Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Fiskum, Steve
Thanks John for taking the reigns. These horses were getting out of control. To clear up some misinformation that was part of this thread, please look at the CURRENT issue (June 2011) of Consumer Reports which tells a very different story than what was incorrectly reported here about MACs. I

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Hmmm, it's almost like they came to my defense. Or getting a supreme court ruling in ones favor..but Macs are niche computers. Sent from my iSomething On May 25, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Fiskum, Steve fisk...@jspaluch.com wrote: Thanks John for taking the reigns. These horses were getting

Re: [Finale] Mozart: same music for wind and for strings

2011-05-25 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Which I could help, Klaus - but the 1781 'gran partita' doesn't correspond to any of the known Mozart quintets. It is sometimes performed by strings but I've never seen a string version referenced as anything but an arrangement of the serenade. Here's one version:

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2011-05-25 Thread michael roth
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Fiskum, Steve fisk...@jspaluch.com wrote: Thanks John for taking the reigns. These horses were getting out of control. Actually you were getting way out of control with the personal insults and puns on list participants last names. And then whined about

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Fiskum, Steve
Hello Kim, Wow! My first post on this list in many months and first post to this thread and you attack me for personal insults and puns on list participants last names...huh? I think you've got the wrong guy. Have a pint. Cheers, Steve 5/25/11 12:55 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com

Re: [Finale] Mozart: same music for wind and for strings

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 May 2011 at 17:21, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: http://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/a/ac/IMSLP84123-PMLP40431-Mozar t_Werke_Breitkopf_Serie_09_12_KV361.pdf has a reference right under the title telling that movements 1, 2, 3, and 7 are revisions of a string quintet composed in

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 May 2011 at 20:11, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Look, the fact is that a cheap laptop isn't going to hack it. Even David Fenton agrees. I DID NOT SAY THAT. It may very well be that for a particular user a $300 laptop is going to be JUST FINE -- it depends entirely on how any particular

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I think no one care about what you have to say. Consumer Reports.highest rated. They could have argued as you do but did not. They see the facts. Your arguments are old and tired. Yet you continue. Go have a pint. This is over. -- Eric Dannewitz Musician/Polymath On Wednesday, May 25,

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Sorry, misfired communique ;) My apologies. On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Fiskum, Steve fisk...@jspaluch.com wrote: Hello Kim, Wow! My first post on this list in many months and first post to this thread and you attack me for personal insults and puns on list participants last

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: I think no one care about what you have to say. Consumer Reports.highest rated. They could have argued as you do but did not. They see the facts. Your arguments are old and tired. Yet you continue.

Re: [Finale] Mozart: same music for wind and for strings

2011-05-25 Thread Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre
Thanks to Les and David for their replies. I am glad my lack of ability to find a corresponding string quintet to the Gran Partita is not based in inadequate reading of music. Klaus From: David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent:

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 May 2011 at 10:59, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: The Mac is slightly lighter, Slightly? It weighs only 2/3s what the Acer does, 4.5 lbs. vs. over 6. That's a HUGE difference. has a harder polycarbonate plastic case. Big deal. Not worth spending the 600 dollars I saved, because I'm not in

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 May 2011 at 8:04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Actually, what is meant is that you can simply take the hard drive out of one Mac, say an iMac, and have use it on a macpro. It boots up just fine. Windows can't do that as far as I know. It can if you have the same hardware, as you do with Macs.

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 at 12:29 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: It can if you have the same hardware, as you do with Macs. But because Windows PCs are not a closed and proprietary system, that's simply not the case -- you can't do it except if the machines are very close siblings (as are

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2011 at 12:57, Eric Dannewitz wrote: On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 at 12:29 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: It can if you have the same hardware, as you do with Macs. But because Windows PCs are not a closed and proprietary system, that's simply not the case -- you can't do it except

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2011 at 14:06, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Apple computer users and fans are notoriously religious about their support for their products, so I'm not surprised at that result Anyone who is intellectually honest has to recognize the superiority of Apple's hardware and software. It just

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
True enough -- Eric Dannewitz Musician/Polymath On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Well, by same hardware I didn't mean identical -- for instance, I meant that if you had two Lenovo Thinkpads (even if one were 2 or 3 years older than the other), you could likely

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:26 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: On 24 May 2011 at 10:59, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: The Mac is slightly lighter, Slightly? It weighs only 2/3s what the Acer does, 4.5 lbs. vs. over 6. That's a HUGE difference. Yeah, 1.5 lbs. OOoo how WILL I lift

Re: [Finale] Question on screen parameters for our Mac wizards

2011-05-25 Thread Dick Hauser
On May 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: How do I get back to the default settings right from start-up? Don't have experience to give you the answer you need, Klaus, but everyone else is having too much fun with the PC/Mac wars. There are two places that I'd start

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:36 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: On 25 May 2011 at 14:06, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Anyone who is intellectually honest has to recognize the superiority of Apple's hardware and software. It just isn't an issue that's disputable. That's a No True

Re: [Finale] Question on screen parameters for our Mac wizards

2011-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
What do you mean default settings? The Mac Display settings? -- Eric Dannewitz Musician/Polymath On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Dick Hauser wrote: On May 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: How do I get back to the default settings right from start-up? Don't

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Sigh.where is the facts to support this? There is absolutely NO PROOF of this. Period. Apple simply took the great selling App Store they had for their iOS devices and brought it to the Mac. Yes, they are a little strict but one does not have to get their software through that. And Macs

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2011 at 15:54, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:26 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: On 24 May 2011 at 10:59, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: The Mac is slightly lighter, Slightly? It weighs only 2/3s what the Acer does, 4.5 lbs. vs. over 6.

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Sigh.where is the facts to support this? There is absolutely NO PROOF of this. Period. Apple simply took the great selling App Store they had for their iOS devices and brought it to the Mac. Yes, they are a

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2011 at 13:22, Eric Dannewitz wrote: And Macs do not have viruses. Ever. They have had a couple of malware and trojans, but not a virus. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the vernacular use of the term virus, but the fact is, when somebody talks about needing anti- virus software on a

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:54 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: On 25 May 2011 at 13:22, Eric Dannewitz wrote: And Macs do not have viruses. Ever. They have had a couple of malware and trojans, but not a virus. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the vernacular use of the term

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2011 at 17:21, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:54 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: On 25 May 2011 at 13:22, Eric Dannewitz wrote: And Macs do not have viruses. Ever. They have had a couple of malware and trojans, but not a virus.

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Jesus..you are giving a link to a site that is referring to OS 6? And the second link doesn't say ANYTHING relevant. So System 6 is your proof? That was what, 1990? 20 years ago? Really? Ok, let me correct myself, Mac OS X has never had a virus. Nada. I have not heard of ONE outbreak of a

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Steve Parker
On 25 May 2011, at 21:52, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: But here is a list: http://www.iantivirus.com/threats/index/query/V/ Most of this list is from the early '90s, some I remember and they were proof of concept viruses created by anti-virus software manufacturers, which still required

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
What I mean is that Macs have had 2 Trojans, one of which was caused by people downloading Pirated versions of iLife 09. The other is this Defender thing that is going around. That is it. So.very very very very very very rare I guess. Like getting hit by a baseball, in a thunder storm,

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: And yet, there are unix viruses too. The oldest trojans were unix based. Macs these days are not virus-free because of lower market share but because of inherent UNIX security. I wish I could disable some of it, but a

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Jesus..you are giving a link to a site that is referring to OS 6? And the second link doesn't say ANYTHING relevant. So System 6 is your proof? That was what, 1990? 20 years ago? Really? Hey you're the one that

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2011 at 14:11, Eric Dannewitz wrote: What I mean is that Macs have had 2 Trojans, one of which was caused by people downloading Pirated versions of iLife 09. The other is this Defender thing that is going around. That is it. So.very very very very very very rare I guess. Like

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wed May 25, at WednesdayMay 25 4:52 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: You want to argue semantics now over what Virus and Malware is? But here is a list: http://www.iantivirus.com/threats/index/query/V/ and for more recent vintage stuff:

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wed May 25, at WednesdayMay 25 6:04 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: So, there really is not much difference in this area between Windows and Mac except for two factors: 1. lots of Windows user are still running WinXP as administrator, which makes them inherently vulnerable to the maximum

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2011 at 17:14, Christopher Smith wrote: BTW, David has been making cogent points, except that not ALL the bundled software with new Macs are the full-fledged programs. Some are only demo versions, like Pages. Having never bought a Windows machine, I couldn't compare the quantities.

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2011 at 17:14, Christopher Smith wrote: I do make a distinction between viruses and other malware, because of the way viruses can be distributed with very little action on the part of the victims. I don't think that's really the proper distinction. And I'm not certain what the

Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

2011-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2011 at 18:24, Christopher Smith wrote: On Wed May 25, at WednesdayMay 25 6:04 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: So, there really is not much difference in this area between Windows and Mac except for two factors: 1. lots of Windows user are still running WinXP as administrator,