[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-17 Thread Ron G
thought HTML5 was the new buzzword and that it would make sense to state it at least 3 times on every page? John 2012/1/17 Ron G rgrimes@...mailto:rgrimes@... Hi Joaoak: You can make the coupling as tight or loose as you want. Each UI object can have a client side widget that is primarily

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-17 Thread Ron G
developers. Currently, they are on RC2 for ZK 6. So, I would anticipate these features being GA soon. Ron --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Ron G rgrimes@... wrote: Just go to Zkoss.org and do a search on HTML5. You'll see a lot about how it is increasing support for HTML5. Here is one neat

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-16 Thread Ron G
Hi Joaoak: You can make the coupling as tight or loose as you want. Each UI object can have a client side widget that is primarily the appearance, and a server side component that should contain the more complex logic. So, you can hide as much as want by placing it in the server side component

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-16 Thread Ron G
The problem with that approach is a lot of people are behind corporate firewalls where they also do not have local admin rights and are therefore not allowed to install anything on their desktop. If they want it, they have to call the network guys and get authorization and then have them

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-15 Thread Ron G
Valdhor: You are right about that. That is precisely why we went with Flex originally (it insulated us from X-Browser issues). But, since we can't count on that lasting, and even Adobe is telling developers to plan on moving to HTML5, it seems like they're pushing us back into x-browser

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-14 Thread Ron G
Whoaaa! Just re-read that, and if there is any one statement in all this thread that readers should pay attention to, it is this statement from Alex (quoted below). If FlashBuilder is going to be geared toward gaming in Flash, I wonder which IDE Flex developers are planning on using for the

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-14 Thread Ron G
Michael, In my deliberations as to whether to stick with Flex or not, I weighed the likelihood of a successful open-source Flex community. And, I must say I am not as hopeful as you. For one, we already seen how people failed to find interest in Open Laszlo. Second, the best and brightest

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-12 Thread Ron G
Learning ___ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron G Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:15 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives Yes, we have also abandoned Flex

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-12 Thread Ron G
. Not looking elsewhere. ** ** *Michael* ** ** *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron G *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:15 PM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-12 Thread Ron G
a popular paradigm for creating HTML5 apps. On 1/12/12 9:38 AM, Ron G rgrimes@... wrote: Hi James, I certainly respect the decision of those who are sticking with Flex, but I would suggest that developers do so with the recognition that they may be developing with a technology

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-12 Thread Ron G
So, I think we have a similar vision for where things are going with respect to Adobe supporting HTML5 for the enterprise. But, I fail to see why Flex and FlashBuilder would have any part of that. Why not just fall back to your excellent product, Dreamweaver, and enhance it as the IDE for

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-12 Thread Ron G
Rishi Tandon, Seems to me, from your signature, that you have an invested interest in Flex continuing. I would say that makes it difficult for you to see the difference between a reality and our own perception, as you so aptly put it. The least Adobe could do, after kicking Flex out to go live

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-12 Thread Ron G
I have used Flex since 2006, and I have used ZKoss within the last year. I can tell you that the learning curve of ZKoss is much lower than Flex, and the development cycle is even faster. In your spare time, if you're curious like me and like to check out different technologies, give it a

[flexcoders] Re: Flex alternatives

2012-01-11 Thread Ron G
Yes, we have also abandoned Flex in favor of ZKoss. Since we are already a Java shop, on the server side, it seemed logical to use a Java based framework on the client-side. The thing I really like about ZK or ZKoss is that it has equivalent components to Flex. In fact, it actually has more