Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
after linkhopping from one of the links on this thread, i came across this post http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/01/sympathy_for_the_devil.html by john nack from adobe i think it addresses some of the points that have been picked up by this list although it still suffers from the flash = video arguement. njoi On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:19 AM, William Chadwick wchadw...@gmail.comwrote: Paul, If I remember correctly, Apple is the little company that has the Mac- it's like a PC only expensive and the software you use probably doesn't work on it. Apple had a good thing way back when and they decided not to let other companies build their hardware. Now they have a hobby market for their machine. They are trying to do the same thing with their phones. They have a great product. But they are attempting to control their market with a straitjacket. These tactics will marginalize their new device to a smaller religiously devoted following- just as happened with the Mac. Which is probably why Apple's cell phone ...market share fell from 18.1% in the third quarter to 16.6% ( http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i5b66cf41076535513394892bc43fb243 ) They are making good money- I wouldn't mind making that much money, but they could be even bigger. William On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Paul Andrews p...@ipauland.com wrote: William Chadwick wrote: Apple's decision is irritating, but they're going to loose out. Apple is the one who will suffer. They are suffering so badly the appstore is empty, nobody buys iPhones and revenue is tiny.. ..I don't think so. Jobs did a smart thing keeping flash off the iPhone. I really can't imagine why he isn't a Flash supporter.. Apple is raking the money in via the AppStore. William Chadwick On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Bob Wohl bob.w...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's written with AS but not compiled to flash. It's all smoke and mirrors. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Gustavo Duenas gdue...@leftandrightsolutions.com wrote: I don't get it, it says that ipad wouldn't support flash player, but recently I read on adobe labs that there is possible in cs5 to make app (flash based) for iphone, then is not the same system? gus On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote: Gerry wrote: Flash Player 1. I emailed Tobias and he replied... Sorry, but Gordon supports only SWF version 1.0 at this time. Export your movie to FP1 and it will works great. Can you even do that with recent Flash versions? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
William Chadwick wrote: Apple's decision is irritating, but they're going to loose out. Apple is the one who will suffer. They are suffering so badly the appstore is empty, nobody buys iPhones and revenue is tiny.. ..I don't think so. Jobs did a smart thing keeping flash off the iPhone. I really can't imagine why he isn't a Flash supporter.. Apple is raking the money in via the AppStore. William Chadwick On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Bob Wohl bob.w...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's written with AS but not compiled to flash. It's all smoke and mirrors. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Gustavo Duenas gdue...@leftandrightsolutions.com wrote: I don't get it, it says that ipad wouldn't support flash player, but recently I read on adobe labs that there is possible in cs5 to make app (flash based) for iphone, then is not the same system? gus On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote: Gerry wrote: Flash Player 1. I emailed Tobias and he replied... Sorry, but Gordon supports only SWF version 1.0 at this time. Export your movie to FP1 and it will works great. Can you even do that with recent Flash versions? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Now this is interesting too. Wired, through their 'Top Stories' feed ( http://feeds.wired.com/wired/index ) say this: A Swiss startup has created a sleek video player that looks like Flash Player and works in multiple browsers, but uses only HTML5 and web standards. They then link to a Webmonkey article: http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/SublimeVideo_Hopes_to_Simplify_HTML5_Web_Video Which give s a pretty fair round-up of the current issues with video in HTML5. But still, Wired are singing the praises of this barely viable solution. So yes, Wired do seem to hate Flash... P ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Paul, If I remember correctly, Apple is the little company that has the Mac- it's like a PC only expensive and the software you use probably doesn't work on it. Apple had a good thing way back when and they decided not to let other companies build their hardware. Now they have a hobby market for their machine. They are trying to do the same thing with their phones. They have a great product. But they are attempting to control their market with a straitjacket. These tactics will marginalize their new device to a smaller religiously devoted following- just as happened with the Mac. Which is probably why Apple's cell phone ...market share fell from 18.1% in the third quarter to 16.6% ( http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i5b66cf41076535513394892bc43fb243 ) They are making good money- I wouldn't mind making that much money, but they could be even bigger. William On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Paul Andrews p...@ipauland.com wrote: William Chadwick wrote: Apple's decision is irritating, but they're going to loose out. Apple is the one who will suffer. They are suffering so badly the appstore is empty, nobody buys iPhones and revenue is tiny.. ..I don't think so. Jobs did a smart thing keeping flash off the iPhone. I really can't imagine why he isn't a Flash supporter.. Apple is raking the money in via the AppStore. William Chadwick On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Bob Wohl bob.w...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's written with AS but not compiled to flash. It's all smoke and mirrors. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Gustavo Duenas gdue...@leftandrightsolutions.com wrote: I don't get it, it says that ipad wouldn't support flash player, but recently I read on adobe labs that there is possible in cs5 to make app (flash based) for iphone, then is not the same system? gus On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote: Gerry wrote: Flash Player 1. I emailed Tobias and he replied... Sorry, but Gordon supports only SWF version 1.0 at this time. Export your movie to FP1 and it will works great. Can you even do that with recent Flash versions? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I've been digging through the code and trying to build my own examples. Does anyone have info on gordon as far as targeted FP version? -Gerry On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Merrill, Jason wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I got nothing on IE8 either. gregb -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Merrill, Jason Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:59 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I looked into it last night. It only handles frame based animation. oh well. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
http://wiki.github.com/tobeytailor/gordon/swf-tag-support-table http://wiki.github.com/tobeytailor/gordon/browser-support-table The guy is probably a genius, but Gordon is nowhere near feasible for anything other than displaying some animated vectors. Zeh On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Gerry noentour...@gmail.com wrote: I've been digging through the code and trying to build my own examples. Does anyone have info on gordon as far as targeted FP version? -Gerry On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Merrill, Jason wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I guess what's the point then? Just displaying cartoons so people don't have to use the Flash player? Impressive technically, but nothing to be too excited about regarding feasibility I suppose. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Carl Welch Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:19 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I looked into it last night. It only handles frame based animation. oh well. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
No point. It's an interesting experiment I'm quite sure. But I guess in a world where people are impressed by acronyms being thrown around without regard for accuracy or fact-checking, it fits the bill perfectly. Suddenly parsing a SWF format means supporting Flash 99.9%, as much as other technology plays videos means Flash is dead. etc. Zeh On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I guess what's the point then? Just displaying cartoons so people don't have to use the Flash player? Impressive technically, but nothing to be too excited about regarding feasibility I suppose. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Carl Welch Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:19 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I looked into it last night. It only handles frame based animation. oh well. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I have to agree - seems much more likely that someone will develop a animator-friendly UI comparable to Flash CSx that exports, for example, HTML5 content, than a successful version of this plugin replacement (and all of potential incompatibilities). -jonathan On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I guess what's the point then? Just displaying cartoons so people don't have to use the Flash player? Impressive technically, but nothing to be too excited about regarding feasibility I suppose. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Carl Welch Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:19 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I looked into it last night. It only handles frame based animation. oh well. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- -jonathan howe ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Suddenly parsing a SWF format means supporting Flash 99.9%, as much as other technology plays videos means Flash is dead. Ha - so true! I'm sick of all the HTML 5 will kill Flash talk that only refers to video capabilities of each. True that Flash has thrived by providing most of the video content on the web these days, but it just makes people look shallow and naïve when they use video as the reason Flash will die. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Zeh Fernando Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:40 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash No point. It's an interesting experiment I'm quite sure. But I guess in a world where people are impressed by acronyms being thrown around without regard for accuracy or fact-checking, it fits the bill perfectly. Suddenly parsing a SWF format means supporting Flash 99.9%, as much as other technology plays videos means Flash is dead. etc. Zeh On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I guess what's the point then? Just displaying cartoons so people don't have to use the Flash player? Impressive technically, but nothing to be too excited about regarding feasibility I suppose. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Carl Welch Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:19 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I looked into it last night. It only handles frame based animation. oh well. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
excellent article on HTML5, Flash and reality. http://bit.ly/94r6Bc On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: Suddenly parsing a SWF format means supporting Flash 99.9%, as much as other technology plays videos means Flash is dead. Ha - so true! I'm sick of all the HTML 5 will kill Flash talk that only refers to video capabilities of each. True that Flash has thrived by providing most of the video content on the web these days, but it just makes people look shallow and naïve when they use video as the reason Flash will die. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Zeh Fernando Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:40 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash No point. It's an interesting experiment I'm quite sure. But I guess in a world where people are impressed by acronyms being thrown around without regard for accuracy or fact-checking, it fits the bill perfectly. Suddenly parsing a SWF format means supporting Flash 99.9%, as much as other technology plays videos means Flash is dead. etc. Zeh On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I guess what's the point then? Just displaying cartoons so people don't have to use the Flash player? Impressive technically, but nothing to be too excited about regarding feasibility I suppose. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Carl Welch Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:19 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I looked into it last night. It only handles frame based animation. oh well. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I am sure it handles sockets really well :) Someone should try it with the PV3D starwars demo ;) Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I've tried every kind of tween and various flash player exports but still can't get this Gordon work. FP6 AS1 FP 7 AS1 FP8 AS1 AS2 FP9 AS2 AS3 FP10 AS2 AS3 I've checked my chmod settings on the files, still no dice. I love the lack of documentation regarding the exporting of the swf and what you can/cannot do as far as player version and actionscript. (sarcasm) Oh well, I tried. -G On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Merrill, Jason wrote: Suddenly parsing a SWF format means supporting Flash 99.9%, as much as other technology plays videos means Flash is dead. Ha - so true! I'm sick of all the HTML 5 will kill Flash talk that only refers to video capabilities of each. True that Flash has thrived by providing most of the video content on the web these days, but it just makes people look shallow and naïve when they use video as the reason Flash will die. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Zeh Fernando Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:40 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash No point. It's an interesting experiment I'm quite sure. But I guess in a world where people are impressed by acronyms being thrown around without regard for accuracy or fact-checking, it fits the bill perfectly. Suddenly parsing a SWF format means supporting Flash 99.9%, as much as other technology plays videos means Flash is dead. etc. Zeh On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I guess what's the point then? Just displaying cartoons so people don't have to use the Flash player? Impressive technically, but nothing to be too excited about regarding feasibility I suppose. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Carl Welch Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:19 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I looked into it last night. It only handles frame based animation. oh well. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Yeah it's not worth it. It's neat but you can only use swf's exported as FP1 in order for them to show on the iPhone. -G On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Zeh Fernando wrote: No point. It's an interesting experiment I'm quite sure. But I guess in a world where people are impressed by acronyms being thrown around without regard for accuracy or fact-checking, it fits the bill perfectly. Suddenly parsing a SWF format means supporting Flash 99.9%, as much as other technology plays videos means Flash is dead. etc. Zeh On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I guess what's the point then? Just displaying cartoons so people don't have to use the Flash player? Impressive technically, but nothing to be too excited about regarding feasibility I suppose. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Carl Welch Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:19 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I looked into it last night. It only handles frame based animation. oh well. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
you can only use swf's exported as FP1 in order for them to show on the iPhone. FP1?! Or do you mean AVM1? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:15 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash Yeah it's not worth it. It's neat but you can only use swf's exported as FP1 in order for them to show on the iPhone. -G On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Zeh Fernando wrote: No point. It's an interesting experiment I'm quite sure. But I guess in a world where people are impressed by acronyms being thrown around without regard for accuracy or fact-checking, it fits the bill perfectly. Suddenly parsing a SWF format means supporting Flash 99.9%, as much as other technology plays videos means Flash is dead. etc. Zeh On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I guess what's the point then? Just displaying cartoons so people don't have to use the Flash player? Impressive technically, but nothing to be too excited about regarding feasibility I suppose. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Carl Welch Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:19 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I looked into it last night. It only handles frame based animation. oh well. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
All I have to say is, show me right now a working HTML 5 page that can do even half of what I did in Flash last year, in the browser of my choice. That is all, Mr. Jobs. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Flash Player 1. I emailed Tobias and he replied... Hi Gerry! Sorry, but Gordon supports only SWF version 1.0 at this time. Export your movie to FP1 and it will works great. Tobi On Feb 1, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote: you can only use swf's exported as FP1 in order for them to show on the iPhone. FP1?! Or do you mean AVM1? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:15 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash Yeah it's not worth it. It's neat but you can only use swf's exported as FP1 in order for them to show on the iPhone. -G On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Zeh Fernando wrote: No point. It's an interesting experiment I'm quite sure. But I guess in a world where people are impressed by acronyms being thrown around without regard for accuracy or fact-checking, it fits the bill perfectly. Suddenly parsing a SWF format means supporting Flash 99.9%, as much as other technology plays videos means Flash is dead. etc. Zeh On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I guess what's the point then? Just displaying cartoons so people don't have to use the Flash player? Impressive technically, but nothing to be too excited about regarding feasibility I suppose. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Carl Welch Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:19 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I looked into it last night. It only handles frame based animation. oh well. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Wow. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 3:01 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash Flash Player 1. I emailed Tobias and he replied... Hi Gerry! Sorry, but Gordon supports only SWF version 1.0 at this time. Export your movie to FP1 and it will works great. Tobi On Feb 1, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote: you can only use swf's exported as FP1 in order for them to show on the iPhone. FP1?! Or do you mean AVM1? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:15 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash Yeah it's not worth it. It's neat but you can only use swf's exported as FP1 in order for them to show on the iPhone. -G On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Zeh Fernando wrote: No point. It's an interesting experiment I'm quite sure. But I guess in a world where people are impressed by acronyms being thrown around without regard for accuracy or fact-checking, it fits the bill perfectly. Suddenly parsing a SWF format means supporting Flash 99.9%, as much as other technology plays videos means Flash is dead. etc. Zeh On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I guess what's the point then? Just displaying cartoons so people don't have to use the Flash player? Impressive technically, but nothing to be too excited about regarding feasibility I suppose. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Carl Welch Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:19 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I looked into it last night. It only handles frame based animation. oh well. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ None of those samples worked for me on IE7. It's a great idea ,but I guess I'm skeptical of any Javascript engine being able to fully replicate all or even most the features of the Flash player. At least enough to have widespread adoption. Do you know what percentage of Flash player 10 features this is supposed to be able to handle? Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Gerry wrote: Flash Player 1. I emailed Tobias and he replied... Sorry, but Gordon supports only SWF version 1.0 at this time. Export your movie to FP1 and it will works great. Can you even do that with recent Flash versions? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Yes. On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote: Gerry wrote: Flash Player 1. I emailed Tobias and he replied... Sorry, but Gordon supports only SWF version 1.0 at this time. Export your movie to FP1 and it will works great. Can you even do that with recent Flash versions? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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I don't get it, it says that ipad wouldn't support flash player, but recently I read on adobe labs that there is possible in cs5 to make app (flash based) for iphone, then is not the same system? gus On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote: Gerry wrote: Flash Player 1. I emailed Tobias and he replied... Sorry, but Gordon supports only SWF version 1.0 at this time. Export your movie to FP1 and it will works great. Can you even do that with recent Flash versions? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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THe CS5 apps for iPhone are not flash based, they are converted to iPhone code. (i guess) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
This means it's the ability to port your Flash/Actionscript code over from a Flash project to the iPhone/iTouch/iPad's OS as an app. It's not a .swf that runs in the Flash player and it won't run inside the Safari browser on an iTouch/iPhone/iPad. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Gustavo Duenas Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:08 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I don't get it, it says that ipad wouldn't support flash player, but recently I read on adobe labs that there is possible in cs5 to make app (flash based) for iphone, then is not the same system? gus On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote: Gerry wrote: Flash Player 1. I emailed Tobias and he replied... Sorry, but Gordon supports only SWF version 1.0 at this time. Export your movie to FP1 and it will works great. Can you even do that with recent Flash versions? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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No, it's written with AS but not compiled to flash. It's all smoke and mirrors. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Gustavo Duenas gdue...@leftandrightsolutions.com wrote: I don't get it, it says that ipad wouldn't support flash player, but recently I read on adobe labs that there is possible in cs5 to make app (flash based) for iphone, then is not the same system? gus On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote: Gerry wrote: Flash Player 1. I emailed Tobias and he replied... Sorry, but Gordon supports only SWF version 1.0 at this time. Export your movie to FP1 and it will works great. Can you even do that with recent Flash versions? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Apple's decision is irritating, but they're going to loose out. Apple is the one who will suffer. William Chadwick On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Bob Wohl bob.w...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's written with AS but not compiled to flash. It's all smoke and mirrors. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Gustavo Duenas gdue...@leftandrightsolutions.com wrote: I don't get it, it says that ipad wouldn't support flash player, but recently I read on adobe labs that there is possible in cs5 to make app (flash based) for iphone, then is not the same system? gus On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote: Gerry wrote: Flash Player 1. I emailed Tobias and he replied... Sorry, but Gordon supports only SWF version 1.0 at this time. Export your movie to FP1 and it will works great. Can you even do that with recent Flash versions? ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Carl Welch a écrit : This pic perfectly illustrates the Flash-less browsing experience on the iPad: http://theflashblog.com/images/ipud.jpg despite the file's name, this is safe for work (this is the one place the swf acronym may have caused confusion). I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ OPENED FOR GOOD SAKE!! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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OMG! My faith in humanity has been restored! Thanks!!! On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Laurent Kappler laur...@logiquefloue.org wrote: Carl Welch a écrit : This pic perfectly illustrates the Flash-less browsing experience on the iPad: http://theflashblog.com/images/ipud.jpg despite the file's name, this is safe for work (this is the one place the swf acronym may have caused confusion). I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ OPENED FOR GOOD SAKE!! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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do we know what kind of functionality they're up to? i'd heard fp1 and no as but that was a couple of weeks ago and i don't know how seriously they're working on this a On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Carl Welch carlwelchdes...@gmail.comwrote: OMG! My faith in humanity has been restored! Thanks!!! On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Laurent Kappler laur...@logiquefloue.org wrote: Carl Welch a écrit : This pic perfectly illustrates the Flash-less browsing experience on the iPad: http://theflashblog.com/images/ipud.jpg despite the file's name, this is safe for work (this is the one place the swf acronym may have caused confusion). I think apple store and adobe flash have big chance to be flipfloped anyway: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ OPENED FOR GOOD SAKE!! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com 805.403.4819 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Angela: That is a great suggestion. Normally a client will ask for detection, but some will opt to allow the user to choose which version as browsers false report and failing gracefully doesn't always work. eg. Which version (plain html with javascript employing hacks to make it work with each browser, or fun and flashy)? So in this case, why not state something similar to what Angela suggested? if they choose flash, give a link to Apples complaint e-mail and government consumer affair websites where users can publicly register complaints. On 1/29/2010 8:29 AM, Angela Ferraiolo wrote: We could be more active. Rather than show the blue logo, we could substitute a message that reads Steve Jobs won't let you see this. Please go to the iTunes store and pay him for something to watch. Right now we are simply wasting our message opportunity. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Christian Pugliesepugli...@gmail.com wrote: Lee Brimelow has a fantastic post about this: http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03, arturar...@artur.com wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
This pic perfectly illustrates the Flash-less browsing experience on the iPad: http://theflashblog.com/images/ipud.jpg despite the file's name, this is safe for work (this is the one place the swf acronym may have caused confusion). -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Anthony Pace anthony.p...@utoronto.ca wrote: Angela: That is a great suggestion. Normally a client will ask for detection, but some will opt to allow the user to choose which version as browsers false report and failing gracefully doesn't always work. eg. Which version (plain html with javascript employing hacks to make it work with each browser, or fun and flashy)? So in this case, why not state something similar to what Angela suggested? if they choose flash, give a link to Apples complaint e-mail and government consumer affair websites where users can publicly register complaints. On 1/29/2010 8:29 AM, Angela Ferraiolo wrote: We could be more active. Rather than show the blue logo, we could substitute a message that reads Steve Jobs won't let you see this. Please go to the iTunes store and pay him for something to watch. Right now we are simply wasting our message opportunity. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Christian Pugliesepugli...@gmail.com wrote: Lee Brimelow has a fantastic post about this: http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03, arturar...@artur.com wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
/i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Lee Brimelow has a fantastic post about this: http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03, artur ar...@artur.com wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
We could be more active. Rather than show the blue logo, we could substitute a message that reads Steve Jobs won't let you see this. Please go to the iTunes store and pay him for something to watch. Right now we are simply wasting our message opportunity. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Christian Pugliese pugli...@gmail.com wrote: Lee Brimelow has a fantastic post about this: http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03, artur ar...@artur.com wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I think Wired doesn't like Flash because it's not the next big thing. Their mission is ultimately to promote technical innovations (and to lesser extend openness), and Flash is perceived as entrenched. If the iPad is broadly adopted, content providers like the NYT will move away from Flash content. Another possibility is that Adobe will respond to criticism by fixing the cited problems with Flash. Working for a small, concept-driven software company with limited resources, I've long appreciated platforms that let me code narrowly and deliver broadly. In the early days this platform was Director and today it's Flash. I'd love to be able to explore what the next decade will bring, but I'm too busy working artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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lol, fantastic idea angela! alternative Jobs content ahah. great comment on theFlashBlog piece about the impossibility of doing nearly any site on FWA in HTML5. even gmail uses flash for some refinements to the interface... On 29 January 2010 14:29, Angela Ferraiolo aferrai...@gmail.com wrote: We could be more active. Rather than show the blue logo, we could substitute a message that reads Steve Jobs won't let you see this. Please go to the iTunes store and pay him for something to watch. Right now we are simply wasting our message opportunity. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Christian Pugliese pugli...@gmail.com wrote: Lee Brimelow has a fantastic post about this: http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03, artur ar...@artur.com wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
If the browser an open source one you can change the logo :) Angela Ferraiolo wrote: We could be more active. Rather than show the blue logo, we could substitute a message that reads Steve Jobs won't let you see this. Please go to the iTunes store and pay him for something to watch. Right now we are simply wasting our message opportunity. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Christian Pugliese pugli...@gmail.com wrote: Lee Brimelow has a fantastic post about this: http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03, artur ar...@artur.com wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I think the real fact is money. If apple allows flash on iPad/iPhone, can you imagine how many AppStore games/apps would be unnecessary because you'd have it online in flash. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:40, Glen Pike g...@engineeredarts.co.uk wrote: If the browser an open source one you can change the logo :) Angela Ferraiolo wrote: We could be more active. Rather than show the blue logo, we could substitute a message that reads Steve Jobs won't let you see this. Please go to the iTunes store and pay him for something to watch. Right now we are simply wasting our message opportunity. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Christian Pugliese pugli...@gmail.com wrote: Lee Brimelow has a fantastic post about this: http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03, artur ar...@artur.com wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. -a ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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So, what about iPhone and CS5 ? Isn't going to be the same path with iPad and just matter of time ? g Friday, January 29, 2010 (2:53:24 PM) artur wrote: i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. -a ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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If flash worked, the ipad would circunvent the apple app store... And that won't happen. Ever. ;) On 29-01-2010 13:03, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Im just waiting for someone to build an app that runs flash and lets get this over with. Is there no way to create a mini os that would just run the flash player in an native iphone app? The app would be the mini os? Hell they have a mini mac os emulator out there already... Any thoughts? Karl On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:27 AM, kinda...@gmail.com wrote: If flash worked, the ipad would circunvent the apple app store... And that won't happen. Ever. ;) On 29-01-2010 13:03, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the- ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H. 264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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So the iPad's priority is to be an apple store kiosk? Doesn't sound very promising. John kinda...@gmail.com wrote: If flash worked, the ipad would circunvent the apple app store... And that won't happen. Ever. ;) On 29-01-2010 13:03, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
The current market penetration of iPad users is 0.0%. If potential users of this device make up a significant part of your client's target demographic, it might be worthwhile to pick up a bit of Objective-C/iPhone SDK experience. Unlike the time leading up to the release of the first iPhone, there is a wealth of resources to draw on to accelerate your learning curve - books, sites, video, etc. I would bet you could get a basic app up and running fairly quickly. As developers, we cannot expect Flash to last forever. Ask anyone that remembers the salad days of our friend, Macromedia Director, now firmly in the Authorwared category on Adobe's website. - Allan Allan Evansal...@lingo-slingers.org Multimedia Production and Programming Rochester NY and Chicago, for now. No matter where you go, there you are. - BB On Jan 29, 2010, at 7:53 AM, artur wrote: i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. -a ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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I'm waiting for Apple to be sued by the Lego company for the use of the little blue missing component icon. Seriously though, the argument tires on me when people cite video capabilities in HTML 5 will mean the demise of Flash, but those people never mention the fact that flash is so much more than just a great video experience. Sometimes it seems like people think video is the only thing Flash is used for. On a separate note, I'm really not hopeful we'll ever see Flash (or Silverlight) on the iPhone/iTouch or iPad and that's unfortunate. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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There's Flash Player written in Javascript (Gordon) - it's not deployable yet but there's a hope ;) -- Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ On 29 January 2010 14:53, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I'm waiting for Apple to be sued by the Lego company for the use of the little blue missing component icon. Seriously though, the argument tires on me when people cite video capabilities in HTML 5 will mean the demise of Flash, but those people never mention the fact that flash is so much more than just a great video experience. Sometimes it seems like people think video is the only thing Flash is used for. On a separate note, I'm really not hopeful we'll ever see Flash (or Silverlight) on the iPhone/iTouch or iPad and that's unfortunate. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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On a separate note, I'm really not hopeful we'll ever see Flash (or Silverlight) on the iPhone/iTouch or iPad and that's unfortunate. Not commercially, but people love a challenge, so someone will get it running... I am disappointed by the iPad - I heard a couple of years ago that Apple were developing a tablet type PC and I was quite excited by the prospect of having a truly adaptable computer that I could sketch, ruminate, write code spikes, watch videos / dvds and connect up to my stuff when I got home so I could download all the things I had created when I was inspired and not let the interface get in the way. This was going to be the first time that Apple made something to justify their price tags. Well, bx to that, I am waiting for something else that is actually more useful that a digital picture frame for Apple's choice of content. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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2010/1/29 Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com Sometimes it seems like people think video is the only thing Flash is used for. HTML5 also is not only video. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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-Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com on behalf of Julio Protzek Sent: Fri 1/29/2010 9:26 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash 2010/1/29 Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com Sometimes it seems like people think video is the only thing Flash is used for. HTML5 also is not only video. I've wondered if a future iteration of Flash will take that into account and give us an Export as HTML 5 button :-) Brian Mays ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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HTML5 also is not only video. I know that Julio. I never said that. What I said was people talk about HTML 5 vs. Flash in context of video as the main argument for Flash going away. people cite video capabilities in HTML 5 will mean the demise of Flash Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Yeah, since it's based on the iPhone OS, it won't run apps like Photoshop right? A bigger and slightly more capable iTouch, blah - yeah, not very exciting. I thought they would give it the capabilities of the Mac OS X or at least OSX lite or something. Besides a feminine product, iPad also sounds too much like iPod - one letter different, I thought their marketing and legal departments could come up with something more savvy than that. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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I've wondered if a future iteration of Flash will take that into account and give us an Export as HTML 5 button :-) Brian Mays ___ More likely an Apple publish template with QuiickTime Movie, iPhone App and HTML 5 buttons + a price doubler option. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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apple will be the closed tablet / smartphone that will never have flash. ever. look out for the android / windows clones that will run flash. apple will do to it's hand-held appliance marketshare what it has done to it's computer marketshare - piss off enough devs that they start talking up the other platforms until they overtake apples marketshare based on sheer amount of software / hardware. Apple won't care because they will be left with a core of hardened fanboys who will buy anything that apple puts out i know - i'm an old mac guy (still am to a point) but since i've become a full-time developer i have become more and more jaded with the closed option a On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Glen Pike g...@engineeredarts.co.ukwrote: I've wondered if a future iteration of Flash will take that into account and give us an Export as HTML 5 button :-) Brian Mays ___ More likely an Apple publish template with QuiickTime Movie, iPhone App and HTML 5 buttons + a price doubler option. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Regarding learning Objective-C iPhone SDK, we already have a path coming via CS5 to get Flash - iPxxx App. The contested space is the browser, not the app. -jonathan On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) alla...@gmail.com wrote: apple will be the closed tablet / smartphone that will never have flash. ever. look out for the android / windows clones that will run flash. apple will do to it's hand-held appliance marketshare what it has done to it's computer marketshare - piss off enough devs that they start talking up the other platforms until they overtake apples marketshare based on sheer amount of software / hardware. Apple won't care because they will be left with a core of hardened fanboys who will buy anything that apple puts out i know - i'm an old mac guy (still am to a point) but since i've become a full-time developer i have become more and more jaded with the closed option a On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Glen Pike g...@engineeredarts.co.uk wrote: I've wondered if a future iteration of Flash will take that into account and give us an Export as HTML 5 button :-) Brian Mays ___ More likely an Apple publish template with QuiickTime Movie, iPhone App and HTML 5 buttons + a price doubler option. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- -jonathan howe ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. Well, I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it filth. There's an underlying statement of fact in it, which is that Apple is unlikely to allow iPhone/iPod/iPad/Max iPad/etc to run Flash (or Silverlight for that matter) because they can't control them through the App Store. There is no technical obstacle to them supporting Flash today - lots of other devices run Flash nicely. So, this is an issue which should concern them whether they're technically savvy or not. That said, I don't think that this should stop most people from using Flash wherever they're currently planning to use it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware. The competition in that space at CES is staggering, likely cheaper, and mostly based on Android. Apple isn't going to win this market, so I'm not worried about it. Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:03 AM, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware what's this based on? it looks pretty slick to me, for what it is On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Kevin Newman capta...@unfocus.com wrote: The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware. The competition in that space at CES is staggering, likely cheaper, and mostly based on Android. Apple isn't going to win this market, so I'm not worried about it. Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:03 AM, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Jason Merrill wrote: Besides a feminine product, iPad also sounds too much like iPod Ah, you saw that Mad TV skit 4-5 years back, too ^_^ For those that missed it, a few years back, while Apple was flogging the iPod really hard, Mad TV had a iPad skit. It was a spoof on a cross between an iPod and a feminine hygiene product, complete with the dancing silhouette. And, a little OT, if you saw Jobs announcing the iPad, did you think he looked rather haggard? I understand he's been battling pancreatic cancer. It would be a shame to lose one of the great creative entrepreneurs of the 20th/21st centuries. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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The case is easy: 1. It's more expensive to do the same amount of app development with HTML/Canvas/SVG - because of all the hacks you need (more dev hours). 2. It won't work in every browser the same way - if at all in some browsers. 3. It will probably not be as polished, though it may load faster on initial load (critical concern in some areas). 4. The browser with the biggest market share still does not support most of HTML5, and will not support enough of it any time soon, to make certain things even possible - and is expensive to develop for. 5. HTML apps will not currently scale as well as Flash/Flex RIAs will, when they start to get robust. All this HTML 5 talk is getting obnoxious - how long before the industry remembers why we are all on Flash to begin with? Now, if you are able to target HTML5 exclusively (iPad/iPhone exclusive web app), heck just take the work. ;-) Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:53 AM, artur wrote: i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. -a ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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It doesn't meet the needs for the demands that the Apple users have asked for. Its just an overgrown iPod touch with iBook, iWork, and iPhoto. Yeah it looks cool, but still no flash support and if you want to use 3G, you are stuck with ATT. Nathan Mynarcik Interactive Web Developer nat...@mynarcik.com 254.749.2525 www.mynarcik.com -Original Message- From: allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) alla...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:53:31 To: Flash Coders Listflashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware what's this based on? it looks pretty slick to me, for what it is On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Kevin Newman capta...@unfocus.com wrote: The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware. The competition in that space at CES is staggering, likely cheaper, and mostly based on Android. Apple isn't going to win this market, so I'm not worried about it. Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:03 AM, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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I think there's a good market for it as a consumer device. My wife would do well with one. She can watch movies, check her email, do her facebooking. It's a good portable movie player for our son. It's a good ebook reader for me and the wife. And a few other small things as well. I don't think of it as a computer, more a device consolidating things that I would be buying 3 or more devices for. Brian Mays -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com on behalf of Nathan Mynarcik Sent: Fri 1/29/2010 12:17 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash It doesn't meet the needs for the demands that the Apple users have asked for. Its just an overgrown iPod touch with iBook, iWork, and iPhoto. Yeah it looks cool, but still no flash support and if you want to use 3G, you are stuck with ATT. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Its definitely not as magical as Apple is trying to say it is though... Nathan Mynarcik Interactive Web Developer nat...@mynarcik.com 254.749.2525 www.mynarcik.com -Original Message- From: Brian Mays bm...@newsok.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:39:42 To: nat...@mynarcik.com; Flash Coders Listflashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I think there's a good market for it as a consumer device. My wife would do well with one. She can watch movies, check her email, do her facebooking. It's a good portable movie player for our son. It's a good ebook reader for me and the wife. And a few other small things as well. I don't think of it as a computer, more a device consolidating things that I would be buying 3 or more devices for. Brian Mays -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com on behalf of Nathan Mynarcik Sent: Fri 1/29/2010 12:17 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash It doesn't meet the needs for the demands that the Apple users have asked for. Its just an overgrown iPod touch with iBook, iWork, and iPhoto. Yeah it looks cool, but still no flash support and if you want to use 3G, you are stuck with ATT. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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I think you have a great argument there Carl. Drunk OR sober. Nathan Mynarcik Interactive Web Developer nat...@mynarcik.com 254.749.2525 www.mynarcik.com -Original Message- From: Carl Welch carlwelchdes...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:38:45 To: Flash Coders Listflashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I personally have been getting more and more upset about apple's stance on Flash. I feel the reason Apple's market share has increased especially in the corporate environment is because designers and flash developers have been evangelizing macs since day one. I feel like its a slap in the face to the people that cheered them on the most. this thought sounded better when I was drunk last night :P -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kevin Newman capta...@unfocus.com wrote: The case is easy: 1. It's more expensive to do the same amount of app development with HTML/Canvas/SVG - because of all the hacks you need (more dev hours). 2. It won't work in every browser the same way - if at all in some browsers. 3. It will probably not be as polished, though it may load faster on initial load (critical concern in some areas). 4. The browser with the biggest market share still does not support most of HTML5, and will not support enough of it any time soon, to make certain things even possible - and is expensive to develop for. 5. HTML apps will not currently scale as well as Flash/Flex RIAs will, when they start to get robust. All this HTML 5 talk is getting obnoxious - how long before the industry remembers why we are all on Flash to begin with? Now, if you are able to target HTML5 exclusively (iPad/iPhone exclusive web app), heck just take the work. ;-) Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:53 AM, artur wrote: i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. -a ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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I personally have been getting more and more upset about apple's stance on Flash. I feel the reason Apple's market share has increased especially in the corporate environment is because designers and flash developers have been evangelizing macs since day one. I feel like its a slap in the face to the people that cheered them on the most. this thought sounded better when I was drunk last night :P -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kevin Newman capta...@unfocus.com wrote: The case is easy: 1. It's more expensive to do the same amount of app development with HTML/Canvas/SVG - because of all the hacks you need (more dev hours). 2. It won't work in every browser the same way - if at all in some browsers. 3. It will probably not be as polished, though it may load faster on initial load (critical concern in some areas). 4. The browser with the biggest market share still does not support most of HTML5, and will not support enough of it any time soon, to make certain things even possible - and is expensive to develop for. 5. HTML apps will not currently scale as well as Flash/Flex RIAs will, when they start to get robust. All this HTML 5 talk is getting obnoxious - how long before the industry remembers why we are all on Flash to begin with? Now, if you are able to target HTML5 exclusively (iPad/iPhone exclusive web app), heck just take the work. ;-) Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:53 AM, artur wrote: i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. -a ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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This below I think is true. I don't think this is about innovation. People who want innovation don't sell closed platform devices. This is about money and about shutting down self-taught programmers. Why do we evangelize Apple/Mac? How is money really being made here? Why do the the device and platform builders get it all? After telling content providers to be open source and give away their work, what did the creators of the youtube platform do with the billions they made? Did they open source their profits? People hate flash because a high school student can make an app in flash. It makes content important. This drives them crazy. And as for the open source argument, how can anyone preach open source with an iPhone or iPad in their hand? Is this satire? Or is this yet another plan to put billions in the bank with someone else's content? There are legitimate criticisms of flash, but there are also liars, thieves, and high priests of code who don't want joe programmer in the temple. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Carl Welch carlwelchdes...@gmail.com wrote: I personally have been getting more and more upset about apple's stance on Flash. I feel the reason Apple's market share has increased especially in the corporate environment is because designers and flash developers have been evangelizing macs since day one. I feel like its a slap in the face to the people that cheered them on the most. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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This is about money and about shutting down self-taught programmers. I do think it's all about money, but it's not about shutting anyone down (though in some extreme cases that may be a tactic to make money). In the end, it's all about money. Doesn't really matter what developers or environmentalists or the government or even consumers want, it's all about what tactics and products will bring in the most revenue to a company without getting sued. This is the way it always has been and always will be until we're living in the Trek universe and we've figured out economics and money is not an issue anymore for anyone (but that will never happen). Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Yes, I agree. But the end effect of keeping flash off a platform is that you have also kept off a lot of creativity, especially the creativity of ordinary people. Now, you can say you didn't mean to do that, but in the end that's for sure what you're doing. You're saying to a certain group of people, your work can't be here. Ironically, they are the kind of people you might feature in your advertising campaigns, and the kind of people who buy -- or don't buy -- your hip, cool products. There used to be a saying if you can't work there, don't shop there. (yep, i'm typing this on a mac!) On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: This is about money and about shutting down self-taught programmers. I do think it's all about money, but it's not about shutting anyone down (though in some extreme cases that may be a tactic to make money). In the end, it's all about money. Doesn't really matter what developers or environmentalists or the government or even consumers want, it's all about what tactics and products will bring in the most revenue to a company without getting sued. This is the way it always has been and always will be until we're living in the Trek universe and we've figured out economics and money is not an issue anymore for anyone (but that will never happen). Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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It's based on my estimate of Apple's usual slick product launches. This one by comparisons is full of mistakes, and half finished looking components, like the ugly unlock screen, and tiny app launch icons - as well as the lack of an original background behind the icons (looks an aweful lot like Android). That combined with a less than accurate SDK, which they would normally have pretty clean and proper. They did pull it together enough for a demo, but it's not up to Apple's standards. Kevin N. On 1/29/10 12:53 PM, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) wrote: The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware what's this based on? it looks pretty slick to me, for what it is On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Kevin Newmancapta...@unfocus.com wrote: The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware. The competition in that space at CES is staggering, likely cheaper, and mostly based on Android. Apple isn't going to win this market, so I'm not worried about it. Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:03 AM, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
