Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear colleagues, I see informational processes as essentially being proto-scientific – how is any science not an informational process? The sciences, in my opinion, are different in terms of what is communicated. As Maturana noted, the communication of molecules generates a biology.

Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Dai Griffiths
Thanks Loet, that is helpful, and makes intuitively good sense. But I remain puzzled. I see two distinct cases: Case 1: For molecules 'communication' consists of interaction between the molecules themselves, resulting in biology. Similarly, for atoms 'communication' consists of interaction

[Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Marcus Abundis
Greetings to all, As I read these comments I have a hard time finding an effective anchor upon which to add notes. I see informational processes as essentially being proto-scientific – how is any science not an informational process? First, I think this places me in the camp of Peirce's view.

[Fis] [Fwd: RE: RV: THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL? (R.Capurro)]

2015-05-20 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Original Message Subject: RE: [Fis] RV: THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL? (R.Capurro) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:02:53 + From: John Collier colli...@ukzn.ac.za Rafael, Joseph, list members, That is an interesting way of

Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Dai Griffiths
Thanks Robert, I agree with what you say about DNA, so I may be on the same slippery path to catastrophic heterodoxy! In responding to the question what is information, started by Marcus, I was pointing out what seemed to me to be a shifting definition of 'communication', and wondering if

[Fis] RV: What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
Dear FIS colleagues, The message (below) is quite interesting, as were several others e.g., the ongoing exchange between Moises and Loet. The clever work on the maps of science can help quite a bit to provide a more firm grounding to the whole informational enterprise (domain) and to others

[Fis] Garfield 1955 - organizing metadata for scientific literature

2015-05-20 Thread Ken Herold
FIS folks, Once again I need to step back into my niche role from the library side of things and share Garfield's breakthrough work from 60 years ago. http://www.library.fa.ru/files/Garfield.pdf Ken -- Ken Herold Director, Library Information Systems Hamilton College 198 College Hill Road

Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Dai: To say that molecules only interact directly is to ignore the metabolic matrix that constitutes the actual agency in living systems. For example, we read everywhere how DNA/RNA directs development, when the molecule itself is a passive material cause. It is the network of proteomic and

Re: [Fis] THE FOURTH GREAT DOMAIN OF SCIENCE: INFORMATIONAL?

2015-05-20 Thread Moisés André Nisenbaum
Physics students in Brazil do not read much about philosophy. They should read more :-). I remember I thought that the physical universe was entirely explained by mathematics. I found out later, for example, a huge number of mathematically possible universes. Then, I was then presented to the