RE: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-10 Thread Kerry Thompson
John McCormack wrote: > It seems strange that we might pay Irish taxes when we don't pay US > taxes. Can this be true? I'm American, and have been to the UK, and to Ireland, many times. Unless I'm badly mistaken, I was able to get a VAT refund for non-consumables. That is, the sweater I bought in

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-10 Thread Paul Andrews
Paul Andrews wrote: Paul Andrews wrote: I thought I'd see what Adobe UK are charging for upgrading CS3 Web Design Premium to CS4 - to see if it's been reduced from an arm and a leg. Much to my surprise, Adobe is charging ?30 MORE for download delivery versus physical box shipment - seems the

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-10 Thread Glen Pike
I thought that they were using the www-servers to help farm tropical type fish in the US now... The ones in EIRE should be used to distill the whisky or heat up the Guinness :) John McCormack wrote: Glen Pike wrote: product. A real incentive to reduce carbon emissions by saving on transpor

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-10 Thread John McCormack
Glen Pike wrote: product. A real incentive to reduce carbon emissions by saving on transport and production, isn't it? :-D From what I have seen of Vista's random "high CPU usage", it might be more carbon-efficient to post the CD... ___ Not to

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-10 Thread Ian Thomas
Good point. :-D On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Glen Pike wrote: > >> product. A real incentive to reduce carbon emissions by saving on >> transport and production, isn't it? :-D >> >> > > From what I have seen of Vista's random "high CPU usage", it might be more > carbon-efficient to post the C

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-10 Thread Glen Pike
product. A real incentive to reduce carbon emissions by saving on transport and production, isn't it? :-D From what I have seen of Vista's random "high CPU usage", it might be more carbon-efficient to post the CD... ___ Flashcoders mailing list F

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-10 Thread Ian Thomas
Yeah - it's not an anomaly, always been the way. It's crazy. :-) Costs more for download than to have shipped, boxed product. A real incentive to reduce carbon emissions by saving on transport and production, isn't it? :-D Ian On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Glen Pike wrote: > It's been more e

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-10 Thread Glen Pike
It's been more expensive to download the software for a while - we had same problem with Contribute a couple of years ago - don't think it's an "anomaly" here... Paul Andrews wrote: Paul Andrews wrote: I thought I'd see what Adobe UK are charging for upgrading CS3 Web Design Premium to CS4 -

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-10 Thread Paul Andrews
Paul Andrews wrote: I thought I'd see what Adobe UK are charging for upgrading CS3 Web Design Premium to CS4 - to see if it's been reduced from an arm and a leg. Much to my surprise, Adobe is charging ?30 MORE for download delivery versus physical box shipment - seems the wrong way around to

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-10 Thread Glen Pike
Originally, Microsoft kept developer tools at a lower price to encourage their adoption. If they do that with Silverlight maybe it will, eventually, be Flash's competitor. - They just have to make it easy to animate AND code applications with - that would make it a serious competitor for Fla

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-10 Thread John McCormack
Glen Pike wrote: Paul Andrews wrote: I thought I'd see what Adobe UK are charging for upgrading CS3 Web Design Premium to CS4 - to see if it's been reduced from an arm and a leg. Much to my surprise, Adobe is charging ?30 MORE for download delivery versus physical box shipment - seems the wr

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-10 Thread Glen Pike
Paul Andrews wrote: I thought I'd see what Adobe UK are charging for upgrading CS3 Web Design Premium to CS4 - to see if it's been reduced from an arm and a leg. Much to my surprise, Adobe is charging ?30 MORE for download delivery versus physical box shipment - seems the wrong way around to

RE: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-09 Thread Kerry Thompson
Karl DeSaulniers wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't monopolys illegal? No, monopolies per se are generally not illegal. It's unfair anti-competitive behavior that is illegal. If I decided to make beer with Brussels sprouts instead of hops, I'd probably have a legal monopoly simply beca

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-09 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
True Sent from losPhone On Aug 9, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Dave Watts wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't monopolys illegal? Some are, most aren't. There's nothing stopping you or anyone else from coming up with a Flash competitor. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-09 Thread Dave Watts
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't monopolys illegal? Some are, most aren't. There's nothing stopping you or anyone else from coming up with a Flash competitor. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruct

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-09 Thread Juan Pablo Califano
A very interesting article on pricing and segmentation: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/CamelsandRubberDuckies.html It's a long read, but very enjoyable. Cheers Juan Pablo Califano 2009/8/9 Dave Watts > > - "We charge what the market will bear": Which sounds like the real > > answer, b

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-09 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't monopolys illegal? I think I remember reading that in my history books somewhere. :\ Karl Sent from losPhone On Aug 9, 2009, at 4:48 PM, "Kerry Thompson" wrote: Dave Watts wrote: This is pretty much the entire answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma

RE: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-09 Thread Kerry Thompson
Dave Watts wrote: > This is pretty much the entire answer. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_segment#Price_Discrimination There's not much competition for Flash, is there? Adobe have pretty much a monopoly. What is curious is that a lot of things just cost more in Europe than in North Ame

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-09 Thread Dave Watts
> - "We charge what the market will bear": Which sounds like the real > answer, but does not make me happy. Still, sending a developer over to > the US to buy copies in a shop there - because the cost of the flight > is much cheaper than the software - would make the developer happy. This is prett

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-09 Thread Paul Andrews
Ian Thomas wrote: I've given up on trying to figure out Adobe pricing. The last time I queried the ridiculous difference between US and UK prices the quotes I had were: - "It costs more to keep UK support staff": Well, I'm sorry about that, but I never use your UK support staff - besides, I give

Re: [Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-09 Thread Ian Thomas
I've given up on trying to figure out Adobe pricing. The last time I queried the ridiculous difference between US and UK prices the quotes I had were: - "It costs more to keep UK support staff": Well, I'm sorry about that, but I never use your UK support staff - besides, I give other people suppor

[Flashcoders] OT - bizarre Adobe pricing

2009-08-08 Thread Paul Andrews
I thought I'd see what Adobe UK are charging for upgrading CS3 Web Design Premium to CS4 - to see if it's been reduced from an arm and a leg. Much to my surprise, Adobe is charging ?30 MORE for download delivery versus physical box shipment - seems the wrong way around to me! Paul ___