Re: [Flashcoders] :: anyone passed flash 8 certification exam?::

2006-12-11 Thread Orindom Dhar
hi flashsaavy,
   
  Thanks for ur inputs.
   
  Arin

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  arin,

i recently sat and passed the Flash 8 Certification exam.

i had previously passed the Developer cert for both Flash MX and MX 2004. i had 
never sat the Designer cert.

my impression is that the Flash 8 Certification exam IS a Developer exam. my 
guess is that to pass the Flash 8 certification, you have to know ActionScript.

mind you, when you sit the exam you might end up with a completely different 
set of questions. my guess is that they have hundreds of questions, of which 
you will have to answer 70. passing grade is 70%, meaning you have to get 49+ 
correct to pass. and you have 75 minutes to complete the exam.

yeah, the test prep materials for the Flash 8 Cert suck.

but ...

here are some things you definitely should do:
-- sample questions that download with the PDF at Adobe.com with the info about 
the Flash 8 exam
http://partners.adobe.com/public/en/ace/ACE_Exam_Guide_Flash_8.pdf
-- sample question that download with the PDF at Adobe.com with the info about 
the Flash MX 2004 Developer exam
www.adobe.com/support/training/certified_professional_program/flmx2004_dev_sample.pdf
-- sample question that download with the PDF at Adobe.com with the info about 
the Flash MX 2004 Designer exam
www.adobe.com/support/training/certified_professional_program/flmx2004_des_sample.pdf
-- know what is new with Flash 8. there are 1 hour of training videos on F8 new 
features here:
http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=170
and you can get a 24 hour free pass here:
http://www.lynda.com/freepass/24

beyond that, you can use some MX 2004 Developer study guide materials. tom 
kitta created a sample exam and put up a ton of his notes. you can find links 
to both here:
http://www.tomkitta.com/flash/index.cfm

and you can still get the MX 2004 Developer study guide book:
http://www.amazon.com/Macromedia-Flash-Certified-Developer-Study/dp/0321256026/

as i said earlier, you might end up with completely different questions than I 
did. following are 3 topics that I saw more than 1 question on:
-- LoadVars
-- Font outline embedding. defaults for static text, dynamic text, input text. 
etc.
-- Video. Video class. import formats supported.
-- Audio. Sound class. import formats supported.

one surprise for me was no questions related to components. v2 or otherwise. 
none. nada.

there were non-ActionScript questions. some related to the IDE. so maybe those 
came in from the Designer cert, or maybe not. things like publish profiles, 
bandwidth profiler, etc.

one last bit of advice, if you can afford to take it twice, the best way to 
find out what is on the exam is to take it. you definitely have to prep for the 
first time that you take the exam. in the event that you don't pass on the 
first go, you have to know enough to know what you didn't know. if that makes 
sense. so if you can afford the risk of taking the test a second time don't 
over agonize about it. prep, go, if you pass the first time excellent. if not, 
likely you will know exactly what you need to study up on to pass it with 
flying colors the second time around.

i hope this helps. please post back about your experience after you take the 
exam.

and anyone else who has taken the exam. please post your impressions too.

best of luck!

On 12/6/06, Orindom Dhar wrote:Hello,

Has anyone out there,cleared the flash 8 professional certification exam. If 
yes, could you please give some advice on how to prepare for it. Unlike 
previous flash certifications, in flash 8 they have combined the designer and 
developer and made it as one,its ridiculous! As a hardcore actionscripter I 
would have loved to skip the graphic designing part.Sigh!Also there is no clear 
cut blueprint from adobe for flash 8 cert exam.

Any help in this regard is highly appreciated.

regards,

Arin


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Re: [Flashcoders] :: anyone passed flash 8 certification exam?::

2006-12-11 Thread Eskil Janson

Hi,

If you are into actionscript, you should have no trouble with that part 
of the exam.
So fear not, I found it a lot easier than expected, but questions might 
differ of course.


/Eskil

Orindom Dhar skrev:

hi flashsaavy,
   
  Thanks for ur inputs.
   
  Arin


[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  arin,

i recently sat and passed the Flash 8 Certification exam.

i had previously passed the Developer cert for both Flash MX and MX 2004. i had 
never sat the Designer cert.

my impression is that the Flash 8 Certification exam IS a Developer exam. my 
guess is that to pass the Flash 8 certification, you have to know ActionScript.

mind you, when you sit the exam you might end up with a completely different 
set of questions. my guess is that they have hundreds of questions, of which 
you will have to answer 70. passing grade is 70%, meaning you have to get 49+ 
correct to pass. and you have 75 minutes to complete the exam.

yeah, the test prep materials for the Flash 8 Cert suck.

but ...

here are some things you definitely should do:
-- sample questions that download with the PDF at Adobe.com with the info about 
the Flash 8 exam
http://partners.adobe.com/public/en/ace/ACE_Exam_Guide_Flash_8.pdf
-- sample question that download with the PDF at Adobe.com with the info about 
the Flash MX 2004 Developer exam
www.adobe.com/support/training/certified_professional_program/flmx2004_dev_sample.pdf
-- sample question that download with the PDF at Adobe.com with the info about 
the Flash MX 2004 Designer exam
www.adobe.com/support/training/certified_professional_program/flmx2004_des_sample.pdf
-- know what is new with Flash 8. there are 1 hour of training videos on F8 new 
features here:
http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=170
and you can get a 24 hour free pass here:
http://www.lynda.com/freepass/24

beyond that, you can use some MX 2004 Developer study guide materials. tom 
kitta created a sample exam and put up a ton of his notes. you can find links 
to both here:
http://www.tomkitta.com/flash/index.cfm

and you can still get the MX 2004 Developer study guide book:
http://www.amazon.com/Macromedia-Flash-Certified-Developer-Study/dp/0321256026/

as i said earlier, you might end up with completely different questions than I 
did. following are 3 topics that I saw more than 1 question on:
-- LoadVars
-- Font outline embedding. defaults for static text, dynamic text, input text. 
etc.
-- Video. Video class. import formats supported.
-- Audio. Sound class. import formats supported.

one surprise for me was no questions related to components. v2 or otherwise. 
none. nada.

there were non-ActionScript questions. some related to the IDE. so maybe those came in 
from the Designer cert, or maybe not. things like publish profiles, bandwidth 
profiler, etc.

one last bit of advice, if you can afford to take it twice, the best way to 
find out what is on the exam is to take it. you definitely have to prep for the 
first time that you take the exam. in the event that you don't pass on the 
first go, you have to know enough to know what you didn't know. if that makes 
sense. so if you can afford the risk of taking the test a second time don't 
over agonize about it. prep, go, if you pass the first time excellent. if not, 
likely you will know exactly what you need to study up on to pass it with 
flying colors the second time around.

i hope this helps. please post back about your experience after you take the 
exam.

and anyone else who has taken the exam. please post your impressions too.

best of luck!

On 12/6/06, Orindom Dhar wrote:Hello,

Has anyone out there,cleared the flash 8 professional certification exam. If 
yes, could you please give some advice on how to prepare for it. Unlike 
previous flash certifications, in flash 8 they have combined the designer and 
developer and made it as one,its ridiculous! As a hardcore actionscripter I 
would have loved to skip the graphic designing part.Sigh!Also there is no clear 
cut blueprint from adobe for flash 8 cert exam.

Any help in this regard is highly appreciated.

regards,

Arin


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RE: [Flashcoders] :: anyone passed flash 8 certification exam?::

2006-12-11 Thread Steven Sacks | BLITZ
Flash 8 Certification Exam?  Srsly?  And you pay for it?  That's crazy
talk!  

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RE: [Flashcoders] :: anyone passed flash 8 certification exam?::

2006-12-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gee Steve,
   
  You normally are such a force for good in the world.  
   
  But that post on the Flash cert was harsh.
   
  I can understand why you wouldn't take the time of day to think about taking 
a cert exam.  But then why take the time to bash it?
   
  The cert thing is good.  Not evil.  You live near the epicenter of the Flash 
universe.  But not everybody does.  It is good for people to use objective 
measures to know that they are making progress.
   
  Please stick to your normal form of playing nice with the other kids here in 
the Flash playground :-)

Best wishes to you and yours this holiday season!
  

Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Flash 8 Certification Exam? Srsly? And you pay for it? That's crazy
talk! 

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Re: RE: [Flashcoders] :: anyone passed flash 8 certification exam?::

2006-12-11 Thread Jordan Snyder

I don't agree with the smartassitude, but perhaps what Steven is
insinuating is that proving that you know some syntax does not prove
that you can actually do anything with it.  I'm not at the epicenter
of the Flash Universe and I think the cert is worthless.  Is that a
better way to put it?  ;)

Cheers!

On 12/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Gee Steve,

  You normally are such a force for good in the world.

  But that post on the Flash cert was harsh.

  I can understand why you wouldn't take the time of day to think about taking 
a cert exam.  But then why take the time to bash it?

  The cert thing is good.  Not evil.  You live near the epicenter of the Flash 
universe.  But not everybody does.  It is good for people to use objective 
measures to know that they are making progress.

  Please stick to your normal form of playing nice with the other kids here in 
the Flash playground :-)

Best wishes to you and yours this holiday season!


Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Flash 8 Certification Exam? Srsly? And you pay for it? That's crazy
talk!

If you've got money to throw away, why not give it to a charity this
holiday season and use it for something that actually makes a
difference?


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Re: [Flashcoders] :: anyone passed flash 8 certification exam?::

2006-12-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hi jordan,
  
  now do you feel better? now that you got that off your chest and out in the 
open?  certifications are worthless.
  
  unless ...
  
  -- you are a newbie, and you are not even sure you are worthy of  calling 
yourself a Flash developer. trust me, if you can pass this  exam, you do know 
stuff. keep going.
 -- you are a non-technical  hiring manager. yeah, you can just take the 
candidate's word for it  that they know Flash. but i also definitely recommend 
that you look at  their portfolio, and even more importantly check their 
references (to  be sure that it is their portfolio). but if you are lazy and 
you can  check that they passed an exam, at least that is better than nothing.
  -- you have a salary job for a big bureaucratic corporation, and hell  if you 
know why, but if you pass the exam they will give you a pay  raise.
  -- you or your employer partner with Adobe and passing the exam is a 
requirement for your continued employment.
  -- or it is a choice between college and the real world. heck a  
certification exam is $150.  4 year college degree $150,000
  
  i have never met a subject matter expert that doesn't disdain the whole  
notion of certification exams. i guess it is not unlike neither bill  gates nor 
steve jobs having college degrees. but hey, they still hire  people that do.
  
 enough babble from me. technical  certifications exist. i took them. my 
passing them in no way makes me a  better flashcoder than you or steve. nor 
does it make me worse ;-)
  
  Now same to you, let's get back to playing nice with the other kids here in 
the Flash playground :-)
  
  Best wishes to you and yours this holiday season!
  

Jordan Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I don't agree with the smartassitude, 
but perhaps what Steven is  insinuating is that proving that you know some 
syntax does not prove  that you can actually do anything with it. I'm not at 
the epicenter of  the Flash Universe and I think the cert is worthless. Is that 
a better  way to put it? ;)

Cheers!
  

 
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Re: [Flashcoders] :: anyone passed flash 8 certification exam?::

2006-12-11 Thread Jordan Snyder

Haha fair enough.  Just understand that my tone was playful and did not
illicit a smartass response.  You do make some good points as to the uses of
a cert, but I'm still not sure that makes it worth much...with a Flash cert,
I'm not going to demand the same respect as with a 4 year degree.  There is
no comparison there.  And the other things seem as though they could be
accomplished by actually DOING something with Flash, not just learning
definitions.  If you have a hiring manager who can BS enough to learn some
definitions, and a potential hire than can BS enough to learn some
definitions, what have you got in the long run?
I will digress and recognize the validity of a cert in some instances, but I
still think it's hopping over a low bar.


Cheers!

On 12/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


hi jordan,

  now do you feel better? now that you got that off your chest and out in
the open?  certifications are worthless.

  unless ...

  -- you are a newbie, and you are not even sure you are worthy
of  calling yourself a Flash developer. trust me, if you can pass
this  exam, you do know stuff. keep going.
-- you are a non-technical  hiring manager. yeah, you can just take the
candidate's word for it  that they know Flash. but i also definitely
recommend that you look at  their portfolio, and even more importantly check
their references (to  be sure that it is their portfolio). but if you are
lazy and you can  check that they passed an exam, at least that is better
than nothing.
  -- you have a salary job for a big bureaucratic corporation, and
hell  if you know why, but if you pass the exam they will give you a
pay  raise.
  -- you or your employer partner with Adobe and passing the exam is a
requirement for your continued employment.
  -- or it is a choice between college and the real world. heck
a  certification exam is $150.  4 year college degree $150,000

  i have never met a subject matter expert that doesn't disdain the
whole  notion of certification exams. i guess it is not unlike neither
bill  gates nor steve jobs having college degrees. but hey, they still
hire  people that do.

enough babble from me. technical  certifications exist. i took them. my
passing them in no way makes me a  better flashcoder than you or steve. nor
does it make me worse ;-)

  Now same to you, let's get back to playing nice with the other kids here
in the Flash playground :-)

  Best wishes to you and yours this holiday season!


Jordan Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I don't agree with the
smartassitude, but perhaps what Steven is  insinuating is that proving that
you know some syntax does not prove  that you can actually do anything with
it. I'm not at the epicenter of  the Flash Universe and I think the cert is
worthless. Is that a better  way to put it? ;)

Cheers!



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Re: [Flashcoders] :: anyone passed flash 8 certification exam?::

2006-12-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
jordan,
  
  you hit the essence of it. it is hopping over a low bar.
  
  technical certs are minimal, entry level credentials.
  
  kind of like a drivers license. and true, just because you have a license 
doesn't mean that you know how to drive ;-)
  
  achieving a technical cert is in no way on par with winning MAX Awards, Flash 
Film Festival, or landing a big account.
  
  and certainly passing a certification exam doesn't mean you will be  able to 
go around seemingly effortlessly dropping code solutions here  on flashcoders 
like steven does.
  
  so relative to those high honors, i concur that the cert is worth less.
  
  but ... when you are coming off ground zero, knocking off a cert can be a 
nice milestone along the way.
  
  btw, Flash certs are version specific. of all the languages i code,  
actionscript has been the most horribly unstable. however, now that  Adobe has 
actionscript tied to ECMA-262,  my hope is that as3 will be the last gut 
wrenching change for  actionscript. point being when the Flash 9 cert comes out 
anyone who  passes it will have to be up to date on as3, and conversely won't 
be  required to know as2 or as1 (really, finally, good-bye prototype ;-)
  
  
  Jordan Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Haha fair enough.  Just understand 
that my tone was playful and did not
illicit  a smartass response. You do make some good points as to the uses of a  
cert, but I'm still not sure that makes it worth much...with a Flash  cert, I'm 
not going to demand the same respect as with a 4 year degree.  There is no 
comparison there. And the other things seem as though they  could be 
accomplished by actually DOING something with Flash, not just  learning 
definitions. If you have a hiring manager who can BS enough to  learn some 
definitions, and a potential hire than can BS enough to  learn some 
definitions, what have you got in the long run? I will  digress and recognize 
the validity of a cert in some instances, but I  still think it's hopping over 
a low bar.


Cheers!
  

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RE: RE: [Flashcoders] :: anyone passed flash 8 certification exam?::

2006-12-11 Thread Steven Sacks | BLITZ
If you want to extract from my statement that the certification is a
waste of time, and since idle hands are the devil's workshop therefore I
was saying the certification was evil, like Bobby Brown, that's your
perogative.  I wasn't taking it so far as to label it as such.  ;)

No Flash certificate in the world proves you know best practices when it
comes to architecting a solid codebase.  You know how to use the drawing
tools.  You know how to manipulate an Array.  You know the difference
between private and public functions.  You know the proper syntax when
writing classes.  Neato.

You've got a piece of paper that says you know how to use a drill, a
saw, a hammer, and a screwdriver.  Now build me a house.  

If I'm looking for somebody to build a house, I don't care if he has
certifications that he knows how to use the tools used to build a house.
A potential employer (client) wants to see the houses he has built (e.g.
a resume with past work and code examples).

I wouldn't give any Flash certification much weight.  It's not close to
a 4-year degree in CompSci.  If you're doing it for yourself, fine, but
I can think of better ways to spend your money.

http://www.childsplaycharity.org/  comes to mind.

To be fair, one benefit of taking the test is you push yourself to learn
new things in order to make sure you know enough to pass the test, which
could be anything, so you learn a lot to compensate.  It's only to
motivate you to learn.  A Flash 8 Certificate means little to nothing at
any company that needs Flash developers.  They want to see what you've
done with Flash, not that you have a license to drive it.









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 certification exam?::
 
 I don't agree with the smartassitude, but perhaps what Steven 
 is insinuating is that proving that you know some syntax does 
 not prove that you can actually do anything with it.  I'm not 
 at the epicenter of the Flash Universe and I think the cert 
 is worthless.  Is that a better way to put it?  ;)
 
 Cheers!
 
 On 12/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Gee Steve,
 
You normally are such a force for good in the world.
 
But that post on the Flash cert was harsh.
 
I can understand why you wouldn't take the time of day to 
 think about taking a cert exam.  But then why take the time 
 to bash it?
 
The cert thing is good.  Not evil.  You live near the 
 epicenter of the Flash universe.  But not everybody does.  It 
 is good for people to use objective measures to know that 
 they are making progress.
 
Please stick to your normal form of playing nice with the 
 other kids 
  here in the Flash playground :-)
 
  Best wishes to you and yours this holiday season!
 
 
  Steven Sacks | BLITZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Flash 8 Certification Exam? Srsly? And you pay for it? 
 That's crazy 
  talk!
 
  If you've got money to throw away, why not give it to a 
 charity this 
  holiday season and use it for something that actually makes a 
  difference?
 
 
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Re: [Flashcoders] :: anyone passed flash 8 certification exam?::

2006-12-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
arin,

i recently sat and passed the Flash 8 Certification exam.

i had previously passed the Developer cert for both Flash MX and MX 2004. i 
had never sat the Designer cert.
  
my  impression is that the Flash 8 Certification exam IS a Developer exam.  my 
guess is that to pass the Flash 8 certification, you have to know  ActionScript.
  
mind you, when you sit the exam you might end up  with a completely different 
set of questions. my guess is that they  have hundreds of questions, of which 
you will have to answer 70.  passing grade is 70%, meaning you have to get 49+ 
correct to pass. and  you have 75 minutes to complete the exam.
  
yeah, the test prep materials for the Flash 8 Cert suck.
  
  but ...
  
  here are some things you definitely should do:
  -- sample questions that download with the PDF at Adobe.com with the info 
about the Flash 8 exam
  http://partners.adobe.com/public/en/ace/ACE_Exam_Guide_Flash_8.pdf
  -- sample question that download with the PDF at Adobe.com with the info 
about the Flash MX 2004 Developer exam
  
www.adobe.com/support/training/certified_professional_program/flmx2004_dev_sample.pdf
  -- sample question that download with the PDF at Adobe.com with the info 
about the Flash MX 2004 Designer exam
  
www.adobe.com/support/training/certified_professional_program/flmx2004_des_sample.pdf
  -- know what is new with Flash 8. there are 1  hour of training videos on F8 
new features here:
  http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=170
and you can get a 24 hour free pass here:
  http://www.lynda.com/freepass/24
  
beyond  that, you can use some MX 2004 Developer study guide materials. tom  
kitta created a sample exam and put up a ton of his notes. you can  find  links 
to both here:
  http://www.tomkitta.com/flash/index.cfm
  
and you can still get the MX 2004 Developer study guide book:
  
http://www.amazon.com/Macromedia-Flash-Certified-Developer-Study/dp/0321256026/
  
  as i said earlier, you might end up with completely different questions  than 
I did. following are 3 topics that I saw more than 1 question on:
  -- LoadVars
  -- Font outline embedding. defaults for static text, dynamic text, input 
text.  etc.
  -- Video.  Video class. import formats supported.
  -- Audio.  Sound class. import formats supported.
  
one surprise for me was no questions related to components. v2 or otherwise.  
none. nada.
  
there  were non-ActionScript questions. some related to the IDE. so maybe  
those came in from the Designer cert, or maybe not. things like  publish 
profiles, bandwidth profiler, etc.
  
  one last bit of advice, if you can afford to take it twice, the best  way to 
find out what is on the exam is to take it. you definitely have  to prep for 
the first time that you take the exam. in the event that  you don't pass on the 
first go, you have to know enough to know what  you didn't know. if that makes 
sense. so if you can afford the risk of  taking the test a second time don't 
over agonize about it. prep, go, if  you pass the first time excellent. if not, 
likely you will know exactly  what you need to study up on to pass it with 
flying colors the second  time around.
  
i hope this helps. please post back about your experience after you take the 
exam.
  
  and anyone else who has taken the exam. please post your impressions too.
  
  best of luck!
  
  On 12/6/06, Orindom Dhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello,
  
  Has anyone out there,cleared the flash 8 professional certification  exam. If 
yes, could you please give some advice on how to prepare for  it. Unlike 
previous flash certifications, in flash 8 they have combined  the designer and 
developer and made it as one,its ridiculous! As a  hardcore actionscripter I 
would have loved to skip the graphic  designing part.Sigh!Also there is no 
clear cut blueprint from adobe for  flash 8 cert exam.
  
  Any help in this regard is highly appreciated.
  
  regards,
  
  Arin

 
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2006-12-06 Thread Orindom Dhar
Hello,
   
  Has anyone out there,cleared the flash 8 professional certification exam. If 
yes, could you please give some advice on how to prepare for it. Unlike 
previous flash certifications, in flash 8 they have combined the designer and 
developer and made it as one,its ridiculous! As a hardcore actionscripter I 
would have loved to skip the graphic designing part.Sigh!Also there is no clear 
cut blueprint from adobe for flash 8 cert exam.
   
  Any help in this regard is highly appreciated.
   
  regards,
   
  Arin

 
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