[Fink-devel] Query about Conflicts/Replaces fields

2003-01-24 Thread Jeremy Higgs
Hi everyone, I'm trying to create a new package for libnet 1.1.x, called libnet1.1, as well as re-introduce the old package, libnet-1.0.2a, but I'm not sure what to do with the Conflicts and Replaces fields. The current version of the libnet package is 1.1.0, but I plan to move that to the lib

Re: [Fink-devel] redux on system-perlmodules

2003-01-24 Thread Ben Hines
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 10:17 PM, Ben Hines wrote: Researching this a bit more, it appears that this is a dpkg limitation. So, this will be hard to fix on the dpkg side, again unless we "force" everything. dpkg on debian linux also cannot handle Provides: when another package has a v

Re: [Fink-devel] redux on system-perlmodules

2003-01-24 Thread Ben Hines
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 08:55 PM, Ben Hines wrote: On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 08:49 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: And that scheme *still* doesn't work. Once I have system-perlmods installed, it *still* wants to try to install something like compress-zlib-pm, but then fails bec

Re: [Fink-devel] redux on system-perlmodules

2003-01-24 Thread Ben Hines
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 08:49 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: And that scheme *still* doesn't work. Once I have system-perlmods installed, it *still* wants to try to install something like compress-zlib-pm, but then fails because my package conflicts with it. If you have the Provides:

Re: [Fink-devel] redux on system-perlmodules

2003-01-24 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Randal> Actually, on second thought, I should "conflicts: (everything)" but Randal> "provides: (only the modules I actually have installed)". Randal> Maybe for version 2

Re: [Fink-devel] redux on system-perlmodules

2003-01-24 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Randal> Actually, on second thought, I should "conflicts: (everything)" but Randal> "provides: (only the modules I actually have installed)". Randal> Maybe for version 2. :) Sorry, I hit send too quick... And the *reason* for that

[Fink-devel] redux on system-perlmodules

2003-01-24 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Ben" == Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ben> Actually, my bad, you can use "Type: bundle" to get around that. So Ben> with Type: bundle you don't need the compilescript/installscript, etc. OK, here's what I now end up invoking routinely between "fink selfupdate-cvs" and "fink update-

Re: [Fink-devel] What would you do?

2003-01-24 Thread Ben Hines
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 07:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been working off and on on a package for fink. The problem is that the install script hardlinks the directory it is installed in inside a bunch of scripts critical for the performance of the program. So, where /sw/bin sh

[Fink-devel] What would you do?

2003-01-24 Thread chixson
I've been working off and on on a package for fink. The problem is that the install script hardlinks the directory it is installed in inside a bunch of scripts critical for the performance of the program. So, where /sw/bin should be, there is /sw/src/root-*/sw/bin It would be easiest to just d

Re: [Fink-devel] Who installed what...

2003-01-24 Thread Ben Hines
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 05:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there way to tell which .deb (and/or package) is responsible for installing a particular file in /sw? Yes, "dpkg -S README" for example. But dpkg -S is slow. So, i ported the package "dlocate" to fink. dlocate uses GNU l

Re: [Fink-devel] Who installed what...

2003-01-24 Thread Carsten
dpkg -S file will tell you the package name, so % dpkg -S /sw/bin/zmore gives: gzip: /sw/bin/zmore and: % dpkg -S zmore gzip: /sw/share/man/man1/zmore.1 bzip2: /sw/bin/bzmore bzip2: /sw/share/man/man1/bzmore.1 gzip: /sw/bin/zmore On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 08

Re: [Fink-devel] debian translation project

2003-01-24 Thread Carsten
Fink could have a separate file for languages that only contain the translatable fields Description, DescDetail, DescPort, DescUsage. So for one package these files are available: anacron-2.3-3.info <-English anacron-2.3-3.patch anacron-2.3-3.de.desc <-only German Desc* fields, rest is read from

[Fink-devel] Who installed what...

2003-01-24 Thread chixson
Is there way to tell which .deb (and/or package) is responsible for installing a particular file in /sw? --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com _

Re: [Fink-devel] GNUStep

2003-01-24 Thread Alexander Strange
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 03:54 PM, John Davidorff Pell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Do any of our friendly fink developers out there have any plans to add a GNUStep package? If so, I'd like to help, if not, then would anyone like to help me? JP I tried some, b

Re: [Fink-devel] debian translation project

2003-01-24 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Samstag, Jänner 25, 2003, at 01:29 Uhr, Ben Hines wrote: I don't know if we would want to have every translation in every .info file though. Might want to have separate distributions for each language, with the translated fields upda

[Fink-devel] debian translation project

2003-01-24 Thread Ben Hines
Check it out: http://ddtp.debian.org/news.en.html Perhaps we could use their site as a model for the fink translation project. I don't know if we would want to have every translation in every .info file though. Might want to have separate distributions for each language, with the translated f

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent

2003-01-24 Thread David R. Morrison
Benjamin Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ben Hines wrote: > > How about a "gurus only" option in fink.conf or something that specifies > > a list of packages that fink will assume are installed? We could allow > > regex in this list, to you could put something like: > > > > IgnorePackages: "o

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moralequivalent

2003-01-24 Thread Benjamin Reed
Ben Hines wrote: How about a "gurus only" option in fink.conf or something that specifies a list of packages that fink will assume are installed? We could allow regex in this list, to you could put something like: IgnorePackages: "openssl.*", ".*-pm", "tetex.*" Wouldn't dpkg still fail on inst

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent

2003-01-24 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Ben" == Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> While your way will work in a way that doesn't change code, >> it's not maintainable. Every person who adds a -pm module >> would have to also remember to update the "system-perl" module. >> >> I want the core "fink" tool to understand this

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent

2003-01-24 Thread Ben Hines
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 03:05 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: "Ben" == Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ben> I believe i explained how to do this earlier in the thread. While your way will work in a way that doesn't change code, it's not maintainable. Every person who adds a -pm

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent

2003-01-24 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Jeremy" == Jeremy Erwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jeremy> Well, one could write a flag "--ignore-pm" that would simply direct Jeremy> fink not to check for the presence of a -pm type package. The fink Jeremy> program would then assume that the user had already resolved the Jeremy> depende

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent

2003-01-24 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Ben" == Ben Hines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ben> I believe i explained how to do this earlier in the thread. While your way will work in a way that doesn't change code, it's not maintainable. Every person who adds a -pm module would have to also remember to update the "system-perl" modu

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent

2003-01-24 Thread Ben Hines
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 01:14 PM, David R. Morrison wrote: One possibility is to have a simple package "system-perlmodules" which would simply "Provide" all of the perlmodules on the system (and "Conflict" with I believe i explained how to do this earlier in the thread. -Ben ---

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent

2003-01-24 Thread David R. Morrison
Randal, I'm curious about how this works under Debian; do you know? Is it possible for Debian users to notify the Debian system that they have installed perl modules another way? I would also ask the same question about FreeBSD Ports. Either of those could be a guide about how to do this in Fin

[Fink-devel] GNUStep

2003-01-24 Thread John Davidorff Pell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Do any of our friendly fink developers out there have any plans to add a GNUStep package? If so, I'd like to help, if not, then would anyone like to help me? JP - -- God is dead, now the war shall never end. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version:

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent

2003-01-24 Thread Jeremy Erwin
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 01:08 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: The rest of the suggestions in this thread are welcome, but I still think we need to consider that fink is likely to be used by power-compilers like me as well as naive compilers that simply want access to cool Unix binaries f

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent

2003-01-24 Thread Jeremy Erwin
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: It is to *those* people whom I address the question - how can fink play nicely with a self-installed Perl installation? Something "system-MUMBLE"-ish should work, but will require the support of the fink developers. As of

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moralequivalent

2003-01-24 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > "Hisashi" == Hisashi T Fujinaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> What's the next step? > > Hisashi> Well, you never told me how to automatically update things using CPAN. > > OK, maybe this will sound snotty, but perhaps "perldoc CPAN" was a

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent

2003-01-24 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Hisashi" == Hisashi T Fujinaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> What's the next step? Hisashi> Well, you never told me how to automatically update things using CPAN. OK, maybe this will sound snotty, but perhaps "perldoc CPAN" was a bit too hard for you to type? In that case, everything th

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moralequivalent

2003-01-24 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > "Hisashi" == Hisashi T Fujinaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hisashi> The reason I quit using cpan is because it puts things places I don't want > Hisashi> (overwriting /usr/bin/head, for example) > > No longer. And it put stuff there only

Re: [Fink-devel] for the wishlist: system-$perlmodule, or the moral equivalent

2003-01-24 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Hisashi" == Hisashi T Fujinaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hisashi> The reason I quit using cpan is because it puts things places I don't want Hisashi> (overwriting /usr/bin/head, for example) No longer. And it put stuff there only because that's where you told it to put Perl. I build in

Re: [Fink-devel] Fink for FreeBSD

2003-01-24 Thread Xavier Beaudouin
Le vendredi, 24 jan 2003, à 17:30 Europe/Paris, Alexander Lehmann a écrit : What's wrong with ports? 1. I cannot use apt-get update and update all my software with a single command. 2. I need to keep track of changed packages manually. Granted, there a solutions to this on FreeBSD, but t

Re: [Fink-devel] Fink for FreeBSD

2003-01-24 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka
NetBSD has a package system that is also usable with Linux and Solaris. It's a bit more comprehensive than fink and has been around longer. On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Alexander Lehmann wrote: > Is there currently any development or plans to port Fink to other > platforms and operating systems then just

Re: [Fink-devel] Fink for FreeBSD

2003-01-24 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Freitag, Jänner 24, 2003, at 05:30 Uhr, Alexander Lehmann wrote: What's wrong with ports? 1. I cannot use apt-get update and update all my software with a single command. You can. There are numerous tools, even in ports which

Re: [Fink-devel] Fink for FreeBSD

2003-01-24 Thread Alexander Lehmann
What's wrong with ports? 1. I cannot use apt-get update and update all my software with a single command. 2. I need to keep track of changed packages manually. Granted, there a solutions to this on FreeBSD, but they do not seem to do this as effectivly and fast as Debian/Fink. 3. When insta

Re: [Fink-devel] Fink for FreeBSD

2003-01-24 Thread Kris Foster
What's wrong with ports? Kris On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Alexander Lehmann wrote: > Is there currently any development or plans to port Fink to other > platforms and operating systems then just Darwin? > > Especially a port to FreeBSD seems very useful and not so difficult to > do, as MacOSX and FreeB

Re: [Fink-devel] Fink for FreeBSD

2003-01-24 Thread Jason Deraleau
Is there currently any development or plans to port Fink to other platforms and operating systems then just Darwin? Especially a port to FreeBSD seems very useful and not so difficult to do, as MacOSX and FreeBSD have a lot of similarities. FreeBSD already has the ports system, which leaves no

[Fink-devel] Fink for FreeBSD

2003-01-24 Thread Alexander Lehmann
Is there currently any development or plans to port Fink to other platforms and operating systems then just Darwin? Especially a port to FreeBSD seems very useful and not so difficult to do, as MacOSX and FreeBSD have a lot of similarities. I think a lot of people using Free/Net/Open BSD or eve

Re: [Fink-devel] Apple VP loving Fink

2003-01-24 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Freitag, Jänner 24, 2003, at 02:05 Uhr, Jeff Hughes wrote: I just wanted to let you guys know that Bud Tribble, Apple's VP of Software Technology, was the speaker at a colloquium here at the University of Washington today. He gave a

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: apr-0.9.2-1

2003-01-24 Thread Christian Schaffner
Hi Jean-Francois thanks a lot for your feedback. On Donnerstag, Januar 23, 2003, at 06:39 Uhr, jfm wrote: On Thursday, Jan 23, 2003, at 16:31 Europe/Brussels, Christian Schaffner wrote: On Donnerstag, Januar 23, 2003, at 04:18 Uhr, Peter O'Gorman wrote: don't have apr installed, but this is