Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
It looks pretty good, but I think you should find a way of either moving some chord symbols closer to the system to which the belong, or putting more space between the staves. Particularly the chords on system 4 are uncomfortably close to the triplet indications on the system above. You could try Christopher’s suggestion of making four lines of three bars each, or maybe shorten the stems of the eighth note kicks. On 21 Apr 2014, at 14:53, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Are you sure about the title in French? Femmes de Disparaissent is not correct French, but it may have been Golson's error and been documented like that (like Parker's Au Privave) in which case of course it must stay like that. The correct French title is “Des femmes disparaissent” All the best, Michael ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
In addition to co-signing everything Chris said: The pickup measure is much too wide. 2 mm./system on systems 1, 2, and 4 is much too loose. 3 mm/system throughout prior to solos would be better. You need stems down on the B and D in the main staff in mm.7-8 and m.12. You need to configure your file so that the rhythm section hits do not affect stem or tie direction in the main staff. Also, any ties on the rhythm section hits should go above, not below. The sixteenth tuplet in m.10 needs a bracket and the number needs adjustment. The Emi7(b5) symbol in m.12 should move to the right, and the F13 symbol should move left and up to avoid collision. You need to make it clear that there is a chord on each eighth note hit — right now it looks like both hits are on Emi7(b5). Also, the internal spacing of the Emi7(b5) symbol could be much improved so that it doesn't take up so much space. Stems could be a bit thicker and barlines thicker still. Staff lines, stem lines, and barlines should be set to a different thickness. The diminished circle symbol does not have the handwritten look — it appears to come from a different font than the other chord suffixes. Finally, I'd use slash and diamond noteheads for the hits, not X's. You also have a regular (non-diamond) notehead above the staff in m.7 Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 21, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote: I used Darcy's Steve's suggestions for the Blues on My Mind leadsheet, and here is the result: http://freejazzinstitute.com/showposts.php?dept=transcriptions Thanks again - I'm open to comments regarding the look - would you have laid it out this way? Giz Richmond VA |-Original Message- |From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of |Darcy James Argue |Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 1:40 AM |To: finale@shsu.edu |Subject: Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think | |Don't use the Ossia Tool. Put the kicks in a separate layer above staff, reduce size, |and use the Hide Ledger Lines plugin. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
PS The title/composer/copyright font looks an awful lot like Comic Sans. There are much better options available. Titles in this style are traditionally in ALL CAPS. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 22, 2014, at 3:57 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote: In addition to co-signing everything Chris said: The pickup measure is much too wide. 2 mm./system on systems 1, 2, and 4 is much too loose. 3 mm/system throughout prior to solos would be better. You need stems down on the B and D in the main staff in mm.7-8 and m.12. You need to configure your file so that the rhythm section hits do not affect stem or tie direction in the main staff. Also, any ties on the rhythm section hits should go above, not below. The sixteenth tuplet in m.10 needs a bracket and the number needs adjustment. The Emi7(b5) symbol in m.12 should move to the right, and the F13 symbol should move left and up to avoid collision. You need to make it clear that there is a chord on each eighth note hit — right now it looks like both hits are on Emi7(b5). Also, the internal spacing of the Emi7(b5) symbol could be much improved so that it doesn't take up so much space. Stems could be a bit thicker and barlines thicker still. Staff lines, stem lines, and barlines should be set to a different thickness. The diminished circle symbol does not have the handwritten look — it appears to come from a different font than the other chord suffixes. Finally, I'd use slash and diamond noteheads for the hits, not X's. You also have a regular (non-diamond) notehead above the staff in m.7 Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 21, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote: I used Darcy's Steve's suggestions for the Blues on My Mind leadsheet, and here is the result: http://freejazzinstitute.com/showposts.php?dept=transcriptions Thanks again - I'm open to comments regarding the look - would you have laid it out this way? Giz Richmond VA |-Original Message- |From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of |Darcy James Argue |Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 1:40 AM |To: finale@shsu.edu |Subject: Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think | |Don't use the Ossia Tool. Put the kicks in a separate layer above staff, reduce size, |and use the Hide Ledger Lines plugin. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
I thank all who took the time to look at my leadsheet and make suggestions - this is the type of feedback I was hoping for! I've printed them all, and will be revising my leadsheet accordingly. For Darcy, regarding the font - I'm using Dom Casual. I was tired of some of the cartoonish Jazz text characters, but if Dom Cas looks like Comic Sans to you, my choice wasn't much better! I'm open for suggestions for a text font which will work with the Jazz music font. For Christopher - yes, I got the French title wrong. It should be Des Femmes Disparaissent. Thanks again! Giz Richmond VA ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
Hi Giz, I like Digital Strip, although it's uppercase-only: http://www.dafont.com/digital-strip.font You ideally want something that looks something like Clinton Roemer's lettering, though I've not been able to find a close match. (You do have the Clinton Roemer book, yes? If not, you absolutely must get yourself a copy!) Also in mind that if you're going for the hand-copied look, titles and instrument names were often stamped or stenciled. You don't necessarily need to use a handwritten-looking font for these items. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 22, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote: I thank all who took the time to look at my leadsheet and make suggestions - this is the type of feedback I was hoping for! I've printed them all, and will be revising my leadsheet accordingly. For Darcy, regarding the font - I'm using Dom Casual. I was tired of some of the cartoonish Jazz text characters, but if Dom Cas looks like Comic Sans to you, my choice wasn't much better! I'm open for suggestions for a text font which will work with the Jazz music font. For Christopher - yes, I got the French title wrong. It should be Des Femmes Disparaissent. Thanks again! Giz Richmond VA ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
Darcy, For the stamped look, what's your opinion of the Sibelius reprise font? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Apr 22, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote: Hi Giz, I like Digital Strip, although it's uppercase-only: http://www.dafont.com/digital-strip.font You ideally want something that looks something like Clinton Roemer's lettering, though I've not been able to find a close match. (You do have the Clinton Roemer book, yes? If not, you absolutely must get yourself a copy!) Also in mind that if you're going for the hand-copied look, titles and instrument names were often stamped or stenciled. You don't necessarily need to use a handwritten-looking font for these items. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 22, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote: I thank all who took the time to look at my leadsheet and make suggestions - this is the type of feedback I was hoping for! I've printed them all, and will be revising my leadsheet accordingly. For Darcy, regarding the font - I'm using Dom Casual. I was tired of some of the cartoonish Jazz text characters, but if Dom Cas looks like Comic Sans to you, my choice wasn't much better! I'm open for suggestions for a text font which will work with the Jazz music font. For Christopher - yes, I got the French title wrong. It should be Des Femmes Disparaissent. Thanks again! Giz Richmond VA ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
Really not a fan. Doesn't look much like the actual stamps copyists would use, nor do I think it's necessary or desirable to replicate a stamped look in the first place. I don't use manuscript-type music fonts anymore, but when I did I just used Palatino for titles etc. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 22, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Williams, Jim jwilli...@franklincollege.edu wrote: Darcy, For the stamped look, what's your opinion of the Sibelius reprise font? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Apr 22, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com wrote: Hi Giz, I like Digital Strip, although it's uppercase-only: http://www.dafont.com/digital-strip.font You ideally want something that looks something like Clinton Roemer's lettering, though I've not been able to find a close match. (You do have the Clinton Roemer book, yes? If not, you absolutely must get yourself a copy!) Also in mind that if you're going for the hand-copied look, titles and instrument names were often stamped or stenciled. You don't necessarily need to use a handwritten-looking font for these items. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 22, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote: I thank all who took the time to look at my leadsheet and make suggestions - this is the type of feedback I was hoping for! I've printed them all, and will be revising my leadsheet accordingly. For Darcy, regarding the font - I'm using Dom Casual. I was tired of some of the cartoonish Jazz text characters, but if Dom Cas looks like Comic Sans to you, my choice wasn't much better! I'm open for suggestions for a text font which will work with the Jazz music font. For Christopher - yes, I got the French title wrong. It should be Des Femmes Disparaissent. Thanks again! Giz Richmond VA ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
I used Darcy's Steve's suggestions for the Blues on My Mind leadsheet, and here is the result: http://freejazzinstitute.com/showposts.php?dept=transcriptions Thanks again - I'm open to comments regarding the look - would you have laid it out this way? Giz Richmond VA |-Original Message- |From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of |Darcy James Argue |Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 1:40 AM |To: finale@shsu.edu |Subject: Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think | |Don't use the Ossia Tool. Put the kicks in a separate layer above staff, reduce size, |and use the Hide Ledger Lines plugin. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
That all looks fine to me. I can't second-guess the layout without trying it myself, but with that level of density I might have attempted 4 lines of 3 bars each. It's very clear as it is, especially the rhythm hits. There are two little details I might have done differently. One is, Finale flips the ties and stems when there is another layer, but this is an exception to that rule. I would flip them all back again (the ties are only a minute with the Special Tool, or you can adjust the Layer Attributes in Doc Options.) If there are collisions with chord hits you can move the chord hits a bit higher. The other is I would rather not see the 3rd beat obscured with 8th-note subdivisions present, such as the double-dotted note in bar 7, which I would have written as dotted quarter tied to half. Are you sure about the title in French? Femmes de Disparaissent is not correct French, but it may have been Golson's error and been documented like that (like Parker's Au Privave) in which case of course it must stay like that. Christopher On 21-Apr-14, at 21-Apr-14 8:19 AM, Girard Bowe wrote: I used Darcy's Steve's suggestions for the Blues on My Mind leadsheet, and here is the result: http://freejazzinstitute.com/showposts.php?dept=transcriptions Thanks again - I'm open to comments regarding the look - would you have laid it out this way? Giz Richmond VA |-Original Message- |From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of |Darcy James Argue |Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 1:40 AM |To: finale@shsu.edu |Subject: Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think | |Don't use the Ossia Tool. Put the kicks in a separate layer above staff, reduce size, |and use the Hide Ledger Lines plugin. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
On 4/21/2014 8:19 AM, Girard Bowe wrote: I used Darcy's Steve's suggestions for the Blues on My Mind leadsheet, and here is the result: http://freejazzinstitute.com/showposts.php?dept=transcriptions Thanks again - I'm open to comments regarding the look - would you have laid it out this way? I think it looks good as it is -- I can't think of anything to add to what Christopher has suggested. The layout is clear. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
On 4/17/2014 8:44 PM, Girard Bowe wrote: Thanks to all for the suggestions, and thank goodness for Jari's plug-ins! I did experience a bug - when entering notes rests into layer 4, the rests moved down, and the rests in layer 1 moved up. At least I think it's a bug. Would anyone care to look at this and critique it? I'd be glad to pdf it to you. Thanks again! John Roberts is right in that the preferences for what happens in layers by default moves rests in a layer when other layers are present. This can be changed by the user. The setting is in Document / Document Options / Layers -- you can change the Adjust Floating Rests setting by changing the amount the rests move by -- change it to zero and they stay where they are, positive numbers make them move up while negative numbers make them move down. Or you can simply uncheck the Apply adjustments only if notes are in other layers and then every layer follows the usual protocol for rest placement, stem direction, etc. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
On 4/17/2014 12:40 AM, Girard Bowe wrote: I'm trying to create a leadsheet for Benny Golson's Blues on My Mind, and there are rhythm kicks integral to the song. I wanted to notate them above the melody line as an ossia, but it seems as if I have to create a separate ossia for each measure - very clunky. And when I tried to use the rhythm section staff as the source, the rhythm staff style did not carry over. Is there an easier way to do this, or am I going to have to create a 2-staff lead sheet? I know you've gotten advice on ways to accomplish this, but I think I would be tempted to add a single line percussion staff to the leadsheet and then hide all the empty staves for systems where they're truly empty and apply the Force Hide (Cutaway) to any empty measures which are on systems where the rhythm kicks appear. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
Thanks to all for the suggestions, and thank goodness for Jari's plug-ins! I did experience a bug - when entering notes rests into layer 4, the rests moved down, and the rests in layer 1 moved up. At least I think it's a bug. Would anyone care to look at this and critique it? I'd be glad to pdf it to you. Thanks again! Giz Richmond VA FinWin2014a ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
Layers preferences can position rests differently when there are other layers present. That would be my guess. JR On 4/17/14, 8:44 PM, Girard Bowe wrote: Thanks to all for the suggestions, and thank goodness for Jari's plug-ins! I did experience a bug - when entering notes rests into layer 4, the rests moved down, and the rests in layer 1 moved up. At least I think it's a bug. Would anyone care to look at this and critique it? I'd be glad to pdf it to you. Thanks again! Giz Richmond VA FinWin2014a ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Ossias, I think
I'm trying to create a leadsheet for Benny Golson's Blues on My Mind, and there are rhythm kicks integral to the song. I wanted to notate them above the melody line as an ossia, but it seems as if I have to create a separate ossia for each measure - very clunky. And when I tried to use the rhythm section staff as the source, the rhythm staff style did not carry over. Is there an easier way to do this, or am I going to have to create a 2-staff lead sheet? Thanks for any help on this! Giz Richmond VA ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
How about this? http://www.eisik.com/examples/Example_Lead.pdf Steve P. On 17 Apr 2014, at 05:40, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote: I'm trying to create a leadsheet for Benny Golson's Blues on My Mind, and there are rhythm kicks integral to the song. I wanted to notate them above the melody line as an ossia, but it seems as if I have to create a separate ossia for each measure - very clunky. And when I tried to use the rhythm section staff as the source, the rhythm staff style did not carry over. Is there an easier way to do this, or am I going to have to create a 2-staff lead sheet? Thanks for any help on this! Giz Richmond VA ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
If you need to notate pitch you can possibly use layers and reduce notehead size. Steve P. On 17 Apr 2014, at 05:47, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: How about this? http://www.eisik.com/examples/Example_Lead.pdf Steve P. On 17 Apr 2014, at 05:40, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote: I'm trying to create a leadsheet for Benny Golson's Blues on My Mind, and there are rhythm kicks integral to the song. I wanted to notate them above the melody line as an ossia, but it seems as if I have to create a separate ossia for each measure - very clunky. And when I tried to use the rhythm section staff as the source, the rhythm staff style did not carry over. Is there an easier way to do this, or am I going to have to create a 2-staff lead sheet? Thanks for any help on this! Giz Richmond VA ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossias, I think
Don't use the Ossia Tool. Put the kicks in a separate layer above staff, reduce size, and use the Hide Ledger Lines plugin. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Girard Bowe girard.b...@verizon.net wrote: I'm trying to create a leadsheet for Benny Golson's Blues on My Mind, and there are rhythm kicks integral to the song. I wanted to notate them above the melody line as an ossia, but it seems as if I have to create a separate ossia for each measure - very clunky. And when I tried to use the rhythm section staff as the source, the rhythm staff style did not carry over. Is there an easier way to do this, or am I going to have to create a 2-staff lead sheet? Thanks for any help on this! Giz Richmond VA ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
