[flexcoders] Re: Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?
Is it just me or doesn't Google seem like the type of company that would not want to get involved with third party products such as Adobe and Flex. I would think they would never use Flex. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Figure of speech... ;-) First you boild the water, then you add the pudding mix milk, then you stir with love, then you let simmer, then you refirgerate for half a day, then it taste mmm mm good. But, it wans't pudding to begin with, only if you read the directions first. :) Peace, Mike On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usable pudding? *Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I think it will be 'the proof is in the pudding'. BTW, isn't it the actual developers like us that make a technology seen and be competitive ? :) It's all in the implementation, meaning, users are conditioned to what they see and if they see usable flex2 apps in a year, paradigm shift happens. Peace, Mike On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree re: no envangelism However, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand the context and not just the content of what we're getting into. :) *Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking. -- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jignesh Dodiya *Sent:* 13 March 2006 18:17 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can be more fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks for pointing it out!!! *JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] * wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they are a big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - *From: * dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM *Subject:* [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars (http://www.google.com/mars/ ) So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?
I actually saw a job posting for google the other day on hotjobs that had macromedia flex experience as a plus. I'm sure they're using it.On 3/14/06, Kevin Ewok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just me or doesn't Google seem like the type of company thatwould not want to get involved with third party products such as Adobeand Flex. I would think they would never use Flex.--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Michael Schmalle[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Figure of speech... ;-) First you boild the water, then you add the pudding mix milk, then you stir with love, then you let simmer, then you refirgerate for half a day, then it taste mmm mm good. But, it wans't pudding to begin with, only if you read the directions first. :) Peace, Mike On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usable pudding?*Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I think it will be 'the proof is in the pudding'. BTW, isn't it the actual developers like us that make a technologyseen and be competitive ? :) It's all in the implementation, meaning, users are conditioned to what they see and if they see usable flex2 apps ina year, paradigm shift happens. Peace, Mike On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree re: no envangelism However, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand thecontext and not just the content of what we're getting into. :) *Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debateappear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking.-- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jignesh Dodiya *Sent:* 13 March 2006 18:17 *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can be more fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty tomake people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likesto hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't getas widelypublicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks for pointing it out!!! *JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] * wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an oldtechnology and thus has a plethora of resources.Flex 2 isn't publicy outyet in anofficial capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot ofthosetypes of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they are a big company.Yahoo Maps utilizedFlex 1.5.They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so itwasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar.They are alsoexperiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, notpubliclyavailable, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 packagejust to get it(which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you justprobably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't getas widelypublicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works.Flex 2isn't even out yet.Sparkle's awesome, but you don't seepeople, evenMicrosoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - *From: * dos dedos[EMAIL PROTECTED]*To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com*Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM*Subject:* [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash orFlex (aWeb analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem tobe alwaysfocused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars(http://www.google.com/mars/) So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at thistime ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ...especiallygiven the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it fromtechnical andend-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a whileto adopt,but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahooand others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason(e.g.the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far asmarket adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting tounderstand thestrategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g.eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be toendorse AJAXhalf of the time and Flex the other
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?
The Flex/Flash company I was referring to (that was purchased recently by Google) is called MeasureMap (http://measuremap.com/) I had read about it on some blog a while ago that said it was based on Flex, but they don't have any demos yet (which would make sense if it's based on Flex 2)It's great to know that Yahoo is already working with Flex. I didn't know that. That was the second piece of evidence needed before concluding that Google, Yahoo and others have no issues incorporating Flex into their strategy. This conclusion is further supported by the recent announcement of the AJAX-Flex bridge.I have no doubt now that Google, Yahoo and others have already started working with Flex.Kevin Ewok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just me or doesn't Google seem like the type of company that would not want to get involved with third party products such as Adobe and Flex. I would think they would never use Flex. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Schmalle" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Figure of speech... ;-)First you boild the water, then you add the pudding mix milk, then you stir with love, then you let simmer, then you refirgerate for half a day, then it taste mmm mm good.But, it wans't pudding to begin with, only if you read the directions first. :)Peace, MikeOn 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usable pudding? *Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I think it will be 'the proof is in the pudding'. BTW, isn't it the actual developers like us that make a technology seen and be competitive ? :) It's all in the implementation, meaning, users are conditioned to what they see and if they see usable flex2 apps in a year, paradigm shift happens. Peace, Mike On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree re: no envangelism However, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand the contextand not just the content of what we're getting into. :) *Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear onthis forum, thats a little OT for my liking. --*From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *OnBehalf Of *Jignesh Dodiya*Sent:* 13 March 2006 18:17*To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com*Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this..Don't u think, this forum can be more fruitfull if anybody from Adobe doshare his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make peopleencourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flexexpert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks for pointing it out!!! *JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] * wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they are a big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - *From: * dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM *Subject:* [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars (http://www.google.com/mars/ ) So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user pe
[flexcoders] Re: Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?
You mean we are only allowed to discuss technical issues with Flex 1.x and Flex 2.x Beta on this mailing list? Personally I find the hardest (and most fustrating) thing with Flex is trying to sell the idea of it to management at work as a platform for building rich internal enterprise applications. On the technical side of things finding its alot easier to learn Flex 2 then various DHTML/AJAX Toolkits and Microsoft WPF...well so far anyway :). --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree re: no envangelism However, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand the context and not just the content of what we're getting into. :) Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking. - From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jignesh Dodiya Sent: 13 March 2006 18:17 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can be more fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo has a lot of efforts inregards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, isall, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks forpointing it out!!! JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they are a big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars ( http://www.google.com/mars/) So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process. Just
