Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-23 Thread Gerhard Torges
Am 23.10.2009 um 01:37 schrieb David W. Fenton: Do you really have any conception at all of what's involved in managing the documentation for an application as complex as Finale? To keep it short: Yes, I have. It's not a triviality. I have been co-authoring and translating software and

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

2009-10-23 Thread Gerhard Torges
Hi Allen, Am 23.10.2009 um 02:26 schrieb Allen Fisher: On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Gerhard Torges wrote: Am 22.10.2009 um 01:29 schrieb Christopher Smith: It downloaded about a hundred times faster for me next day, probably because I had about a hundredth of the peers downloading it at

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-23 Thread dhbailey
I'm back sitting in my corner again. :-( David la-la-la I can't hear you Bailey Allen Fisher wrote: Boys! What did Chris tell you!? :-D On Oct 22, 2009, at 7:12 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 19:56, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 6:35, dhbailey

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

2009-10-23 Thread A-NO-NE Music
On 2009/10/22, at 20:26, Allen Fisher wrote: I suggested this when I worked at MM, but P2P has such a bad rap...despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, the perception of P2P in the world is that it's only good for violating copyright. And attacking the far-end. I used to work for

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread dhbailey
Allen Fisher wrote: This is a bad example. Apple controls all the pieces here, MM cannot force Tobias to spend time updating the full version of TGTools. On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Again, this points to MakeMusic. One of their most important plugin developers (or the

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread Torges Gerhard
Am 21.10.2009 um 19:38 schrieb David W. Fenton: So somehow the figured it out -- something which Mac users have been able to do for a long time, so it remains a murky question as to why Windows users had to wait so long. David, it's not murky at all. It's very, very likely a reliance on

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread David Torges
Am 21.10.2009 um 21:40 schrieb David Smith: Why did we name them ALL David!? I can't remember, Dave! David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread Gerhard Torges
Am 21.10.2009 um 22:01 schrieb dhbailey: Now I just hope my mother doesn't find out who wrote all over her wall! Blame David. ;-) Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread dhbailey
Carl Dershem wrote: Allen Fisher wrote: This is a bad example. Apple controls all the pieces here, MM cannot force Tobias to spend time updating the full version of TGTools. Force? No. Entice? Probably. cd On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Again, this points to

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

2009-10-22 Thread Gerhard Torges
Am 22.10.2009 um 01:29 schrieb Christopher Smith: It downloaded about a hundred times faster for me next day, probably because I had about a hundredth of the peers downloading it at the same time as I had the previous day. Seems like a good candidaten for peer-to-peer distribution. ;-)

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

2009-10-22 Thread Gerhard Torges
Am 22.10.2009 um 01:29 schrieb Christopher Smith: It downloaded about a hundred times faster for me next day, probably because I had about a hundredth of the peers downloading it at the same time as I had the previous day. Seems like a good candidate for peer-to-peer distribution. ;-)

Re(2): [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread Leigh Daniels
I told him I would pay full price again just for TransferLayout! **Leigh On Thu, Oct 22, 2009, dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: How much did Tobias charge for the last update to the tools, the one to work with Fin2009? Perhaps we all need to let Tobias know that we will be

Re: Re(2): [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread Chuck Israels
On Oct 22, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Leigh Daniels wrote: I told him I would pay full price again just for TransferLayout! Doesn't surprise me. Me too. Chuck **Leigh On Thu, Oct 22, 2009, dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: How much did Tobias charge for the last update

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Oct 2009 at 6:35, dhbailey wrote: There's no way to know Why don't you meditate on that one -- treat it as your koan for the day. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Oct 2009 at 0:22, Torges Gerhard wrote: Am 21.10.2009 um 19:38 schrieb David W. Fenton: So somehow the figured it out -- something which Mac users have been able to do for a long time, so it remains a murky question as to why Windows users had to wait so long. David, it's not

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 6:35, dhbailey wrote: There's no way to know Why don't you meditate on that one -- treat it as your koan for the day. Because I've got better things to do, such as figure out how to piss you off in these messages. :-) -- David H. Bailey

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Oct 2009 at 19:56, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 6:35, dhbailey wrote: There's no way to know Why don't you meditate on that one -- treat it as your koan for the day. Because I've got better things to do, such as figure out how to piss you

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread Allen Fisher
Boys! What did Chris tell you!? :-D On Oct 22, 2009, at 7:12 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 19:56, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 6:35, dhbailey wrote: There's no way to know Why don't you meditate on that one -- treat it as your koan for the

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

2009-10-22 Thread Allen Fisher
I suggested this when I worked at MM, but P2P has such a bad rap...despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, the perception of P2P in the world is that it's only good for violating copyright. On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Gerhard Torges wrote: Am 22.10.2009 um 01:29 schrieb Christopher

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-22 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 19:56, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 6:35, dhbailey wrote: There's no way to know Why don't you meditate on that one -- treat it as your koan for the day. Because I've got better things to do, such as figure out how to

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread shirling neueweise
funny how that works. wait a day and it only takes 15min... 8-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 20 Oct 2009 at 19:39, dhbailey wrote: in the list of fixes, the claim is made that the User Manual now opens in the default browser. If that's true, it'll be a long-standing gripe resolved. And makes me wonder why it couldn't have been done a couple of versions

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Oct 2009 at 7:47, dhbailey wrote: So somehow the figured it out -- something which Mac users have been able to do for a long time, so it remains a murky question as to why Windows users had to wait so long. David, it's not murky at all. It's very, very likely a reliance on 3rd-party

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread Chuck Israels
On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:38 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: Sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming la-la-la is not a very adult way to respond to this kind of thing. I kinda thought he looked cute doing that! Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 21 Oct 2009 at 7:47, dhbailey wrote: So somehow the figured it out -- something which Mac users have been able to do for a long time, so it remains a murky question as to why Windows users had to wait so long. David, it's not murky at all. It's very, very likely a

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread Christopher Smith
Davids... Don't make me come back there! Are we going to have to separate you? Your father will hear about this if you don't stop and play nice. Why did we name them ALL David!? Sincerely, The lady from the Dr. Seuss book who had 23 sons and named them all Dave On Wed Oct 21, at

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread dhbailey
I'm sitting in my corner now and writing on the wall 100 times 'I will play nice with others.' Now I just hope my mother doesn't find out who wrote all over her wall! David la-la-la Bailey Christopher Smith wrote: Davids... Don't make me come back there! Are we going to have to

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Oct 2009 at 15:31, dhbailey wrote: I eagerly await your lambasting Henry Howey for his comment agreeing with my contention that we're all unpaid beta testers only he went one step further and said it was fundamentally dishonest. I am preparing a reply right now explaining why it's

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wed Oct 21, at WednesdayOct 21 4:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: In the real world, however, choices have to be made, and I'm certain nobody is happy about having to make these triage decisions. Hmm, more to the point, I think, is WHO is making these decisions? When the programmers make

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Speaking of TGTools, it is rather shocking that MakeMusic would not work with Tobias to ensure that his plugin works properly with Finale. It took months for an update to work with the new dynamics (as I recall) and people are still waiting for an update to get the Chords working properly

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wed Oct 21, at WednesdayOct 21 4:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: And questioning the integrity and honesty of the only people who can fix Finale seems to me to be quite counterproductive (you think they don't read the list? Maybe they have stopped after being constantly pilloried as liars by

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread Andrew Moschou
Since version 4, released in 2005, Sibelius has included a worksheet creator. Flash cards are included in this. 2009/10/22 Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com But then again, can Sibelius do flash cards? Didn't think so. ___ Finale mailing list

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Oct 2009 at 17:37, Christopher Smith wrote: On Wed Oct 21, at WednesdayOct 21 4:59 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: In the real world, however, choices have to be made, and I'm certain nobody is happy about having to make these triage decisions. Hmm, more to the point, I think, is WHO

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread David W. Fenton
I don't mean to be acting as an apologist for MakeMusic, but I just don't think that people are asking reasonable questions here. On 21 Oct 2009 at 14:44, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Speaking of TGTools, it is rather shocking that MakeMusic would not work with Tobias to ensure that his plugin

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Breaking News! I just downloaded the updater and completed the installation in about 6 min. Things are looking up .. Dean On Oct 21, 2009, at 3:12 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 21 Oct 2009 at 17:37, Christopher Smith wrote: On Wed Oct 21, at WednesdayOct 21 4:59 PM, David W. Fenton

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread Chuck Israels
Speaking of which, I have tried (gently) rattling Tobias' cage about updating the plugins that are broken in 2010. Can I get a few others to communicate with him? I am eagerly awaiting his update, so that 2010 can become fully functional for me. Thanks to anyone who can take the trouble

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

2009-10-21 Thread Ray Horton
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Breaking News! I just downloaded the updater and completed the installation in about 6 min. Things are looking up .. Dean O OK - here's a question for all of you folks that seem to know what goes on inside his magic metal box: I DL'd the update the first day -

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

2009-10-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Oct 2009 at 19:10, Ray Horton wrote: Should I run the huge Tuesday update or DL the new, lean, Thursday update and run it instead? Or are they the same file? I would say that it's 99.99% sure that it's the same file, and the only difference in the download time is either that fewer

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

2009-10-21 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wed Oct 21, at WednesdayOct 21 7:10 PM, Ray Horton wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Breaking News! I just downloaded the updater and completed the installation in about 6 min. Things are looking up .. Dean O OK - here's a question for all of you folks that seem to know what goes on

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread Eric Dannewitz
On Oct 21, 2009, at 3:20 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Speaking of TGTools, it is rather shocking that MakeMusic would not work with Tobias to ensure that his plugin works properly with Finale. And what makes you think they haven't? My guess is that Tobias is a beta tester so he knows what's

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading question

2009-10-21 Thread Ray Horton
David W. Fenton wrote: On 21 Oct 2009 at 19:10, Ray Horton wrote: Should I run the huge Tuesday update or DL the new, lean, Thursday update and run it instead? Or are they the same file? I would say that it's 99.99% sure that it's the same file, and the only difference in the

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread Allen Fisher
This is a bad example. Apple controls all the pieces here, MM cannot force Tobias to spend time updating the full version of TGTools. On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Again, this points to MakeMusic. One of their most important plugin developers (or the best one IMHO)

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-21 Thread Carl Dershem
Allen Fisher wrote: This is a bad example. Apple controls all the pieces here, MM cannot force Tobias to spend time updating the full version of TGTools. Force? No. Entice? Probably. cd On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Again, this points to MakeMusic. One of their most

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-20 Thread Christopher Smith
Crap, my download just aborted at 70% complete after a couple of slow hours. Maybe tonight when everyone else in my hemisphere is asleep... C On Tue Oct 20, at TuesdayOct 20 2:45 PM, Michael Greensill wrote: Mine is currently telling me it will take 6 1/2 hours. I too have given up. I'll

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-20 Thread dhbailey
Michael Greensill wrote: Mine is currently telling me it will take 6 1/2 hours. I too have given up. I'll miss those flash cards though. :) Mike G. www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Maintenance Update downloading

2009-10-20 Thread David W. Fenton
On 20 Oct 2009 at 19:39, dhbailey wrote: in the list of fixes, the claim is made that the User Manual now opens in the default browser. If that's true, it'll be a long-standing gripe resolved. And makes me wonder why it couldn't have been done a couple of versions ago, when they went