Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
The French Publisher, Durand, has engraving information on a lot of their music. Small and on the final page. respectfully, Michael - Original Message - From: dc den...@free.fr To: finale@shsu.edu, finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:12:13 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist David W. Fenton écrit: In modern times, I don't think it's ever done for commercial engraving, but for custom engraving I don't see any reason why the credit shouldn't be there. I have many modern editions with the name of the engraver - true, they are all of early music, so perhaps they are following historical models! Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
I was an editor for Word Music in the 90's and we credited the engraver on the inside title sheet. They still do, as do similar publishers. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2010, at 1:12 AM, dc den...@free.fr wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: In modern times, I don't think it's ever done for commercial engraving, but for custom engraving I don't see any reason why the credit shouldn't be there. I have many modern editions with the name of the engraver - true, they are all of early music, so perhaps they are following historical models! Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Mr Chuck Israels who writes in this list is the same Chuck Israels that played with Bill Evans and John Coltrane?
I am Italian, I play saxophones and clarinet (jazz and blues) and I am a singer/arranger in a couple of choral ensembles. Only recently I guessed that the person who signs as Chuck Israels on this list could be THAT Chuck Israels. Wow! It's a real pleasure. I read about another Chuck Israels who sang for a while in Swingle Singers but I think it is a case of homonymy (or it was you again?). It's great to read from all of you, Finale users! Regards Chuck Israels ha scritto: Everyone has to be somewhere! This list is a good place to be in cyberspace. I've made friends, been helped many times, been helpful not often enough, and usually enjoy reading the exchange of communication among intelligent and generous people. I've rekindled old relationships and made new ones, even planned trips in which visits with list members have been included - some having come to fruition, others not yet. I'd be a little more lonely (and maybe more looney!) without this communication - and I'd drop off in an instant, if it became a blog. I'm happy to read emails and respond when I like, but dealing with a blog or forum is a step or two too convoluted for me. Now I am curious. Where are you, Marcello? Chuck On Mar 29, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Marcello Noia wrote: Pardon my curiosity :) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
Rich Caldwell wrote: The composer of a piece I'm currently working on said I should put my name on the last page of the score to credit myself as the engraver. My first reaction was that engravers don't normally do this, but I might be assuming incorrectly. After all, if I'm wrong, I could lose out on future work, and I don't want that. I know it would depend on the size of the project and its purpose, but say it's a complex large orchestral score of a new piece, not being published at this point, just performed — do you or would you credit/advertise yourself in your work? And if so, how do you do it? If the client is suggesting that you do it, by all means (providing you're proud of the engraving job you've done) you should do it. Just small print and only on the score, not the parts, something to the effect of: Engraved by Rich Caldwell, caldwell[at]shypuppy.net You would of course use the @ symbol, I just didn't want to put it in the body of the message. Or in place of the e-mail address, you could put your web-site. I have seen it done on commercial music I've purchased, although not often. If there is a cover and on the inside of the cover is information concerning the score you might put it at the bottom of that page, or in small print and out of the way under the final measure of the entire work. Free advertising -- unless you've done a rotten job on the engraving, it can't hurt. At the least it will be totally neutral -- nobody will pay it any attention. And at the best you might get some more engraving work out of the deal. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
I stipulate doing so as part of many contracts, putting info in small type on the bottom of the first page of the full score AND parts, if any business name and email address - I will also add a date if the piece is having its premiere. A symphony's librarian contacted me after seeing the info on a score I did for them a few years back and hired me to replace lost parts (different piece) for an upcoming performance. Many instrumentalists have given me business as a result of seeing the info on parts- those usually turn out to be new compositions, which I especially love doing when I'm also asked to put on my editing hat. -Cecil Rigby rig...@att.net - Original Message - From: dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist Rich Caldwell wrote: The composer of a piece I'm currently working on said I should put my name on the last page of the score to credit myself as the engraver. My first reaction was that engravers don't normally do this, but I might be assuming incorrectly. After all, if I'm wrong, I could lose out on future work, and I don't want that. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Mr Chuck Israels who writes in this list is the same Chuck Israels that played with Bill Evans and John Coltrane?
I asked because I guessed that you might be Italian. I will be in Vicenza and Verona on May 6 - 8, if you are anywhere near there. Chuck On Mar 30, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Marcello Noia wrote: I am Italian, I play saxophones and clarinet (jazz and blues) and I am a singer/arranger in a couple of choral ensembles. Only recently I guessed that the person who signs as Chuck Israels on this list could be THAT Chuck Israels. Wow! It's a real pleasure. I read about another Chuck Israels who sang for a while in Swingle Singers but I think it is a case of homonymy (or it was you again?). It's great to read from all of you, Finale users! Regards Chuck Israels ha scritto: Everyone has to be somewhere! This list is a good place to be in cyberspace. I've made friends, been helped many times, been helpful not often enough, and usually enjoy reading the exchange of communication among intelligent and generous people. I've rekindled old relationships and made new ones, even planned trips in which visits with list members have been included - some having come to fruition, others not yet. I'd be a little more lonely (and maybe more looney!) without this communication - and I'd drop off in an instant, if it became a blog. I'm happy to read emails and respond when I like, but dealing with a blog or forum is a step or two too convoluted for me. Now I am curious. Where are you, Marcello? Chuck On Mar 29, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Marcello Noia wrote: Pardon my curiosity :) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
At 10:28 PM -0400 3/29/10, Rich Caldwell wrote: The composer of a piece I'm currently working on said I should put my name on the last page of the score to credit myself as the engraver. My first reaction was that engravers don't normally do this, but I might be assuming incorrectly. After all, if I'm wrong, I could lose out on future work, and I don't want that. I know it would depend on the size of the project and its purpose, but say it's a complex large orchestral score of a new piece, not being published at this point, just performed - do you or would you credit/advertise yourself in your work? And if so, how do you do it? Thanks for any input, Rich Seems like a pretty simple answer, and it's in your first sentence. Your client asked you to, and suggested a way to do it. So do it! The thing is, it isn't unprecedented in the book business. There's often a credit to the book designer, or a statement that a certain typeface has been used, or some kind of colophone, and it's often at the end of the book, not on the title or copyright page. It's just unprecedented in the MUSIC business. Or, well, ALMOST unprecedented. Back in the '60s we got our copying supplies from Cameo Music in North Hollywood, and both their manuscript paper and their onionskin paper carried their trademark, so they were advertising themselves as a business, if not as individual copyists, and got that advertising even though we did all our own copying. Same thing for King Brand and other suppliers of manuscript paper in large quantities. But no, I would not usually claim screen credit (even though everyone us used to seeing the endless scroll of names at the end of every movie--and some of us even sit through them in order to enjoy the music!). But then I seldom or never do engraving except for my own arrangements or editions, and for those I DO claim credit as arranger or editor, sometimes in a copyright notice and sometimes, when that isn't appropriate, not. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
Hi Rich -- While I would agree with everyone else that for most contemporary music it's not common, it IS common in musical theatre -- most computer-engraved (but not hand-engraved) scores I've come across (especially from MTI) in recent years include the name of the copying service, if not the copyist him/herself, on one of the first pages. -- Mike ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
At 11:17 AM -0400 3/30/10, Michael L Meyer wrote: Hi Rich -- While I would agree with everyone else that for most contemporary music it's not common, it IS common in musical theatre -- most computer-engraved (but not hand-engraved) scores I've come across (especially from MTI) in recent years include the name of the copying service, if not the copyist him/herself, on one of the first pages. -- Mike Interesting observation, and not what I've found. (Of course my experience has been limited to one show per year for the past 18 years, with most of them still using the manuscript copies from 50 years ago!) In fact what I've found is that not even the orchestrator is often credited, let alone the copyist. That was the case last summer with Joseph the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. I'm reasonably sure that Sir Andrew didn't do the orchestration himself, but there was no orchestrator's credit in the score, in the parts, or in the piano-vocal score. In Broadway Playbills, yes, at least down to the orchestrator level (including Additional Dance Numbers Orchestrated by xxx in many cases), but I don't remember ever seeing a copyist credited. (And judging by some of their hands, they were the union secretary's brother-in-law in the first place!!!) John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
Yes--good old Judy Green! I remember cutting their logos (Cameo, Alpheus) off the bottoms of several works. Aaron J. Rabushka arabus...@austin.rr.com - Original Message - From: John Howell john.how...@vt.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist At 10:28 PM -0400 3/29/10, Rich Caldwell wrote: The composer of a piece I'm currently working on said I should put my name on the last page of the score to credit myself as the engraver. My first reaction was that engravers don't normally do this, but I might be assuming incorrectly. After all, if I'm wrong, I could lose out on future work, and I don't want that. I know it would depend on the size of the project and its purpose, but say it's a complex large orchestral score of a new piece, not being published at this point, just performed - do you or would you credit/advertise yourself in your work? And if so, how do you do it? Thanks for any input, Rich Seems like a pretty simple answer, and it's in your first sentence. Your client asked you to, and suggested a way to do it. So do it! The thing is, it isn't unprecedented in the book business. There's often a credit to the book designer, or a statement that a certain typeface has been used, or some kind of colophone, and it's often at the end of the book, not on the title or copyright page. It's just unprecedented in the MUSIC business. Or, well, ALMOST unprecedented. Back in the '60s we got our copying supplies from Cameo Music in North Hollywood, and both their manuscript paper and their onionskin paper carried their trademark, so they were advertising themselves as a business, if not as individual copyists, and got that advertising even though we did all our own copying. Same thing for King Brand and other suppliers of manuscript paper in large quantities. But no, I would not usually claim screen credit (even though everyone us used to seeing the endless scroll of names at the end of every movie--and some of us even sit through them in order to enjoy the music!). But then I seldom or never do engraving except for my own arrangements or editions, and for those I DO claim credit as arranger or editor, sometimes in a copyright notice and sometimes, when that isn't appropriate, not. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
On 3/29/2010 11:40 PM, Richard Huggins wrote: I was an editor for Word Music in the 90's and we credited the engraver on the inside title sheet. They still do, as do similar publishers. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2010, at 1:12 AM, dcden...@free.fr wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: In modern times, I don't think it's ever done for commercial engraving, but for custom engraving I don't see any reason why the credit shouldn't be there. I have many modern editions with the name of the engraver - true, they are all of early music, so perhaps they are following historical models! Dennis I have often run across big band parts, mostly hand-copied, that used a rubber stamp across the bottom of the page (often, but not always the last page) with the copyist's name and contact info. cd -- http://members.cox.net/dershem/index.html http://dershem.livejournal.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
Thanks for all the input. It's interesting hearing the different viewpoints. It's been awhile since I've looked at lots of new music scores, and I must not have paid attention or noticed the credits. I think in this case, I'll put my name and work e-mail on the last page, nice and small, but legible. It's too late for the parts anyway, so this is just the score. I wouldn't always do this, but after spending over 250 hours on the project, I feel more comfortable about it. Rich ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] trouble with REBARring
Currently I am working on a section in 8/4 time with a measure that starts with two consecutive dotted quarters. When I REBAR the score (which I wind up doing innumerable times in the course of any given project) Finale turns the second dotted quarter into an 8th tied to a quarter, and furthermore keeps the x-shaped notehead that I want on the 8th and turns the quarter's head into the regular round shape. Is there any way that I can get Finale to leave my rhythm as I wrote it? I am using Finale 2003 on a PC. Aaron J. Rabushka ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Dissertation Work Guidelines/Advice?
Anyone done Finale work for a doctoral dissertation? An associate has asked me to do some examples that he is going to insert into his dissertation. Preparing the .MUS files is not a concern here; what I need to know is if there is a standard for the format (.GIF? .TIF? .JPG? other?) and resolution (DPI? other metric?) for preparation of such inserts? Is there no standard at all? Does it vary from school to school? I have looked in a few places and come up dry, so I turn here for guidance. Thanx... Jim W. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
On 30 Mar 2010 at 10:37, Aaron Rabushka wrote: Yes--good old Judy Green! I remember cutting their logos (Cameo, Alpheus) off the bottoms of several works. I'm not sure I understand the motivation here, and strangely enough, it came up just this morning when I was looking at the manuscript of a famous American popular song -- somebody had used a Sharpie or some other equally black marker to cover the music paper name (though not Printed in USA). I couldn't quite figure out why anyone would have considered this important enough to do. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Noteflight
I found this in a Dutch music magazine: http://www.noteflight.com/ What do we think of this? Barbara ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dissertation Work Guidelines/Advice?
On 30 Mar 2010 at 14:40, Williams, Jim wrote: Anyone done Finale work for a doctoral dissertation? An associate has asked me to do some examples that he is going to insert into his dissertation. Preparing the .MUS files is not a concern here; what I need to know is if there is a standard for the format (.GIF? .TIF? .JPG? other?) and resolution (DPI? other metric?) for preparation of such inserts? The person asking you to do the work should specify the format. It should be a lossless format (EPS, GIF, TIF, PNG) not one of the lossy ones (JPG). But which is best should be determined by the person asking for it. The resolution should be determined by the print output resolution unless it's EPS. 600dpi should be sufficient, but it does depend somewhat on how the graphics are going to be embedded. Is there no standard at all? Does it vary from school to school? I have looked in a few places and come up dry, so I turn here for guidance. This has nothing to do with anything but producing a document. Dissertations are printed documents and the source files or formats are not relevant to the institutions involved. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Noteflight
Barbara Touburg wrote: I found this in a Dutch music magazine: http://www.noteflight.com/ What do we think of this? Barbara ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Any program which doesn't reside on my computer and the data files of which I store in my own location separate from the vissicitudes of web businesses failing is not anything I'm interested in. For the same reason I won't use the internet for storing my backups -- nothing's truly and verifiably secure on the internet and nothing's to prevent some such company from going out of business just at the time when I need to restore those files to my hard drive. No thanks, not for me. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Noteflight
Barbara Touburg wrote: I found this in a Dutch music magazine: http://www.noteflight.com/ What do we think of this? First impression (based only upon the page of the link, and cursory perusal of the terms of use): it's an application of cloud computing applied to music scores. The software to do the notation is online, and presumably the scores are not on your machine, either. But even if they are, if you stop being a user, you lose future rights to edit the software, and any of your scores hosted on the site will become unavailable, as well. I'm too antediluvian for it to be of any interest to me; data files I create are going to be on a machine over which I have total control. ns ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dissertation Work Guidelines/Advice?
Williams, Jim wrote: Is there no standard at all? Does it vary from school to school? I'd be very surprised if there is no standard, and more than varying from school to school, it may, in fact, vary from department to department within a school. Your associate should be able to provide the exact specifications dictated by the department. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] trouble with REBARring
arabus...@austin.rr.com wrote: Currently I am working on a section in 8/4 time with a measure that starts with two consecutive dotted quarters. When I REBAR the score (which I wind up doing innumerable times in the course of any given project) Finale turns the second dotted quarter into an 8th tied to a quarter, and furthermore keeps the x-shaped notehead that I want on the 8th and turns the quarter's head into the regular round shape. Is there any way that I can get Finale to leave my rhythm as I wrote it? I am using Finale 2003 on a PC. There are several ways one might use. One of the simplest is as follows: select the measure in question, and the time signature tool. If necessary click other options in the upper right hand corner of the time signature dialog box, to expand the dialog box. In the lower half of the expanded box, click the box Use a different time signature for display, and in the upper part of the lower half of the box, click the button bearing the label composite, which opens the composite time signature dialog box. In the three leftmost upper boxes, enter 3, 3, and 2, and in the4 three leftmost lower boxes, enter 8, 8, and 8, so that when done, the time composite time signature shows 3/8 + 3/8 + 2/8. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
Why did I cut the logos off? I did not feel like giving free advetising to Alpheus on every page of my work. ajr David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: On 30 Mar 2010 at 10:37, Aaron Rabushka wrote: Yes--good old Judy Green! I remember cutting their logos (Cameo, Alpheus) off the bottoms of several works. I'm not sure I understand the motivation here, and strangely enough, it came up just this morning when I was looking at the manuscript of a famous American popular song -- somebody had used a Sharpie or some other equally black marker to cover the music paper name (though not Printed in USA). I couldn't quite figure out why anyone would have considered this important enough to do. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dissertation Work Guidelines/Advice?
At 3:16 PM -0400 3/30/10, David W. Fenton wrote: This has nothing to do with anything but producing a document. Dissertations are printed documents and the source files or formats are not relevant to the institutions involved. Quite possibly no longer true. Or at least no longer true at some schools. Certainly it was true as recently as the '70s, when I was in grad school, and the expense of printing and binding was just one more expense. (A good friend, and English professor whose dissertation was on Farce, discovered that there was actually no requirement at Indiana that dissertations had to be bound in black, although they all were, and had his bound in white!) I think this university has gone to electronic files for theses and dissertations (although I'm not 100% sure). When something THAT traditional starts changing, you know that the technology has REALLY changed!!! (But they still require medieval robes and hoods for graduation; go figure!) John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] 10.6.3 renders Finale illegible
Hi All, Well, I almost always do the incremental OS updates that Apple sends out, this time going from 10.6.2 to 10.6.3. As soon as the computer restarted and I opened Finale, symbols are misplaced everywhere, and nothing is legible. Note heads appear as slashes, or other strange things, Clefs as the quarter tone sharp symbol - everything is wrong! Now what? Can I revert to the earlier OS? How do you do that. (I will look on the Apple web site). Is there a way to clean up the file some other way? I am stumped. Please help. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 10.6.3 renders Finale illegible
You have duplicate fonts happening in your system. Go into /Users/YOURUSERNAME/Library/Fonts and get rid of the duplicates. There might also be some in /Library/Fonts on the Macintosh HD Or you could use FontBook which is in Applications..though I have found it works better to go in and do it manually. On 3/30/10 6:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, Well, I almost always do the incremental OS updates that Apple sends out, this time going from 10.6.2 to 10.6.3. As soon as the computer restarted and I opened Finale, symbols are misplaced everywhere, and nothing is legible. Note heads appear as slashes, or other strange things, Clefs as the quarter tone sharp symbol - everything is wrong! Now what? Can I revert to the earlier OS? How do you do that. (I will look on the Apple web site). Is there a way to clean up the file some other way? I am stumped. Please help. Thanks, Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Noteflight
At 3:59 PM -0400 3/30/10, dhbailey wrote: Any program which doesn't reside on my computer and the data files of which I store in my own location separate from the vissicitudes of web businesses failing is not anything I'm interested in. For music files I certainly agree. But I just ran into something that I may be interested in. (No additional Finale, notation, or allied content; you may safely delete NOW.) I've just been assigned to teach an online section of Music Appreciation next fall. (I've been teaching Music History for about 18 years, so the content isn't the problem.) But I have a very full summer since my Music History textbook is out of print and I'm having to switch to a new one and revise all my materials, PLUS the university is moving from the Blackboard course management software to a newly-developed one called Scholar (a local variation on Sakai), and that will also be a big drag. And just this afternoon I learned from the prof. who's been teaching Apprec for many years that he's using a totally on-line course. It's from a company that handles everything on line, there's no textbook, and the students just buy two (expensive!) CDs, register on line, and everything including tests is there, not on my computer at all. As it happens he's meeting with people from that company tomorrow, and I'm going to talk with them. I may not agree with the educational approach, the kinds of assignments and tests they have, and so on (although I'm not pre-judging them), but if it'll let me kick-start a new class instead of forcing me to re-invent the wheel, I'll probably sign on. I can always pull out at a later time. So there's good and bad in everything--but then we already knew that! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 10.6.3 renders Finale illegible
If that's all it is, I can probably fix it. I will try now. Thanks for the speedy reply. Chuck On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:29 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: You have duplicate fonts happening in your system. Go into /Users/YOURUSERNAME/Library/Fonts and get rid of the duplicates. There might also be some in /Library/Fonts on the Macintosh HD Or you could use FontBook which is in Applications..though I have found it works better to go in and do it manually. On 3/30/10 6:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, Well, I almost always do the incremental OS updates that Apple sends out, this time going from 10.6.2 to 10.6.3. As soon as the computer restarted and I opened Finale, symbols are misplaced everywhere, and nothing is legible. Note heads appear as slashes, or other strange things, Clefs as the quarter tone sharp symbol - everything is wrong! Now what? Can I revert to the earlier OS? How do you do that. (I will look on the Apple web site). Is there a way to clean up the file some other way? I am stumped. Please help. Thanks, Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 10.6.3 renders Finale illegible
Hi Chuck, I'm fairly certain it's not 10.6.3. Finale (all versions) is just fine on my system after installing the 10.6.3 upgrade. I'd recommend reinstalling your fonts. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 30 Mar 2010, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, Well, I almost always do the incremental OS updates that Apple sends out, this time going from 10.6.2 to 10.6.3. As soon as the computer restarted and I opened Finale, symbols are misplaced everywhere, and nothing is legible. Note heads appear as slashes, or other strange things, Clefs as the quarter tone sharp symbol - everything is wrong! Now what? Can I revert to the earlier OS? How do you do that. (I will look on the Apple web site). Is there a way to clean up the file some other way? I am stumped. Please help. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 10.6.3 renders Finale illegible
Hi Darcy, The Finale ones? From the 2010 installer - do a custom install and only do the fonts? I tried resolving duplicates in Font book, and that changed nothing in how Finale displays. This was an instantaneous change, as son as the Mac rebooted in 10.6.3. Strange. Not panicked yet, but soon! Chuck On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, I'm fairly certain it's not 10.6.3. Finale (all versions) is just fine on my system after installing the 10.6.3 upgrade. I'd recommend reinstalling your fonts. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 30 Mar 2010, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, Well, I almost always do the incremental OS updates that Apple sends out, this time going from 10.6.2 to 10.6.3. As soon as the computer restarted and I opened Finale, symbols are misplaced everywhere, and nothing is legible. Note heads appear as slashes, or other strange things, Clefs as the quarter tone sharp symbol - everything is wrong! Now what? Can I revert to the earlier OS? How do you do that. (I will look on the Apple web site). Is there a way to clean up the file some other way? I am stumped. Please help. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dissertation Work Guidelines/Advice?
On 30 Mar 2010 at 15:31, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Williams, Jim wrote: Is there no standard at all? Does it vary from school to school? I'd be very surprised if there is no standard, and more than varying from school to school, it may, in fact, vary from department to department within a school. Your associate should be able to provide the exact specifications dictated by the department. I don't quite see why the electronic submission guidelines for dissertations (PDF) would involve any standards for graphics you insert into whatever document/application you use to produce the *printed* copy of your dissertation. Dissertations in PDF format are delivered as GRAPHICS not as text (last I checked), so there would be no advantage whatsoever to specifying 600dpi or 300dpi or whatever, since the original document is never going to be distributed. Sure, 150dpi would make for a poor printed output, but I can't see any sense whatsoever in specifying how you produce your dissertation. That would be like a school requiring everybody to use MS Word to write it. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dissertation Work Guidelines/Advice?
On 30 Mar 2010 at 21:17, John Howell wrote: At 3:16 PM -0400 3/30/10, David W. Fenton wrote: This has nothing to do with anything but producing a document. Dissertations are printed documents and the source files or formats are not relevant to the institutions involved. Quite possibly no longer true. Or at least no longer true at some schools. Last I checked, UMI PDFs of dissertations were graphics of scans of the printed page, not produced from the text of the document. Even if they *were* produced from the printed document, specifying dpi of source graphics is not something any institution would be doing, any more than they would be restricting Ph.D. candidates to using MS Word to produce their dissertations. Now, it may be that some institutions have helpful hints on this, but the idea of a requirement or standard is to me ludicrous. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Noteflight
On 30 Mar 2010 at 15:59, dhbailey wrote: I won't use the internet for storing my backups -- nothing's truly and verifiably secure on the internet and nothing's to prevent some such company from going out of business just at the time when I need to restore those files to my hard drive. You seem to be under the impression that one backup is ever sufficient. It's not. In my 20 or so years of work as a computer tech, the only time anybody has ever lost anything that wasn't recoverable from a backup was because multiple levels of backup failed. To me the perfect example of this was the failure of the Roosevelt Island Tram in NYC a few years ago, where riders were stranded hanging in the tram over the river for hours and had to be rescued. The tram had a main motor and two backups. The main motor failed, and the backup failed. The second backup was in the shop for repairs, so people ended up stuck. Two levels of backup failed. You are not safely backed up if you have only one backup strategy -- have at least two if not more. And any loss of one backup should be irrelevant. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 10.6.3 renders Finale illegible
I had a similar problem. What I figured out was that I had duplicates in Library/Fonts and Username/Library/Fonts And that Finale wasn't liking that I had both truetype and Postscript fonts installed. So, removing the Postscript fonts fixed everything for me. On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Darcy, The Finale ones? From the 2010 installer - do a custom install and only do the fonts? I tried resolving duplicates in Font book, and that changed nothing in how Finale displays. This was an instantaneous change, as son as the Mac rebooted in 10.6.3. Strange. Not panicked yet, but soon! Chuck On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, I'm fairly certain it's not 10.6.3. Finale (all versions) is just fine on my system after installing the 10.6.3 upgrade. I'd recommend reinstalling your fonts. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 30 Mar 2010, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, Well, I almost always do the incremental OS updates that Apple sends out, this time going from 10.6.2 to 10.6.3. As soon as the computer restarted and I opened Finale, symbols are misplaced everywhere, and nothing is legible. Note heads appear as slashes, or other strange things, Clefs as the quarter tone sharp symbol - everything is wrong! Now what? Can I revert to the earlier OS? How do you do that. (I will look on the Apple web site). Is there a way to clean up the file some other way? I am stumped. Please help. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 10.6.3 renders Finale illegible
I am trying to deal with that - not sure how to see these things - which ones are which, but I'm trying. I did re-install the Finale fonts, as Darcy suggested, from the Finale support site. Now it's just a different mess - different wrong symbols are appearing. I keep working on this. Thanks, Chuck On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I had a similar problem. What I figured out was that I had duplicates in Library/Fonts and Username/Library/Fonts And that Finale wasn't liking that I had both truetype and Postscript fonts installed. So, removing the Postscript fonts fixed everything for me. On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Darcy, The Finale ones? From the 2010 installer - do a custom install and only do the fonts? I tried resolving duplicates in Font book, and that changed nothing in how Finale displays. This was an instantaneous change, as son as the Mac rebooted in 10.6.3. Strange. Not panicked yet, but soon! Chuck On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, I'm fairly certain it's not 10.6.3. Finale (all versions) is just fine on my system after installing the 10.6.3 upgrade. I'd recommend reinstalling your fonts. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 30 Mar 2010, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, Well, I almost always do the incremental OS updates that Apple sends out, this time going from 10.6.2 to 10.6.3. As soon as the computer restarted and I opened Finale, symbols are misplaced everywhere, and nothing is legible. Note heads appear as slashes, or other strange things, Clefs as the quarter tone sharp symbol - everything is wrong! Now what? Can I revert to the earlier OS? How do you do that. (I will look on the Apple web site). Is there a way to clean up the file some other way? I am stumped. Please help. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crediting the copyist
On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 12:09 PM, dershem wrote: have often run across big band parts, mostly hand-copied, that used a rubber stamp across the bottom of the page (often, but not always the last page) with the copyist's name and contact info. cd It was a requirement of the Union locals of New York (and other cites, no doubt) that Union copyists identify their work on the bottom of the last page with their name and local number, at least. I haven't seen a NYC union agreement in a while, so I don't know if that requirement is still there, but it explains the number of jazz and show charts I have seen with the copyist listed. A local hand copyist (Colin Biggin, one of the best I have ever seen) could sometimes recognize certain copyists' work on touring show parts from the shape of the noteheads and other items. We would check the last page to see if he was right, and he usually was. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Noteflight
On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 9:30 PM, John Howell wrote: And just this afternoon I learned from the prof. who's been teaching Apprec for many years that he's using a totally on-line course. It's from a company that handles everything on line, there's no textbook, and the students just buy two (expensive!) CDs, register on line, and everything including tests is there, not on my computer at all. As it happens he's meeting with people from that company tomorrow, and I'm going to talk with them. I may not agree with the educational approach, the kinds of assignments and tests they have, and so on (although I'm not pre- judging them), but if it'll let me kick-start a new class instead of forcing me to re-invent the wheel, I'll probably sign on. I can always pull out at a later time. My college is pushing the on-line thing very heavily, and I (and other colleagues) are resisting. On the plus side, you can put listening lists online (yay!) and assignments, so the students have NO excuse for not knowing what to do. Presently, we have to assign library listening, or we have one teacher who (illegally) loads the students' iPods from his office computer with the listening lists. Having all the listening from one source, with the licenses paid, is a real advantage. On the con side, students are trying to take advantage of online materials being available to skip classes entirely. Some students have insisted that our class notes be made available online, or given to them electronically by email or in hard copy, as if it is their right (yes, we had a student try to assert that) to read our own personal class notes and thus make up for not coming to class. The times that teachers are being asked to be online for chat discussions is prohibitively time-intensive, and of course it is WAY slower to type than to speak. I think music may be one of the last subjects that is taught more effectively in person. This assertion makes me fairly unpopular among the college administration. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 10.6.3 renders Finale illegible
I seem to have fixed this - by removing some fonts from the root level and putting them in the User library. Finale seems to want some of them there. Others were in the root level font folder, and I removed them from there (some of these are fonts that are in use in Finale) and, even though I have removed them from that font folder, they are now appearing correctly in Finale, but they are not showing up in the User/library/font folder, so I don't know where they are. (I put them in a removed fonts folder on the desktop.) I am not convinced that I have a handle on what is going on with fonts - where they are stored, where they are supposed to be stored, why there are multiple places for them to be stored and, how to get rid of the hundreds of fonts that appear in my font list that I never use and never will use. Anyway, it was indeed not an OS problem (although the update triggered it), and it is, at least temporarily, under some control. Thanks, Eric and Darcy. Chuck On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I had a similar problem. What I figured out was that I had duplicates in Library/Fonts and Username/Library/Fonts And that Finale wasn't liking that I had both truetype and Postscript fonts installed. So, removing the Postscript fonts fixed everything for me. On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Darcy, The Finale ones? From the 2010 installer - do a custom install and only do the fonts? I tried resolving duplicates in Font book, and that changed nothing in how Finale displays. This was an instantaneous change, as son as the Mac rebooted in 10.6.3. Strange. Not panicked yet, but soon! Chuck On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, I'm fairly certain it's not 10.6.3. Finale (all versions) is just fine on my system after installing the 10.6.3 upgrade. I'd recommend reinstalling your fonts. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 30 Mar 2010, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, Well, I almost always do the incremental OS updates that Apple sends out, this time going from 10.6.2 to 10.6.3. As soon as the computer restarted and I opened Finale, symbols are misplaced everywhere, and nothing is legible. Note heads appear as slashes, or other strange things, Clefs as the quarter tone sharp symbol - everything is wrong! Now what? Can I revert to the earlier OS? How do you do that. (I will look on the Apple web site). Is there a way to clean up the file some other way? I am stumped. Please help. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dissertation Work Guidelines/Advice?
At 9:49 PM -0400 3/30/10, David W. Fenton wrote: Now, it may be that some institutions have helpful hints on this, but the idea of a requirement or standard is to me ludicrous. My daughter just had her dissertation proposal in Math Education approved at NYU, so I'll ask her what they require. I'd be VERY surprised if there were not detailed requirements, since that's typical of everything she's had to go through up to this point. And I seem to recall that back in the '70s there was a rule against using erasable typing paper. (Remember typewriters?) Rules do NOT have to be either logical or reasonable, they just have to be followed. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 10.6.3 renders Finale illegible
I haven't had to install Finale in a while, but generally programs assume that they are going to be accessed by multiple users on a computer, and therefore will put the fonts in the root level /Library/Fonts. However, it seems that Finale at some point might have, or intentionally does, install the fonts in /Users/yourusername/Library/Fonts as well. Now, for some reason, Finale seems to get all messed up. I suspect that installing a system update flushes some cache Finale was using and when it recreates the cache it gets all messed up. But generally, I think you'd want the fonts in one place. If there are no other uses other than yourself using the computer (ie: having a login name and their own folder in /Users/) then it doesn't matter where you put them. If more than one person is using the computer, you probably want to put Finale's fonts in the root Library/Fonts folder. On 3/30/10 7:37 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I seem to have fixed this - by removing some fonts from the root level and putting them in the User library. Finale seems to want some of them there. Others were in the root level font folder, and I removed them from there (some of these are fonts that are in use in Finale) and, even though I have removed them from that font folder, they are now appearing correctly in Finale, but they are not showing up in the User/library/font folder, so I don't know where they are. (I put them in a removed fonts folder on the desktop.) I am not convinced that I have a handle on what is going on with fonts - where they are stored, where they are supposed to be stored, why there are multiple places for them to be stored and, how to get rid of the hundreds of fonts that appear in my font list that I never use and never will use. Anyway, it was indeed not an OS problem (although the update triggered it), and it is, at least temporarily, under some control. Thanks, Eric and Darcy. Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] beaming over grace notes
anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dissertation Work Guidelines/Advice?
On 30 Mar 2010 at 22:42, John Howell wrote: At 9:49 PM -0400 3/30/10, David W. Fenton wrote: Now, it may be that some institutions have helpful hints on this, but the idea of a requirement or standard is to me ludicrous. My daughter just had her dissertation proposal in Math Education approved at NYU, so I'll ask her what they require. I'd be VERY surprised if there were not detailed requirements, since that's typical of everything she's had to go through up to this point. And I seem to recall that back in the '70s there was a rule against using erasable typing paper. (Remember typewriters?) Rules do NOT have to be either logical or reasonable, they just have to be followed. There are certainly rules for formatting the printed dissertation. But they don't extend to forcing you to use particular tools or particular resolutions for your graphics. The analogy simply doesn't work. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dissertation Work Guidelines/Advice?
On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 9:49 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Last I checked, UMI PDFs of dissertations were graphics of scans of the printed page, not produced from the text of the document. Even if they *were* produced from the printed document, specifying dpi of source graphics is not something any institution would be doing, any more than they would be restricting Ph.D. candidates to using MS Word to produce their dissertations. My wife's Master's thesis, completed last year, REQUIRED her to submit a copy on MS Word. The reasoning is that a searchable archive copy will be created (I imagine in PDF) from her file. I think scans of printed pages are for old documents that don't exist in electronic form, but they still type in the abstract for the search engines. She also had to submit three paper copies, with everything specified from the typeface to the weight and finish of the paper. It was quite an ordeal. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
Yeah, this is touchy, but you have to know how Finale thinks. In Speedy, you hit the / button normally to create-break beams with the PREVIOUS eighth note. The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. There is no way I know of to accomplish this automatically. Hope this helps. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 10:21 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 10.6.3 renders Finale illegible
Hi Chuck, I have all my fonts in Macintosh HD/Library/Fonts. You should keep all of your fonts there as well. Your [username]/Library/Fonts folder should be empty, and you should move any fonts found there to Macintosh HD/Library/Fonts. If there are fonts you DON'T want to use, you should make sure they are removed from both folders. As you can see, it is easy to wind up with duplicate fonts if some are installed for all users (Macintosh HD/Library/Fonts) and others are installed just in your ~/Library/Fonts folder, and duplicate fonts can cause all kinds of problems (not just Finale problems). System/Library/Fonts you should not ever modify. This folder is for fonts used by OS X only. It should not contain any MakeMusic fonts or third-party fonts. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 30 Mar 2010, at 10:37 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I seem to have fixed this - by removing some fonts from the root level and putting them in the User library. Finale seems to want some of them there. Others were in the root level font folder, and I removed them from there (some of these are fonts that are in use in Finale) and, even though I have removed them from that font folder, they are now appearing correctly in Finale, but they are not showing up in the User/library/font folder, so I don't know where they are. (I put them in a removed fonts folder on the desktop.) I am not convinced that I have a handle on what is going on with fonts - where they are stored, where they are supposed to be stored, why there are multiple places for them to be stored and, how to get rid of the hundreds of fonts that appear in my font list that I never use and never will use. Anyway, it was indeed not an OS problem (although the update triggered it), and it is, at least temporarily, under some control. Thanks, Eric and Darcy. Chuck On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I had a similar problem. What I figured out was that I had duplicates in Library/Fonts and Username/Library/Fonts And that Finale wasn't liking that I had both truetype and Postscript fonts installed. So, removing the Postscript fonts fixed everything for me. On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Darcy, The Finale ones? From the 2010 installer - do a custom install and only do the fonts? I tried resolving duplicates in Font book, and that changed nothing in how Finale displays. This was an instantaneous change, as son as the Mac rebooted in 10.6.3. Strange. Not panicked yet, but soon! Chuck On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, I'm fairly certain it's not 10.6.3. Finale (all versions) is just fine on my system after installing the 10.6.3 upgrade. I'd recommend reinstalling your fonts. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 30 Mar 2010, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, Well, I almost always do the incremental OS updates that Apple sends out, this time going from 10.6.2 to 10.6.3. As soon as the computer restarted and I opened Finale, symbols are misplaced everywhere, and nothing is legible. Note heads appear as slashes, or other strange things, Clefs as the quarter tone sharp symbol - everything is wrong! Now what? Can I revert to the earlier OS? How do you do that. (I will look on the Apple web site). Is there a way to clean up the file some other way? I am stumped. Please help. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dissertation Work Guidelines/Advice?
On 30 Mar 2010 at 21:57, Christopher Smith wrote: On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 9:49 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Last I checked, UMI PDFs of dissertations were graphics of scans of the printed page, not produced from the text of the document. Even if they *were* produced from the printed document, specifying dpi of source graphics is not something any institution would be doing, any more than they would be restricting Ph.D. candidates to using MS Word to produce their dissertations. My wife's Master's thesis, completed last year, REQUIRED her to submit a copy on MS Word. To whom? UMI or the university? My bet is that's a local requirement (and reprehensible). The reasoning is that a searchable archive copy will be created (I imagine in PDF) from her file. I think scans of printed pages are for old documents that don't exist in electronic form, but they still type in the abstract for the search engines. There are quite recent dissertations that UMI delivers as PDFs of scans that could have been delivered as electronic text instead. She also had to submit three paper copies, with everything specified from the typeface to the weight and finish of the paper. It was quite an ordeal. But still no requirements on dpi for embedded graphics. Certainly we're getting closer to having your tools specified, but still not something as specific as resolution of embedded content. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 10.6.3 renders Finale illegible
Hi Chuck, I would recommend removing ALL MakeMusic Finale fonts (not third-party fonts, but Maestro, Engraver, etc. -- anything that is installed by the Finale installer), then reinstalling those fonts from the Finale DVD. Obviously you'll need to quit Finale before doing this, and a reboot after removing and reinstalling might not hurt either. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 30 Mar 2010, at 10:08 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I am trying to deal with that - not sure how to see these things - which ones are which, but I'm trying. I did re-install the Finale fonts, as Darcy suggested, from the Finale support site. Now it's just a different mess - different wrong symbols are appearing. I keep working on this. Thanks, Chuck On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I had a similar problem. What I figured out was that I had duplicates in Library/Fonts and Username/Library/Fonts And that Finale wasn't liking that I had both truetype and Postscript fonts installed. So, removing the Postscript fonts fixed everything for me. On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Darcy, The Finale ones? From the 2010 installer - do a custom install and only do the fonts? I tried resolving duplicates in Font book, and that changed nothing in how Finale displays. This was an instantaneous change, as son as the Mac rebooted in 10.6.3. Strange. Not panicked yet, but soon! Chuck On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, I'm fairly certain it's not 10.6.3. Finale (all versions) is just fine on my system after installing the 10.6.3 upgrade. I'd recommend reinstalling your fonts. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 30 Mar 2010, at 9:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi All, Well, I almost always do the incremental OS updates that Apple sends out, this time going from 10.6.2 to 10.6.3. As soon as the computer restarted and I opened Finale, symbols are misplaced everywhere, and nothing is legible. Note heads appear as slashes, or other strange things, Clefs as the quarter tone sharp symbol - everything is wrong! Now what? Can I revert to the earlier OS? How do you do that. (I will look on the Apple web site). Is there a way to clean up the file some other way? I am stumped. Please help. Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
thanks christopher, I was not hitting the grace notes with the / key. once I started doing that it worked. I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. I'll keep trying. best, jk On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:57 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Yeah, this is touchy, but you have to know how Finale thinks. In Speedy, you hit the / button normally to create-break beams with the PREVIOUS eighth note. The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. There is no way I know of to accomplish this automatically. Hope this helps. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 10:21 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
My Beam Selection plugin will do this automatically, so long as the grace notes are of 8th or smaller value. It is not possible to beam over a quarter or larger grace notes in Finale. (Well, you can do it, but the grace notes have to be in a different Voice or Layer: a pain.) On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Yeah, this is touchy, but you have to know how Finale thinks. In Speedy, you hit the / button normally to create-break beams with the PREVIOUS eighth note. The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. There is no way I know of to accomplish this automatically. Hope this helps. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 10:21 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
I just did this in a recent project, where a sixteenth after a dotted eight had 4 grace note leading up to it: place the cursor on the last note (the note after the grace notes) and press the / (slash) key. Klaus --- On Wed, 3/31/10, jerry kalaf jka...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: jerry kalaf jka...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Finale] beaming over grace notes To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 4:21 AM anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dissertation Work Guidelines/Advice?
John wrote: Rules do NOT have to be either logical or reasonable, they just have to be followed. Ah yes, in Army basic training, I would make the hard-nosed platoon Sgt. be beside himself, when just after he turned off the barrack's lights, I would shout out, The thinking lamp is now lit. He never did figure out who the wise ass was, 'cause no one would admit to it ... lucky for me ... Dean M. Estabrook ER 19793817 Sgt. E-5, Ret. Never apply logic to a military situation On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:42 PM, John Howell wrote: Rules do NOT have to be either logical or reasonable, they just have to be followed. I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Dissertation work
Use the postscript for insertion into WORD documents. They're big but dpi is a function of the printer, not the object, Try to size close to actual size. Also, breal multi-line images into smaller pieces for good pageflow. Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
use layer 2 for the grace notes, placing and hiding rests where the notes are in layer 1 are that won't allow you to beam across. i did this recently... or maybe it was with another layer and real notes (hidden tuplets) at 75%... I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] trouble with REBARring
That took care of it! Thanks! Aaron J. Rabushka arabus...@austin.rr.com - Original Message - From: Noel Stoutenburg mjol...@ticnet.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] trouble with REBARring arabus...@austin.rr.com wrote: Currently I am working on a section in 8/4 time with a measure that starts with two consecutive dotted quarters. When I REBAR the score (which I wind up doing innumerable times in the course of any given project) Finale turns the second dotted quarter into an 8th tied to a quarter, and furthermore keeps the x-shaped notehead that I want on the 8th and turns the quarter's head into the regular round shape. Is there any way that I can get Finale to leave my rhythm as I wrote it? I am using Finale 2003 on a PC. There are several ways one might use. One of the simplest is as follows: select the measure in question, and the time signature tool. If necessary click other options in the upper right hand corner of the time signature dialog box, to expand the dialog box. In the lower half of the expanded box, click the box Use a different time signature for display, and in the upper part of the lower half of the box, click the button bearing the label composite, which opens the composite time signature dialog box. In the three leftmost upper boxes, enter 3, 3, and 2, and in the4 three leftmost lower boxes, enter 8, 8, and 8, so that when done, the time composite time signature shows 3/8 + 3/8 + 2/8. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
I have not been able to get it to work all the time either (when I am in 3/8. 6/8, 9/8 etc). the layer approach works but is very tedious. thanks, jk On Mar 30, 2010, at 8:53 PM, SN jef chippewa wrote: use layer 2 for the grace notes, placing and hiding rests where the notes are in layer 1 are that won't allow you to beam across. i did this recently... or maybe it was with another layer and real notes (hidden tuplets) at 75%... I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
