RE: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite - what's happening
You literally can't buy a new handset in Japan that doesn't support Flash Lite. 1.1 and you have to register with the carrier to be a content provider. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite - what's happening
Well that might be case for Japan but I haven't seen a flash lite enabled mobile here in Australia. I just went to Europe a couple of weeks ago and Flash Lite dose not seem to be a big thing there either. Furthermore, I really can't be bothered developing Flash lite v.1.1. If Flash Lite were on every handset in the world and had full projector capability ( integration with hardware and OS ) - what would you do with it? Well - you could for example create widgets for mobile phones or games. Or you could use it as marketing tool, similar to a CD-ROM. However you would download the application via Bluetooth for a Flash lite terminal ... I think what we need is something like the Frog in the Blender application. I can remember that after this silly flash movie was sent around as an email attachment people suddenly knew what Flash was. Obviously we would need something more mature now. My point is Flash became successful because people can easily create Flash content and it can be played on almost any computer. But it's pointless to create content for something, which only exists on the Adobe site or in Japan (unless you happen to live in Japan) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keldon Rush Sent: Monday, 7 August 2006 3:40 PM To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite - what's happening http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=vzw+flash+lite You literally can't buy a new handset in Japan that doesn't support Flash Lite. You can buy an LG 8300 today in a Verizon Wireless store that supports Flash animated wallpapers, not the same thing as the BREW Flash Lite extension, but it is Flash on a phone in N. America. My question is: If Flash Lite were on every handset in the world and had full projector capability ( integration with hardware and OS ) - what would you do with it? Keldon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite - what's happening
Tony, your clock is set to the epoch (1970) or its your mail transport agent. come and join the future :) Anthony Lee wrote: You literally can't buy a new handset in Japan that doesn't support Flash Lite. 1.1 and you have to register with the carrier to be a content provider. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite - what's happening
carriers have total control in Japan which is what makes such a great development environment for content - you have 2 carriers with consistent platforms across devices - add to that DRM and you have a very nice platform for development. The thing with FL over there is that its used as a very basic content type, so animation and erm animation rule. There is very little usage beyond that. What is happening outside of Japan is that the content is completely different - there will be some cross over where concepts that worked in Japan will happen outside with FL but I think that will be a very small percentage of FL content outside Japan. In terms of FL2.0 timeframes - handsets have a long production lifecycle, end of story. So the only way FL could be here quicker is if FL2.0 was created sooner ;) Cheers Nick Anthony Lee wrote: i read somewhere that flash lite is far more popular in Japan Popular yes, but not due to a more conducive environment. Last time I looked the only carrier to have Flash Lite 2 handsets deliberately reengineered them to not work. Who knows why, probably some under the table thing to protect their 1.1 content providers. that the carries have far too much control over developers I believe that's the case in Japan too. Tony ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
: RE: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite - what's happening
1.1 and you have to register with the carrier to be a content provider. ___ thats not true - you have to register to be part of their official portal - which is the same the world over. However you can distribute content through unofficial portals or through content aggregators without any operator contact. The key issue with any content provider is that you need to be able to bill for it - which necessitates some contact with an operator directly or indirectly. Cheers Nick ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite - what's happening
Robin Burrer wrote: [various statements/questions about Flash mobile adoption] North American is behind the curve, agreed... you'll hear similar statements over the last few years of exec interviews. Why? Partly because the early build-out of landlines in North America slowed the momentum for mobile communication -- there weren't coverage gaps as in other areas of the world, and so less necessity for mobile development. Another reason is that North America was an early adopter of widespread computer use, and so didn't have the necessity for data development either. There's no failure like success, and no success like failure. Why's it baked into the phones? Because mobiles differ more than computers, and consumer installation would not be practical. Where are the operators? In North America Verizon has already announced planned deployment, and the BREW announcements are now in public beta. For going back to old formats, that's true -- we've had to refactor downwards for the less capable devices. This discrepancy will diminish over time, although there's also pressure for desktop-only stuff like hardware-assisted rendering, but the goal is to reduce the differences among device types. Why can't they provide a flash projector provider for mobile phones? More and more, people are realizing that they don't want to install native code from strangers onto their devices. The Adobe Flash Player provides a sandbox in which safe instructions can run. Trusting strangers often works out well, but Don't get me wrong I'm really impressed with the performance of Flash Lite 2.0 player and its capabilities. Maybe that's why frustrated... I agree with you... it's hard waiting for the future to come. At least we've passed through the Grand Inquisition and the days before indoor plumbing by now, those were hard times, but there's still a long way to go ;-) jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: : RE: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite - what's happening
1.1 and you have to register with the carrier to be a content provider. thats not true - you have to register to be part of their official portal Happy to be corrected! I only know what I read on Japanese developer's blogs, and from that I'd formed the opinion that it wasn't worth looking further. I am still a little perplexed that the exact model of Nokia phone that's running FL2 in the States is known to not run it here. All I could gather was that it was a 'business decision'. Tony ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
[Flashcoders] Flash Lite - what's happening
Hi there, I think I don't really understand Adobe's policy regarding flash Lite. First of all how come they talking about flash Lite for ages and I have not met anybody (besides other flash developers) with flash enabled mobile yet? Secondly, why is the player not for free? I mean fair enough Adobe tries to make money by selling the player to mobile phone manufacturers, but somehow I think it would be more beneficial for flash platform and Adobe if the player was for free. When you go to Adobe Flash Lite page and click on supported devices it shows you a number of different mobile phones and 95% of them only support v 1.1. My Nokia 6670 plays flash Lite 2.0 content just fine btw. I mean what's the point in going six years back to Flash 4 and use this technology for the latest handsets? I rather wait another ten years than go back and write Flash 4 code again... Why can't they provide a flash projector provider for mobile phones? All flash lite applications I have seen so far were standalone applications anyway. This way people could actually start developing applications without having to worry if the user has the plug-in installed. Don't get me wrong I'm really impressed with the performance of Flash Lite 2.0 player and its capabilities. Maybe that's why frustrated... Robin ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite - what's happening
Hello... I feel your pain...are you in the u.s.? i think mobile development in the u.s. on whole has long way to go. i read somewhere that flash lite is far more popular in Japan, but i haven't been there so i don't know for sure, but i have been to europe where mobile development is miles (or kilometers) ahead of what's being done in the states...the most obvious problem here is that the carries have far too much control over developers when really it should be the handset manufactures to manage that relationship... .02 b - Original Message - From: Robin Burrer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flashcoders mailing list flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 6:57 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite - what's happening Hi there, I think I don't really understand Adobe's policy regarding flash Lite. First of all how come they talking about flash Lite for ages and I have not met anybody (besides other flash developers) with flash enabled mobile yet? Secondly, why is the player not for free? I mean fair enough Adobe tries to make money by selling the player to mobile phone manufacturers, but somehow I think it would be more beneficial for flash platform and Adobe if the player was for free. When you go to Adobe Flash Lite page and click on supported devices it shows you a number of different mobile phones and 95% of them only support v 1.1. My Nokia 6670 plays flash Lite 2.0 content just fine btw. I mean what's the point in going six years back to Flash 4 and use this technology for the latest handsets? I rather wait another ten years than go back and write Flash 4 code again... Why can't they provide a flash projector provider for mobile phones? All flash lite applications I have seen so far were standalone applications anyway. This way people could actually start developing applications without having to worry if the user has the plug-in installed. Don't get me wrong I'm really impressed with the performance of Flash Lite 2.0 player and its capabilities. Maybe that's why frustrated... Robin ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash Lite - what's happening
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=vzw+flash+lite You literally can't buy a new handset in Japan that doesn't support Flash Lite. You can buy an LG 8300 today in a Verizon Wireless store that supports Flash animated wallpapers, not the same thing as the BREW Flash Lite extension, but it is Flash on a phone in N. America. My question is: If Flash Lite were on every handset in the world and had full projector capability ( integration with hardware and OS ) - what would you do with it? Keldon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
