[Flightgear-devel] MB-339 PAN aircraft

2005-07-28 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Just as a feedback as projects like this might help to make FlightGear more popular: http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=127&topic_id=28692&mesg_id=28692&page= Regards Georg ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightg

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 28 Jul 2005 15:15, Vivian Meazza wrote: > Dave Culp > > ... snip ... > > > The present system makes smoke/contrails by releasing AI > > objects rapidly. There are three problems with it now: > > > > 1) Orienting the objects properly. Only applies for long > > (i.e. cylindrical, > > re

[Flightgear-devel] another compass question

2005-07-28 Thread Josh Babcock
I know that the fg magnetic compass code models errors due to tilt pretty well, but it occurs to me that a lot of these compasses are gimbaled and remain flat for a few degrees as the plane tilts. Is this aspect modeled? Josh ___ Flightgear-devel mailin

[Flightgear-devel] xml panels (2d)

2005-07-28 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Hi, I'm currently working on two panels to eumulate a Piper Seminole and a Piper Seneca (both piston twins). I already managed to build a few things: http://www.t3r.de/fg/fgfs-screen-003.jpg There is an old-fashioned analog utc-clock, a RMI with two needles for ADF and VOR, a radar altimeter (li

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:34:13 -0700 (PDT), Craig wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello all, > > Where do I find this aircraft. Is it released yet? ..chk down the $FGROOT/data/aircraft/ tree. > Craig > > Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:48:01 -0500, Dave

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: Erik Hofman > > Jim Wilson wrote: > >>From: Erik Hofman > > >>Which they do, they clearly added modified versions of FlightGear > >>configuration files to the systems and sound directory. > >> > >>If they want us to respect their copyright I expect them to respect ours > >>and make clea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Menu system code modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Craig Martin
Great,   my first bug free modification ;0   ThanksErik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Craig,> I am new to flightgear, and a moderatly experienced programmer. I> have some mods that I would like to make to the FGFS program, really> more as a learning exercise than anything else.> > I have dow

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:20:38 +0200, Erik wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Andy Ross wrote: > > > Basically, it seems to me like these guys are fine, with a few > > nit-picky exceptions like the joystick configuration. I don't think > > Yes, but why the joystick configuration and not the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] MB-339 PAN License information changed

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which they do, they clearly added modified versions of FlightGear configuration files to the systems and sound directory. If they want us to respect their copyright I expect them to respect ours and make clean which versions are derived from FlightGear and hence are s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Menu system code modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Hi Craig, I am new to flightgear, and a moderatly experienced programmer. I have some mods that I would like to make to the FGFS program, really more as a learning exercise than anything else. I have downloaded the code, and all of the documentation I could find, and I decid

[Flightgear-devel] MB-339 PAN License information changed

2005-07-28 Thread senerchi
>Which they do, they clearly added modified versions of FlightGear >configuration files to the systems and sound directory. >If they want us to respect their copyright I expect them to respect ours >and make clean which versions are derived from FlightGear and hence are >still GPL. >Erik Yo

Re: smoke was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Gerard Robin
Le jeudi 28 juillet 2005 à 19:07 +0200, Harald JOHNSEN a écrit : > >I think Harald is working on this as an offshoot of his 3d clouds. I'm quite > >sure we can't do better with the AI ballistic approach as it stands. > > > >Vivian > Not really working on it atm becaue I need to advance on the sh

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: Basically, it seems to me like these guys are fine, with a few nit-picky exceptions like the joystick configuration. I don't think Yes, but why the joystick configuration and not the sound configuration (which was created by me for the c172) for instance. we need to raise

smoke was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Vivian Meazza wrote: Dave Culp ... snip ... The present system makes smoke/contrails by releasing AI objects rapidly. There are three problems with it now: 1) Orienting the objects properly. Only applies for long (i.e. cylindrical, rectangular) models. 2) Matching the release rate to t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Andy Ross
Erik Hofman wrote: > You can always argue what would be derived work: just the modified files > or the complete package. Personally I would say the first. Modifying a file is, pretty obviously, creating a "derived work" under any reasonable interpretation. :) > There is no argument possible about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Menu system code modifications

2005-07-28 Thread Craig Martin
Hello all, I am new to flightgear, and a moderatly experienced programmer. I have some mods that I would like to make to the FGFS program, really more as a learning exercise than anything else. I have downloaded the code, and all of the documentation I could find, and I decided to get my feet wet

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Craig Martin
Hello all,   Where do I find this aircraft. Is it released yet?   CraigArnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:48:01 -0500, Dave wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:> > Since the MB-339 PAN is an on-going project, we plan to release> > an improved version of the aircraft (wi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Overhauling the networking code(was:Multiplayercrashes with unknown aircrafts, any solution?)

2005-07-28 Thread Andy Ross
Oliver Schroeder wrote: > Andy is, of course, right. We should not send binary data over the > wire and I think that using XDR for transmission Binary is fine. Uncooked memory is not. :) And FWIW, XDR seems awfully heavyweight to me. It involves a comparatively large amount of code for things th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: From: Erik Hofman Which they do, they clearly added modified versions of FlightGear configuration files to the systems and sound directory. If they want us to respect their copyright I expect them to respect ours and make clean which versions are derived from FlightGear an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:48:01 -0500, Dave wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Since the MB-339 PAN is an on-going project, we plan to release > > an improved version of the aircraft (with smokes?). > > We have smoke/contrails now, but they need a lot of work: > > http://home.comcast.n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: Erik Hofman > > Erik Hofman wrote: > > > As long as they haven't used *any* FlightGear supplied code, sound > > files, textures, configuration files or anything else included in the > > base package, they can do whatever they want. > > > > If, however, they have used one or more parts

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: Erik Hofman > > Gerard Robin wrote: > > > We could wonder about the License compatibility with GNU. > > > > FlighGear Team should probably discuss that with HCI Lab of the > > University of Udine, before official FG distribution. > > That licence goes against our "up to now policy". > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote: and make clean which versions are derived from FlightGear and hence are Eh, ... clear, "make clear which files are derived" ... Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/ma

[Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'm glad that you appreciate our work. > > Don't miss the video about the making of the MB-339 PAN. > We have slightly modified FlightGear source code to enable > an head tracking sensor for controlling the cockpit view. > The video shows the Capt. Tammaro during th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote: As long as they haven't used *any* FlightGear supplied code, sound files, textures, configuration files or anything else included in the base package, they can do whatever they want. If, however, they have used one or more parts included in the base package, then their wor

[Flightgear-devel] ..on multiple licenses, also for MB339? , was: Cirrus SR20 Model?

2005-07-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Hi Augusto, .. I cc'd you this because the licensing discussion here is relevant to your MB339. :o) ..for the rest of you guys, this discusses why-n-how the GPL is _the_ superior commersial and academic license, IMHO. ;o) On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:15:44 -0500, Curtis wrote in message <[EMAIL PR

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Gerard Robin wrote: We could wonder about the License compatibility with GNU. FlighGear Team should probably discuss that with HCI Lab of the University of Udine, before official FG distribution. That licence goes against our "up to now policy". The HCI Lab licence look like many External devel

[Flightgear-devel] ..copyright infringement???, was: Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:39:34 +0100, Dave wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Congratulation to the Author. > > > > The flight is wonderful, very accurate. > > > > Only little difficulties under Linux with the "Upper-case, > > Lower-case" mixing (direct.xml => Direct.xml, *.ase => *.ASE,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Vivian Meazza
Dave Culp ... snip ... > > The present system makes smoke/contrails by releasing AI objects rapidly. > There are three problems with it now: > > 1) Orienting the objects properly. Only applies for long (i.e. > cylindrical, > rectangular) models. > > 2) Matching the release rate to the airpla

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Martin
> Is it better to ask to the Author to solve it? > I did it on my side > > We could wonder about the License compatibility with GNU. > > FlighGear Team should probably discuss that with HCI Lab of the > University of Udine, before official FG distribution. > That licence goes against our "up

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Gerard Robin
Le jeudi 28 juillet 2005 à 14:39 +0100, Dave Martin a écrit : > > Congratulation to the Author. > > > > The flight is wonderful, very accurate. > > > > Only little difficulties under Linux with the "Upper-case, Lower-case" > > mixing (direct.xml => Direct.xml, *.ase => *.ASE, instruments name, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jon Stockill
Dave Culp wrote: 3) Making a smoke model that merges well with the others. I've heard (on this list) that this may be a plib limitation. It may require the use of a different visual model, like billboards or particle fields. I'm sure someone has already done some work on particle smoke. IS

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Culp
> Since the MB-339 PAN is an on-going project, we plan to release > an improved version of the aircraft (with smokes?). We have smoke/contrails now, but they need a lot of work: http://home.comcast.net/~davidculp2/contrails.jpg They look OK from some angles, and look bad from others. I tri

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Martin
> Congratulation to the Author. > > The flight is wonderful, very accurate. > > Only little difficulties under Linux with the "Upper-case, Lower-case" > mixing (direct.xml => Direct.xml, *.ase => *.ASE, instruments name, and > flap => Flap). > > Arrh MS Windows. > I would fix the faults and m

Re: [Flightgear-devel] jsbsim won't start with w110n40 or w110n30airports

2005-07-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:47:26 +0200, Gerard wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Le mercredi 27 juillet 2005 à 23:15 +0200, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:18:34 +0200, Gerard wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > I did NOT ask for deleting that piece of code w

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobaticjet

2005-07-28 Thread Jon Berndt
> Since the MB-339 PAN is an on-going project, we plan to release > an improved version of the aircraft (with smokes?). If anyone > at flightgear.org would like to link our MB-339 PAN project in > the "Related Projects" section, we would be very happy. >Bye, Augusto. I will mention it in the u

[Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread senerchi
I'm glad that you appreciate our work. Don't miss the video about the making of the MB-339 PAN. We have slightly modified FlightGear source code to enable an head tracking sensor for controlling the cockpit view. The video shows the Capt. Tammaro during the beta-testing of our "Low-Cost Immersi

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the FrecceTricolori aerobaticjet

2005-07-28 Thread Jon Berndt
> > > Nice model. I particularly like the horizon ball. > > > > I particularly like the fact that they used FlightGear :-D > > And I also like the fact that they used JSBSim and started with aeromatic :) > > Dave :-) Ahhh, the aeromatic scent of a newly released flight model. In the morning. W

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobaticjet

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Culp
> > Nice model. I particularly like the horizon ball. > > I particularly like the fact that they used FlightGear :-D And I also like the fact that they used JSBSim and started with aeromatic :) Dave ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@fl

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Gerard Robin
Le jeudi 28 juillet 2005 à 08:37 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > At this site http://hcilab.uniud.it/pan you can download the results of a > joint > project between the HCI Lab of the University of Udine > and the aerobatic team of the Italian Air Force (the > Frecce Tricolori). > > The Lab

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobaticjet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Vivian Meazza wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At this site http://hcilab.uniud.it/pan you can download the results of a joint project between the HCI Lab of the University of Udine and the aerobatic team of the Italian Air Force (the Frecce Tricolori). The Lab has produced a detailed, flyable model

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobaticjet

2005-07-28 Thread Vivian Meazza
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > At this site http://hcilab.uniud.it/pan you can download the results of a > joint > project between the HCI Lab of the University of Udine > and the aerobatic team of the Italian Air Force (the > Frecce Tricolori). > > The Lab has produced a detailed, flyable model > of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Overhauling the networking code(was:Multiplayercrashes with unknown aircrafts, any solution?)

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Oliver Schroeder wrote: With help from Norman I fixed the alignment in the used headers. The patch is available at http://www.o-schroeder.de/fg_server/patch.php But this patch again fixes only symtoms, not the problems. I suggest to put it into cvs anyway, as it will enable the majority to get

[Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread senerchi
At this site http://hcilab.uniud.it/pan you can download the results of a joint project between the HCI Lab of the University of Udine and the aerobatic team of the Italian Air Force (the Frecce Tricolori). The Lab has produced a detailed, flyable model of the MB-339 PAN jet. The leader of the F

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Overhauling the networking code(was:Multiplayercrashes with unknown aircrafts, any solution?)

2005-07-28 Thread Oliver Schroeder
Mathias Fröhlich wrote: >On Mittwoch 27 Juli 2005 14:55, Vivian Meazza wrote: > > >>It's a quick and dirty hack. Oliver and Norman are working on a proper fix. >>It compiles on gcc 3.4.4-1. If Cygwin users want to use multiplayer, then >>this patch allows it. It certainly should not find its way

Re: [Flightgear-devel] fluxgate compass

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Josh Babcock wrote: I am making a flux gate compass instrument that is gyro stabilized. Is there a property that reflects heading with magnetic declination but does not read incorrectly in a dive or bank? I think it's called: /orientation/heading-magnetic-deg Erik __