Re: [Fis] FW: The Information Flow

2012-11-20 Thread Karl Javorszky
Step Two of *Learn to Count in Twelve Easy Steps* *What happened previously:* Step 1.: We have introduced additional describing aspects of the logical sentence a+b=c. Next to a,b,c, we also make use of u=b-a, k=b-2a, t=2b-3a, q=a-2b, s=17-(a+b|c), w=2a-3b. For a graphical presentation, see:

Re: [Fis] FW: The Information Flow

2012-11-19 Thread John Collier
Dear folks, Overall, I agree with Gordana. I have one, perhaps very large, correction though. I will go through this bit by bit (no pun intended). I have been planning to jump into this discussion, but a visit here (UFBA) by Stewart Newman has kept me busy. He gave lots of examples of

Re: [Fis] FW: The Information Flow

2012-11-19 Thread Robert Ulanowicz
Quoting John Collier colli...@ukzn.ac.za: As I have tried to argue above, to avoid reductionism in reality as opposed to in logic and mathematics I think we need the additional condition of dissipation (what I call nonHamiltonian mechanics elsewhere -- the usual condition of conservation

[Fis] Fw: The Information Flow

2012-10-27 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Pedro, I and I am sure most of us are grateful when you open up the debate in this way. To go farther, though, people must be ready to ask many questions about familiar concepts such as the following: 1. Are there serious alternatives to Aristotelian causality? 2. Is it possible to

[Fis] FW: The Information Flow (From John Collier)

2012-10-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
*From:* John Collier *Sent:* 21 October 2012 11:22 PM *To:* fis *Subject:* Re: [Fis] The Information Flow At 06:14 PM 2012/10/21, Stanley N Salthe wrote: Pedro -- it is of interest to me that On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 3:38 PM, PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es wrote: