Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
On Mar 16, 2005, at 7:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working with the demo version of F2005, which does not include any documentation or online help (stupidly, if I may say so). If I want to delete the contents of e.g. layer 4 in a given part, In Finale 2002 I'm used to being able to select that layer and then selecting Show Active Layer Only from the view menu. This allows me to select the music in question and then use backspace to remove the contents of that layer. The contents of other layers remain unaffected. The Show Active Layer Only is no more, apparently. So how do I select a single layer to clear its contents? Simply selecting the layer and then the music in question still removes the contents in all layers when I hit backspace. Thanks, JC Show Active Layer Only is still there. It's in Options menu now, that's all. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Show Active Layer Only is no more, apparently. In Fin2005 it was moved to the Options menu, since it was misleading to have it in the View menu (it's an option that's stored in the document, it affects editing and printing). Bwst regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Moving ain't as bad as all that -- it has auto search and remember -- no big deal. What the heck is EWQLSO? Jerry On 16-Mar-05, at 2:21 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Johannes Gebauer / 05.3.14 / 05:15 PM wrote: Not that I know anyhting about GPO, but perhaps you are on an earlier System version (that is, Mac OS X version, not GPO version) than GPO supports? VST directory was present even with Preview-3, which was two versions before OSX Public Preview. Darcy James Argue / 05.3.14 / 04:48 PM wrote: Once you've installed any GPO components, DO NOT MOVE THEM from their default locations. Woa! Sounds like Windows! Sorry, I couldn't help it. You must think I have an agenda to bash GPO, but I am merely concerned by reading reports on this list and debating what to do when Jazz Set comes out, which I have been looking for. So, what happens if you _need to_ move components after initial install? Can you hack into plist like you do in Win Registry? I want to ask this again. Is there anyone using EWQLSO with Finale? No? Kinda weird... -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Gerald Berg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
Jari Williamsson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Show Active Layer Only is no more, apparently. In Fin2005 it was moved to the Options menu, since it was misleading to have it in the View menu (it's an option that's stored in the document, it affects editing and printing). Bwst regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale If it's called show it should be in the View menu. Since it has many more functions, it ought to be renamed to Work on and Display Active Layer Only and then I wouldn't have any objection to it being in the Options menu. Everything else in the View menu is an Option and some can affect printing as well (colors, for instance), so why not include them ALL in the Options menu? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
dhbailey wrote: Everything else in the View menu is an Option and some can affect printing as well (colors, for instance), so why not include them ALL in the Options menu? Colors are not stored in the document and they don't affect editing. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Gerald Berg / 05.3.16 / 08:24 AM wrote: What the heck is EWQLSO? It is _the_ direct competitor of GPO, and user claims NI Kontakt player works better with it than GPO: http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=EW-155 -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
I wrote: It is _the_ direct competitor of GPO, and user claims NI Kontakt player works better with it than GPO: http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=EW-155 Sorry. The direct competition price wise is this version: http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=EW-161 :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Gay Merman Tattoo
http://gorillamask.net/gaytattoo.shtml - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
On Mar 16, 2005, at 5:43 AM, dhbailey wrote: If it's called show it should be in the View menu. Kinds seems that way to me too. Since it has many more functions, it ought to be renamed to Work on and Display Active Layer Only and then I wouldn't have any objection to it being in the Options menu. This too, makes sense to me. Of course, it doesn't matter, as long as one can find it. I just think it will be easier for those who are looking for it for the first time, if the name seems to agree with the menu location. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Gary Garritan and Tom Hopkins (the person who does the editing and preparation of the samples) were here yesterday recording string bass sounds for the GPO jazz library. They are working on a delivery date for sometime this spring, but it seems to me that summer might be more realistic. I did get the sense that MM is also working on tighter integration w/Kontact and GPO. I have no official inside dope, but this seems to be the way things are going, and I thought it might be useful for people to know. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Gay Merman Tattoo
Oh crap. I didn't intend to send that to the list *at all*. Hopefully people are amused and not offended... Apologies, all. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Gay Merman Tattoo
Don't worry, Darcy-- we've all done inadvertent things But odd; it doesn't look athing like Ethel Merman... Best, Les Les MarsdenFounding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony OrchestraMusic and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!! http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.htmlhttp://www.sierratel.com/mcf/nprc/mso.htm - Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Gay Merman Tattoo Oh crap. I didn't intend to send that to the list *at all*. Hopefully people are amused and not offended... Apologies, all.- Darcy-[EMAIL PROTECTED]Brooklyn, NY___Finale mailing listFinale@shsu.eduhttp://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
On Mar 16, 2005, at 5:43 AM, dhbailey wrote: If it's called show it should be in the View menu. Agreed, but I'd say it shouldn't be called show. The change makes sense. This change should have been near the top of the what's new in v2k5 message. They still do that, right? The real purpose of a what's new should be to warn longtime users of things like this that have been rearranged and cause confusion. Unfortunately, many companies can't resist using it as yet another advertisement for new added features instead. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
Mark D Lew wrote: On Mar 16, 2005, at 5:43 AM, dhbailey wrote: If it's called show it should be in the View menu. Agreed, but I'd say it shouldn't be called show. The change makes sense. I think the issue might be that it's still called Show Active Layer Only, despite the move to the Options menu in Fin2005. So if it was renamed Options/Active Layer Only, everything would make a bit more sense. I personally think it's a bad UI approach to use as many verbs in the menus as Finale currently does. Like View/Show Grids would be equally clear if it was named View/Grids, wouldn't it? As a comparison, the menu doesn't say View/Display Scroll View but View/Scroll View. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] moving TABs faulty
I just did a transcription of the guitars in Average White Band's Cut The Cake... However, when I copied the TABs that I had set up for playability and sound into a new file I noticed that all this information was lost: Finale just assigned the lowest frets possible instead of leaving them as they were. Hi I've been in touch MM about this some time and they've assured me it is in the bug database. HOWEVER ... if you want anything actually done about it you must contact them and tell them that you need it fixed, the more people who do so, the more likely it will happen. You probably already know this, I have to reiterate though because I *really* need this fixed! -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
but I'd say it shouldn't be called show. The change makes sense. Other applications such as DP calls such view filter, you filter out data you don't want to mess with. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
On 16 Mar 2005 at 9:29, Mark D Lew wrote: On Mar 16, 2005, at 5:43 AM, dhbailey wrote: If it's called show it should be in the View menu. Agreed, but I'd say it shouldn't be called show. The change makes sense. I don't quite understand why a command must exist on only one menu, especially one like this that has effects at multiple levels. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] GPO Studio
Chuck, How nice to know that you will be my bassist when I go out and do a clinic!! Once the GPJO package comes out I will be switching to it from my mix of eMu and Edirol stuff... Your presence will be intimidating but stimulating! ;-) Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chuck Israels Sent: Wed 16-Mar-05 10:28 To: finale@SHSU.EDU Cc: Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Gary Garritan and Tom Hopkins (the person who does the editing and preparation of the samples) were here yesterday recording string bass sounds for the GPO jazz library. They are working on a delivery date for sometime this spring, but it seems to me that summer might be more realistic. I did get the sense that MM is also working on tighter integration w/Kontact and GPO. I have no official inside dope, but this seems to be the way things are going, and I thought it might be useful for people to know. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Thanks Jim, It was interesting to learn how the GPO people view the sampling parameters - what they seem to be including, and what elements are excluded in favor of simplicity and practical use. How much will be left of the expressive elements remains to be seen (heard). My sense is that while Tom Hopkins will exert considerable effort to make the bass sound realistic in terms of the natural noises and nuances, and things like the way the ear would experience the decay of a percussive sound, there are many things that will be intentionally and necessarily left out. It is not their intention to create software that attempts to replace human performance - just to make it practical to hear an informative approximation of a score. The arco samples were done unnaturally without vibrato - very strange to play that way. Then Tom had me play a set with vibrato, which he will then analyze and reproduce digitally, introducing it back into the sound samples. I'm sure some things will represent improvements - consistency of intonation and attack - things like that, but other nice human things will necessarily be missing. I'll be curious to hear how much it will sound like my playing, and it will surely be fun to play my own Finale bass parts. And if one might be intimidated by my playing, then it's lucky they couldn't get Ray Brown or Mingus! :) Chuck On Mar 16, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: Chuck, How nice to know that you will be my bassist when I go out and do a clinic!! Once the GPJO package comes out I will be switching to it from my mix of eMu and Edirol stuff... Your presence will be intimidating but stimulating! ;-) Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chuck Israels Sent: Wed 16-Mar-05 10:28 To: finale@SHSU.EDU Cc: Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Gary Garritan and Tom Hopkins (the person who does the editing and preparation of the samples) were here yesterday recording string bass sounds for the GPO jazz library. They are working on a delivery date for sometime this spring, but it seems to me that summer might be more realistic. I did get the sense that MM is also working on tighter integration w/Kontact and GPO. I have no official inside dope, but this seems to be the way things are going, and I thought it might be useful for people to know. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com winmail.dat>___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Chuck Israels / 05.3.16 / 02:26 PM wrote: And if one might be intimidated by my playing, then it's lucky they couldn't get Ray Brown or Mingus! :) If you are playing for GPO, I will be buying it! P.S. My boss, George Russell said hi :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Hiro, Nice votes of confidence coming here - thanks. I hope George continues to have energy and enthusiasm for his work as we both mellow a little. Please give him my fond regards. Chuck On Mar 16, 2005, at 11:38 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Chuck Israels / 05.3.16 / 02:26 PM wrote: And if one might be intimidated by my playing, then it's lucky they couldn't get Ray Brown or Mingus! :) If you are playing for GPO, I will be buying it! P.S. My boss, George Russell said hi :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com> http://anonemusic.com> ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
Jari Williamsson wrote: dhbailey wrote: Everything else in the View menu is an Option and some can affect printing as well (colors, for instance), so why not include them ALL in the Options menu? Colors are not stored in the document and they don't affect editing. View Active Layer isn't stored in the document, either. I just think it needs a new name, since it isn't just for viewing anything, it's for working on specific layers without affecting other layers. I really don't care where they put it as long as I can find it. Just splitting hairs. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
Just an aside to this thread- someone mentioned colours. Often when looking on screen at a score- or especially a short score, I am aware of how useful it is to have, say, the 'lead' line, or a counter melody, in a colour. (Or even an obscure entry.) Even a Solo passage in a part. Obviously, use the layer colours. I know it wouldn't work under all circumstances- I did a gig in London where all markings, (in red ink,) vanished under pit lights!! Question, can Finale be printed in colours? If so how? if not, why not? Cheers - Happy Saint Pats!! Keith in OZ Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 6:49 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer Jari Williamsson wrote: dhbailey wrote: Everything else in the View menu is an Option and some can affect printing as well (colors, for instance), so why not include them ALL in the Options menu? Colors are not stored in the document and they don't affect editing. View Active Layer isn't stored in the document, either. I just think it needs a new name, since it isn't just for viewing anything, it's for working on specific layers without affecting other layers. I really don't care where they put it as long as I can find it. Just splitting hairs. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 15/03/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 15/03/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
Keith Helgesen wrote: Just an aside to this thread- someone mentioned colours. Often when looking on screen at a score- or especially a short score, I am aware of how useful it is to have, say, the 'lead' line, or a counter melody, in a colour. (Or even an obscure entry.) Even a Solo passage in a part. Obviously, use the layer colours. I know it wouldn't work under all circumstances- I did a gig in London where all markings, (in red ink,) vanished under pit lights!! Question, can Finale be printed in colours? If so how? if not, why not? Yes -- you can print the displayed colors. It's an option in the Print dialog. It's been possible for a few versions now, but I can't remember which version introduced it. Finale's colors only work for layers (you can have a different color for each layer, but that color is the same for all notes in that layer on all staves) but you could do what you are describing easily enough in Finale. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
dhbailey wrote: View Active Layer isn't stored in the document, either. On my Fin2005 at least, Show Active Layer Only is stored with the document. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] moving TABs faulty
Thanks! I see that I'm not alone with this problem and I will contact coda. I hope they won't take as long as fixings EPS export, though... Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
Jari Williamsson wrote: dhbailey wrote: View Active Layer isn't stored in the document, either. On my Fin2005 at least, Show Active Layer Only is stored with the document. You are correct, my mistake. What ISN'T saved is that it doesn't open the document with the layer you had active when you saved the document as the current active layer. It always comes up with Layer 1 active. So what's the point? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Hi Chuck, Actually, you will find, when you get up and running with GPO, that there is an option to vary the intonation and attack from note to note (if desired). While Garritan recommends using these only on situations like double- or triple-tongued brass notes (to avoid that fake machine-gun synth sound), I actually find it helps tremendously to leave a certain amount of variation on all the time -- up to 5% pitch variation and 15% attack variation. Thanks for posting about your experience recording the samples! - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Mar 2005, at 2:26 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Thanks Jim, It was interesting to learn how the GPO people view the sampling parameters - what they seem to be including, and what elements are excluded in favor of simplicity and practical use. How much will be left of the expressive elements remains to be seen (heard). My sense is that while Tom Hopkins will exert considerable effort to make the bass sound realistic in terms of the natural noises and nuances, and things like the way the ear would experience the decay of a percussive sound, there are many things that will be intentionally and necessarily left out. It is not their intention to create software that attempts to replace human performance - just to make it practical to hear an informative approximation of a score. The arco samples were done unnaturally without vibrato - very strange to play that way. Then Tom had me play a set with vibrato, which he will then analyze and reproduce digitally, introducing it back into the sound samples. I'm sure some things will represent improvements - consistency of intonation and attack - things like that, but other nice human things will necessarily be missing. I'll be curious to hear how much it will sound like my playing, and it will surely be fun to play my own Finale bass parts. And if one might be intimidated by my playing, then it's lucky they couldn't get Ray Brown or Mingus! :) Chuck On Mar 16, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: Chuck, How nice to know that you will be my bassist when I go out and do a clinic!! Once the GPJO package comes out I will be switching to it from my mix of eMu and Edirol stuff... Your presence will be intimidating but stimulating! ;-) Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chuck Israels Sent: Wed 16-Mar-05 10:28 To: finale@SHSU.EDU Cc: Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Gary Garritan and Tom Hopkins (the person who does the editing and preparation of the samples) were here yesterday recording string bass sounds for the GPO jazz library. They are working on a delivery date for sometime this spring, but it seems to me that summer might be more realistic. I did get the sense that MM is also working on tighter integration w/Kontact and GPO. I have no official inside dope, but this seems to be the way things are going, and I thought it might be useful for people to know. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Hi Darcy, Well, I have GPO loaded - and the GPO Studio is running (opened before opening Finale), so here's the question: what do you think I should use until the jazz sounds arrive? It is my impression that you cannot mix these sounds and GM sounds. Is that correct? Any help you can offer in this regard would be appreciated. I did read in the GPO manual about the random variability options. It's good to know what you think about how much of that to use. Thanks, Chuck On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Actually, you will find, when you get up and running with GPO, that there is an option to vary the intonation and attack from note to note (if desired). While Garritan recommends using these only on situations like double- or triple-tongued brass notes (to avoid that fake machine-gun synth sound), I actually find it helps tremendously to leave a certain amount of variation on all the time -- up to 5% pitch variation and 15% attack variation. Thanks for posting about your experience recording the samples! - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Mar 2005, at 2:26 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Thanks Jim, It was interesting to learn how the GPO people view the sampling parameters - what they seem to be including, and what elements are excluded in favor of simplicity and practical use. How much will be left of the expressive elements remains to be seen (heard). My sense is that while Tom Hopkins will exert considerable effort to make the bass sound realistic in terms of the natural noises and nuances, and things like the way the ear would experience the decay of a percussive sound, there are many things that will be intentionally and necessarily left out. It is not their intention to create software that attempts to replace human performance - just to make it practical to hear an informative approximation of a score. The arco samples were done unnaturally without vibrato - very strange to play that way. Then Tom had me play a set with vibrato, which he will then analyze and reproduce digitally, introducing it back into the sound samples. I'm sure some things will represent improvements - consistency of intonation and attack - things like that, but other nice human things will necessarily be missing. I'll be curious to hear how much it will sound like my playing, and it will surely be fun to play my own Finale bass parts. And if one might be intimidated by my playing, then it's lucky they couldn't get Ray Brown or Mingus! :) Chuck On Mar 16, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: Chuck, How nice to know that you will be my bassist when I go out and do a clinic!! Once the GPJO package comes out I will be switching to it from my mix of eMu and Edirol stuff... Your presence will be intimidating but stimulating! ;-) Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chuck Israels Sent: Wed 16-Mar-05 10:28 To: finale@SHSU.EDU Cc: Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Gary Garritan and Tom Hopkins (the person who does the editing and preparation of the samples) were here yesterday recording string bass sounds for the GPO jazz library. They are working on a delivery date for sometime this spring, but it seems to me that summer might be more realistic. I did get the sense that MM is also working on tighter integration w/Kontact and GPO. I have no official inside dope, but this seems to be the way things are going, and I thought it might be useful for people to know. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com winmail.dat>___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer
Of course, it doesn't matter, as long as one can find it. The Menu per se does not matter at all. What does matter is the shortcut. I have been doing Alt-V-A so long that it is a natural no-look move with my left hand. Now, apparently only for reasons of foolish consistency to help berginners, it has been changed to the Options Menu which makes the shortcut Alt-O-A. This combination is impossible with one hand. For me the change is an affront to experienced users. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Alt-v-a
Amazing what you learn when reading threads for interest only! I never knew about Alt-v-a- Wonderful! I really will find that useful- Sure beats pulling down the menu! How does one locate all these shortcuts, macros etc? (Still on Fin2001 BTW) Cheers K in OZ Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Yates Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 1:11 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] removing contents of a single layer Of course, it doesn't matter, as long as one can find it. The Menu per se does not matter at all. What does matter is the shortcut. I have been doing Alt-V-A so long that it is a natural no-look move with my left hand. Now, apparently only for reasons of foolish consistency to help berginners, it has been changed to the Options Menu which makes the shortcut Alt-O-A. This combination is impossible with one hand. For me the change is an affront to experienced users. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 15/03/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 15/03/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Alt-v-a
At 10:03 PM 03/16/2005, Keith Helgesen wrote: I never knew about Alt-v-a- Wonderful! I really will find that useful- Sure beats pulling down the menu! How does one locate all these shortcuts, macros etc? (Still on Fin2001 BTW) These are standard Windows shortcuts. In Windows, in any application, pressing Alt activates the menu bar. You can then navigate through any menus by pressing the underlined letter for the menu item you want. This is often the first letter of the item, but not always. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Alt-v-a
On 17 Mar 2005 at 14:03, Keith Helgesen wrote: Amazing what you learn when reading threads for interest only! I never knew about Alt-v-a- Wonderful! I really will find that useful- Sure beats pulling down the menu! How does one locate all these shortcuts, macros etc? (Still on Fin2001 BTW) Standard Microsoft practice is that the shortcuts for menus and menu items are underlined. This has been the case since the very first version of Windows, nearly 20 years ago. It's standard UI for EVERY WINDOWS PROGRAM EVER that uses the recommended conventions. Striking the ALT key activates the menu, and then striking any underlined letter in the menu will pull down the respective menu. Once that's visible, you can see the underlines on all menu items. I've never understood why this is not more universally known, as it's always been there. I know that back in the days where I was giving lots of training sessions for people converting for the first time from DOS to Windows that I had to point this out and show people how it worked, but what I found was that, in general, people would mouse it or they'd keyboard it -- they generally didn't like to mix it up. Me, well, I've always used mouse for some things and keyboard for others, depending on which seems easier. Of course, I also touch type at around 100 words per minute, so moving my hand away from the keyboard to the mouse and then back again does not disorient me at all. Without thinking I can get back in position, helped by the little nubbin on the J key. Of course, I once sat down at a keyboard and kept mis-typing all the letters on my right hand. I finally realized that the nubbin on that keyboard was on the H key instead of the J! Until that point, I'd never consciously even noticed that I paid any attention to it. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Alt-v-a
David W. Fenton / 05.3.16 / 10:30 PM wrote: I've never understood why this is not more universally known, as it's always been there. Because it doesn't apply to non English versions? What's interesting is that Japanese Windows uses English version's shortcut keys, while Traditional Chinese, Simplified Chinese, and Korean uses totally odd shortcut keys beyond ones expectation :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] moving TABs faulty
I'll second the copy-ignores-edits bug. Also, when I work with layers, Finale's TAB default will often put two notes on one string. Layer 2 is not aware that layer 1 has already placed a note on that string. The internal logic should be layer 1 takes precedence over layer 2. Then if I put high pitches in layer 1, layer 2 (lower pitches) would be bumped to lower pitched strings. This would serve us better than the current lack of layer-awareness. The copy-ignores-edits bug and the two-notes-on-one-string bug are real time wasters. John On Mar 16, 2005, at 12:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 7 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:44:08 -0500 From: John Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] moving TABs faulty To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This is why I still use Finale 2001 for tablature, for the most part. Consider a simple 3-note G chord, G/B/G should be 3/0/0 on the first three strings. Finale wants to render it as 3/x/4/5. OK, I can edit that to 3/0/0. When I drag copy/paste the edit is untouched, but when I command-C/command-V copy and paste (on Mac), it reverts to its default. And of course, to paste or insert into a new file, that's the only way to go. It was this way in 2003, and it's _still_ this way in 2005. Unbelievable! John Roberts On 3/15/05 2:53 PM, Kurt Gnos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just did a transcription of the guitars in Average White Band's Cut The Cake... However, when I copied the TABs that I had set up for playability and sound into a new file I noticed that all this information was lost: Finale just assigned the lowest frets possible instead of leaving them as they were. So I had to print them from the original file separately instead of just extracting all parts in the new arrangement. Or I would have had to set them up again from scratch. This is rather disappoining - Anyone else who had the same problem? Is there a work around or solution? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
