Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-14 Thread Daniel Freiman
fields support? - Dan On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Weyert de Boer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At least it has forced Adobe to make improvements to Flash, like better > RTL support and the overall text support in general... Look at the new > text rendering and fields support in the upcoming

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-14 Thread Weyert de Boer
At least it has forced Adobe to make improvements to Flash, like better RTL support and the overall text support in general... Look at the new text rendering and fields support in the upcoming Flash 10 Player... -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flex

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-13 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Wednesday 13 Feb 2008, Maciek Sakrejda wrote: > another", Microsoft is in a unique position, given its market > penetration, to be much more guilty of this than anyone else. Indeed, it's the only one to have been found guilty *in court* of abusing that position, on both sides of the pond recen

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-13 Thread Maciek Sakrejda
ctor). -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:27:35 + On

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-13 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Wednesday 13 Feb 2008, Jon Bradley wrote: > whatever. If the technology is good, clients demand it and it makes > money, I use it. What worries me is that when MS technology *isn't* good, clients still demand it because MS has FUD'ed them to death. -- Tom Chiverton, writing this from KDE's g

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-13 Thread Jon Bradley
On Feb 13, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Tom Chiverton wrote: Conduct in the past often informs future conduct. Where a company has used a product as a weapon to bankrupt the competion, at the expense of features, as MS has done in the past, it is hard to see how it is not going to do so again i.e. mak

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-13 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Wednesday 13 Feb 2008, Jon Bradley wrote: > What Microsoft has done in it's history to people is irrelevant. You Conduct in the past often informs future conduct. Where a company has used a product as a weapon to bankrupt the competion, at the expense of features, as MS has done in the past, i

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-13 Thread Jon Bradley
On Feb 12, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Robert Thompson wrote: The thing developers need to be concerned about is Microsoft's history. [big snip] Honestly. What Microsoft has done in it's history to people is irrelevant. You obviously care deeply, given your rough road and history with them. That

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-13 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Wednesday 13 Feb 2008, Weyert de Boer wrote: > Mono/Moonlight to compile Silverlight projects on like Linux or MacOSX. Don't be fooled into this. Microsoft *will* wait just long enough for Moonlight to prove it has a chance of making a 'nix version work, thus letting MS claim

RE: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-12 Thread Robert Thompson
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People,Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record) As far as I knew you needed Visual Studio to develop for silverlight, has that changed? On Feb 13, 2008 10:04 AM, Weyert de Boer <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-12 Thread Robert Thompson
FlashLite already outperforms Silverlight in my opinion, and with Papervision 3D creating such great 3D api's, I see no reason at all for anyone to move out from a perfectly safe place with Adobe, to crawl over to Microsoft, who has shown their behavior patterns so consistently in bad-faith and

RE: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-12 Thread Merrill, Jason
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh McDonald Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 7:42 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-12 Thread Weyert de Boer
Yeah, probably. I think you can use the smcs compiler part of Mono/Moonlight to compile Silverlight projects on like Linux or MacOSX. Of course, you won't have the lovely Visual Studio IDE, though. > As far as I knew you needed Visual Studio to develop for silverlight, > has that changed? > > >

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-12 Thread Josh McDonald
As far as I knew you needed Visual Studio to develop for silverlight, has that changed? On Feb 13, 2008 10:04 AM, Weyert de Boer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's works fine for me under MacOSX. Indeed you can't run Blend under > that platform. In my opinion Silverlight is only interesting as a

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-12 Thread Weyert de Boer
It's works fine for me under MacOSX. Indeed you can't run Blend under that platform. In my opinion Silverlight is only interesting as a user interface engine for those Windows Mobile devices only that will take a long while ;)

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-12 Thread Josh McDonald
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Robert Thompson > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:17 PM > *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! > (Microsoft's Legal Record) > > > > Also Kevin, I think you m

RE: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-12 Thread Kevin Aebig
EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:17 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record) Also Kevin, I think you might have mis-interpreted by what I meant by "

RE: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-12 Thread Robert Thompson
on Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record) Here is a big reason why NOT to go with Silver-Light: I am Robert D. Thompson. Here is Federally

RE: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-12 Thread Robert Thompson
- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record) Here is a big reason w

RE: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-12 Thread Kevin Aebig
groups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Thompson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:50 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record) Here is a big reason why NOT to go with Silver-Light: I a

Re: [flexcoders] Adobe People, Save me from Silverlight! (Microsoft's Legal Record)

2008-02-12 Thread Robert Thompson
Here is a big reason why NOT to go with Silver-Light: I am Robert D. Thompson. Here is Federally Published public record of something, http://www.fedcirc.us/case-reviews/thompson-v.-microsoft-corporation-4.html I will not discuss the above public record, but will discuss why I believe it would