[Flightgear-devel] Wright flyer wing warping

2002-10-17 Thread Marcel Wittebrood
Dear Jim, you state that "With the 1903 they trussed it all up so that only the trailing edges warped, making it even more aileron like." We also have the smithsonian museum drawings from the 1903 flyer. The inboard wing is trussed up but the outboard wing does not have any truss cables

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSAA frustration continues (Nvidia forum post)

2002-10-17 Thread Geoff Reidy
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Geoff Reidy writes: The major problem I have with fgfs is that I seem to hit a race condition where all graphics and sound stop for extended periods of time (up to about 30 secs), long enough for autopilot (or me!) to lose control and the plane will always crash. During

[Flightgear-devel] Changes to SimGear required?

2002-10-17 Thread Jon Stockill
I've just been trying to compile a current CVS update of both SimGear and FlightGear. Simegear builds properly, but FlightGear falls over in src/Main with: fg_init.cxx: In function `bool fgInitSubsystems()': fg_init.cxx:1046: no matching function for call to `SkySceneLoader::Load (string, double,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright flyer wing warping

2002-10-17 Thread Jim Wilson
Marcel Wittebrood [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Dear Jim, you state that With the 1903 they trussed it all up so that only the trailing edges warped, making it even more aileron like. We also have the smithsonian museum drawings from the 1903 flyer. The inboard wing is trussed up but the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Changes to SimGear required?

2002-10-17 Thread Curtis L. Olson
This definitely looks like a version mismatch between simgear/flightgear. Make sure you've build the latest simgear-cvs and then check all the dumb stuff, like you installed it, you don't have extra older versions of simgear floating around your hard drive, etc. etc. Regards, Curt. Jon

re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright flyer

2002-10-17 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes: Thanks. It's getting there. I'm still trying to figure out from Orville's description how the elevator mecahnism works (for animation). Might need to go down to Owl's head again to take a another look at their replica. Still thinking about wing warping... (hints to

[Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Hehe, if you start out with a fairly stable approach and are pretty close already, the autopilot seems to hold the Wright Flyer right on the glide slope. ATC was complaining a bit about my 33 kt. (full throttle) approach speed though ... Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hehe, if you start out with a fairly stable approach and are pretty close already, the autopilot seems to hold the Wright Flyer right on the glide slope. ATC was complaining a bit about my 33 kt. (full throttle) approach speed though ...

[Flightgear-devel] OT: re - Jim Wilson's Employer

2002-10-17 Thread C. Hotchkiss
Jim Wilson wrote: ... I'll see if I can do that over the next few days. Time is limited these days. The company I work at does 80% of their business this month and next (see http://www.kelcomaine.com to find out why). ... From a couple of the pictures there I assume the during the off season

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread John Check
On Thursday 17 October 2002 10:34 am, Jim Wilson wrote: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hehe, if you start out with a fairly stable approach and are pretty close already, the autopilot seems to hold the Wright Flyer right on the glide slope. ATC was complaining a bit about my 33

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Jon Stockill
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, John Check wrote: Hahah, a GC for that would be an hour glass and a spirit level. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] TC ball

2002-10-17 Thread Julian Foad
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I'm guessing that Ay / Az is roughly proportional to Fy / Fz so these two methods won't be exactly the same, but should be similar enough. Well, a classic rule of physics is F = m.a (force = mass x acceleration) and that applies to the directions of the force and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread John Check
On Thursday 17 October 2002 2:43 pm, Jon Stockill wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, John Check wrote: Hahah, a GC for that would be an hour glass and a spirit level. Thanks, I knew there had to be another peice. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Jim Wilson
Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, John Check wrote: Hahah, a GC for that would be an hour glass and a spirit level. Hmmm... I did a google on spirit level wright flyer and nothing came up. Any idea what it looks like? Best, Jim

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: re - Jim Wilson's Employer

2002-10-17 Thread Jim Wilson
C. Hotchkiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Jim Wilson wrote: ... I'll see if I can do that over the next few days. Time is limited these days. The company I work at does 80% of their business this month and next (see http://www.kelcomaine.com to find out why). ... From a couple of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Jon Stockill
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Jim Wilson wrote: Hmmm... I did a google on spirit level wright flyer and nothing came up. Any idea what it looks like? I was actualyl joking, but now you come to mention it, it probably would have been quite handy for them keeping the wing level :-) -- Jon Stockill

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Jim Wilson
John Check [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thursday 17 October 2002 10:34 am, Jim Wilson wrote: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hehe, if you start out with a fairly stable approach and are pretty close already, the autopilot seems to hold the Wright Flyer right on the glide slope.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread John Check
On Thursday 17 October 2002 3:46 pm, Jim Wilson wrote: John Check [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thursday 17 October 2002 10:34 am, Jim Wilson wrote: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hehe, if you start out with a fairly stable approach and are pretty close already, the autopilot

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Hmmm... I did a google on spirit level wright flyer and nothing came up. Any idea what it looks like? Probably like one oops two of these one aligned with the wing and one aligned with the body http://www.stanleylondon.com/inclinometer.htm Norman

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread John Check
On Thursday 17 October 2002 3:50 pm, Jim Wilson wrote: Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, John Check wrote: Hahah, a GC for that would be an hour glass and a spirit level. Hmmm... I did a google on spirit level wright flyer and nothing came up. Any idea what it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Martin Spott
The UIUC folks did a very good job on the flight dynamics. My gut feeling is that this is probably very close in terms of performance to the original. Yep, you have no chance to gain terrain with '--random-wind' enabled ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:31:08 +0100 (BST), Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Jim Wilson wrote: Hmmm... I did a google on spirit level wright flyer and nothing came up. Any idea what it looks like? I was actualyl joking, but now you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Jon Stockill
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, John Check wrote: You're right, let's go analog. Sundial and a plumb bob ;D I think you'd have problems setting your sundial from the sun compass, or the sun compass from the sundial, or oh dear I'd suggest damping the plumb bob too - a large water tank should do.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Jon Stockill wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Jim Wilson wrote: Hmmm... I did a google on spirit level wright flyer and nothing came up. Any idea what it looks like? A glass of brandy? I was actualyl joking, but now you come to mention it, it probably would have been quite handy for them

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-17 Thread Julian Foad
Curtis L. Olson wrote: What I would like to propose for people's consideration, is the idea of taking each of FlightGear's component libraries and converting them to the LGPL license. The top level wrapper code (i.e. whatever is in src/Main) would remain GPL. Well, it doesn't matter what

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright flyer

2002-10-17 Thread David Megginson
Martin Spott writes: The UIUC folks did a very good job on the flight dynamics. My gut feeling is that this is probably very close in terms of performance to the original. Yep, you have no chance to gain terrain with '--random-wind' enabled ;-) I'll grant that crosswind landings

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Jim Wilson
Norman Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Jim Wilson writes: Hmmm... I did a google on spirit level wright flyer and nothing came up. Any idea what it looks like? Probably like one oops two of these one aligned with the wing and one aligned with the body

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-17 Thread Jon Berndt
about putting as much as possible under LGPL. At first I thought that sounded like betrayal, but now I'm thinking it sounds good. It would allow companies who sell a product to include part or (essentially) all of Flight Gear in their product. They would still have an obligation to Yes.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-17 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Even back in the early days when FlightGear was just starting out, I thought it would be pretty great if someday I could get paid to work on FlightGear full time. So far no one has stepped up to the plate and offered to cover my salary simply for the pleasure of assisting an open source project.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-17 Thread Jim Wilson
Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Jim Wilson wrote: Hmmm... I did a google on spirit level wright flyer and nothing came up. Any idea what it looks like? I was actualyl joking, but now you come to mention it, it probably would have been quite handy for them

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-17 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: come along once in a while. As can be expected, anything that would pay me or anyone else to work on FlightGear would most likely need some sort of financial incentive. FlightGear would have to satisfy some need they are trying to fullfill. Like the

[Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-17 Thread Curtis L. Olson
No one commented on my last runway lights message so I figured I'd send some more picts of the latest: http://www.flightgear.org/tmp/rwy_lights3.jpg http://www.flightgear.org/tmp/rwy_lights4.jpg http://www.flightgear.org/tmp/rwy_lights5.jpg http://www.flightgear.org/tmp/rwy_lights6.jpg

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-17 Thread David Findlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 *drools over keyboard* Very nice. But can you see the pole and light assemblies at daytime? :-) Thanks, David - -- If you give someone a program, you will frustrate them for a day. If you teach them how to program, you will frustrate them for a