Re: [Finale] beaming over rests
Fin2012c Win 8.1 When the beams are set to go over the rests, the rests are globally pushed down into the first space. How to keep them in their normal position? Thanks for your help! Dr.A.S.Weinstangel sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca cel.647-292-4605 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] beaming over rests
Thank you Klaus! That did it. I was going in circles here :-( Dr.A.S.Weinstangel sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca cel.647-292-4605 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:58:41 + From: yorkmaster...@yahoo.com To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] beaming over rests = Document Options (alt+cmd+A on Mac)= Beams= Uncheck: Allow Rests To Float Klaus Subject: Re: [Finale] beaming over rests Fin2012c Win 8.1 When the beams are set to go over the rests, the rests are globally pushed down into the first space. How to keep them in their normal position? Thanks for your help! Dr.A.S.Weinstangel ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] beaming over rests
= Document Options (alt+cmd+A on Mac)= Beams= Uncheck: Allow Rests To Float Klaus Subject: Re: [Finale] beaming over rests Fin2012c Win 8.1 When the beams are set to go over the rests, the rests are globally pushed down into the first space. How to keep them in their normal position? Thanks for your help! Dr.A.S.Weinstangel ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
On 11.09.2007 ThomaStudios wrote: The Bean Extension Tool (under Special Tools) will ONLY extend the end of the beams. Not the internal, secondary beams. And I always thought the Bean Extension tool was for extending your beans, green, white and red. Johannes ;-) -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
OK, I got a chance finally to look at this again this morning, applying the info I got here. Thanks for everyone's input. But there are still issues. For example, this is the original layout of a measure in question: inline: ex1.jpg The client wants it to look like this: inline: ex2.jpg This 2nd example was achieved ONLY by selecting Extend beams over rests globally, and that creates some issues with the feathered beams. Using the Beam extension tool instead, created issues with the first pair of 16ths, making the 16th beam disappear, and interacting with the feathered beams at the opposite end in an unwanted way. Naturally, by using the global Extend beams over rests, created problems elsewhere in the score. For example, this: inline: ex3.jpg became this: inline: ex4.jpg And then there's an issue with showing stem stubs, which is also a global attribute, solving a problem in one part of the score and creating problems elsewhere. So, any ideas from the collective wisdom here would be most appreciated. Perhaps I'm still overlooking something. I will be starting a case with tech support at MM on this request as well. Thanks again. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: make sure to take OFF the general option: extend secondary beams over rests of course it can be done - just do what John wrote before: ONLY select 16th note, NOT 8th... good luck. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:55 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: I know. But if you can get it to extend an internal 16th beam stub, let me know how. You can ONLY extend the beginning and end of a beam set. Try this: notate 8th note, 16th rest, 16th note, and try to extend the secondary beam from the last 16th note over the rest. Can't be done. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/07 1:59:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bean Extension Tool (under Special Tools) will ONLY extend the end of the beams. Not the internal, secondary beams. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
Your example helped illustrate the problem. In this case you need to break the beam befor the 32nd notes. Use the beam extention tool on both extending the stubs AND extend the 8th beam backwards to connect the 32nd note group to the 16ths. Sent a pdf of the example privately ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beaming over rests
Using FinMac 2K7, is there a way to have Finale beam over rests, NOT globally, but on a case by case basis. This has been lacking in every version, and I've just accepted that. Now a client want's a specific look and I don't see any options via the Document Options, Staff Styles, or even plug-ins, including Robert's. Any suggestions? J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
ThomaStudios wrote, on 9/11/2007 10:57 AM: Using FinMac 2K7, is there a way to have Finale beam over rests, NOT globally, but on a case by case basis. This has been lacking in every version, and I've just accepted that. Unless I misunderstand your request, you can beam over rests by placing the Speedy cursor on the rest(s) and hitting / exactly as you would with notes. If you want a partial extension over some rests, you can use the beam extension special tool. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
Yep, I wasn't completely clear. Right now, I am able to beam over rests, but the secondary beams are broken in the global setting, and the client wants them solidly across the rests in some instances, along with stub stems to more clearly indicate the rhythm. That's what I'm looking for specifically, and I'm trying to avoid a convoluted kludge via Shape Designer or similar. Sorry I was a bit vague. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 11, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: ThomaStudios wrote, on 9/11/2007 10:57 AM: Using FinMac 2K7, is there a way to have Finale beam over rests, NOT globally, but on a case by case basis. This has been lacking in every version, and I've just accepted that. Unless I misunderstand your request, you can beam over rests by placing the Speedy cursor on the rest(s) and hitting / exactly as you would with notes. If you want a partial extension over some rests, you can use the beam extension special tool. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
On 11-Sep-07, at 12:36 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: Yep, I wasn't completely clear. Right now, I am able to beam over rests, but the secondary beams are broken in the global setting, and the client wants them solidly across the rests in some instances, along with stub stems to more clearly indicate the rhythm. That's what I'm looking for specifically, and I'm trying to avoid a convoluted kludge via Shape Designer or similar. Sorry I was a bit vague. Hmm, this is a kludge, I'm afraid. I have accomplished this in the past by entering a REAL note close to the beam where I wanted the rest, then changing the notehead to a blank character, changing the beam angle with Special Tools so that the missing notehead looks like it was a stem stub, and adding the rest back in another layer, hiding with O in Speedy the ones I don't need. Big pain, I know. But the good news is that you can copy this to other places where you have a similar rhythm, then change pitches. Christopher BTW, open a case and make a feature request. The more of us ask, the more likely it will be addressed. I would LOVE to see it as a Staff Style, for instance. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
In a message dated 9/11/07 11:37:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The beam extention tool will do this where you want it. Yep, I wasn't completely clear. Right now, I am able to beam over rests, but the secondary beams are broken in the global setting, and the client wants them solidly across the rests in some instances, along with stub stems to more clearly indicate the rhythm. That's what I'm looking for specifically, and I'm trying to avoid a convoluted kludge via Shape Designer or similar. Sorry I was a bit vague. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
The Beam Extension tool won't give stem stubs, though, will it? Christopher On 11-Sep-07, at 2:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/07 11:37:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The beam extention tool will do this where you want it. Yep, I wasn't completely clear. Right now, I am able to beam over rests, but the secondary beams are broken in the global setting, and the client wants them solidly across the rests in some instances, along with stub stems to more clearly indicate the rhythm. That's what I'm looking for specifically, and I'm trying to avoid a convoluted kludge via Shape Designer or similar. Sorry I was a bit vague. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
The Bean Extension Tool (under Special Tools) will ONLY extend the end of the beams. Not the internal, secondary beams. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 11, 2007, at 11:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/07 11:37:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The beam extention tool will do this where you want it. Yep, I wasn't completely clear. Right now, I am able to beam over rests, but the secondary beams are broken in the global setting, and the client wants them solidly across the rests in some instances, along with stub stems to more clearly indicate the rhythm. That's what I'm looking for specifically, and I'm trying to avoid a convoluted kludge via Shape Designer or similar. Sorry I was a bit vague. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
In a message dated 9/11/07 1:59:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bean Extension Tool (under Special Tools) will ONLY extend the end of the beams. Not the internal, secondary beams. Not so. When you dbl click the handle, select 16th NOT 8th. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
In a message dated 9/11/07 1:58:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Beam Extension tool won't give stem stubs, though, will it? The global settings will give you the stubs. You only need to adjust the places where you want the 16th beams over the rests. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
And how far back does the beaming tool have this feature. Was it there in 2003? In a message dated 9/11/07 11:37:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The beam extention tool will do this where you want it. Yep, I wasn't completely clear. Right now, I am able to beam over rests, but the secondary beams are broken in the global setting, and the client wants them solidly across the rests in some instances, along with stub stems to more clearly indicate the rhythm. That's what I'm looking for specifically, and I'm trying to avoid a convoluted kludge via Shape Designer or similar. Sorry I was a bit vague. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
I know. But if you can get it to extend an internal 16th beam stub, let me know how. You can ONLY extend the beginning and end of a beam set. Try this: notate 8th note, 16th rest, 16th note, and try to extend the secondary beam from the last 16th note over the rest. Can't be done. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/07 1:59:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bean Extension Tool (under Special Tools) will ONLY extend the end of the beams. Not the internal, secondary beams. Not so. When you dbl click the handle, select 16th NOT 8th. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
make sure to take OFF the general option: extend secondary beams over rests of course it can be done - just do what John wrote before: ONLY select 16th note, NOT 8th... good luck. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:55 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: I know. But if you can get it to extend an internal 16th beam stub, let me know how. You can ONLY extend the beginning and end of a beam set. Try this: notate 8th note, 16th rest, 16th note, and try to extend the secondary beam from the last 16th note over the rest. Can't be done. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/07 1:59:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bean Extension Tool (under Special Tools) will ONLY extend the end of the beams. Not the internal, secondary beams. Not so. When you dbl click the handle, select 16th NOT 8th. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
of course it can be done - just do what John wrote before: ONLY select 16th note, NOT 8th... good luck. On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:55 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: I know. But if you can get it to extend an internal 16th beam stub, let me know how. You can ONLY extend the beginning and end of a beam set. Try this: notate 8th note, 16th rest, 16th note, and try to extend the secondary beam from the last 16th note over the rest. Can't be done. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/11/07 1:59:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bean Extension Tool (under Special Tools) will ONLY extend the end of the beams. Not the internal, secondary beams. Not so. When you dbl click the handle, select 16th NOT 8th. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beaming over rests
I have a client who is writing a piece that contains quite a bit of modern notation conventions. In one instance, he has a series of many 64th notes in one measure, with a few rests in the pattern. He wants all 4 beams showing over the rests so I can feather the beams. But Finale 2K7Mac will only allow me to do this globally, which I don't want to do. I've looked at Patterson's and TGTools to help, but to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best was to accomplish this look? Thanks. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Beaming over rests
I've hit this problem in the past, and never come out with any satisfactory workaround (or fudge). Very annoying. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ThomaStudios Sent: 27 October 2006 15:47 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Beaming over rests I have a client who is writing a piece that contains quite a bit of modern notation conventions. In one instance, he has a series of many 64th notes in one measure, with a few rests in the pattern. He wants all 4 beams showing over the rests so I can feather the beams. But Finale 2K7Mac will only allow me to do this globally, which I don't want to do. I've looked at Patterson's and TGTools to help, but to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best was to accomplish this look? Thanks. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
Probably the easiest option is the put in the rests as notes and then change the notehead symbols to rest symbols. If you care about playback, you can turn off the playback bit on the rests using the Frame Dialog box. If the rests are other than 64th rests, you may have to insert invisible tuplets as needed, so as to keep 4 beams at all times. Depending on the rest pattern, it is sometimes possible lengthen the secondary beam stubs across the entire beam. I have longed for local beam options, either in the beam tool or as a staff style option, but MM seems too busy with other priorities to consider it. But with linked parts, these kinds of workarounds are often not compatible with both score and part views, so we may see pressure build to address the more common ones. -Original Message- From: ThomaStudios [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 02:46 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Beaming over rests I have a client who is writing a piece that contains quite a bit of modern notation conventions. In one instance, he has a series of many 64th notes in one measure, with a few rests in the pattern. He wants all 4 beams showing over the rests so I can feather the beams. But Finale 2K7Mac will only allow me to do this globally, which I don't want to do. I've looked at Patterson's and TGTools to help, but to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best was to accomplish this look? Thanks. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
Thanks Robert for the workaround. As it turned out, I discussed the issue with the client and he acquiesced to a more 'Finale-friendly' notation that I suggested. But this has come up before and will again. I keep your solution on hand for future reference. Thanks again. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Oct 27, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Probably the easiest option is the put in the rests as notes and then change the notehead symbols to rest symbols. If you care about playback, you can turn off the playback bit on the rests using the Frame Dialog box. If the rests are other than 64th rests, you may have to insert invisible tuplets as needed, so as to keep 4 beams at all times. Depending on the rest pattern, it is sometimes possible lengthen the secondary beam stubs across the entire beam. I have longed for local beam options, either in the beam tool or as a staff style option, but MM seems too busy with other priorities to consider it. But with linked parts, these kinds of workarounds are often not compatible with both score and part views, so we may see pressure build to address the more common ones. -Original Message- From: ThomaStudios [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 02:46 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Beaming over rests I have a client who is writing a piece that contains quite a bit of modern notation conventions. In one instance, he has a series of many 64th notes in one measure, with a few rests in the pattern. He wants all 4 beams showing over the rests so I can feather the beams. But Finale 2K7Mac will only allow me to do this globally, which I don't want to do. I've looked at Patterson's and TGTools to help, but to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best was to accomplish this look? Thanks. J D Thomas ThomaStudios ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming over rests
On Oct 27, 2006, at 1:26 PM, ThomaStudios wrote: Thanks Robert for the workaround. As it turned out, I discussed the issue with the client and he acquiesced to a more 'Finale- friendly' notation that I suggested. Man, I HATE that! It drives me NUTS that WE have to acquiesce to the program, instead of the other way around, for such a simple thing! There is no reason on earth that Finale should not be able to change the include rests option from bar to bar, or even beat to beat, if we so choose. But kudos to Robert for his workaround, which is great! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
