually, I am no whiz, I just waded through the documentation with a pith helmet and a machete. Seriously, all you have to remember is to check the Use these notes button, and the rest is messing around until it works. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
Hi Karen, At 09:00 01.03.2005, you wrote: the important one is to set Remove Notes Smaller Than to zero and click on Convert to Real Notes. This did the trick! Thank you very much. I had a look at the midi files in nuendo's editor, but found nothing special. Never suspected the note lengths. Thanks again and cheers Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
On Mar 1, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: Hi Christopher, At 16:44 01.03.2005, you wrote: Karen is the all-knowing, all-seeing queen of MIDI files. She nailed exactly what was going on, and then some. There is nothing I can add to what she said, except to genuflect in her direction, mouth agape in wonder. Yeah, I guess you're right (*genuflect*)...;-) To which I add another (*genuflect*) Aww, shucks again! Actually, I am no whiz, I just waded through the documentation with a pith helmet and a machete. Seriously, all you have to remember is to check the Use these notes button, and the rest is messing around until it works. The general midi drums setting works quite fine for me. I only had to define an other note head for the open hihat, the rest worked right away... Glad to hear it! See, everyone, there ISN'T such a big deal to it! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] backwards conversion from 2005 to 2004
On Mar 1, 2005, at 12:39 PM, d. collins wrote: If MakeMusic would consider giving us backwards compatibility (at least one version), no one would one have to run that kind of risk. But, after reading the interviews on Jari's site, I realize the chances of seeing this are more than slim. Too bad. Finale is one of the very rare programs to change its format every year and to offer no backwards compatibility. A real nuisance, in my opinion. This seems to be a marketing strategy to prompt users to upgrade. I'm convinced it backfires in many cases, especially for those working with people who used localized versions. I'm convinced it has nothing to do with marketing, and everything to do with the format actually NEEDING to change as they add new features, plus a lack of programming funding since the user base is so small. Nothing Machiavellian going on here, I'm sure. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tied note starting a coda
On Feb 27, 2005, at 11:38 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Feb 26, 2005, at 4:38 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Greetings collected wisdom. I know how to start a second ending with a tied note, but how do I start a coda with a tied note? The note in question is both tied over from the previous measure AND tied to the next measure, so my old kludge of tying it right then editing the tie in Special Tools to go backwards won't work. Create a unison in a second layer, tie both notes and kludge one of them. Thanks, Andrew, that seems to be the easiest solution. I just heard back from Gary in MacSupport; and that was the solution he suggests as well. I answered back that perhaps opt = on the Mac should create a backwards tie on ANY note, whether or not it starts a second ending. This would be a Martha Stewart-like Good Thing, IMHO. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FYI
On Mar 1, 2005, at 5:51 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: the shape designer can hold at least 11488 shapes... in case you wanted to know. i didn't particularly want to know, but just got a new score to work on, containing hundreds upon hundreds of copies of the same metatool-assigned articulations and shape expressions. HOLY METATOOL, BATMAN! That has to be a new record! chuckle I would send that one on to MacSupport, just for a laugh. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] backwards conversion from 2005 to 2004
When you read part of what I wrote, please understand that instead of when the smallest hard easily available is at least 60 GIG I intended to write when the smallest hard drive easily availble is at least 60 GB. I know that it is still possible to find smaller drives, but last time I was in a computer store, 40 GB was the absolute smallest they had available (except for some recycled 1 GB drives for $10.00 each, as is) and that was through the service department, as a replacement part. The smallest new drive in retail packaging was 60, and these appeared to be close to downgrading to service department too. If you've got 200 GB of hard drive, you're not going to use it all, and I can't see any good reason not to keep (or re-install) your old versions. The only conflict I've ever run into is that it seems you can't have MIDI capabilities in both versions. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Sibelius partners with SFJAZZ
FWIW, I got this in my inbox just now: http://www.sibelius.com/news/press45.html - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale Interface, palettes
I have a particular view on the interface, I'm wondering how much empathy there is out there for the same ideas. I'll just say what I think, feel free to disagree. Professional applications don't need multiple choices of icons types, or different desktop choices. One simple, well designed set of icons would suffice. The whole rosewood desktop and vellum paper idea borrowed from sibelius is totally unnecessary and just bloats the app. I think it actually 'cheapens' the application. You don't see options like these in Photoshop or ProTools. The finale interface is just too big, the palettes could be a lot smaller. I'd like to see some effort go into some of the ideas used by Adobe - clickable palettese drawers that zoom back to just tabs on the screen, palettese wells that can hold clusters of paletteses that expand on mouse-over. Docking paletteses. All this would add to screen real estate and make the application more useable rather than merely customisable. If I set up all the current icons on screen they take up a massive amount of space! Customising should be about ergonomics, not style. I don't know how many of you have used Indesign - I've been using it a lot recently and every time I go back to Finale the whole interface feels ... well ... 1980's! -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Interface, palettes
Simon Troup wrote: I have a particular view on the interface, I'm wondering how much empathy there is out there for the same ideas. I'll just say what I think, feel free to disagree. Professional applications don't need multiple choices of icons types, or different desktop choices. One simple, well designed set of icons would suffice. The whole rosewood desktop and vellum paper idea borrowed from sibelius is totally unnecessary and just bloats the app. I think it actually 'cheapens' the application. You don't see options like these in Photoshop or ProTools. The finale interface is just too big, the palettes could be a lot smaller. I'd like to see some effort go into some of the ideas used by Adobe - clickable palettese drawers that zoom back to just tabs on the screen, palettese wells that can hold clusters of paletteses that expand on mouse-over. Docking paletteses. All this would add to screen real estate and make the application more useable rather than merely customisable. If I set up all the current icons on screen they take up a massive amount of space! Customising should be about ergonomics, not style. I don't know how many of you have used Indesign - I've been using it a lot recently and every time I go back to Finale the whole interface feels ... well ... 1980's! WHile I generally agree, I can say you should be glad you never had to use any of Kai Krause's applications. Bryce and Kai's Power Tools especially come to mind as being terrible interfaces. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Interface, palettes
Simon Troup wrote: paletteses Ah yes, another wonderful search/replace fiasco :) And, apparently, Gollum's dialogue coach. :) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
