Re: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Gerhard Wesp wrote: Hello Dev team, Are there projects using FlightGear as the ``engine'' of a simulator with cockpit mockup, multiple projectors, head down display and and possibly a motion platform? http://flightgear.org/Projects/RayChair/raychair.html http://flightgear.org/Projects/ This would

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread David Megginson
Erik Hofman writes: We have three FDM's of which two of them use windtunnel/flight-test data and one is based on physical dimensions of the aircraft. The latter is a bit less accurate but is easier to design a working aircraft for. To be fair, YASim is not necessarily less accurate,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: Erik Hofman writes: We have three FDM's of which two of them use windtunnel/flight-test data and one is based on physical dimensions of the aircraft. The latter is a bit less accurate but is easier to design a working aircraft for. To be fair, YASim is not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread Gerhard Wesp
http://flightgear.org/Projects/RayChair/raychair.html http://flightgear.org/Projects/ Oops. Should have looked more closely on your homepage. Thanks! We are a bit behind on this part. There is a project called OpenGC that has been working with FlightGear, but I don't know the current

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread Jon Berndt
Yeah, but the windtunnel or flight-test data woudl include the individual coefficients in one single value. This means that if there is data for -180 ... +180 degree AOA and Yaw JSBSim (and UIUC) woudl be more accurate compared to YASim. That said, YASim is realy a good alternative for most

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Gerhard Wesp wrote: http://flightgear.org/Projects/RayChair/raychair.html http://flightgear.org/Projects/ Oops. Should have looked more closely on your homepage. Thanks! We are a bit behind on this part. There is a project called OpenGC that has been working with FlightGear, but I don't know

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread David Megginson
Erik Hofman writes: Yeah, but the windtunnel or flight-test data woudl include the individual coefficients in one single value. This means that if there is data for -180 ... +180 degree AOA and Yaw JSBSim (and UIUC) woudl be more accurate compared to YASim. Not really, because there

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread David Megginson
Gerhard Wesp writes: Does jsbsim also take yaw angle into account (fuselage drag)? I.e., is it possible to perform a slip (haven't had a real chance to try yet due to lack of pedals). For yasim I take it it is possible. Yes. The sideslip angle is called beta, and several coefficients

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread David Megginson
Jon Berndt writes: I can think of a couple of situations where YASim would have advantages - *at*present*: - Calculating any force or moment that is a result of rotational motion while the aircraft is at zero translational velocity. - Clearly, any condition that is not covered by

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread Tony Peden
On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 04:23, Gerhard Wesp wrote: http://flightgear.org/Projects/RayChair/raychair.html http://flightgear.org/Projects/ Oops. Should have looked more closely on your homepage. Thanks! We are a bit behind on this part. There is a project called OpenGC that has been

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread Tony Peden
On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 03:22, David Megginson wrote: Erik Hofman writes: We have three FDM's of which two of them use windtunnel/flight-test data and one is based on physical dimensions of the aircraft. The latter is a bit less accurate but is easier to design a working aircraft for.

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread Tony Peden
On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 04:35, David Megginson wrote: Jon Berndt writes: I can think of a couple of situations where YASim would have advantages - *at*present*: - Calculating any force or moment that is a result of rotational motion while the aircraft is at zero translational

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread Jon Berndt
Note that JSBSim would get all of this for free simply by allowing coefficients to be (optionally) specified for individual surfaces, each with its own orientation. All JSBSim would have to do is sum up the moments and forces (mostly forces) for the collection of surfaces. I think we all

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Gerhard Wesp wrote: http://flightgear.org/Projects/RayChair/raychair.html http://flightgear.org/Projects/ Oops. Should have looked more closely on your homepage. Thanks! This is actually the first time I've looked at this video, but it is quite nice to see FlightGear in action this way:

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread David Megginson
Tony Peden writes: How would we specify the characteristics of each of those surfaces? Do you mean the position/orientation, the shape, or the aerodynamic behaviour? All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread Tony Peden
On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 05:30, David Megginson wrote: Tony Peden writes: How would we specify the characteristics of each of those surfaces? Do you mean the position/orientation, the shape, or the aerodynamic behaviour? The aero behavior. Coefficients are generally apply only to the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Architectural questions

2003-03-20 Thread David Megginson
Tony Peden writes: The aero behavior. Coefficients are generally apply only to the whole and complete aircraft (with the exception of a tail-off model). This means its very hard to split them up arbitrarily. I agree that the information is harder to find, and will require a fair bit of