Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-23 Thread nik crosina
Would something like Northcodes SWF studio be very secure - I jsut found out that (from their overview page) ... Protect Your Work: Are you worried about people extracting the files you bundle with your applications? File resources you bundle with your application can be encrypted using

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-21 Thread nik crosina
not just yet, we are trying to get the go ahead for a demo first, do that, spec out the app fullyand approve the budget, so it might take a while. But I'll keep it in mind. What you have in mind is dongle-less, but protecting the swf from being decomplied? Or preventing it from being copyied tro

RE: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-20 Thread Michael Mudge
And me ;) ! How would I connect such a dongle with the app I am trying to preotect when I am using Director and / or Flash! I think I wasted a bit of your email blabbing about security. The reality is, you don't want a dongle, it just complicates things, and hardware is generally

RE: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-19 Thread Michael Mudge
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weyert de Boer Genuine Dongles? What about dumping dongle data and then use a dongle emulator? I'm glad you asked! =) Making a totally un-copyable dongle is actually pretty trivial. There are

RE: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-19 Thread Laurie Jensen
: RE: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weyert de Boer Genuine Dongles? What about dumping dongle data and then use a dongle emulator? I'm glad you asked! =) Making a totally un

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-19 Thread nik crosina
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Mudge Sent: Friday, 20 April 2007 4:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-18 Thread nik crosina
Yeh, but woudl that be an option (skills and software wise) to the average user, even to the average pirate or copier?? The ore I look into the issue, the more I am thinking of not really going beyond the deterrent stage, as anything beyond that becomes a 'project ' in itself, detracting budget

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-17 Thread nik crosina
Hi Ivan, What you are saying is very easy to say if you don't feel the need to actually comment on a possible solution. Without wanting to take this thread too OT - what is your suggesiton to people / companies who have content which they invested considerable amount ot time and money to

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-17 Thread nik crosina
Hi Weyert, Can a dongle easily be circumvented then? What's the best way of protection then, and do you know where I would find a specialist in this? Thanks, Nik On 4/17/07, Weyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nik, I have done research for my dad a while ago, and I came to the

RE: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-17 Thread Danny Kodicek
Hi Nik, I have done research for my dad a while ago, and I came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth the effort $$$ wise. Not sure whether that is applicable to your project, Pete, but has anyone ever used dongle (i.e. hardware) protection for their projects? I am currently

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-17 Thread nik crosina
The circumstances of the particular project I am quoting for would require the content to be almost exclusively off-line, diskbased, and to be used in a class room environment. So I explicitly do not want to rely in any way on authentiofication over on-line resources, as this will open up a

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-17 Thread nik crosina
I am aware that it's not a bad comment, Ron (Thanks for your thoughts on dongles, btw). I was interested in finding out what Ivan thought would be an alternative to trying to protect content. I am 'only' a developer working for various people and companies, but I am not sure at this point what

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-17 Thread David Cohn
Nik, I missed the beginning of this thread (on vacation), so forgive me if I misunderstand the premises... but we've had a good experience using CrypKey Instant to wrap applications (http://www.crypkey.com/), which then require a software key to unlock for specific machine(s) only (it

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-17 Thread Ron Wheeler
This is not a bad comment. What I gather that he is saying is that we are perhaps looking for a technical solution when we should be looking at the source of the need. If you believe that your customers will steal from you and try to make money from redistributing your product behind your

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-17 Thread Ron Wheeler
Dongles would be pretty hard to control in a classroom. 1)They would disappear (practical jokes or wanting to run the software on different machines and not returning them, etc.). 2)The administration of many sets of dongles required to support different applications would make the Tech support

RE: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-17 Thread Michael Mudge
I can make a cheap, cryptographically secure USB or Serial dongle no problem. However, the issue with any kind of software-based security is that once the software is on a client's machine, the client can do whatever he wants with it; modify it not to use the dongle. But you CAN make it a

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-17 Thread nik crosina
Hi Kipp, that sounds exactly like the strategies recommended to me by the Aladdin guys, and their manuals. And it also sounds logical to me. The question to me is now whether I can tie a dongle into actions script and then e.g. obfuscate the code to a high enough degree that it would be above

RE: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-17 Thread Michael Mudge
@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy Hi Kipp, that sounds exactly like the strategies recommended to me by the Aladdin guys, and their manuals. And it also sounds logical to me. The question to me is now whether I can tie a dongle into actions

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-17 Thread Weyert de Boer
Genuine Dongles? What about dumping dongle data and then use a dongle emulator? Yours, Weyert ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders

RE: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-16 Thread Blumenthal, Peter
Thanks all for your responses (and apologies for my tardy reply!) Roy - that's a really interesting idea. I have a couple of follow up questions though please. Were you then loading those SWFs into Director, rather than using a loadMovie to load them into Flash? I assume so, because although I

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-16 Thread nik crosina
Hi, Not sure whether that is applicable to your project, Pete, but has anyone ever used dongle (i.e. hardware) protection for their projects? I am currently testing out HASP from Aladdin, and does the job so far (have not come very far yet in testing though). It does offer to build calls to the

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-16 Thread Weyert de Boer
Hi Nik, I have done research for my dad a while ago, and I came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth the effort $$$ wise. Not sure whether that is applicable to your project, Pete, but has anyone ever used dongle (i.e. hardware) protection for their projects? I am currently testing out HASP

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-16 Thread Иван Дембицкий
Hello Peter, I think a problem in business idea. You can compare Microsoft and Google business idea. And? Do you like Microsoft direction? Everybody understand: it's yesterday's business principles. You need to change your mind for correlation with today's realities. Problem not in protection

RE: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-13 Thread Blumenthal, Peter
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Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-11 Thread Roy Pardi
At 5:53 PM +0100 4/11/07, Blumenthal, Peter wrote: Hi List. I'm interested in hearing people's thoughts on the issues surrounding prevention of software piracy on Flash based applications, released on CD-ROM. Since you are running in Director, one technique I have used in the past which may

Re: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-11 Thread Gustavo Duenas
I don't know if this can help you out, but I'm little familiar with director and in south america I've seen that some developer put the libraries of the executable in external and locked. I don't know whether Flash can do it or not, but you would googled that issue...I hope this can help

RE: [Flashcoders] [semi-OT] - Preventing Software Piracy

2007-04-11 Thread Hairy Dog Digital
This is a topic that's come up several times in the past on the Direct-L list. You might want to search the list archives at http://listserv.uark.edu/archives/direct-l.html ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or