At the end of the day it's still a JS app being run on the device, native will always be faster/more performant.
On 9 September 2014 14:34, Rick <rickhas...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Phonegap is great until you want to do something out of its parameters. > > Also, my experience has been: "build once, debug everywhere" > > > > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 12:13:40 +0100 > > From: j...@easypeasy.co.uk > > To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows debugging > > > > Phonegap: > > Well, I am amazed. > > Thanks to all. > > John > > > > On 08/09/2014 20:39, James Merrill wrote: > > > Oh it is a spaghetti mix of code. But that's not necessarily evil. > > > > > > Think about it this way, you're not really supposed to be mixing them, > they > > > are supposed to be complimenting each other. > > > > > > Your HTML defines your content, and that's it. > > > Your CSS adds fonts, colors, positioning, and simple interactivity, > that's > > > it. > > > Your JS adds logic to your project. > > > > > > So you're not actually mixing everything together, you're leveraging > each > > > one to add an integral piece to your project. You may take on all these > > > jobs yourself, or you may not. Some companies have frontend developers > who > > > do HTML/CSS and dedicated Javascript developers to only do JS. It's a > > > different way of thinking than using one platform for everything. > > > > > > It can be unnerving trying to keep up with all of the new JS frameworks > > > that are constantly coming up, and even worse trying to integrate them > all. > > > Trust me, I get paid to do it. Fortunately there's a massive community > to > > > fall back on when it comes to troubleshooting. > > > > > > If you're building Flex apps you'd definitely like Angular, which you > would > > > use with Cordova to publish to iPad. Basically, Cordova is part of > > > Phonegap, which is a build system for deploying to mobile devices. > Phonegap > > > will wrap your code in a native app with a web view, so it's > essentially a > > > website being viewed in an app. Cordova is a javascript library that > > > exposes all the native APIs of iOS/Android, so now your app can do much > > > more than a website. I have used XCode on a Mac to test my Phonegap > apps. > > > IIRC, the native wrapper isn't changing, only the internal > HTML/CSS/JS, so > > > you don't have to compile like you would with a native app. I also used > > > this to my advantage by building parts of the app in-browser. > > > > > > You could use Angular to structure your app in a MVC-like pattern, and > then > > > use Phonegap to deploy it. > > > > > > Also, I've switched to using Sublime Text 3 as my editor of choice, > and I > > > can't recommend it enough. > > > > > > Hopefully that helps! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 PM, John McCormack <j...@easypeasy.co.uk> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> James, > > >> > > >> I would prefer to avoid learning a handful of applications, if > possible, > > >> though I did follow your link and subscribe to the channel. Thank you. > > >> > > >> It sounds such a spaghetti mix one has to learn before even > attempting to > > >> write the app: > > >> JS + CSS + HTML5 +Angular +Reactjs +Cordova > > >> > > >> Flash Builder can publish an app straight to the tablet, how does one > go > > >> about the with the combination you use? > > >> > > >> You used to be interested in IntelliJ - is that the IDE you settled > on? > > >> > > >> On Flash Builder: > > >> Today I asked Adobe for the upgrade price to Flash Builder 4.7 > Premium but > > >> the guy didn't know if was kept up-to-date as the CC version is. > > >> > > >> One Adobe's site the forum has one recent post and the rest are from > weeks > > >> ago, so no clue there about what, if anything is happening. > > >> > > >> What IDE's are other people using? > > >> > > >> John > > >> > > >> > > >> On 08/09/2014 15:50, James Merrill wrote: > > >> > > >>> I was one of those Flash evangelists that fought the good fight > against > > >>> HTML/JS/CSS for years.... And I can remember when the iPhone was > launched > > >>> almost 8 years ago and everyone called it the death of Flash. > > >>> > > >>> You can debate the merits of Steve Jobs' comments on Flash all day, > but > > >>> the > > >>> damage was done, 8 years ago. > > >>> > > >>> In the last 2-3 years amazing things have been cultivated in > JS/CSS/HTML5. > > >>> We now have two-way data binding with Angular, and responsive CSS to > > >>> handle > > >>> all devices out there. We have something kind of like Starling for > the DOM > > >>> called Reactjs. Building RIA's has never been easier, and frameworks > like > > >>> Cordova allow them to be published to not only the web, but mobile > devices > > >>> too. > > >>> > > >>> There's been a ton of innovation with how we build websites and apps > in > > >>> HTML, and things are getting more exciting with a stronger focus on > > >>> animation and interactivity < > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8TXgCzxEnw > > >>>> . > > >>> There's a unified force in the community pushing new features for us > > >>> developers to use. I have to wonder how this compares to the Flash > > >>> community. Is Adobe adding new features? Are there new frameworks > coming > > >>> out that redefine Flash development as we know it? > > >>> > > >>> Flash does a lot of things very well, but I wonder how much longer > can it > > >>> be relevant without major support from Adobe. I'm sure there's still > jobs > > >>> out there for Flash devs, but I'd have to imagine the pool is getting > > >>> smaller. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM, John McCormack < > j...@easypeasy.co.uk> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> That's really encouraging. > > >>>> Great! > > >>>> Thanks > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On 07/09/2014 02:13, Rick wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> AIR app installs cross a billion - April 2014 > > >>>>> "now powers almost a hundred thousand unique applications on > desktops > > >>>>> and mobile devices. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2014/04/air-app- > > >>>>> installs-cross-a-billion.html > > >>>>> > > >>>>> It's such a great platform still - I've been using it to make ios > apps > > >>>>> with good results. The weakness is how it is perceived. But > clients do > > >>>>> smile at the reduced developer costs and its great capabilities. > If only > > >>>>> adobe would hire an a-list PR firm to change the perception to > match the > > >>>>> reality. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 20:18:12 +0100 > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> From: j...@easypeasy.co.uk > > >>>>>> To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] AIR native extension - Windows > debugging > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Good point. > > >>>>>> Thanks > > >>>>>> John > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 05/09/2014 21:43, Henrik Andersson wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The problem here is developers not stating what runtime they > use for > > >>>>>>> their apps. What can be done is checking existing apps for > obvious > > >>>>>>> signs > > >>>>>>> of the runtime. Shouldn't take long for someone to crawl the > appstore > > >>>>>>> and check all the apps for the fingerprint of the runtime. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> John McCormack skriver: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> There may have been some merit in Apple's battery argument > since > > >>>>>>>> greater cpu activity, for Flash's vector format, might incur a > > >>>>>>>> greater > > >>>>>>>> energy cost. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Although Flash is having a hard time I was thinking more of > using > > >>>>>>>> AIR, > > >>>>>>>> which I think has more life left in it. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> The thing is, I have no idea how active developers are with > app's > > >>>>>>>> delivered via AIR. > > >>>>>>>> Are there many AIR app's being produced? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Flashcoders mailing list > > >>>>>>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > >>>>>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > >>>>>>> . > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> Flashcoders mailing list > > >>>>>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > >>>>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> ______________________________ > > >>>>> _________________ > > >>>>> Flashcoders mailing list > > >>>>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > >>>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > >>>>> . > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Flashcoders mailing list > > >>>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > >>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Flashcoders mailing list > > >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Flashcoders mailing list > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > _______________________________________________ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > _______________________________________________ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
