Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

2014-09-09 Thread John McCormack
I shall attempt a Dr. Who re-juvination (re-incarnation) into a 
multi-brained octopus!


Although I am familiar with how PHP/HTML/JS/CSS work together, its 
amazing that all these other elements can also work together and that 
Phonegap can wrap your code the way it does.


Thanks very much for that. If its the way for me to go I have a lot to 
find out. I will have a look at Phonegap.


On the other hand, I wonder what IDE other people are using for to 
publish in AIR.

I really don't want a subscription service like CC.

Much appreciated.

John

Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
On 08/09/2014 20:39, James Merrill wrote:

Oh it is a spaghetti mix of code. But that's not necessarily evil.

Think about it this way, you're not really supposed to be mixing them, they
are supposed to be complimenting each other.

Your HTML defines your content, and that's it.
Your CSS adds fonts, colors, positioning, and simple interactivity, that's
it.
Your JS adds logic to your project.

So you're not actually mixing everything together, you're leveraging each
one to add an integral piece to your project. You may take on all these
jobs yourself, or you may not. Some companies have frontend developers who
do HTML/CSS and dedicated Javascript developers to only do JS. It's a
different way of thinking than using one platform for everything.

It can be unnerving trying to keep up with all of the new JS frameworks
that are constantly coming up, and even worse trying to integrate them all.
Trust me, I get paid to do it. Fortunately there's a massive community to
fall back on when it comes to troubleshooting.

If you're building Flex apps you'd definitely like Angular, which you would
use with Cordova to publish to iPad. Basically, Cordova is part of
Phonegap, which is a build system for deploying to mobile devices. Phonegap
will wrap your code in a native app with a web view, so it's essentially a
website being viewed in an app. Cordova is a javascript library that
exposes all the native APIs of iOS/Android, so now your app can do much
more than a website. I have used XCode on a Mac to test my Phonegap apps.
IIRC, the native wrapper isn't changing, only the internal HTML/CSS/JS, so
you don't have to compile like you would with a native app. I also used
this to my advantage by building parts of the app in-browser.

You could use Angular to structure your app in a MVC-like pattern, and then
use Phonegap to deploy it.

Also, I've switched to using Sublime Text 3 as my editor of choice, and I
can't recommend it enough.

Hopefully that helps!



On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk
wrote:


James,

I would prefer to avoid learning a handful of applications, if possible,
though I did follow your link and subscribe to the channel. Thank you.

It sounds such a spaghetti mix one has to learn before even attempting to
write the app:
JS + CSS + HTML5 +Angular +Reactjs +Cordova

Flash Builder can publish an app straight to the tablet, how does one go
about the with the combination you use?

You used to be interested in IntelliJ - is that the IDE you settled on?

On Flash Builder:
Today I asked Adobe for the upgrade price to Flash Builder 4.7 Premium but
the guy didn't know if was kept up-to-date as the CC version is.

One Adobe's site the forum has one recent post and the rest are from weeks
ago, so no clue there about what, if anything is happening.

What IDE's are other people using?

John


On 08/09/2014 15:50, James Merrill wrote:


I was one of those Flash evangelists that fought the good fight against
HTML/JS/CSS for years And I can remember when the iPhone was launched
almost 8 years ago and everyone called it the death of Flash.

You can debate the merits of Steve Jobs' comments on Flash all day, but
the
damage was done, 8 years ago.

In the last 2-3 years amazing things have been cultivated in JS/CSS/HTML5.
We now have two-way data binding with Angular, and responsive CSS to
handle
all devices out there. We have something kind of like Starling for the DOM
called Reactjs. Building RIA's has never been easier, and frameworks like
Cordova allow them to be published to not only the web, but mobile devices
too.

There's been a ton of innovation with how we build websites and apps in
HTML, and things are getting more exciting with a stronger focus on
animation and interactivity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8TXgCzxEnw

.

There's a  unified force in the community pushing new features for us
developers to use. I have to wonder how this compares to the Flash
community. Is Adobe adding new features? Are there new frameworks coming
out that redefine Flash development as we know it?

Flash does a lot of things very well, but I wonder how much longer can it
be relevant without major support from Adobe. I'm sure there's still jobs
out there for Flash devs, but I'd have to imagine the pool is getting
smaller.




On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk
wrote:

 

Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

2014-09-09 Thread John McCormack

Phonegap:
Well, I am amazed.
Thanks to all.
John

On 08/09/2014 20:39, James Merrill wrote:

Oh it is a spaghetti mix of code. But that's not necessarily evil.

Think about it this way, you're not really supposed to be mixing them, they
are supposed to be complimenting each other.

Your HTML defines your content, and that's it.
Your CSS adds fonts, colors, positioning, and simple interactivity, that's
it.
Your JS adds logic to your project.

So you're not actually mixing everything together, you're leveraging each
one to add an integral piece to your project. You may take on all these
jobs yourself, or you may not. Some companies have frontend developers who
do HTML/CSS and dedicated Javascript developers to only do JS. It's a
different way of thinking than using one platform for everything.

It can be unnerving trying to keep up with all of the new JS frameworks
that are constantly coming up, and even worse trying to integrate them all.
Trust me, I get paid to do it. Fortunately there's a massive community to
fall back on when it comes to troubleshooting.

If you're building Flex apps you'd definitely like Angular, which you would
use with Cordova to publish to iPad. Basically, Cordova is part of
Phonegap, which is a build system for deploying to mobile devices. Phonegap
will wrap your code in a native app with a web view, so it's essentially a
website being viewed in an app. Cordova is a javascript library that
exposes all the native APIs of iOS/Android, so now your app can do much
more than a website. I have used XCode on a Mac to test my Phonegap apps.
IIRC, the native wrapper isn't changing, only the internal HTML/CSS/JS, so
you don't have to compile like you would with a native app. I also used
this to my advantage by building parts of the app in-browser.

You could use Angular to structure your app in a MVC-like pattern, and then
use Phonegap to deploy it.

Also, I've switched to using Sublime Text 3 as my editor of choice, and I
can't recommend it enough.

Hopefully that helps!



On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk
wrote:


James,

I would prefer to avoid learning a handful of applications, if possible,
though I did follow your link and subscribe to the channel. Thank you.

It sounds such a spaghetti mix one has to learn before even attempting to
write the app:
JS + CSS + HTML5 +Angular +Reactjs +Cordova

Flash Builder can publish an app straight to the tablet, how does one go
about the with the combination you use?

You used to be interested in IntelliJ - is that the IDE you settled on?

On Flash Builder:
Today I asked Adobe for the upgrade price to Flash Builder 4.7 Premium but
the guy didn't know if was kept up-to-date as the CC version is.

One Adobe's site the forum has one recent post and the rest are from weeks
ago, so no clue there about what, if anything is happening.

What IDE's are other people using?

John


On 08/09/2014 15:50, James Merrill wrote:


I was one of those Flash evangelists that fought the good fight against
HTML/JS/CSS for years And I can remember when the iPhone was launched
almost 8 years ago and everyone called it the death of Flash.

You can debate the merits of Steve Jobs' comments on Flash all day, but
the
damage was done, 8 years ago.

In the last 2-3 years amazing things have been cultivated in JS/CSS/HTML5.
We now have two-way data binding with Angular, and responsive CSS to
handle
all devices out there. We have something kind of like Starling for the DOM
called Reactjs. Building RIA's has never been easier, and frameworks like
Cordova allow them to be published to not only the web, but mobile devices
too.

There's been a ton of innovation with how we build websites and apps in
HTML, and things are getting more exciting with a stronger focus on
animation and interactivity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8TXgCzxEnw

.

There's a  unified force in the community pushing new features for us
developers to use. I have to wonder how this compares to the Flash
community. Is Adobe adding new features? Are there new frameworks coming
out that redefine Flash development as we know it?

Flash does a lot of things very well, but I wonder how much longer can it
be relevant without major support from Adobe. I'm sure there's still jobs
out there for Flash devs, but I'd have to imagine the pool is getting
smaller.




On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk
wrote:

  That's really encouraging.

Great!
Thanks


On 07/09/2014 02:13, Rick wrote:

  AIR app installs cross a billion - April 2014

now powers almost a hundred thousand unique applications on desktops
and mobile devices.

http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2014/04/air-app-
installs-cross-a-billion.html

It's such a great platform still - I've been using it to make ios apps
with good results. The weakness is how it is perceived. But clients do
smile at the reduced developer costs and its great capabilities. If only
adobe would hire an a-list PR firm 

RE: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

2014-09-09 Thread Rick
Phonegap is great until you want to do something out of its parameters.

Also, my experience has been: build once, debug everywhere


 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 12:13:40 +0100
 From: j...@easypeasy.co.uk
 To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
 Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging
 
 Phonegap:
 Well, I am amazed.
 Thanks to all.
 John
 
 On 08/09/2014 20:39, James Merrill wrote:
  Oh it is a spaghetti mix of code. But that's not necessarily evil.
 
  Think about it this way, you're not really supposed to be mixing them, they
  are supposed to be complimenting each other.
 
  Your HTML defines your content, and that's it.
  Your CSS adds fonts, colors, positioning, and simple interactivity, that's
  it.
  Your JS adds logic to your project.
 
  So you're not actually mixing everything together, you're leveraging each
  one to add an integral piece to your project. You may take on all these
  jobs yourself, or you may not. Some companies have frontend developers who
  do HTML/CSS and dedicated Javascript developers to only do JS. It's a
  different way of thinking than using one platform for everything.
 
  It can be unnerving trying to keep up with all of the new JS frameworks
  that are constantly coming up, and even worse trying to integrate them all.
  Trust me, I get paid to do it. Fortunately there's a massive community to
  fall back on when it comes to troubleshooting.
 
  If you're building Flex apps you'd definitely like Angular, which you would
  use with Cordova to publish to iPad. Basically, Cordova is part of
  Phonegap, which is a build system for deploying to mobile devices. Phonegap
  will wrap your code in a native app with a web view, so it's essentially a
  website being viewed in an app. Cordova is a javascript library that
  exposes all the native APIs of iOS/Android, so now your app can do much
  more than a website. I have used XCode on a Mac to test my Phonegap apps.
  IIRC, the native wrapper isn't changing, only the internal HTML/CSS/JS, so
  you don't have to compile like you would with a native app. I also used
  this to my advantage by building parts of the app in-browser.
 
  You could use Angular to structure your app in a MVC-like pattern, and then
  use Phonegap to deploy it.
 
  Also, I've switched to using Sublime Text 3 as my editor of choice, and I
  can't recommend it enough.
 
  Hopefully that helps!
 
 
 
  On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk
  wrote:
 
  James,
 
  I would prefer to avoid learning a handful of applications, if possible,
  though I did follow your link and subscribe to the channel. Thank you.
 
  It sounds such a spaghetti mix one has to learn before even attempting to
  write the app:
  JS + CSS + HTML5 +Angular +Reactjs +Cordova
 
  Flash Builder can publish an app straight to the tablet, how does one go
  about the with the combination you use?
 
  You used to be interested in IntelliJ - is that the IDE you settled on?
 
  On Flash Builder:
  Today I asked Adobe for the upgrade price to Flash Builder 4.7 Premium but
  the guy didn't know if was kept up-to-date as the CC version is.
 
  One Adobe's site the forum has one recent post and the rest are from weeks
  ago, so no clue there about what, if anything is happening.
 
  What IDE's are other people using?
 
  John
 
 
  On 08/09/2014 15:50, James Merrill wrote:
 
  I was one of those Flash evangelists that fought the good fight against
  HTML/JS/CSS for years And I can remember when the iPhone was launched
  almost 8 years ago and everyone called it the death of Flash.
 
  You can debate the merits of Steve Jobs' comments on Flash all day, but
  the
  damage was done, 8 years ago.
 
  In the last 2-3 years amazing things have been cultivated in JS/CSS/HTML5.
  We now have two-way data binding with Angular, and responsive CSS to
  handle
  all devices out there. We have something kind of like Starling for the DOM
  called Reactjs. Building RIA's has never been easier, and frameworks like
  Cordova allow them to be published to not only the web, but mobile devices
  too.
 
  There's been a ton of innovation with how we build websites and apps in
  HTML, and things are getting more exciting with a stronger focus on
  animation and interactivity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8TXgCzxEnw
  .
  There's a  unified force in the community pushing new features for us
  developers to use. I have to wonder how this compares to the Flash
  community. Is Adobe adding new features? Are there new frameworks coming
  out that redefine Flash development as we know it?
 
  Flash does a lot of things very well, but I wonder how much longer can it
  be relevant without major support from Adobe. I'm sure there's still jobs
  out there for Flash devs, but I'd have to imagine the pool is getting
  smaller.
 
 
 
 
  On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk
  wrote:
 
That's really encouraging.
  Great!
  Thanks
 
 
  On 

Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

2014-09-09 Thread tom rhodes
At the end of the day it's still a JS app being run on the device, native
will always be faster/more performant.

On 9 September 2014 14:34, Rick rickhas...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Phonegap is great until you want to do something out of its parameters.

 Also, my experience has been: build once, debug everywhere


  Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 12:13:40 +0100
  From: j...@easypeasy.co.uk
  To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
  Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging
 
  Phonegap:
  Well, I am amazed.
  Thanks to all.
  John
 
  On 08/09/2014 20:39, James Merrill wrote:
   Oh it is a spaghetti mix of code. But that's not necessarily evil.
  
   Think about it this way, you're not really supposed to be mixing them,
 they
   are supposed to be complimenting each other.
  
   Your HTML defines your content, and that's it.
   Your CSS adds fonts, colors, positioning, and simple interactivity,
 that's
   it.
   Your JS adds logic to your project.
  
   So you're not actually mixing everything together, you're leveraging
 each
   one to add an integral piece to your project. You may take on all these
   jobs yourself, or you may not. Some companies have frontend developers
 who
   do HTML/CSS and dedicated Javascript developers to only do JS. It's a
   different way of thinking than using one platform for everything.
  
   It can be unnerving trying to keep up with all of the new JS frameworks
   that are constantly coming up, and even worse trying to integrate them
 all.
   Trust me, I get paid to do it. Fortunately there's a massive community
 to
   fall back on when it comes to troubleshooting.
  
   If you're building Flex apps you'd definitely like Angular, which you
 would
   use with Cordova to publish to iPad. Basically, Cordova is part of
   Phonegap, which is a build system for deploying to mobile devices.
 Phonegap
   will wrap your code in a native app with a web view, so it's
 essentially a
   website being viewed in an app. Cordova is a javascript library that
   exposes all the native APIs of iOS/Android, so now your app can do much
   more than a website. I have used XCode on a Mac to test my Phonegap
 apps.
   IIRC, the native wrapper isn't changing, only the internal
 HTML/CSS/JS, so
   you don't have to compile like you would with a native app. I also used
   this to my advantage by building parts of the app in-browser.
  
   You could use Angular to structure your app in a MVC-like pattern, and
 then
   use Phonegap to deploy it.
  
   Also, I've switched to using Sublime Text 3 as my editor of choice,
 and I
   can't recommend it enough.
  
   Hopefully that helps!
  
  
  
   On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk
   wrote:
  
   James,
  
   I would prefer to avoid learning a handful of applications, if
 possible,
   though I did follow your link and subscribe to the channel. Thank you.
  
   It sounds such a spaghetti mix one has to learn before even
 attempting to
   write the app:
   JS + CSS + HTML5 +Angular +Reactjs +Cordova
  
   Flash Builder can publish an app straight to the tablet, how does one
 go
   about the with the combination you use?
  
   You used to be interested in IntelliJ - is that the IDE you settled
 on?
  
   On Flash Builder:
   Today I asked Adobe for the upgrade price to Flash Builder 4.7
 Premium but
   the guy didn't know if was kept up-to-date as the CC version is.
  
   One Adobe's site the forum has one recent post and the rest are from
 weeks
   ago, so no clue there about what, if anything is happening.
  
   What IDE's are other people using?
  
   John
  
  
   On 08/09/2014 15:50, James Merrill wrote:
  
   I was one of those Flash evangelists that fought the good fight
 against
   HTML/JS/CSS for years And I can remember when the iPhone was
 launched
   almost 8 years ago and everyone called it the death of Flash.
  
   You can debate the merits of Steve Jobs' comments on Flash all day,
 but
   the
   damage was done, 8 years ago.
  
   In the last 2-3 years amazing things have been cultivated in
 JS/CSS/HTML5.
   We now have two-way data binding with Angular, and responsive CSS to
   handle
   all devices out there. We have something kind of like Starling for
 the DOM
   called Reactjs. Building RIA's has never been easier, and frameworks
 like
   Cordova allow them to be published to not only the web, but mobile
 devices
   too.
  
   There's been a ton of innovation with how we build websites and apps
 in
   HTML, and things are getting more exciting with a stronger focus on
   animation and interactivity 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8TXgCzxEnw
   .
   There's a  unified force in the community pushing new features for us
   developers to use. I have to wonder how this compares to the Flash
   community. Is Adobe adding new features? Are there new frameworks
 coming
   out that redefine Flash development as we know it?
  
   Flash does a lot of things very well, but I wonder how much longer

Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

2014-09-09 Thread John R. Sweeney Jr.
Flash CS6 and/or FlashCC and AIR and they both work great on 
PC/MAC/IOS/Android. 


Later,
John

John R. Sweeney Jr.
Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer
OnDemand Interactive Inc
Hoffman Estates, IL 60169




On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Rick rickhas...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Phonegap is great until you want to do something out of its parameters.
 
 Also, my experience has been: build once, debug everywhere


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Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

2014-09-09 Thread John McCormack

John

Is Flash Builder Enterprise kept up to date, as the CC version is?
The Flash Builder for CS6 doesn't change.

John

On 09/09/2014 15:30, John R. Sweeney Jr. wrote:

Flash CS6 and/or FlashCC and AIR and they both work great on PC/MAC/IOS/Android.


Later,
John

John R. Sweeney Jr.
Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer
OnDemand Interactive Inc
Hoffman Estates, IL 60169




On Sep 9, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Rick rickhas...@hotmail.com wrote:


Phonegap is great until you want to do something out of its parameters.

Also, my experience has been: build once, debug everywhere


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Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging

2014-09-09 Thread John R. Sweeney Jr.
Sorry, I do not know. I use the Flash Pro IDE.



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OnDemand Interactive Inc
Hoffman Estates, IL 60169




On Sep 9, 2014, at 2:40 PM, John McCormack j...@easypeasy.co.uk wrote:

 Is Flash Builder Enterprise kept up to date,

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