Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

[John R. Sweeney Jr.]

Sorry, I do not know. I use the Flash Pro IDE.



John R. Sweeney Jr.
Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer
OnDemand Interactive Inc
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On Sep 9, 2014, at 2:40 PM, John McCormack  wrote:

> Is Flash Builder Enterprise kept up to date,

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Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

[John McCormack]

John

Is Flash Builder Enterprise kept up to date, as the CC version is?
The Flash Builder for CS6 doesn't change.

John

On 09/09/2014 15:30, John R. Sweeney Jr. wrote:

Flash CS6 and/or FlashCC and AIR and they both work great on PC/MAC/IOS/Android.


Later,
John

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On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Rick  wrote:


Phonegap is great until you want to do something out of its parameters.

Also, my experience has been: "build once, debug everywhere"


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Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

[John R. Sweeney Jr.]

Flash CS6 and/or FlashCC and AIR and they both work great on 
PC/MAC/IOS/Android. 


Later,
John

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On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Rick  wrote:

> Phonegap is great until you want to do something out of its parameters.
> 
> Also, my experience has been: "build once, debug everywhere"


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Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

[tom rhodes]

At the end of the day it's still a JS app being run on the device, native
will always be faster/more performant.

On 9 September 2014 14:34, Rick  wrote:

> Phonegap is great until you want to do something out of its parameters.
>
> Also, my experience has been: "build once, debug everywhere"
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 12:13:40 +0100
> > From: j...@easypeasy.co.uk
> > To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging
> >
> > Phonegap:
> > Well, I am amazed.
> > Thanks to all.
> > John
> >
> > On 08/09/2014 20:39, James Merrill wrote:
> > > Oh it is a spaghetti mix of code. But that's not necessarily evil.
> > >
> > > Think about it this way, you're not really supposed to be mixing them,
> they
> > > are supposed to be complimenting each other.
> > >
> > > Your HTML defines your content, and that's it.
> > > Your CSS adds fonts, colors, positioning, and simple interactivity,
> that's
> > > it.
> > > Your JS adds logic to your project.
> > >
> > > So you're not actually mixing everything together, you're leveraging
> each
> > > one to add an integral piece to your project. You may take on all these
> > > jobs yourself, or you may not. Some companies have frontend developers
> who
> > > do HTML/CSS and dedicated Javascript developers to only do JS. It's a
> > > different way of thinking than using one platform for everything.
> > >
> > > It can be unnerving trying to keep up with all of the new JS frameworks
> > > that are constantly coming up, and even worse trying to integrate them
> all.
> > > Trust me, I get paid to do it. Fortunately there's a massive community
> to
> > > fall back on when it comes to troubleshooting.
> > >
> > > If you're building Flex apps you'd definitely like Angular, which you
> would
> > > use with Cordova to publish to iPad. Basically, Cordova is part of
> > > Phonegap, which is a build system for deploying to mobile devices.
> Phonegap
> > > will wrap your code in a native app with a web view, so it's
> essentially a
> > > website being viewed in an app. Cordova is a javascript library that
> > > exposes all the native APIs of iOS/Android, so now your app can do much
> > > more than a website. I have used XCode on a Mac to test my Phonegap
> apps.
> > > IIRC, the native wrapper isn't changing, only the internal
> HTML/CSS/JS, so
> > > you don't have to compile like you would with a native app. I also used
> > > this to my advantage by building parts of the app in-browser.
> > >
> > > You could use Angular to structure your app in a MVC-like pattern, and
> then
> > > use Phonegap to deploy it.
> > >
> > > Also, I've switched to using Sublime Text 3 as my editor of choice,
> and I
> > > can't recommend it enough.
> > >
> > > Hopefully that helps!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM, John McCormack 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> James,
> > >>
> > >> I would prefer to avoid learning a handful of applications, if
> possible,
> > >> though I did follow your link and subscribe to the channel. Thank you.
> > >>
> > >> It sounds such a spaghetti mix one has to learn before even
> attempting to
> > >> write the app:
> > >> JS + CSS + HTML5 +Angular +Reactjs +Cordova
> > >>
> > >> Flash Builder can publish an app straight to the tablet, how does one
> go
> > >> about the with the combination you use?
> > >>
> > >> You used to be interested in IntelliJ - is that the IDE you settled
> on?
> > >>
> > >> On Flash Builder:
> > >> Today I asked Adobe for the upgrade price to Flash Builder 4.7
> Premium but
> > >> the guy didn't know if was kept up-to-date as the CC version is.
> > >>
> > >> One Adobe's site the forum has one recent post and the rest are from
> weeks
> > >> ago, so no clue there about what, if anything is happening.
> > >>
> > >> What IDE's are other people using?
> > >>
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 08/09/2014 15:50, James Merrill wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I was one of those Flash evangelists that fought the good fight
> against
> > >>> HTML/JS/CSS for years And I can remember when the iPhone was
> launched
> > >>> almost 8 years ago and everyone called it the death of Flash.
> > >>>
> > >>> You can debate the merits of Steve Jobs' comments on Flash all day,
> but
> > >>> the
> > >>> damage was done, 8 years ago.
> > >>>
> > >>> In the last 2-3 years amazing things have been cultivated in
> JS/CSS/HTML5.
> > >>> We now have two-way data binding with Angular, and responsive CSS to
> > >>> handle
> > >>> all devices out there. We have something kind of like Starling for
> the DOM
> > >>> called Reactjs. Building RIA's has never been easier, and frameworks
> like
> > >>> Cordova allow them to be published to not only the web, but mobile
> devices
> > >>> too.
> > >>>
> > >>> There's been a ton of innovation with how we build websites and apps
> in
> > >>> HTML, and things are getting more exciting with a stronger focus on
> > >>> animation and interactivity <
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8TXgC

RE: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

[Rick]

Phonegap is great until you want to do something out of its parameters.

Also, my experience has been: "build once, debug everywhere"


> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 12:13:40 +0100
> From: j...@easypeasy.co.uk
> To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging
> 
> Phonegap:
> Well, I am amazed.
> Thanks to all.
> John
> 
> On 08/09/2014 20:39, James Merrill wrote:
> > Oh it is a spaghetti mix of code. But that's not necessarily evil.
> >
> > Think about it this way, you're not really supposed to be mixing them, they
> > are supposed to be complimenting each other.
> >
> > Your HTML defines your content, and that's it.
> > Your CSS adds fonts, colors, positioning, and simple interactivity, that's
> > it.
> > Your JS adds logic to your project.
> >
> > So you're not actually mixing everything together, you're leveraging each
> > one to add an integral piece to your project. You may take on all these
> > jobs yourself, or you may not. Some companies have frontend developers who
> > do HTML/CSS and dedicated Javascript developers to only do JS. It's a
> > different way of thinking than using one platform for everything.
> >
> > It can be unnerving trying to keep up with all of the new JS frameworks
> > that are constantly coming up, and even worse trying to integrate them all.
> > Trust me, I get paid to do it. Fortunately there's a massive community to
> > fall back on when it comes to troubleshooting.
> >
> > If you're building Flex apps you'd definitely like Angular, which you would
> > use with Cordova to publish to iPad. Basically, Cordova is part of
> > Phonegap, which is a build system for deploying to mobile devices. Phonegap
> > will wrap your code in a native app with a web view, so it's essentially a
> > website being viewed in an app. Cordova is a javascript library that
> > exposes all the native APIs of iOS/Android, so now your app can do much
> > more than a website. I have used XCode on a Mac to test my Phonegap apps.
> > IIRC, the native wrapper isn't changing, only the internal HTML/CSS/JS, so
> > you don't have to compile like you would with a native app. I also used
> > this to my advantage by building parts of the app in-browser.
> >
> > You could use Angular to structure your app in a MVC-like pattern, and then
> > use Phonegap to deploy it.
> >
> > Also, I've switched to using Sublime Text 3 as my editor of choice, and I
> > can't recommend it enough.
> >
> > Hopefully that helps!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM, John McCormack 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> James,
> >>
> >> I would prefer to avoid learning a handful of applications, if possible,
> >> though I did follow your link and subscribe to the channel. Thank you.
> >>
> >> It sounds such a spaghetti mix one has to learn before even attempting to
> >> write the app:
> >> JS + CSS + HTML5 +Angular +Reactjs +Cordova
> >>
> >> Flash Builder can publish an app straight to the tablet, how does one go
> >> about the with the combination you use?
> >>
> >> You used to be interested in IntelliJ - is that the IDE you settled on?
> >>
> >> On Flash Builder:
> >> Today I asked Adobe for the upgrade price to Flash Builder 4.7 Premium but
> >> the guy didn't know if was kept up-to-date as the CC version is.
> >>
> >> One Adobe's site the forum has one recent post and the rest are from weeks
> >> ago, so no clue there about what, if anything is happening.
> >>
> >> What IDE's are other people using?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08/09/2014 15:50, James Merrill wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was one of those Flash evangelists that fought the good fight against
> >>> HTML/JS/CSS for years And I can remember when the iPhone was launched
> >>> almost 8 years ago and everyone called it the death of Flash.
> >>>
> >>> You can debate the merits of Steve Jobs' comments on Flash all day, but
> >>> the
> >>> damage was done, 8 years ago.
> >>>
> >>> In the last 2-3 years amazing things have been cultivated in JS/CSS/HTML5.
> >>> We now have two-way data binding with Angular, and responsive CSS to
> >>> handle
> >>> all devices out there. We have something kind of like Starling for the DOM
> >>> called Reactjs. Building RIA's has never been easier, and frameworks like
> >>> Cordova allow them to be published to not only the web, but mobile devices
> >>> too.
> >>>
> >>> There's been a ton of innovation with how we build websites and apps in
> >>> HTML, and things are getting more exciting with a stronger focus on
> >>> animation and interactivity   .
> >>> There's a  unified force in the community pushing new features for us
> >>> developers to use. I have to wonder how this compares to the Flash
> >>> community. Is Adobe adding new features? Are there new frameworks coming
> >>> out that redefine Flash development as we know it?
> >>>
> >>> Flash does a lot of things very well, but I wonder how much longer can it
> >>> be relevant without major suppo

Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

[John McCormack]

Phonegap:
Well, I am amazed.
Thanks to all.
John

On 08/09/2014 20:39, James Merrill wrote:

Oh it is a spaghetti mix of code. But that's not necessarily evil.

Think about it this way, you're not really supposed to be mixing them, they
are supposed to be complimenting each other.

Your HTML defines your content, and that's it.
Your CSS adds fonts, colors, positioning, and simple interactivity, that's
it.
Your JS adds logic to your project.

So you're not actually mixing everything together, you're leveraging each
one to add an integral piece to your project. You may take on all these
jobs yourself, or you may not. Some companies have frontend developers who
do HTML/CSS and dedicated Javascript developers to only do JS. It's a
different way of thinking than using one platform for everything.

It can be unnerving trying to keep up with all of the new JS frameworks
that are constantly coming up, and even worse trying to integrate them all.
Trust me, I get paid to do it. Fortunately there's a massive community to
fall back on when it comes to troubleshooting.

If you're building Flex apps you'd definitely like Angular, which you would
use with Cordova to publish to iPad. Basically, Cordova is part of
Phonegap, which is a build system for deploying to mobile devices. Phonegap
will wrap your code in a native app with a web view, so it's essentially a
website being viewed in an app. Cordova is a javascript library that
exposes all the native APIs of iOS/Android, so now your app can do much
more than a website. I have used XCode on a Mac to test my Phonegap apps.
IIRC, the native wrapper isn't changing, only the internal HTML/CSS/JS, so
you don't have to compile like you would with a native app. I also used
this to my advantage by building parts of the app in-browser.

You could use Angular to structure your app in a MVC-like pattern, and then
use Phonegap to deploy it.

Also, I've switched to using Sublime Text 3 as my editor of choice, and I
can't recommend it enough.

Hopefully that helps!



On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM, John McCormack 
wrote:


James,

I would prefer to avoid learning a handful of applications, if possible,
though I did follow your link and subscribe to the channel. Thank you.

It sounds such a spaghetti mix one has to learn before even attempting to
write the app:
JS + CSS + HTML5 +Angular +Reactjs +Cordova

Flash Builder can publish an app straight to the tablet, how does one go
about the with the combination you use?

You used to be interested in IntelliJ - is that the IDE you settled on?

On Flash Builder:
Today I asked Adobe for the upgrade price to Flash Builder 4.7 Premium but
the guy didn't know if was kept up-to-date as the CC version is.

One Adobe's site the forum has one recent post and the rest are from weeks
ago, so no clue there about what, if anything is happening.

What IDE's are other people using?

John


On 08/09/2014 15:50, James Merrill wrote:


I was one of those Flash evangelists that fought the good fight against
HTML/JS/CSS for years And I can remember when the iPhone was launched
almost 8 years ago and everyone called it the death of Flash.

You can debate the merits of Steve Jobs' comments on Flash all day, but
the
damage was done, 8 years ago.

In the last 2-3 years amazing things have been cultivated in JS/CSS/HTML5.
We now have two-way data binding with Angular, and responsive CSS to
handle
all devices out there. We have something kind of like Starling for the DOM
called Reactjs. Building RIA's has never been easier, and frameworks like
Cordova allow them to be published to not only the web, but mobile devices
too.

There's been a ton of innovation with how we build websites and apps in
HTML, and things are getting more exciting with a stronger focus on
animation and interactivity 

Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

[John McCormack]

I shall attempt a Dr. Who re-juvination (re-incarnation) into a 
multi-brained octopus!


Although I am familiar with how PHP/HTML/JS/CSS work together, its 
amazing that all these other elements can also work together and that 
Phonegap can wrap your code the way it does.


Thanks very much for that. If its the way for me to go I have a lot to 
find out. I will have a look at Phonegap.


On the other hand, I wonder what IDE other people are using for to 
publish in AIR.

I really don't want a subscription service like CC.

Much appreciated.

John

Flash Coders List 
On 08/09/2014 20:39, James Merrill wrote:

Oh it is a spaghetti mix of code. But that's not necessarily evil.

Think about it this way, you're not really supposed to be mixing them, they
are supposed to be complimenting each other.

Your HTML defines your content, and that's it.
Your CSS adds fonts, colors, positioning, and simple interactivity, that's
it.
Your JS adds logic to your project.

So you're not actually mixing everything together, you're leveraging each
one to add an integral piece to your project. You may take on all these
jobs yourself, or you may not. Some companies have frontend developers who
do HTML/CSS and dedicated Javascript developers to only do JS. It's a
different way of thinking than using one platform for everything.

It can be unnerving trying to keep up with all of the new JS frameworks
that are constantly coming up, and even worse trying to integrate them all.
Trust me, I get paid to do it. Fortunately there's a massive community to
fall back on when it comes to troubleshooting.

If you're building Flex apps you'd definitely like Angular, which you would
use with Cordova to publish to iPad. Basically, Cordova is part of
Phonegap, which is a build system for deploying to mobile devices. Phonegap
will wrap your code in a native app with a web view, so it's essentially a
website being viewed in an app. Cordova is a javascript library that
exposes all the native APIs of iOS/Android, so now your app can do much
more than a website. I have used XCode on a Mac to test my Phonegap apps.
IIRC, the native wrapper isn't changing, only the internal HTML/CSS/JS, so
you don't have to compile like you would with a native app. I also used
this to my advantage by building parts of the app in-browser.

You could use Angular to structure your app in a MVC-like pattern, and then
use Phonegap to deploy it.

Also, I've switched to using Sublime Text 3 as my editor of choice, and I
can't recommend it enough.

Hopefully that helps!



On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM, John McCormack 
wrote:


James,

I would prefer to avoid learning a handful of applications, if possible,
though I did follow your link and subscribe to the channel. Thank you.

It sounds such a spaghetti mix one has to learn before even attempting to
write the app:
JS + CSS + HTML5 +Angular +Reactjs +Cordova

Flash Builder can publish an app straight to the tablet, how does one go
about the with the combination you use?

You used to be interested in IntelliJ - is that the IDE you settled on?

On Flash Builder:
Today I asked Adobe for the upgrade price to Flash Builder 4.7 Premium but
the guy didn't know if was kept up-to-date as the CC version is.

One Adobe's site the forum has one recent post and the rest are from weeks
ago, so no clue there about what, if anything is happening.

What IDE's are other people using?

John


On 08/09/2014 15:50, James Merrill wrote:


I was one of those Flash evangelists that fought the good fight against
HTML/JS/CSS for years And I can remember when the iPhone was launched
almost 8 years ago and everyone called it the death of Flash.

You can debate the merits of Steve Jobs' comments on Flash all day, but
the
damage was done, 8 years ago.

In the last 2-3 years amazing things have been cultivated in JS/CSS/HTML5.
We now have two-way data binding with Angular, and responsive CSS to
handle
all devices out there. We have something kind of like Starling for the DOM
called Reactjs. Building RIA's has never been easier, and frameworks like
Cordova allow them to be published to not only the web, but mobile devices
too.

There's been a ton of innovation with how we build websites and apps in
HTML, and things are getting more exciting with a stronger focus on
animation and interactivity