Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Release of Lake Constance custom scenery

2005-10-25 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hello, Georg Vollnhals schrieb: Hi Ralf, thank you and all the Lake Constance Team Members for improving that wonderful piece of (scenery) cake for VFR flyers. I just managed due to lack of freetime to make a freeflight around LOIR (to the south and north) and could clearly see what you

[Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] cleanup of FlighGear and SimGear

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Romosan
Vassilii Khachaturov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surely that's a beneficial change, so please submit, whether you're talking about just the ATCutils module cleanup or of something with a wider scope. i haven't seen my previous patches (the message was blocked because of its size and it was

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [PATCH] [BUG] tmp-ly disable buggy mag compass jamming code (fwd)

2005-10-25 Thread Vassilii Khachaturov
reply from David -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:55:31 -0400 From: David Megginson To: Vassilii Khachaturov Subject: Re: [PATCH] [BUG] tmp-ly disable buggy mag compass jamming code (fwd) On 23/10/05, Vassilii Khachaturov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've sent

RE: [Flightgear-devel] waterways ..W in your airport database

2005-10-25 Thread Vassilii Khachaturov
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Robin Peel wrote: Paul: In general, X-Plane only supports water runways at designated seaplane bases, not as additions to terrestrial airports (I forget the reason, I am afraid). I will look into whether they can be added back. I do recall that PHNL has this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] cleanup of FlighGear and SimGear

2005-10-25 Thread Vassilii Khachaturov
http://caliban.lbl.gov/fgfs_patches/flightgear.diff Great work. I wonder if there is a way to profile fg/sg for this kind of inefficiencies somewhere in a tight loop. A couple of comments: diff -u -r1.43 AIBase.hxx --- src/AIModel/AIBase.hxx 15 Oct 2005 14:55:51 - 1.43 +++

[Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Martin
Just wondering if anyone (pos historically) has driven physical instruments using FlightGear on Linux. I'm thinking the analog variety (ASI AI ALT etc) from the likes of SimKits. Obviously the SimKits stuff couldn't work directly because their proprietary software to drive the CCU is for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Dave Martin wrote: Just wondering if anyone (pos historically) has driven physical instruments using FlightGear on Linux. I'm thinking the analog variety (ASI AI ALT etc) from the likes of SimKits. Obviously the SimKits stuff couldn't work directly because their proprietary software to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Martin
On Tuesday 25 October 2005 14:07, Curtis L. Olson wrote: For the FAA Level 3 FTD certified sims I work with, we draw the instruments on an LCD screen, then place a panel cutout with bezels on top of that. Fools a *lot* of people into thinking they are real, even though they aren't. I did

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson wrote: [...] The simkits stuff are driven by standard servos, right? So you could get a little PIC board to run your servos and take position commands in from the serial port ... then you just need to send the data out the serial port from FG (with perhaps a small amount

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] cleanup of FlighGear and SimGear

2005-10-25 Thread Erik Hofman
Vassilii Khachaturov wrote: http://caliban.lbl.gov/fgfs_patches/flightgear.diff Great work. I wonder if there is a way to profile fg/sg for this kind of inefficiencies somewhere in a tight loop. Ok, these changes have been committed. It's quite extensive but I'm rather pleased with them.

[Flightgear-devel] Depth buffer issues with instruments and reindeer

2005-10-25 Thread Jim Wilson
Just thought I'd mention a couple things. 1) Some of the aircraft panel instruments display z-fighting even at the higher depth buffer setting... # grep Depth XFree86.0.log (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp ...and I'm wondering if there's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Depth buffer issues with instruments and reindeer

2005-10-25 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: 2) Raindeer in the santa model should be spelled reindeer. It might be a common misspelling but it is still a misspelling ;-) Ehr Alright, but only because it's you who mentioned it. I could have called it rendier instead as it's called in Dutch, but I chose to call it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Martin
On Tuesday 25 October 2005 14:07, Curtis L. Olson wrote: For the FAA Level 3 FTD certified sims I work with, we draw the instruments on an LCD screen, then place a panel cutout with bezels on top of that. Fools a *lot* of people into thinking they are real, even though they aren't. Just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Dave Martin wrote: Just another quick thought on this idea. (I'd like to try it) If I've got my facts right, a standard gauge is about 3 1/8inch (approx 80mm) diameter mount. So does that suggest a 19inch or 20inch LCD screen for the c172-610x panel? I don't recall the exact dimensions

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Buchanan, Stuart
For the FAA Level 3 FTD certified sims I work with, we draw the instruments on an LCD screen, then place a panel cutout with bezels on top of that. How are you driving the panel? From the same box as the cockpit view (multiple FG instances?)or by using multiple machines? I'm quite

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Erik Hofman
Buchanan, Stuart wrote: How are you driving the panel? From the same box as the cockpit view (multiple FG instances?)or by using multiple machines? I'm quite interested in the possibilities of multi-display setups, but it feels a bit excessive to have a box just dedicated to displaying a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Martin
A really good setup requires the following: * The server, displaying the panel and running the FDM. * A dual core machine for every display as a slave to the main server. Erik What is the reason for using a dual-core machine for each 'out the window' view? (Asking out of ignorance) --

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/ATC AIEntity.cxx, 1.12,

2005-10-25 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/ATC In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv30924/src/ATC [...] * Use const string rather than string in function calls when appropriate. [...] I have the impression that the changes to the FlightGear subtree didn't make it into CVS

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Martin
On Tuesday 25 October 2005 15:34, Curtis L. Olson wrote: There are adjustments in the proper place on the panel. I'm just a software guy, so I don't know all the hardware tricks that are being done. But I do know the end result has a nice solid feel and is very convincing. Curt. Well, I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Depth buffer issues with instruments and reindeer

2005-10-25 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Jim Wilson wrote: Just thought I'd mention a couple things. 1) Some of the aircraft panel instruments display z-fighting even at the higher depth buffer setting... # grep Depth XFree86.0.log (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp ...and I'm

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Buchanan, Stuart wrote: How are you driving the panel? From the same box as the cockpit view (multiple FG instances?)or by using multiple machines? I'm quite interested in the possibilities of multi-display setups, but it feels a bit excessive to have a box just dedicated to displaying a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Dave Martin wrote: Well, I think I could get the adjusters in place (experimentation time) My next question would have to be (bear with me) Does FreeGLUT support multiple mice yet? Alternatively, does FreeGLUT rely on X11 for it's mouse definitions. I think I may have found a method in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Erik Hofman
Dave Martin wrote: What is the reason for using a dual-core machine for each 'out the window' view? It allows you to load the scenery without seeing glitches or hick-ups in the rendering thread. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/ATC AIEntity.cxx, 1.12,

2005-10-25 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: I have the impression that the changes to the FlightGear subtree didn't make it into CVS - at least they didn't appear on checkout. Am I the only one who misses these changes ? I guess so, the CVS changelog was sent out to me by mail. Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Dave Martin
On Tuesday 25 October 2005 16:45, Curtis L. Olson wrote: We are using multiple machines, one for each display. My feeling is that if it is a bit excessive, it is only a small bit excessive and I can put up with it. :-) You are welcome to try running a multiheaded machine (with support for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread John Wojnaroski
Dave Martin wrote: Unfortunately my total lack of software development skills and apparent numerical dyslexia would preclude this. That is, unless now or in the future enough people might become interested in doing this (I may not code but I'm quite the engineer when it comes to physical

[Flightgear-devel] Re: CVS: FlightGear/src/Main metar_main.cxx, 1.9, 1.10

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Romosan
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Main In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv17258 Modified Files: metar_main.cxx Log Message: I guess there was something in Alex' patch that wasn't all that fortunate. Index: metar_main.cxx

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Threading for SMP, boon or bane?

2005-10-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:08:06 -0700, Andy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Curtis L. Olson wrote: I would like to make a case for non-threading from the standpoint of simplicity. We have had (and probably still have) some extremely subtle and extremely difficult to track bugs in our

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:59:31 +0100, Dave wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just wondering if anyone (pos historically) has driven physical instruments using FlightGear on Linux. I'm thinking the analog variety (ASI AI ALT etc) from the likes of SimKits. Obviously the SimKits stuff

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [PATCH] cleanup of FlighGear and SimGear

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Romosan
Vassilii Khachaturov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://caliban.lbl.gov/fgfs_patches/flightgear.diff Great work. I wonder if there is a way to profile fg/sg for this kind of inefficiencies somewhere in a tight loop. A couple of comments: diff -u -r1.43 AIBase.hxx ---

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread John Wojnaroski
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Dave Martin wrote: Well, I think I could get the adjusters in place (experimentation time) My next question would have to be (bear with me) Does FreeGLUT support multiple mice yet? Alternatively, does FreeGLUT rely on X11 for it's mouse definitions. I think I may

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/ATC AIEntity.cxx, 1.12,

2005-10-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Erik Hofman Martin Spott wrote: I have the impression that the changes to the FlightGear subtree didn't make it into CVS - at least they didn't appear on checkout. Am I the only one who misses these changes ? I guess so, the CVS changelog was sent out to me by mail. Erik I'd

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/ATC AIEntity.cxx, 1.12,

2005-10-25 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza discovered: AIFlightPlan.cxx:69: error: passing `const std::string' as `this' argument of `std::basic_string_CharT, _Traits, _Alloc std::basic_string_CharT, _Traits, _Alloc::operator=(const _CharT*) [with _CharT = char, _Traits = std::char_traitschar, _Alloc =

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/ATCAIEntity.cxx, 1.12,

2005-10-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross Vivian Meazza discovered: AIFlightPlan.cxx:69: error: passing `const std::string' as `this' argument of `std::basic_string_CharT, _Traits, _Alloc std::basic_string_CharT, _Traits, _Alloc::operator=(const _CharT*) [with _CharT = char, _Traits = std::char_traitschar, _Alloc

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [PATCH] cleanup of FlighGear and SimGear

2005-10-25 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Alex Romosan a écrit : this change is okay. i am not sure what you mean by marking the method to be const but if it's this: inline const Point3D GetPos() const that would mean it acts on a const object which is what we want anyway (but not necessarily). so can we apply this patch as well:

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/ATCAIEntity.cxx, 1.12,

2005-10-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Vivian Meazza wrote Andy Ross Vivian Meazza discovered: AIFlightPlan.cxx:69: error: passing `const std::string' as `this' argument of `std::basic_string_CharT, _Traits, _Alloc std::basic_string_CharT, _Traits, _Alloc::operator=(const _CharT*) [with _CharT = char, _Traits

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/ATCAIEntity.cxx, 1.12,

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Romosan
Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I attach a diff against CVS - HEAD which I applied to get CVS to compile under Cygwin. It may not be the best or preferred way to do it, but the patch works here, so far as I can see. diff -u -w -b -r1.11 AIFlightPlan.hxx --- AIFlightPlan.hxx25 Oct

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Jon Stockill
On Tue, October 25, 2005 5:18 pm, John Wojnaroski said: The boards Curt refers to were specifically designed for a 747 simulator. They will read analog, discrete inputs, rotary encoders but are not designed to drive anything other than digital signals. Would need a bit more design and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Depth buffer issues with instruments and reindeer

2005-10-25 Thread Jim Wilson
From: Harald JOHNSEN Jim Wilson wrote: Just thought I'd mention a couple things. 1) Some of the aircraft panel instruments display z-fighting even at the higher depth buffer setting... # grep Depth XFree86.0.log (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (--) Depth 24

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [PATCH] cleanup of FlighGear and SimGear

2005-10-25 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Dienstag 25 Oktober 2005 21:33, Frederic Bouvier wrote: I am not a big fan of functions that return pointers or references on their current state. That leads to mysterious errors when the object goes out of scope before the pointer or the reference. I think this kind of optimisation is very

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/ATCAIEntity.cxx, 1.12,

2005-10-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Alex Romosan asked Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I attach a diff against CVS - HEAD which I applied to get CVS to compile under Cygwin. It may not be the best or preferred way to do it, but the patch works here, so far as I can see. diff -u -w -b -r1.11 AIFlightPlan.hxx

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/ATCAIEntity.cxx, 1.12,

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Romosan
Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The function in AIFlightPlan.cxx was not defined in AIFlightPlan.hxx so far as the compiler was concerned. It now compiles and runs OK i don't understand. does the cvs version compile or do you still have to make those changes to get it to compile?

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/ATCAIEntity.cxx, 1.12,

2005-10-25 Thread Vivian Meazza
Alex Romosan asked: Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The function in AIFlightPlan.cxx was not defined in AIFlightPlan.hxx so far as the compiler was concerned. It now compiles and runs OK i don't understand. does the cvs version compile or do you still have to make those

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:FlightGear/src/ATCAIEntity.cxx, 1.12,

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Romosan
Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex Romosan asked: Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The function in AIFlightPlan.cxx was not defined in AIFlightPlan.hxx so far as the compiler was concerned. It now compiles and runs OK i don't understand. does the cvs version

[Flightgear-devel] Santa's r[ae]i?ndeer

2005-10-25 Thread Vassilii Khachaturov
Why are the bells commented out in raindeer-sound.xml? They do sound cute. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Driving real instruments.

2005-10-25 Thread Gene Buckle
John Wojnaroski wrote: Dave Martin wrote: Unfortunately my total lack of software development skills and apparent numerical dyslexia would preclude this. That is, unless now or in the future enough people might become interested in doing this (I may not code but I'm quite the engineer when

[Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] cleanup of FlighGear (part ii)

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Romosan
i tried to make sure accessor functions which return by reference act on const objects. also replaced some iterators with const_iterator and a few return/pass by reference that were missed the first time around: Index: src/AIModel/AIAircraft.hxx