Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-22 Thread christopher.smith
passages...) Christopher - Original Message - From: Ryan Date: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:56 pm Subject: Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts To: finale@shsu.edu > What method do you use if the horn part doesn't have a key signature? > > On M

Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-22 Thread Ryan
tle experience with the other clefs that it would slow me down > immeasurably. I have nothing but respect for those among you who read them > easily! > > christopher > > - Original Message - > From: John Howell > Date: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:17 pm > Subject:

Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-22 Thread christopher.smith
easily! christopher - Original Message - From: John Howell Date: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:17 pm Subject: Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts To: "David H. Bailey" , finale@shsu.edu > At 6:46 AM -0500 11/22/10, David H. Bailey wrote: > > > &g

Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-22 Thread John Howell
At 6:46 AM -0500 11/22/10, David H. Bailey wrote: What I meant by "in reverse" is that if I'm looking at a written F in an F horn part, I can use the mezzo-soprano clef to get the concert pitch note (Bb). But what if I'm looking at a concert pitch score, how do I figure out what note the F h

{Spam} Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-22 Thread David H. Bailey
On 11/21/2010 1:43 PM, John Howell wrote: At 7:24 AM -0500 11/21/10, David H. Bailey wrote: I understand the use of clefs to transpose from concert pitch music to the differently keyed transposing instruments, but is there a chart somewhere which does things in reverse? So that looking at a par

Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-21 Thread John Howell
At 7:24 AM -0500 11/21/10, David H. Bailey wrote: I understand the use of clefs to transpose from concert pitch music to the differently keyed transposing instruments, but is there a chart somewhere which does things in reverse? So that looking at a part for F horn, for example, which is print

Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-21 Thread David H. Bailey
in tiefes H or something the like). Or it equals horn in Bb basso (ad 2 flats). Klaus, who will rather transpose than read C clefs --- On Sun, 11/21/10, David H. Bailey wrote: From: David H. Bailey Subject: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts To: finale@shsu.e

Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-21 Thread Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre
orical use of C clefs for voice parts > To: finale@shsu.edu > Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 1:24 PM > I understand the use of clefs to > transpose from concert pitch music to > the differently keyed transposing instruments, but is there > a chart > somewhere which does thin

{Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-21 Thread David H. Bailey
I understand the use of clefs to transpose from concert pitch music to the differently keyed transposing instruments, but is there a chart somewhere which does things in reverse? So that looking at a part for F horn, for example, which is printed in the treble clef, what clef would one use to

Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-20 Thread Allen Fisher
My trumpet teacher at Ohio State in the early 1990's insisted that all his students learn clefs in order to transpose on sight. Drives all my friends nuts... :) Allen On 6 Nov, 2010, at 1:22 PM, John Howell wrote: > As a bonus, once you have learned to use the entire system of movable clefs,

Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-08 Thread Raymond Horton
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 2:22 PM, John Howell wrote: > ... > > And of course the notation of vocal tenor parts has baffled more than one > publisher! The treble clef is incorrect because it shows the wrong octave. > The tenor C-clef had no such problem. At least one publisher--I think it > was

Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-06 Thread John Howell
At 10:06 PM +0100 11/6/10, Florence + Michael wrote: Of course Gounod isn't a recent composer, but that edition is recent and certainly not a reprint of an earlier edition. It was completely new in 1972, edited by Fritz Oeser who put back passages that Gounod had cut before the premiere. Ac

Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-06 Thread Florence + Michael
On 6 Nov 2010, at 19:22, John Howell wrote: > Gounod is hardly what I'd call a "recent" composer, since he died in 1910. > And that score is undoubtedly a reprint of a much earlier edition. Of course Gounod isn't a recent composer, but that edition is recent and certainly not a reprint of an e

Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-06 Thread David W. Fenton
On 6 Nov 2010 at 10:14, Florence + Michael wrote: > I recently received the conductor's score of Gounod's Faust > (Henschelverlag Berlin, 1972). I was surprised to find C-clefs used > for the voice parts in a score this recent: all female voices are > written in soprano clef and the tenors in teno

Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-06 Thread John Howell
At 10:14 AM +0100 11/6/10, Florence + Michael wrote: I recently received the conductor's score of Gounod's Faust (Henschelverlag Berlin, 1972). I was surprised to find C-clefs used for the voice parts in a score this recent: all female voices are written in soprano clef and the tenors in teno

{Spam} Re: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-06 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Florence + Michael wrote: I recently received the conductor's score of Gounod's Faust (Henschelverlag Berlin, 1972). I was surprised to find C-clefs used for the voice parts in a score this recent I'm not surprised to see them in a conductors score, as I've run across others, while examinin

[Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts

2010-11-06 Thread Florence + Michael
I recently received the conductor's score of Gounod's Faust (Henschelverlag Berlin, 1972). I was surprised to find C-clefs used for the voice parts in a score this recent: all female voices are written in soprano clef and the tenors in tenor clef. I thought this practice had died out in the 19th