Re: [Finale] Finale 1.0

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Could you post a screenshot of that? I'd love to see what it looks like.

Thanks

Kim

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne <
raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:

> Finale 1.0 is running…… amazing!
>
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[Finale] O.T. Steinberg announces Dorico

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Hi all:

Dorico will be the name of the new music engraving software to be released
this Fall; it was put together by David Spreadbury and a group of coders
who had previously collaborated on Sibelius. Dorico was a three year
effort. The press release is @
http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/steinberg-announces-dorico-availability-in-q4-2016/

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Re: [Finale] 18th Century horn notation and playback on Finale, 2012

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Paul Bryan ( a J. Wanhal specialist and a former Duke University brass
professor, thinks all the high horn references that H.C. Robbins Landon
claimed for Haydn and Mozart, isn't true. Paul Bryan has written a
monograph on that subject.

Good luck,
Kim

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Lawrence  wrote:

> As Jiminy Cricket almost said, "Always let your context be your guide"
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 28 Jan 2015, at 10:41 pm, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would add to this that in the case of Mozart and Haydn, unless it says
> Bb
> > basso it is Bb-alto. (In the 19th century the reverse is true.) I also
> > think that Horn C-alto becomes more common as you move earlier in the
> 18th
> > century. So London Haydn Horn in C is basso but Esterhazy Haydn Horn in C
> > is (or at least may be) C alto. If it isn't clearly marked, an analysis
> of
> > the voicing of the horns with the other instruments is probably
> necessary.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Kenneth Moore 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> On 28/01/2015 11:04:25 , Martin Banner wrote:
> >>> I am currently preparing a modern performing edition of an 18th Century
> >>> Italian sacred work for chorus, strings, oboes and two horns.
> >>> All you horn specialists (and I know there are some of you out there
> who
> >>> have been of great help to me in the past), please weigh in on this
> >> and help
> >>> me figure this out.
> >>
> >> There is a good article at
> >> http://www.compositiontoday.com/articles/natural_horn.asp, from which I
> >> quote:
> >>
> >>  * Horn in C alto—reads concert pitch (like a C trumpet)—very bright
> sound
> >>  * Horn in B—not used
> >>  * Horn in B-flat alto—concert pitch sounds down a whole step from the
> >>notated pitch
> >>  * Horn in A—sounds down a minor third—bright but more centered
> >>  * Horn in A-flat—rare
> >>  * Horn in G-sounds down a perfect fourth
> >>  * Horn in F-sharp—rare
> >>  * Horn in F—notated just like the modern horn
> >>  * Horn in E—sounds down a minor sixth
> >>  * Horn in E-flat—sounds down a major sixth—full, rich tone color
> >>  * Horn in D—sounds down a minor seventh
> >>  * Horn in D-flat—rare
> >>  * Horn in C basso—sounds down an octave from notated pitch—dark tone
> >>  * Horn in B—rare
> >>  * Horn in B-flat basso—sounds down a major ninth-- very dark, almost
> >>muffled sound
> >>  * Horn in A basso-- rare
> >>
> >> I have never met Horn in C alto and would always assume that "Horn in C"
> >> meant basso unless there was some evidence to the contrary. Horns in Bb
> >> basso occur in Mozart, Brahms, and R Strauss.  I have only ever met A
> >> and Ab basso in Italian music (Verdi Requiem). Again I would interpret
> >> "Horn in A" or "Horn in Ab" as alto in music of any other nationality.
> >>
> >> Ken Moore
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Re: [Finale] OT: Baroque Articulation

[Kim Patrick Clow]

It's such a thorny issue because in many baroque parts, the markings are so
inconsistent (sometimes they are clearly staccato markings, but in a set of
doublet-parts, where there are two copies of violin 1, the same bar will
have wedges / daggers. My editor has suggested to duplicate the markings as
found in the sources and note the inconsistently and let the performers
make their own decisions. Most musicians who are trained in early music or
perform on historical instruments will make their own choices anyway.

Thanks
Kim


Am 20.05.2014 um 18:02 schrieb Lawrence Yates :
>
> > For those who transcribe baroque manuscripts.
> >
> > Am I correct in assuming that the articulation mark that looks like a
> > modern staccatissimo "dagger" should be transcribed as a modern staccato
> > dot?
> >
> > It has been suggested to me that it should be interpreted as an
> articulated
> > note and not necessarily as a staccato in the modern sense (or is this
> > rubbish?)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Lawrence
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Re: [Finale] OT Horn question

[Kim Patrick Clow]

I apologize, I should have asked what period the music in question was
written.
But for baroque / early classical music, + was definitely a mordent for
trills.



On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:30 PM,  wrote:

> I’ve never seen this marking refer to a trill but almost always to
> “stopped” which means the right hand completely closes the opening of the
> bell of the horn.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tim Johnson
>
> Sent from Surface Pro
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Kim Patrick Clow
> Sent: ‎Saturday‎, ‎May‎ ‎17‎, ‎2014 ‎5‎:‎28‎ ‎PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
>
>
>
>
>
> +"
> articulation marks above them
>
> That's a older variant for "trill"
>
>
> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Peter Taylor  >wrote:
>
> > Advice please.  I'm doing a rush job (as always!) to prepare wind parts
> > from
> > a composer's printed "manuscript", which is in concert pitch throughout
> > (and
> > so reduced in size that I need a magnifying glass).  The band due to play
> > it
> > has only one horn at present and I'm having to cue the other three horns
> > onto other instruments where necessary.
> >
> > In one place where the horns are not covered, their notes have "+"
> > articulation marks above them.   What does this mean and what is the
> effect
> > on the sound?  The notes are close to middle C so I have a wide choice of
> > instruments to cue them to.  What would be the most suitable band
> > instrument
> > to imitate this sound?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Peter
> >
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Re: [Finale] OT Horn question

[Kim Patrick Clow]

+"
articulation marks above them

That's a older variant for "trill"


On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Peter Taylor wrote:

> Advice please.  I'm doing a rush job (as always!) to prepare wind parts
> from
> a composer's printed "manuscript", which is in concert pitch throughout
> (and
> so reduced in size that I need a magnifying glass).  The band due to play
> it
> has only one horn at present and I'm having to cue the other three horns
> onto other instruments where necessary.
>
> In one place where the horns are not covered, their notes have "+"
> articulation marks above them.   What does this mean and what is the effect
> on the sound?  The notes are close to middle C so I have a wide choice of
> instruments to cue them to.  What would be the most suitable band
> instrument
> to imitate this sound?
>
> Thanks
> Peter
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Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:


There is absolutely no question that there is a body of potential
> customers who would like to use computer notation, but the products have
> such a steep learning curve that they give up.  We all know people like
> that.
>

If they thought Finale and Sibelius were difficult, Score would have them
reaching for the Advil bottle  ;)

THAT is one difficult program to master. Wowsa.


Thanks,
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Re: [Finale] IMSLP down?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

They mentioned on their Twitter the servers were being moved. It should be
back up shortly.


Thanks.
Kim


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Giovanni Andreani  wrote:

> Working fine here in Italy
>
> Giovanni
>
>
> 
>
> Giovanni Andreani
>
> www.giovanniandreani.eu
>
> >Hi gang,
> >
> >Anyone know whether this is just a temporary outage? Or is the IMSLP
> >Petrucci Music Library RIP?
> >
> >http://imslp.org/
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >- DJA
> >-
> >WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
> >
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[Finale] O.T. Microfilm question

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Hi everyone:

I'm considering ordering microfilms of unique sources in Germany. The
archive offers print outs from their own copies of the films, but it's
pretty expensive (1.00  EU per sheet, and each cantata could have up
to 30 pages). I'm involved in a large planned project doing dozens of
these cantatas, so the cost is a factor. The library does offer copies
of the films, much more reasonable prices: about 50 EU per film, with
25 cantatas per roll. A printer reader at the NYPL charges 15 cents
per page. Much much cheaper.

I've noticed with the print outs I've ordered from this same archive,
they're able to get two sheets of the original source onto a single
sheet of A4 paper. My biggest concern here in NYC, if I decide to
order the films-- finding a library with a reader lens that will zoom
out far enough to at least get a single page of the source on a single
page of paper. TYPICALLY, libraries use zoom lenses because of
periodicals and newspaper articles. If I have to use three pages to
get a single page of the source, there goes any cost savings.  I also
have to scan all these pages into PDF format too.

Would anyone know what type of lens I would need to "pull back" out
enough to get an entire page on a print out?

BTW, this archive does NOT offer digital images, and the sources are
not online anywhere.

Thanks for any advice or suggestions

Kim
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[Finale] O.T. Leopold Hoffmann Sinfonia thematic index

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Good day:

I have discovered there are apparently two thematic indices for
Leopold Hoffmann's symphonies. One was done by a  George Cook Kimball
for his dissertation in the mid 1980s, and was included in the Garland
series on the 18th century (general editor Barry S. Brook). But
apparently Alan Badley, who works with Naxos and their publishing arm
(Artaria) prepared another index, but I can't seem to locate this
either as a published book or a dissertation (Badley DID prepare a
index of the concerti for his Ph.D however). I'd be so grateful if
anyone could help find that Badley index for the symphonies, or if
they have any suggestions.

Thanks!
Kim
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Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
>
> YeahrobustI don't know of anyone using WordPerfect and didn't
> know the company was still making it...


Well despite who you know (and their software choices): WordPerfect is
a mainstay in the legal profession, and is used by the Dept of
Justice; WordPefect has a strong following in academia. Corel seems to
have a very healthy relationship with their WordPerfect customers too.

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[Finale] Youtube / music videos and revenue sharing question

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Hi everyone:

A friend suggested that I do Youtube videos (instructional type), and
make some money that way. Since I already have about 115 videos of
music editions uploaded already I assumed, why not at least "monetize"
them and get started right away. But apparently if you have music, the
Youtube automated system flags your video, and sends you a review
notice, asking for details. I had to do that about ten times last
night.  Then today I get an E-mail from Youtube stating I've been
removed from their revenue sharing plan: because I have so many videos
posted that would would appear to have copyright issues. But they're
not: the videos are my renderings of my music editions (of public
domain music-- all of it from the 18th century). I even make my own
"art" for the videos (usually an image of the source and I colorize it
or do other things in Photoshop).

So right now I have to manually appeal EACH video. And I've done that
with two of them so far. But my question is: what happens in the
future as I generate more video content? Anyone know of a better way
to do this? I assume record labels must have some sort of automatic
flag posting approval for any content they post. And you can't just
call up a customer service agent at Youtube. Although considering the
amount of money involved for Google from Youtube, I have NO idea why
they don't. Does anyone know of a work-around or a better way?

Thanks for ANY help or suggestions ;)

Kim
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Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
 wrote:

>
> As for Finale itself dying, I don't know and hope not. Nothing good enough has
> come along to replace it for my work.

I wondered why you don't use Score? I know the gentleman who edited
and typeset the Charles Ives 4th critical edition in Score, and what
the program can do (and the edition itself) are absolutely amazing. It
has a massive learning curve. And I think it would be helpful to have
a mentor show you the ropes while learning it.

Thanks
Kim
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Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Robert Patterson
 wrote:
> In fairness, I don't think Henry ever had any intention of closing down
> this list. I believe his frustration was directed at the Finale *program*!
>

That's how I read it as well. ;)

Thanks
Kim
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Re: [Finale] Fwd: [MLA-L] David Fenton

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:52 PM, David H. Bailey
 wrote:

> No -- Steve Jobs is working on an app to allow people from the other
> side to communicate with the living through their iPhone, iPod-Touch or
> iPad.
>

I guess that's not being ported to the Android format then? :/

Thanks
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Re: [Finale] Fwd: [MLA-L] David Fenton

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Randolph Peters  wrote:
> I'm sorry to hear about David's passing.
>
>
> It IS our David, by the way. Just look at his own signature from letters to 
> this list:
>
> David W. Fenton                    http://dfenton.com
> David Fenton Associates       http://dfenton.com/DFA/
>
> The first link shows his picture with his viol consort.
>
> Eric, research is a good thing in cases such as this.
>
> -Randolph Peters
>

Yep. He lived in New York and offered to lend me some of the Telemann
Barenreiter editions he owned.

Thanks

Kim

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Re: [Finale] Fwd: [MLA-L] David Fenton

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Wade KOTTER  wrote:
> It's not funny at all, Eric. I was honestly apologizing if my original
> report was incorrect, but I don't think it is.


It's not Wade, it's the same gentleman. And thanks for letting us know.


Take care

Kim
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Re: [Finale] Fwd: [MLA-L] David Fenton

[Kim Patrick Clow]

It's the one and same David Fenton. He did not live in San Francisco.
His computer consulting business was based out of New Jersey (across
the Hudson in Weehawken)

Thanks

Kim

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
> this is NOT the same guy people.
>
> This list's Dave fenton lives in the San Francisco bay area
>
> Totally false people.
>
>
> Sent from my iSomething
> --
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Wade KOTTER  wrote:
>
>> Here's a tribute from the NYU Department of Music:
>>
>> http://music.as.nyu.edu/object/music.fenton
>>
>> And here's some information on the viol consort David belonged to:
>>
>> http://tearesofthemuses.com/Biographies/
>>
>> Ironically, I ordered their new CD for our collection just a few days
>> ago.
>>
>> Wade
>>
> On 11/9/2011 at 8:16 AM, in message
>> <1320851802.93869.yahoomail...@web111207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Michael
>> Mathew
>>  wrote:
>>> I always appreciated reading his comments and advice.
>>>
>>> Michael Mathew
>>> mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com
>>> http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl
>>> http://oregonmts.com/mathew/
>>>
>>>
 
 From: Wade KOTTER 
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:50 AM
 Subject: [Finale] Fwd: [MLA-L] David Fenton

 I believe this is the David Fenton who often posted to this list. I
>> know
 he was often difficult to deal with, but I still think he should be
 remembered with appreciation for his various contributions as a
>> musician
 and a musicologist.

 --
 Dr. Wade Kotter
 Social Sciences & Music Librarian
 Professor of Library Science
 Adjunct Faculty, Anthropology
 Stewart Library
 Weber State University
 2901 University Circle
 Ogden, UT 84408-2901

 Voice: 801-626-7458
 Fax: 801-626-7045

 wkot...@weber.edu
 http://library.weber.edu/cm/wkotter


>>> On 11/9/2011 at 7:36 AM, in message
 ,
 "Fairtile, Linda"  wrote:
> It's my sad duty to report the death of David Fenton, an
>> occasional
 poster to
> MLA-L.  He passed away last week, after a chronic illness suddenly
>>
> intensified.
>
> David earned a B.Mus. in piano performance from the Oberlin
 Conservatory and
> an M.A. in musicology from New York University.  He is the author
>> of
 Grove
> articles on the piano quartet and piano quintet, and had been
>> working
 on a
> Ph.D. dissertation titled "The Piano Quartet and Quintet in Vienna,
>>
> 1780-1810."  He was a member of the NYU Collegium viol consort
>> known
 as The
> Teares of the Muses, and had prepared the edition of Samuel
 Capricornus's
> "Ein Lämmlein" used in their latest recording.  In addition, he
 worked as a
> computer consultant and software developer.
>
> David was a brilliant man with an intense intellectual passion.
>> He
 was both
> a friend and an inspiration to me, and to others in the musical
 community.
>
> Linda Fairtile
>
> --
> Linda B. Fairtile, Ph.D.
> Head, Parsons Music Library
> Modlin Center for the Arts
> University of Richmond, VA 23173
> 804 287-6849
> lfair...@richmond.edu
>
> Co-Director
> American Institute for Verdi Studies
> New York University
> Music Department
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Re: [Finale] OT: music collection database? Mac, or cross-platform

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On 26 Oct 2011 at 9:56, David H. Bailey wrote

I'm just trying to point out potential pitfalls, and with the way most
computer users never back up their data, it's a serious potential
pitfall.  Or not, since apparently you think all computer users are gods
of the backup and would never have a chance to lose their data when the
online database goes away.

Even backups aren't enough. I had a friend who was burglarized-- all
the computers in his home were stolen. He never bothered with remote
backup and would not send DVD back ups to friends for safe keeping. I
understand he lost YEARS of work.

Thanks
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Re: [Finale] OT: Selling your CDs and Sales Tax

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Well, that's why God made tax accountants.

But you're welcome anyway.

Kim

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:14 PM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:
> On 27 Sep 2011 at 14:46, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
>
>> http://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/publications/sales/pub750.pdf
>>
>> Hope this helps David.
>
> It doesn't help in the slightest. It's too much information and I
> don't know how to interpret any of it, nor what applies and what
> doesn't.
>
> --
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> David Fenton Associates       http://dfenton.com/DFA/
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Re: [Finale] OT: Selling your CDs and Sales Tax

[Kim Patrick Clow]

http://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/publications/sales/pub750.pdf

Hope this helps David.

Thanks
Kim

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:34 PM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:
> I know many on the list play in groups that have made CDs that they
> will sell at concerts/gigs. I'm wondering if anybody knows what the
> deal is in the US (New York State, specifically) with sales tax:
>
> That is, if you're selling your CDs after a concert/gig, are you
> responsible for paying sales tax? Or is this one of those things
> where the buyer is responsible for it?
>
> Anybody know?
>
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Re: [Finale] O.T. 18th century notation question

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Here is the first page of my (very  much a work in progress score):

http://i.imgur.com/zuEQR.png

Thanks Klaus!

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre <
yorkmaster...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have tried establishing scores from old, that is pre-1900, band parts
> made available in scans by the US-LOC. Also there inconsistency is a
> problem. However comparative reading of parts often is helpful.
>
> Maybe not very scholarly, but just down to earth practical, I would like to
> know the articulations in the other parts for the two beats in question. My
> immediate suspicion is that the harmony changes between them, or that the
> same chord is redistributed in a way leaving only this part repeating the
> same note. I might guess that the moving parts have these two beats
> slurred.
>
> Klaus
>
>
>
> >____
> >From: Kim Patrick Clow 
> >To: finale@shsu.edu
> >Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 11:26 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Finale] O.T. 18th century notation question
> >
> >Thanks for all the help everyone.
> >
> >I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but Peter Brown's thematic
> >index has this symbol as tied notes with staccato markings above the
> notes.
> >
> >I'm working on a source from Florence, Italy, and there are only two
> others
> >(one is in Vienna, and another in the Czech Republic). Maybe the other
> >sources are more clear.
> >
> >But I showed the screen shot to Dr. Paul Bryan (editor of the Wanhal
> >thematic index) and he said that the Florence source was in a Vienna
> >copyist's handwriting).
> >
> >And on a side note: I can't tell you how frustrating the parts are-- the
> >inconsistencies on everything- dynamic marks, articulations. I don't know
> >how the musicians
> >performed the music in really acceptable manner, but I know, performance
> >standards were much much different back then.
> >
> >Thanks again!
> >
> >Kim
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Finale] O.T. 18th century notation question

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Thanks for all the help everyone.

I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but Peter Brown's thematic
index has this symbol as tied notes with staccato markings above the notes.

I'm working on a source from Florence, Italy, and there are only two others
(one is in Vienna, and another in the Czech Republic). Maybe the other
sources are more clear.

But I showed the screen shot to Dr. Paul Bryan (editor of the Wanhal
thematic index) and he said that the Florence source was in a Vienna
copyist's handwriting).

And on a side note: I can't tell you how frustrating the parts are-- the
inconsistencies on everything- dynamic marks, articulations. I don't know
how the musicians
performed the music in really acceptable manner, but I know, performance
standards were much much different back then.

Thanks again!

Kim

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:30 PM, John Howell  wrote:

> At 11:25 AM -0400 9/1/11, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
> >Good day kind Finale users!
> >
> >I have a question about an Ordonez symphony source. There is a squiggly
> line
> >above two notes, almost like a tie, but it's not.
> >
> >It's used several times and my editor and publisher is stumped by it (and
> >he's a violinist).
> >
> >Any guesses?
> >
> >A screen shot is viewable @ http://i.imgur.com/6YbcE.png
> >
> >Thanks very kindly
> >
> >Kim
>
> Kim:  I've never seen this, but my first reaction
> was that it was probably an ornament sign,
> perhaps even an indication to add vibrato (which
> was still considered an ornament).  But since in
> every case it appears over two repeated notes,
> that doesn't make much sense.  My best guess (and
> it's only a guess, based on the context) is that
> it's some kind of articulation mark, as you said,
> almost like a tie, but perhaps indicating a
> portato bowing with both notes in the same bow.
> That would make very good sense in terms of the
> bowing that would result, but again, it's only a
> guess.
>
> When I have time I'll look for an article on
> Articulations in New Grove and see whether it
> turns up.
>
> John
>
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Re: [Finale] O.T. Acorn system and old files

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Thanks, but I think he has old Acorn files, not the Acorn version of
Sibelius, which the Finn brothers wrote ;)

Kim

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:

> Hello Kim,
>
> It looks like Sibelius would bring in Acorn files until version 6. So if
> your friend can get a copy of an old version of Sibelius this might work.
>
> >From
>
> http://www.sibelius.com/download/documentation/pdfs/sibelius6-upgrading-en.p
> df
>
> "Unless you need to use one of the small number of features that has been
> removed from Sibelius 6 (such as importing Finale, SCORE and Acorn Sibelius
> files)..."
>
> I've never tried it so I'm not sure how well it imports. Good luck.
> Steve
>
>
> 9/2/11 2:46 PM, "Kim Patrick Clow"  wrote:
>
> > Good day all:
> >
> > A non tech savy friend of mine started using music engraving many years
> ago
> > in the United Kingdom on the Acorn system, which eventually went out of
> > business.
> >
> > He has *hundreds of files* now that he can't open. There was a PC
> software
> > application that was an Acorn emulator, but the issue was it was such a
> > major hassle to generate PDFs (actually I think EPS files-- and the
> margins
> > had to be constantly changed, etc).
> >
> > Recently, he came across a Linux version of the Acorn program and the
> > install was pretty harrowing for him.
> >
> > I would think the best option would be to find an old Acorn system, and
> > somehow load the files and simply print them out. and scan them into
> either
> > Finale or Sibelius.
> >
> > Would anyone have suggestions or advice?
> >
> >
> > Thank you kindly
> >
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[Finale] O.T. Acorn system and old files

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Good day all:

A non tech savy friend of mine started using music engraving many years ago
in the United Kingdom on the Acorn system, which eventually went out of
business.

He has *hundreds of files* now that he can't open. There was a PC software
application that was an Acorn emulator, but the issue was it was such a
major hassle to generate PDFs (actually I think EPS files-- and the margins
had to be constantly changed, etc).

Recently, he came across a Linux version of the Acorn program and the
install was pretty harrowing for him.

I would think the best option would be to find an old Acorn system, and
somehow load the files and simply print them out. and scan them into either
Finale or Sibelius.

Would anyone have suggestions or advice?


Thank you kindly

Kim
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[Finale] O.T. 18th century notation question

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Good day kind Finale users!

I have a question about an Ordonez symphony source. There is a squiggly line
above two notes, almost like a tie, but it's not.

It's used several times and my editor and publisher is stumped by it (and
he's a violinist).

Any guesses?


A screen shot is viewable @ http://i.imgur.com/6YbcE.png

Thanks very kindly

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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:

> Jesus..you are giving a link to a site that is referring to OS 6? And the 
> second link doesn't say ANYTHING relevant. So System 6 is your "proof"? That 
> was what, 1990? 20 years ago? Really?

Hey you're the one that said there hasn't been a Mac virus. Not me.
Don't get mad.
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
>
And yet, there are unix viruses too. The oldest trojans were unix based.

>
> Macs these days are not virus-free because of lower market share but because
> of inherent UNIX security.
> I wish I could disable some of it, but a mac 'virus' would need to be run
> despite the mac asking for your password thrice,
> calling you an idiot once then asking for your gran's password..
>
> Mac antivirus creators are 'fishing'..
>
> Steve P.
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:54 PM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:
> On 25 May 2011 at 13:22, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
>
>> And Macs do not have viruses. Ever. They have had a couple of malware
>> and trojans, but not a virus.
>
> Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the vernacular use of the term
> "virus", but the fact is, when somebody talks about needing anti-
> virus software on a PC, they mean to protect against malware and
> Trojans and worms.
>
> So, what you really mean is:
>
> Macs CAN have "viruses", but they are very rare.
>

That's because they have such a small market share. Why bother writing
viruses, maleware, etc  that would only affect 10 percent of
computers,  and very few are enterprise systems at all.


Thanks
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

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On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
> Sigh.where is the "facts" to support this? There is absolutely NO PROOF 
> of this. Period. Apple simply took the great selling App Store they had for 
> their iOS devices and brought it to the Mac. Yes, they are a little strict 
> but one does not have to get their software through that.
>
> And Macs do not have viruses. Ever. They have had a couple of malware and 
> trojans, but not a virus.

That's hysterical Eric. Really.  Just on face value that's a ton of
laughs. You want to argue semantics now over what "Virus" and
"Malware" is?

But here is a list:

http://www.iantivirus.com/threats/index/query/V/

and for more recent vintage stuff:

http://antivirus.downloadatoz.com/news/41,top-4-antivirus-software-for-mac-os-x-lion.html


>
> There is a lot of FUD going on here..


Yes, I agree.

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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:36 PM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:
> On 25 May 2011 at 14:06, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:

> Anyone who is intellectually honest has to recognize the superiority
> of Apple's hardware and software. It just isn't an issue that's
> disputable.


That's a "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy, if I have ever heard one.


> However, not that I'm not an Apple user at all -- I don't like Macs
> and feel very uncomfortable using them. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool
> Windows user and think Windows 7 is pretty wonderful and promote it
> to all and sundry.

Ditto that.

> But that doesn't stop me from being able to recognize the strengths
> of Apple's hardware and software.
>
> Of course, that's because it's not a religious issue for me -- it's a
> matter of evaluting information objectively.

And of course, saying your objective is well, pretty subjective.
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:26 PM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:
> On 24 May 2011 at 10:59, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
>
>> The Mac is slightly lighter,
>
> Slightly? It weighs only 2/3s what the Acer does, 4.5 lbs. vs. over
> 6. That's a HUGE difference.

Yeah, 1.5 lbs. OOoo how WILL I lift that laptop!?


>
> The bundled software on Windows PCs is crapware -- free stuff that is
> intended as marketing to get people to buy the pay version.
>
> The bundled software on Macs is REAL SOFTWARE that is very well-
> designed, full-featured, and not installed as an enticement to buy
> the "pro" version.

So what? I stated it's not anything I would use either on the PC or
MAC, regardless of what type it is. But here's a free clue:
I could still buy several software applications as good as what's on
the Mac and still come out ahead.  But it's a moot point:
I don't buy the computer for the software it has, because I already
own copies of what I need and upgrade them as they become obsolete.
And I have a lot more software options than the limited Apple market
(which as I stated going to get more narrow in the future with Lion's
move to "isolate" viruses in software by limiting even further what
apps they'll offer)



> You are not reading for content.

Neither are you.

> I've not told you anything about
> what you should or should not value, or which computer you should or
> should not buy.

Neither did I. Actually I stated my personal experiences with Apple:
they've not been good. I offered another website as a suggested
vehicle for finding good deals for any platform, I only mentioned a
good deal I found as an example of that. You asked for a hardware
comparison, I gave you one, and then did exactly what you told me not
to do: nitpick on things that are not important and talk about
software as adding value to computer when it's not a factor for my
purchase in the first place. And if they're such great value: why are
they only ten percent of the market share after nearly 25 years in
business? Is the market that wrong? Apple products appeal to a small
but very vocal and loyal fan base.

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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

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On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:

> I think no one care about what you have to say. Consumer Reports.highest 
> rated. They could have argued as you do but did not. They see the facts. Your 
> arguments are old and tired. Yet you continue.
>


Highest rated by Apple consumers, notoriously religious about their
products. So highly rated they only are 10 percent of the United
States market and only 5 worldwide (excluding Amazon, where Glenn Beck
and Apple rank no 1 by REAL people).


Most people pick cheaper computers that are just as good for the
general market  (i.e. not niche market users).


I'll have three pints with all that money I've saved.


*Wink wink*


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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Sorry, misfired communique ;)

My apologies.

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> Hello Kim,
>
> Wow! My first post on this list in many months and first post to this thread
> and you attack me for "personal insults and puns on list participants last
> names"...huh? I think you've got the wrong guy.
>
> Have a pint.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
>
> 5/25/11 12:55 PM, "Kim Patrick Clow"  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
>>> Thanks John for taking the reigns. These horses were getting out of control.
>>
>>
>> Actually you were getting way out of control with the personal insults
>> and puns on list participants last names.
>> And then whined about childish behavior.
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

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Yeah,

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
> Hmmm, it's almost like they came to my defense. Or getting a supreme
> court ruling in ones favor..but Macs are niche computers.
>
>
> Sent from my iSomething
>
> On May 25, 2011, at 7:23 AM, "Fiskum, Steve"  wrote:
>
>> Thanks John for taking the reigns. These horses were getting out of control.
>>
>> To clear up some misinformation that was part of this thread, please look at
>> the CURRENT issue (June 2011) of Consumer Reports which tells a very
>> different story than what was incorrectly reported here about MACs. I would
>> post the link to the Consumer Reports article but you need a subscription.
>>
>> http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/25/macbooks-get-highest-score-in-all-consumer-re
>> ports-categories/


Apple computer users and  fans are notoriously religious about their
support for their products, so I'm not surprised at that result ;)
And yes, they're still a niche market item, and have about 10 percent
share of the market no matter how much hand waving you do. And as I
clearly showed yesterday (which no one rebutted), you can get a
comparable computer at a significant savings. You shared personal
stories about your experiences with Apple computers, I shared mine:
they suck.

Thanks! :-)

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On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> Thanks John for taking the reigns. These horses were getting out of control.


Actually you were getting way out of control with the personal insults
and puns on list participants last names.
And then whined about childish behavior.
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

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On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 8:15 AM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:

>
> Prove it! I am certain that if I compared your $300 PC laptop to the
> cheapest Mac laptop, your cheapo PC will come up way short on
> important features/components. Those may not matter to you (i.e., you
> may not need those features), but that's not the point -- the point
> is that if you configure a PC comparably to a Mac model it costs the
> same or more.

Let's see: my "CHEAP" computer (you say that like it's an insult, but whatevah)

Intel Pentium T4500 Dual Core processor
3GB DDR3 system memory
2.30GHz, 800MHz Front Side Bus, 1MB L2 Cache
* 250GB SATA hard drive
SuperMulti DVD burner
Built in HD Webcam
Software included: Windows 7, Cyberlink PowerDVD, NTI Media Maker,
Microsoft Office Student Edition, and Back-Up manager software
Built in multi-card reader
* 10/100 Ethernet; 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi
15.6" diagonal HD CineCrystal LCD widescreen display
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500M with up to 1695MB of Intel
Dynamic Video Memory Technology 5.0


Cheapest Mac:
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB on-chip shared L2 cache
1066MHz frontside bus
2GB (two 1GB SO-DIMMs
AirPort Extreme 802.11n Wi-Fi wireless networking;2 IEEE 802.11a/b/g compatible
13.3-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit glossy widescreen display with
support for millions of colors
250GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard disk drive; optional 320GB or 500GB
5400-rpm drive4
8x slot-loading SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

300.00 versus 999.00


The Mac is slightly lighter, has a harder polycarbonate plastic case.
Big deal. Not worth spending the 600 dollars I saved, because I'm not
in the habit of throwing my property around. And I'm not swayed by any
the bundled software included on the Mac, I don't use that on Windows
either. After all, I don't buy computers for software, I buy them for,
well computers! Fancy that! So here, have your slice of crow pie too.
Or you going to nitpick this to death and tell me why the features I
think are not important are really not important?  Being the betting
man that I am, I'm willing to predict yes.



> That does not mean that some people won't find the cheapo PC fine for
> their needs. It only means that the conventional wisdom about Macs
> being more expensive is WRONG.


Not really, I've seen some of the articles about that, and most of the
comparisons are crap. Ya know Apples and Oranges ? *Wink wink wink* I
think it depends on a case by case situation.

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On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:


>
>
> Sigh.that doesn't mean anything. That simply means How many things are
> on the net that are visiting sites that report the traffic to quantcast. It
> doesn't distinguish between say a computer used in a corporation and one
> that is being used in a home. It's flawed.

So now the argument is: sales of units and website statistics isn't
indicative of how much market share Apple has (the same figures that
stock analysts use and Apple would use in its planning(, and your
personal data from your websites trumps all of that? Come on dude,
you're going to get higher Apple users on browsers because your
websites are music related. That's like saying you manage graphic
websites and "Wow! 50 percent of my website visitors use Apples!" It's
an important market for you and your websites. It's funny that the web
browsing statistics pretty much jells with units sold.


http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-cracks-10-pc-market-share-for-first-time-in-decades/63273


> Smartphones? Hano no. Apple has surpassed them handily.hence their
> need to partner with Microsoft. Nokia has been in decline for a while now.
> It's pretty much dead in the states, and in Europe apple Is killing them.
>
> http://internet2go.net/news/data-and-forecasts/idc-apple-passes-nokia-europe-q1-smartphone-sales
>


So you brag about a specific sales figure, I show you a considerably
bigger one for Nokia,  you go find iPhone stats for Europe, and shout
"Victory!" Nice cherry picking.

iOs has 15 percent of units sold compared to 60 plus for the others
(Symbian, Android, and Microsoft) 1Q11:

http://www.techshout.com/general/2011/23/gartner-mobile-communication-device-sales-touch-428-million-in-1q11/
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

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On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
> I think it's funny when old people get upset. You are like what, 60,
> and you are using childish references, Glenn beck pictures, and
> O'Reily references that maybe two other people get? And ass
> references? Really?

I think it's funnier you're upset, for a guy who used personal insults
based on a list participant's name, and whining about childish antics,
well that's even funnier.

> Sales figures matter. Why would Apple be in the tops there if they
> didn't make good products? And 10% of the market is not a true figure.
> That is figuring in work machines.

No, it's based on web analytics, not sales. "Unlike determining market
share by units sold, Qauntcast measures OS share by comparing the
operating system of users via the company's "audience measurement
services," similar to statistics gathered by Net Applications. Such
usage patterns can give us a rough idea of the installed base of an OS
among end users." Those end users aren't imaginary people, or "unreal"
people. Sounds like you're the one with vision issues. *Wink wink*


> area now for whatever reason. Of course you think apple has problems
> with it's phones but again, the sales numbers don't show that at
> all..but doesn't really matter for a myopic such as yourself.
> didn't they sell something like 18 million of those phones last
> quarter?

So what, Nokia sold 107.6 million mobile devices in the first quarter of 2011.



> I never say NOT to get windows. Just don't get the $300 machine. Its
> clown-ish. Again, even D. Fenton agrees that it is stupid.


That's nice, dear.
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

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On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
> Oh, but you spent lots of money on a niche product. You could have
> bought 2 or more $300 laptops that could do all what you want.
>
> The iMac is really nice. The displays are nice. And it is nearly
> silent. A 27" iMac and a 30" external monitor would be amazing. Have
> you done that? How would you arrange the score with two huge displays?
>
> I my macpro is pretty quite, and I have yet to max out the processors
> on it. I've mixed two jazz band albums using ProTools with it, and I
> don't think I even got anywhere close to 1/2 of the processing power
> even with all the plugins I was using. And this is a 2008 model.
> Though think of all the $300 laptops I could have bought!
>
> For finale stuff, I have no clue how much power it uses. A big band
> score with the garritan sounds works fine. The only time thing I ever
> had the computer choke on was lots of VIs in digital performer.
> Basically ran out of memory. Increasing the Mac to 8 gigs solved that.
>
> But I'm using a niche product.should have gotten a $300 laptop. It
> could do all that and then some. I could be on my second or third on
> by now.
>


Aw more butthurt:

LOL @ 950.00 27 inch monitor compared to HP's 27 version for only 320
@ the aforementioned Amazon, clearly someone is dedicated to their
product, no matter the price!
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

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On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Eric  wrote:
> Man, you are a moron huh? I mean, you are using Glenn beck and Bill
> O'Reilly? What purpose does bringing these people into this
> discussion?

Are you? I mean, it's one thing to have a debate about a platform and
your personal preferences, but if you wanted to raise the ante by
insulting someone, I can ramp it up too.  You brought up sales figures
on Amazon as some sort of justification of "well if it sells on
Amazon, that means I'm right." Did you miss the part where I pointed
out Apple is about 10 percent of the market, and they have and remain
a niche area in the market?




>  Whatever. I think anyone that reads your posts will see them for what
> they are.ill-informed. Apple makes great products, and if one is
> looking for a new system they should spend money on it. Windows
> systems as well, lots of ram, etc. NOT the $300 special Mr. Clown is
> suggesting.I mean, he knows all about stuff. He's on that Internet
> thing with the tubes. And can readily link to images of Glenn beck
>

I'm sorry Mr Dipshitz' butthurt is showing because someone doesn't
worship at the altar of Steve Job or suggests an alternative you don't
like. And your continued bringing up the 300 dollar laptop is pretty
lulz- worthy too. I mentioned that as a purchase at Deal News.com as
an example of a great deal I found there, and I specifically mentioned
they list great specials on any platform or vendor.

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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:

> Actually, no. But Clow(n) land seems to be really holding you tight.

Not so tight as things apparently over in Eric Dumbshitz land.


> Look, the fact is that a cheap laptop isn't going to hack it. Even David 
> Fenton agrees. And just bashing Apple products just shows ignorance on your 
> part.


Cry moar! Here have a hanky.

http://204.45.110.156/bin/052010/1272964790_glenn-beck-crying.gif
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:

> Really? You can't use Google? Or check CNet? Check Amazon (3 of the top 5 are 
> Apple Laptops, 5 of the top 10 are iMacs)? Or even check Consumer Reports?

>
> The evidence is out there.plain as day. They make excellent hardware. 
> #1-3 in Desktops on Amazon are held by Apple products.

That's right, and those same sources say the same about cheaper PCs:
they're all excellent. Bill O'Reilly's books are high ranking on
Amazon too, so that's not impressive by any measure -- never mind
overall Apple is still around 10 percent for desktops and laptops.
Z.Apple has and will remain a niche product for its fans.



> Point Game Match..

Sorry but Macs suck for games, you should get a PC!!! :-)


>
> I don't need a fork for the Clown Pie.it just makes a strange honking 
> noise..

Really? That sounds like some more personal experiences!

Thanks!

Kim
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:

> Sure it's not clown pie? That link is really old.they mention PowerBooks?
>

But it's more recent than any of your links, Oh wait, you haven't
provided anything other than your personal stories, and that great
extended Apple warranty.

Here, have a fork for your pie.


Thanks,
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
> Whatever he is eating/smoking I want some. I haven't seen anything
> remotely close to what you'd get with a stock MacBook.
>


Old link, but still pertinent:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6511774-10.html?tag=rb_content;rb_mtx

And that Acer was significantly cheaper than the Apple product.

Here, have some Crow Pie.

Thanks
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
> Sent from my iSomething
>
> On May 23, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Kim Patrick Clow  wrote:
>
>> Right, so Apple's limited warranty isn't any better than a standard
>> PC, and like them-- you can buy an extended warranty. But that's swell
>> of Apple to offer limited warranties on their products. And the point
>> for many people is bang for their buck and dollars when it comes to
>> laptops or computers: you get can buy  faster motherboards at a
>> cheaper price with a platform that's not nearly as restrictive as what
>> will be with Apple's Lion OS that's being touted: it even more
>> restrictive with less choices available.

>
> Apple is consistently rated like #1 in its products and stores

So your point about Apple's limited warranty and offering extended
coverage isn't any better than PC has no bearing on anything? Ok,
great. Moving on.
And there are plenty of Consumer Reports "Recommended Buys" for PC
etc, and cheaper.
As for their products, do you want to throw in the Android format
versus the iPhone and the numerous issues with its phones (Consumer
Reports can fill you in on that).


> You do know that windows generally needs to be reinstalled if you
> switch hardware.

So what? A lot of the software is pre-installed anyway, and that's not
a factor in buying an Apple product? I've known Apple users that had
to reinstall applications after a major Apple upgrade. If we limit
this to just installing Finale,
I mentioned earlier many on the list appear to install upgrades or
fixes anyways. *Shrug*

> And what fantasy world did you pull this BS about lion being more
> restrictive? I think 10.7 (Lion) will work across all mac nade within
> the last 4 years
>

You missed my point: Apple is going to a more restrictive model for
what software it will offer to sell on its Apps store: that means even
less software will be available in the future.
I live in the fantasy world where I can buy a computer that's cheaper,
runs more software and doesn't box me in.

Thanks!
Kim

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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

But you're not getting the same thing for $300 that you would if you
pad $800 for a Mac -- if you configured a Windows PC with comparable
specifications as the $800 Mac, it will cost about $800, too (and in
many cases, it will cost MORE).

Not in this case, really. I'm way ahead of you on this one.

Thanks

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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:

> But that's no a real good point. You then have several boat anchors (ie old 
> hardware) around, plus you have all the migration problems of getting your 
> old files and software to new machines.

Yeah, that's incredibly hard work! Most Finale users seem to buy the
software upgrades and new releases anyway.


> So if I spend $999 to get a MacBook, I could have gotten 2 1/2 $300 special 
> windows computers? That is "several"? Are you expecting them to die every 
> other year. I see that they only offer 1 year warranty on them. For like 
> another $100 I can bump Applecare up to 3 years.


Right, so Apple's limited warranty isn't any better than a standard
PC, and like them-- you can buy an extended warranty. But that's swell
of Apple to offer limited warranties on their products. And the point
for many people is bang for their buck and dollars when it comes to
laptops or computers: you get can buy  faster motherboards at a
cheaper price with a platform that's not nearly as restrictive as what
will be with Apple's Lion OS that's being touted: it even more
restrictive with less choices available.



>
> Yikes...no thanks. I don't want a machine crapping out on me ever two 
> years or so. Do you think the same way with cars? Houses? Instruments??

That's nice.


Thanks,
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
> There is a lot to consider here. Bigger screen doesn't mean better. You want 
> a good, high resolution screen. Not just a bigger screen. It could be 19" but 
> with a crappy display resolution.
>
> Blu Ray DVD? So now we are looking at entertainment machines? I don't think 
> you'd have an actual BluRay burner, because those are still around $200. It's 
> probably a BluRay reader and a DVD/CD Burner. But that really doesn't matter. 
> I can't think of the last time I had to actually burn something. Everything 
> is done with via the Net, like using DropBox to send PDFs to clients, or song 
> mixes or whatever.
>
> Never ever had an issue with Apple stuff, and if I did, I'd simply take it to 
> an Apple Store and have them look at it. Applecare is great (I hear).
>
> And 19" on a "Laptop".I know we Americans are getting fat but that is 
> like.huge. How practical is that? Like what 20lbs of "laptop"?
>
> Oh, also, I don't see HP ever making a 19" laptop..the biggest one of 
> that line Google says they make is 17"


Sorry -- typo-- it's 17 inch.

You're getting bogged down in a lot of useless back-and-forth about
this and that when the bottom line is : you can find products with
more features at a cheaper price than most Apple products. You had a
good experience: great!

I highly recommend Deal News for any computer specials.

Thanks,
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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

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On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
> Though I don't see how a $300 laptop is going to be able to "grow" for a few 
> years. Nor how it will handle playing back good quality sounds (NOT the 
> Finale Software synth sounds, but more like the Garritan sounds)
>
> I'd still say some sort of Mac. iMac for desktop, or a laptop. Plus they can 
> drive additional monitors with the addition of a simple plug, and the high 
> end iMac can drive two additional monitors. Even my 2006 iMac can drive an 
> additional monitor. And you also don't have to worry about viruses, windows 
> registry problems, driver issues, or any of the other headaches you get with 
> a PC.
>
> Plus, you get Time Machine, which is absolutely amazingly easy to use. I've 
> saved my self several times by having it on. Like if I made a change to a 
> score or a file and then wanted to go back to the old version. Boom, it's 
> there.
>


My point wasn't that he should buy a 300 dollar laptop, it was instead
the nature of great deals on the website. They list many deals for a
variety of computer products and types, not just laptops.

But even so, for the price of a top end Apple iMac, you could have
purchased several laptops over the course of a few years.

Thanks,

Kim

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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> That's what I think too.  I have a 27" iMac, and it is satisfying and trouble 
> free.  A little extra RAM can help.  (Full disclosure - I've always used Macs 
> and have little experience with Windows.  Still, I am confident in giving 
> this recommendation.)
>
> Chuck
>


I have a HP Pavillion 19 inch laptop and it's fantastic. And a lot
cheaper than a Mac, and it has a Blu Ray DVD reader burner.

Fast as hell, with a huge hard drive tons of RAM. HP is great with
driver updates and diagnostics and their customer service support is
fantastic (I had an issue with a DVD that was quickly solved by remote
assistance from HP).

Thanks

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Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

> I need to purchase a new desktop computer.  I am running Finale 2010 Windows
> at the present and will likely upgrade to 2012 when it comes out.  I engrave
> full orchestrations and want to be able to play any and all of the sounds.
> I also want something that I will not outgrow in a few years.
>
> Any suggestions would greatly appreciated.


Deal News has wonderful daily listings for specials that they find via
the Internet. Some are amazing. I got a top notch laptop via their
website for 300.00.

I highly suggest you get a RSS feed / alerts to their desktop specials .


Good luck,

Kim

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[Finale] Windows 7 / RAM / Finale installation issues

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Hi everyone:

A friend wrote me about an issue, and hopefully the collective wisdom
of the list could offer a solution:


I have a new Win7 64bit laptop and I just tried to install Finale 2009
on it.  The installer barks back at me:

> MakeMusic requires that your system has 256MB of RAM in order to run Finale 
> 2009.  The installer will now close.

I have gigabytes of RAM on this machine; most likely this is an issue
reading available RAM in 64bit Windows.

Has anyone else encountered this installation problem?  What was the solution?


Thanks

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Re: [Finale] O.T. Delalande's "Symphonies pour la soupir du Roi"

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Thank you so much.

I am in the New York City area, do you have any leads for that? A
conductor here in NYC wants the music for a concert in March (a rather
tight deadline). But I could enter the music rather quickly and
generate parts) IF I have a score.

Thanks again for all your hard work!
Kim

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Wade KOTTER  wrote:
> Kim:
>
> I've sent you the result of a WorldCat search for Delaland symphonies. 
> Doesn't seem to be a complete edition, but selections are available. If you 
> want more detail of individual library holdings, please contact me. In most 
> cases the number of holdings is small, but there is information on the 
> publisher, date, etc.
>
> Wade Kotter
>
> --
> Dr. Wade Kotter
> Social Sciences & Music Librarian
> Professor of Library Science
> Adjunct Faculty, Anthropology
> Stewart Library
> Weber State University
> 2901 University Circle
> Ogden, UT 84408-2901
>
> Voice: 801-626-7458
> Fax: 801-626-7045
>
> wkot...@weber.edu
> http://library.weber.edu/cm/wkotter
>
>
>>>> On 2/8/2011 at 12:02 PM, in message
> , Kim Patrick
> Clow  wrote:
>> Good day:
>>
>> Someone here in New York has asked me about an edition of Delalande's
>> "Symphonies pour la soupir du Roi," and have said they can't locate a
>> modern edition.
>>
>> Could anyone help with some leads, or even where the original source(s) are?
>>
>> Thank you kindly,
>>
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[Finale] O.T. Delalande's "Symphonies pour la soupir du Roi"

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Good day:

Someone here in New York has asked me about an edition of Delalande's
"Symphonies pour la soupir du Roi," and have said they can't locate a
modern edition.

Could anyone help with some leads, or even where the original source(s) are?

Thank you kindly,

Kim
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Re: [Finale] fort. markings

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Because of the confusion in the forewords where I state I use italics
for editorial addtions.

You know Brian's house style, is it ok in your opinion for me to
change these dynamics back to italics?

Thanks Dennis! I hope you are doing well!

Kim

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:37 AM, dc  wrote:
> Kim Patrick Clow écrit:
>>
>> I removed the italics, because after your comment, I realize that
>> typically in my own editions, I use italics for editorial additions.
>>
>> I initially use them because in the sources, dynamics are written in
>> an italic script. I guess that's bad on my part.
>>
>> Here's a screen shot of what I have now:
>>
>> http://oi55.tinypic.com/2ng6ftl.jpg
>
> But here you obviously use brackets and not italics for editorial additions.
> So what prevents you from using italics for all the dynamics?
>
> Dennis
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Re: [Finale] fort. markings

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Because it's within a sub-section of a multi-section movement, that's
not the start of a new movement, even though it looks like one.

Tempo di Minuetto - Allegro with a Da capo marking at the end to
repeat the first section up to the fermata.



On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Ryan Beard  wrote:
> Curious, why do you have the repeat sign on the other side of the time 
> signature?
>
> On Jan 9, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Kim Patrick Clow  wrote:
>
>> I removed the italics, because after your comment, I realize that
>> typically in my own editions, I use italics for editorial additions.
>>
>> I initially use them because in the sources, dynamics are written in
>> an italic script. I guess that's bad on my part.
>>
>> Here's a screen shot of what I have now:
>>
>> http://oi55.tinypic.com/2ng6ftl.jpg
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Re: [Finale] fort. markings

[Kim Patrick Clow]

I removed the italics, because after your comment, I realize that
typically in my own editions, I use italics for editorial additions.

I initially use them because in the sources, dynamics are written in
an italic script. I guess that's bad on my part.

Here's a screen shot of what I have now:

http://oi55.tinypic.com/2ng6ftl.jpg


Thanks,

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[Finale] fort. markings

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Good day:

In several sources I am working on, instead of the usual 'f" I have 'fort'

Is it considered legitimate to use italic bold if I am trying to duplicate
what the source has or just use simple italics? It's definitely easier
bolded, and plus the standard dynamic fonts are bold.

Thanks
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Re: {Spam} Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] {Spam} OT: Historical Horn Notation Question

[Kim Patrick Clow]

I know you were asking about horns, but a flute/recorder friend of
mine mentioned in passing that the Barenreiter edition of Handel's
Water Music has the flute part( (in the G major suite)  in the
original French violin clef and it was for a flute tuned to G. She
hated the fact she was having to do three types of transposing on the
fly: the clef, the key, and then the octave required.


Thanks
Kim

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Robert Patterson
 wrote:
> I agree, nobody said it. It was surprising to think about the possibility
> considering who I would have thought the target market for a critical
> edition might be. I can state that many performance materials based on
> critical editions do not include F-transposed horn parts. (My knowledge is
> mainly limited to chamber music by Mozart, Schubert, Beethoven, etc.)
> However, based on another comment in this thread it appears that some pieces
> do come with F-transposed parts.
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[Finale] O.T. Baroque music / Trumpets in F major

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Hi everyone:

I am editing a Johann Samuel Endler symphony for Trumpet in F (the
orchestral part in Endler's hand is in C major, but a large "F"
written by Clarino.

There are two horns, timpani, oboe solo concertante, violin solo
concertante, 1/2 violins, and basso continuo (no violas).

The trumpet part is extremely high. The music is more rococo than say
the 3rd Brandenburg concerto, but at some parts, just as difficult.

How common are such pieces for F major trumpets? Is it pretty rare?

Thanks much

Kim
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[Finale] Way Off topic - Percy Faith's arrangements

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Good day:


Does anyone know where Percy Faith's arrangements are archived? I was
curious in particular about one song "Delicado" which apparently he
arranged and recorded twice.


Thanks much

Kim
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Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6 to 5

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Send it to me Dennis.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:48 PM, dc  wrote:
> Could anyone convert one Sibelius 6 file to 5 (or to xml)?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Dennis
>
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Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Johannes Gebauer
 wrote:

> A few years ago I managed to find a proper distributor. Since then our sales
> have multiplied. We first sold only those two CDs while working on a third
> (which was only a second volume, so no more popular than the other two). We
> made more money in a few months than in the years with CDBaby, although we
> get quite a bit less from each CD. We sold enough on those three to make the
> fourth CD possible, within a year or so. And in the last 18 months, with our
> fourth CD out (which admittedly hit a small nail, it was the Dussek String
> Quartets, never previously recorded) we are actually making money. Not much,
> but enough to keep going. The Dussek CD will need a second pressing probably
> early next year, that means we have probably sold around 800 through
> distribution (the rest is for after concert sales etc), of the 1000 we had
> made.

How did you find a proper distributor? Could you go into what the
requirements are for a distributor?
How to they handle royalties? It sounds like going to that system
really worked for you.
>
> Incidentally this is not only because of the added European market, we sell
> most of our CDs in the US.
>
> We are also in iTunes, but sell very few that way. My distributor told me
> there are a few Euros to be made, but nothing compared to the "hardware".
>
The odd thing is that classical music sells so well on iTunes!  I
heard a significant portion of iTunes sales is classical.
Something like 15 percent (I may have that wrong though).

Congrats too on the success of your CD sales!

Thanks
Kim
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Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:32 PM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:

> Then do you have some explanation of why musical organizations think
> it's worth their while to invest all that money in paying the
> commercial labels to produce/distribute their recordings?

My guess is maybe because they're doing so much already, trying to
juggle another set of balls would just overtax their time and
resources. For example, I really wanted to put my editions into hard
bound versions and I've looked into book binding and everything
related to that. And doing all of that myself if I just had the proper
tools. Then I looked into Lulu.com as well, but Johannes mentioned he
didn't have much luck with them. I gave up after a while. My main
thing is to edit the music and get it out there for the performers.  I
suppose it's the same deal for ensembles producing their own CDs. The
large orchestras can do this maybe ecause they have the money and the
staff to do it. But again, that's just a guess on my part.

But I still wished I could do recordings of my editions and get them
heard, because music that's just sitting on a page really isn't
"alive."


Thanks

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Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:22 PM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:

>
> I haven't bought a physical CD in a "record store" for 5 years or
> more.


I always enjoyed browsing in a store. And sadly, J and R's in New York
is the last place for doing that in terms of classical music CDs.


But I completely agree with all your points David.

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Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Johannes Gebauer
 wrote:
>
> Am 23.06.2010 um 21:56 schrieb Kim Patrick Clow :
>
>> I think CPO and the German ensembles get a lot
>> more state support  in terms of grants and funding versus their
>> counterparts in the  U.K. or the United States.
>
> Really? Early Music Ensembles in Germany get no state support at all as far 
> as I know. We certainly get none for  Cappella.
> Johannes


La Stagione Frankfurt ist generously supported by the Ministry for
Culture and Science of Hessen.

I have heard of some others, but can't recall them immediately.


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Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:06 PM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:

>
>> I know an early
>> music orchestra that apparently had to help cover the recording costs
>> for a CD they did with Chandos too. I wondered why didn't the ensemble
>> just do their own recording and save all that expense themselves? I
>> guess the answer is-- the labels have the distribution outlets.
>
> What distribution channels would those be?


Well Naxos USA was the distributor for Chandos in the United States.
I'm not sure what the decision process is for a distributor to pick up
a label. When I worked as an editor for new classical music cd
releases at a data mining company, I was honestly shocked at the sheer
number of small labels and how prolific their releases were! My dept
input at least 300 CDs a month!

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Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
 wrote:

>
> Maybe, like Albany, the composers pay? Most of the small labels are vanity
> operations -- or "artist funded", where the composer or performers have to
> apply for grants or raise money from family.
>


I understand that's how Naxos works pretty much-- the ensembles and or
conductors pay the label to release the recordings. I think it's about
10,000 USD per title. Very few of the artists on Naxos are paid
anything (I know Kevin Mallon and his ensembles are one of them
because he mentioned it specifically to me-- although an oboe player
from the New York Philharmonic paid Naxos and Mallon to do his vanity
recording of oboe concertos that was released about a year and half
ago) I know an early music orchestra that apparently had to help cover
the recording costs for a CD they did with Chandos too. I wondered why
didn't the ensemble just do their own recording and save all that
expense themselves? I guess the answer is-- the labels have the
distribution outlets. I think CPO and the German ensembles get a lot
more state support  in terms of grants and funding versus their
counterparts in the  U.K. or the United States.


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Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
 wrote:

> It took me several years to recoup the costs (as I say, it's an
> electroacoustic CD with a small audience). I gave away half of them to radio
> stations, etc., in hopes of scoring royalties. Never happened even though it
> got a lot of plays.

I have a friend who has a modern composer that did that too, and the
results were just as heart breaking for him.

I don't know how classical record labels (e.g. CPO in Germany or
Hyperion in U.K) make any money.

I entertained the idea of getting a small string ensemble together to
attempt a complete recording of the Graupner
string ouvertures, but I quickly dropped the idea when I started
seeing what the costs were. And the odd thing is that
right now, technology has made it *SO* easy to do your own recordings
and editing. And while the Internet has made
things more democratic, it's still a nightmare if you don't have any
real distribution.

Thanks for an interesting thread.

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Re: [Finale] OT: Creating a Ringtone

[Kim Patrick Clow]

I had some friends that were even offering their own music as ring
tones, but they didn't make much at all.

Merv Griffin made unbelievable amounts in royalties from the ringtone
theme to "Jeopardy!".

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Re: [Finale] OT-Kuhnau

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Sure thing ;)

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:14 PM, George Brooke  wrote:
> Thank you for your help. That's what I'm looking for!
>
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
> Kim Patrick Clow
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 10:37 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] OT-Kuhnau
>
> Evangeline Rimbach edited this for A-R Editions.
>
> Easily ordered online.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Kim
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, George Brooke  wrote:
>> Not exactly a Finale topic, but once again I turn to the knowledgeable
> (and
>> generous) people of the list for assistance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can anyone guide me to where I might find the music for Johann Kuhnau's
>> Magnificat in C. Ton Koopman recorded this as recently as 2004 but I'm not
>> able to find any listing for the music in my usual sources (or a few not
> so
>> usual).
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>> George F. Brooke
>>
>> Director of Music
>>
>> House of Hope Lutheran Church
>>
>> 4800 Boone Ave N
>>
>> New Hope, MN  55428
>>
>> 763-533-3341 - phone
>>
>> 763-531-9006 - fax
>>
>> gbro...@hohlc.org
>>
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Re: [Finale] OT-Kuhnau

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Evangeline Rimbach edited this for A-R Editions.

Easily ordered online.

Hope this helps.

Kim

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, George Brooke  wrote:
> Not exactly a Finale topic, but once again I turn to the knowledgeable (and
> generous) people of the list for assistance.
>
>
>
> Can anyone guide me to where I might find the music for Johann Kuhnau's
> Magnificat in C. Ton Koopman recorded this as recently as 2004 but I'm not
> able to find any listing for the music in my usual sources (or a few not so
> usual).
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> George
>
>
>
> George F. Brooke
>
> Director of Music
>
> House of Hope Lutheran Church
>
> 4800 Boone Ave N
>
> New Hope, MN  55428
>
> 763-533-3341 - phone
>
> 763-531-9006 - fax
>
> gbro...@hohlc.org
>
>
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 now available for pre-order

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
> I really think they ought to lower it to like $49.95 for the "upgrade". I 
> mean, seriously, if you have 2010, you really aren't getting anything 
> new.well, unless you believe the marketing of a bug fix as a new feature.
>

Sibelius does bug fixes and doesn't charge you for them at all.


Copyright symbol included. :-)

Thanks

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[Finale] O.T. Secco recitatives

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Good day:

Some friends were asking me when did keyboard recitative stop in
opera? Although I'm not all that familiar with the romantic period, I
offered as a suggestion that they ended with Rossini? I've seen Norma
in a live performance, and the recitatives seemed to be completely
orchestrated. I suggested to my friends, that  the demise of keyboard
recitative was due to several factors, including the larger opera
houses, and louder instruments that were used in romantic period
orchestras (plus the larger orchestras too). Could anyone else throw
some light on this?

Thanks,

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[Finale] O.T. Explanation of a manuscript

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Hi all:

I have a question about a manuscript source:

http://i39.tinypic.com/2rcn2ip.jpg

This is from a sinfonia by Christoph Graupner and you see

staves are Trumpet 1, 2, Timpani, Violin 1, Violin 2, Viola, Continuo

I'm not exactly sure what the expression under the first violin means
"ottava bassa" or ottava basso." Or how this would impact performance.

This is the first time I've encountered this phrase in Graupner's music.

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[Finale] O.T. Bar numbers

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Hi all:

I have a 1st / 2nd ending at the end of a movement. I know typically
those bars have the same number. (bar 8 in my case)

But the next section starts off with a pick-up beat. Would that be Bar
no 8 too? Next full bar then 9?

Or would the pick-up bar start at 9 with next full measure as bar 10?

Thanks!
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Re: [Finale] Of Rondeaus

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:31 PM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:
> Really? I think it's a perfectly readable MS -- surely one could
> conduct from it! Sure, it needs modernization of certain notational
> conventions (like the repeats, but also the # where we'd use
> naturals), but I could play that at the keyboard from the score, I
> think.
>

Some of the Telemann Frankfurt cantatas are absolute nightmares (wind
instruments at different pitches, organ parts at two pitches), and
handwriting in the scores that is a bit messy to read at times.
Graupner is a piece of cake when you compare his music to other
sources. And Telemann's orchestral suite in G minor TWV g:9 (a rare
autograph score) is an absolute nightmare to read.

Two oboes, followed by staves for 1/2nd violins, viola and continuo:

http://i43.tinypic.com/29kt1dt.jpg"; border="2">

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[Finale] Of Rondeaus

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Hi everyone:

I have a question about a Rondeau that I'm currently editing.

Here is a screenshot of the movement: http://i42.tinypic.com/68xwz9.jpg

The first section makes sense, but Graupner starts the next section
with a repeat bar. But that section really doesn't get played again.
The da capo tells you to go back to play "A" and then you start at the
next section ("C"). Should I really include the repeat bar at the
beginning of the "B" section? My hunch is that's Graupner way of
notating a different section, although I don't know why he just didn't
use a double bar (and he uses them in his music).

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Re: [Finale] O.T. MS Word 2007 and text boxes/images moving on pages

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:56 PM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:
>
> One thing that could help is embeding your fonts. This makes the file
> uneditable, but also insures the same fonts are used on the target PC
> as on yours. It doesn't fix the graphics in place, but it will mean
> there's less chance for fonts to change the layout of the rest of the
> document in a way that would cause the graphics to shift about.
>


How do you embed a font into a Word document? I know you have that
option for a PDF.

A friend off list suggested "2007 uses a format called docx that
allows collaboration and markups. Try saving as an older style Word
document, rather than docx (which is the default)." I had never
thought of that!

Thanks David and Dennis!

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[Finale] O.T. MS Word 2007 and text boxes/images moving on pages

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Good day:

I recently "upgraded" from MS Office 2000 to 2007. I use Word to
create my edition's critical reports, which routinely include
screenshots of the manuscripts. I insert these as tiffs. with a
caption under the tiff that's generated within a text box, which I
manually tweek its position by clicking on the outline of the text box
until I'm happy. But my issue is that sometimes when I save the file,
or generate a PDF, the tiff gets moved on the page. But if I close the
file, and reopen it-- everything is ok. Very strange. Not an issue,
right?

Well, when I sent the Word doc to my editor via G mail, he said the
music manuscript tiff and the text box were obviously in the wrong
place. I know G mail uses a zipping utility now, it seems everything
my editor sends me now I have to unzip.  So is there someway I can
lock the Word doc contents so the layout doesn't get changed? I'm
using a PC and not a Mac.

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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Re: [Finale] Blog Format

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:36 PM, John Howell  wrote:
>
> I certainly hope not!  This is a discussion list.  A blog is a monologue.
>
> John
>


Livejournal is a blogging website, that allows for individual blogs,
and communities as well, some of which are EXTREMELY active on a wide
variety of subjects. But I don't think there is one as specific for
Finale though.

Thanks,

Kim

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Re: [Finale] repeats again ("rondeau")

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Hi alI:

About a year ago, I  showed a copy of one of my Graupner editions to
my former supervisior (Ph.D. in musicology from Columbia)-- where I
duplicated the autograph score (i.e. no written out repeats of the "A"
section, and Da Capos under each section). He has no idea how to read
the movement, and asked me how it would be performed. He is very
familiar with early music too (his dissertation was on Zerlino). After
this, when I suggested to my publisher that maybe we should write out
all the "A" sections, he insisted early music performers would know
how to perform the music, and the instrumental parts could be modified
as ordered (i.e to write everything out) if requested.

Thanks,

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[Finale] Text expressions : 'poco' italic or not?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Good day:

Hi all:

I am working on some 18th century manuscripts, many times I will see
"poco F" or "poco piano" or "poco forte." The default text setting in
some music engraving applications is for italic (e.g. Sibelius); but
aren't italics traditionally seen as editorial additions, wouldn't
having "poco" in italics be wrong if the wording is actually present
in the manuscript source(s)?

Thank you kindly,

Kim
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[Finale] Off Topic: H.C. Robbins-Landon / Haydn biography and music engraving

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Good day:

I'm quite behind the times: I just discovered that H.C. Robbins-Landon
passed away last November. I was a big fan of his Haydn 5 vol
biography that was huge. I remember there were a lot of musical
examples provided in those books. My question is: back in the 1970s
when the Haydn biography was printed, were publishers using plates for
such music score examples? I remember my college weekly newspaper was
using a very clunky computer- it would churn out small ribbons of tape
with the graphics on it, which were in turn glued to a sticky piece of
paper. So I would imagine that a large book company during this period
was using much more sophisticated computers for text, but again-- what
were they doing for music; and how would they marry computer generated
mock-ups of text with plate engraving?

Thanks,

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Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
 wrote:
> Kim,
>
> Assume the best. There may be an issue with his email account, or other things
> may have come up (even anti-spam measures).

I always assume the best Dennis, trust me. But I really doubt there's
any issue with his E-mail client, he's on G-mail like me, and has been
posting routinely on Facebook. I didn't mention this in my original
post here, but when Herr Conductor immediately wrote to me after I had
told him I had the score he needed-- I mentioned that I wasn't sure
why he had ignored my previous E-mails-- he acknowledged that he had
done that, and  offered to "let me make that right."

> If it's via Facebook, it has been having some issues lately.
>
> My route would be using postal mail to his professional address with a copy to
> the organization's own payment staff. I believe you can get acknowledgment of
> delivery and at least tracking from the US to Canada.

Sounds like a winner, and I will do that first thing tommorrow A.M.

Thanks (the other) Dennis ;)

Have a good one,
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Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:
> Look, he and you had an agreement. Written (email). Go and post on his
> facebook page, and if you don't hear anything, take him to small
> claims court.
>
> Just because he is a "conductor" doesn't mean he can screw you out of payment.
>

He's in Canada, I am in the United States.


Thanks

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[Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Hi everyone:

About two months ago, a conductor who I have as a friend on Facebook
said he needed a score to a concerto in a hurry ( I assume for a
concert project) and could anyone help him? I wrote to him that I had
the file, and if he was agreeable to the fee of 100.00 USD, I'd send
it to him. I had written to him previously about possible ideas for
recording some editions of my music, but typically most of my E-mails
went ignored-- I never heard back. Of course, when I initially wrote
to him that I had the file he needed, he wrote back within 30 minutes.
Well, it's been nearly a month and a half and I haven't been paid yet.
I've written two very polite E-mail reminders and they've gone
unanswered. This morning his Facebook page had a posting about a
conducting gig he was occupied for a week. My first E-mail reminder
pointed out that I was recently laid off from my full time job, and as
an independent researcher, any freelance money for projects I do now
is very important.

I have heard some horror stories through the grapevine about
cheap-skate conductors that don't live up to their word and will
generally not pay bills and of course they get a reputation for being
jerks. While I fault myself for not requiring a payment in advance
now, should I comment on this conductor's Facebook page and ask why
he's ignoring my Emails and requests for payment? I'd hate to put
anyone on a spot like that in such a public forum, but I want my
money.


Thanks

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Re: [Finale] OT Selling PDFs

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Who is the music by?

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Richard Huggins  wrote:

> I've engraved a collection of piano compositions for a lady and she's asked
> me about selling PDFs of them on the 'Net. I'm looking for suggested sites
> to do this. I'm aware of Kagi as a possibility; are there others?
>
> Richard
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Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

I wonder how do you get the music into a Kindle though? Is there
specific software other than say, PDF?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Lawrence Yates
 wrote:
> Did a gig last year and the soloist did just that.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lawrence
>
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[Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Hi everyone:

I'm curious, can music editions be ported to these new electronic book
formats? If so, what's involved?


Thank you kindly.

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Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, dhbailey
 wrote:
> And on the Sibelius list there is no discussion at all of "Finale can do
> xyz, why can't Sibelius do it?" and no discussion of "Finale did abc in its
> last upgrade, I wonder when Sibelius will do it?"  The discussions on the
> Sibelius list are as if Finale didn't exist except as a product many of the
> users had abandoned or at least are using in tandem with Sibelius depending
> on the demands of the project and clients of the day.
>

I participate on the Score users list, and there is never any mention
of Finale, Sibelius however is talked about quite a bit. Obviously
they consider Sibelius to be a 2nd tier engraving application, but
quite a few people DO use Sibelius for some sort of "raw work" that
they then port over to Score. That's very telling.

Thanks
Kim

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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Gerhard Torges  wrote:

> Unfortunately, the server's location are not of much importance.
> Any web site must comply to the law in every country it can be accessed.
>

Don't tell that to the Russian hackers that post movies, software,
games, music, and porn routinely :-)

Thanks
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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:35 PM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:



> These absolutely lovely editions [by Dennis Collins] are so inexpensive that 
> it seems
> criminal to me for anyone to not buy them if they want to use them.
>

The editions Dennis produces are works of art I think. They were, and
are constantly a standard I try to adhere to. Dennis spends hours
recreating those musical incipits and fonts that grace his work. And I
know Brian Clark well enough that I think he would even work out a
payment agreement with someone that COULDN'T afford to pay for a set
all at once.. He's just that nice.


Thanks,
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Re: [Finale] Re: O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Michael Good  wrote:


> information is just two clicks removed from their home page and is
> also available at the US Copyright Office site at
> http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/. Do none of these contact paths
> work for your editor?
>

Thanks for that Mr. Good. Well he wrote to one address on the website,
it was returned to him "could not connect" or somesuch. I don't know
which email contact he used, but I will pass this along to him. Thanks
again.

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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

[Kim Patrick Clow]

That's fine.

Thank you very much John

Kim

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM, John Howell  wrote:
> Kim:  With your permission, I will forward your message to the ChoralNet
> Website.  I'm pretty sure Rafael is active there, and would want to know if
> his website is being used illegally.  Please let me know if that's OK.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> At 5:34 PM -0400 10/25/09, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
>>
>> Good day:
>>
>> My editor Brian Clark recently discovered that one of his editions
>> just appeared on cpdl.org. He's having a hard time though getting any
>> action because the website seems to be running on automatic (meaning
>> people can upload files without any moderator approving them or
>> checking for copyright violation). Basically it appears that a person
>> lifted the first page sample on my editor's website, re-entered that
>> into a notation program, and then proceded to post it on cpdl.org.
>> THEN they ask for anyone for a complete copy of the sheet music!
>>
>>
>> Brian also blogged about this @ http://bc16661.wordpress.com/ and his
>> email contact is bc16661 @ gmail. com
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Kim Patrick Clow
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Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Carl Dershem  wrote:
>
> Of course, they are now chasing the site's owners through multiple hosts,
> but if you make the site harder to find, it suts down on the pirate's
> business.
>

Well E-mails from the site are bouncing now, and it looks like an
admin. has logged on since the earlier part of this year, but users
can upload to their hearts' content.

Thanks,
Kim
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[Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Good day:

My editor Brian Clark recently discovered that one of his editions
just appeared on cpdl.org. He's having a hard time though getting any
action because the website seems to be running on automatic (meaning
people can upload files without any moderator approving them or
checking for copyright violation). Basically it appears that a person
lifted the first page sample on my editor's website, re-entered that
into a notation program, and then proceded to post it on cpdl.org.
THEN they ask for anyone for a complete copy of the sheet music!


Brian also blogged about this @ http://bc16661.wordpress.com/ and his
email contact is bc16661 @ gmail. com

Thanks for any help.
Kim Patrick Clow
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[Finale] O.T. Telemann's Heroic Marches / Heldenmusic

[Kim Patrick Clow]

Good Day:

The 12 Heroic Marches by Telemann are a staple for trumpet players and
weddings; and the music is recorded a lot on organ/trumpet CDs.
Telemann published these 12 (or it could have been 24) marches and
offered them for sale in a 1728 flyer. Telemann's ad specifically
mentioned that while all of the marches could be played on solo
keyboard, there were two treble instruments and in some marches a
trumpet and horn part was provided.

The only copy of Telemann's print that survived was located in
Konigsburg, Germany at the University library. That sizable music
collection went up in smoke, but Ernst Paetzold apparently made an
arrangement for solo instrument and piano (NOT organ) prior to World
War 2 (that is my assumption -  I don't know this for a fact), and it
was published in Berlin in 1949. While I was looking for around online
for editions of this piece, I've noticed there are a lot of
"arrangements" for sale (usually by trumpet or organ players). Since
the original Telemann source(s) vanished, I would assume these new
arrangements based on Paetzold's edition. Would these be in copyright
violation, especially in Europe where they seem to have much tighter
restrictions on "public domain" than here in the United States?

I'm curious because I'd like to do an edition myself and base it on
the Paetzold, since it's the closest thing we have to the original
unfortunately. But would that be "legal?"

Thanks,
Kim

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Re: [Finale] Re: OT: Vivaldi Concerto

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM, David W. Fenton
 wrote:
>
> But it *has* been done -- some of the Editions Fuzeau facsimiles are
> of early printed editions, and the facsimile text is lightly edited
> (with suitable notes in the extensive commmentaries).

My guess is that out of tens of thousands of notes in Telemann's
printing of the Table Music,
(he engraved it himself), there were a few mistakes that will be
annotated in a critical report. I'm guessing
those mistakes were discovered when DG Archiv recorded these in the late 1980s.

For what its worth: Telemann's 1736 publication of six suites which
was long believed to have been lost,
has been recovered from a single print in Moscow. A new edition has
been published and Pavel Serbin
and his ensemble "Pratum Integrum" has recorded all of the suites on
SACDs with the Caro Mitus label.
I have no idea when they will be available here in the United States.
The works are scored for string orchestra
with 2 horns.

I'm just hoping a single copy of Telemann's Heroic Marches will show
up in Russian archives. All the performances
you hear at concerts, weddings, and on CDs, is based on an arrangment
of 12 of the marches (apparently there
were 24) and other instruments were included. This arrangement was
done prior to WW2. A single surviving original print was destroyed at
the University of Konigsburg, Germany in 1945. But there are "rumors"
the library contents were removed to Russia
for safekeeping.

Thanks
Kim
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